Group asks states to track citizens’ ammo

Organization claims it is ‘saving lives 1 bullet at a time’

WorldNetDaily | Dec 9, 2008

By Chelsea Schilling

KOMO-TV, Seattle)

Coded bullet (photo: KOMO-TV, Seattle)

Legislation to trace ammunition is pending in several states, and many gun owners are concerned that it is just another attempt by anti-gun groups to violate citizens’ Second Amendment rights.

An organization known as Ammunition Accountability is pushing to make coding technology mandatory across the nation. Its website claims it is a group of “gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more” who are “saving lives one bullet at a time.”

If states pass the legislation, manufacturers will be required to laser etch a serial number into the back of each bullet and the inside of cartridge casings, a patented process developed by Seattle, Wash., resident Russ Ford and his business partners, Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker.

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According to Seattle Weekly, the men couldn’t find an ammunition manufacturer to agree to stamp bullets, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state legislation to require the laser coding. They launched the Ammunition Accountability website and successfully introduced bills in the following 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.

Many of the proposals have died or stalled in committee; however the group is still urging lawmakers across the country to introduce the same kind of legislation in other states.

Ammunition Accountability explains its system would require states to establish databases to track coded ammunition for handguns and assault rifles. The databases would be funded by a surcharge of up to five cents per bullet.

According to its sample legislation, manufacturers would be forced to code all ammunition sold in the state. Private citizens and retail outlets would be required to dispose of all non-coded ammunition no later than Jan. 1, 2011.

Each vendor would record the following information about customers who buy the ammunition: Date, name, driver’s license or ID number, date of birth and ammunition identifier. The businesses would maintain records for three years from the date of purchase.

“[W]hen a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database,” Ammunition Accountability explains. “When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead.”

However, critics claim the system is severely flawed.

The National Rifle Association warns encoding ammunition would result in forfeiture of currently owned ammunition, separate registration for every box of ammo, outrageously expensive costs for police and private citizens and wasted taxpayer money that could be spent on traditional police programs.

The NRA also suggests private citizens could be required to keep records on anyone who uses or buys their ammunition – even family members and friends. Furthermore, it said lawbreakers could find ways to prevent their bullets from being traced.

“Criminals could beat the system,” the NRA claims. “A large percentage of criminals’ ammunition (and guns) is stolen. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.”

Some bloggers suggested criminals could simply modify their own rounds by removing the coding before firing them.

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15 responses to “Group asks states to track citizens’ ammo

  1. Ammo tracking devices, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov’t. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
    They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
    They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
    They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
    They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
    They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
    Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.
    Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov’t and drops the title):
    http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000083883

  2. The first thing that comes to mind is BS.
    Criminals want gun control laws, so that people can’t protect themselves.
    Law enforcement can’t protect you, they can only take notes after the fact.
    Wake-up people, take some responsibility for your own lives.
    Criminals don’t go out and legally buy guns to commit crimes

  3. Criminals are the only people that would not be affected by this system. Criminals use stolen/black market guns and stolen/black market ammo. This would not save ANY lives. It doesn’t keep bullets from going into people’s bodies. The only people who would benefit from this scheme are Russ Ford and his business partners.

  4. Here’s more stupidity that is being pushed by a group that stands to gain millions on its adoption.
    This is such an old topic and I do not give a rats ass what laws are passed regarding guns/ammo,I will not comply any longer with this criminal government.

  5. Kiss my ass!

  6. “the men couldn’t find an ammunition manufacturer to agree to stamp bullets, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state legislation to require the laser coding.”

    Is this new America invent a new device the vast majority of the people don’t want then hired a scum bag lobbist to force it down people throat. These two clowns should be brought up on treason charges.

  7. Freeman, now yer talkin. And we can go right down the line from Bush and Obama on down, a long ways down.

  8. The only lives that will be saved are those of the concentration camp guards once the American people are disarmed and then herded into extermination camps like cattle. Check out the $400 million no-bid Halliburton project to create over 40 new detention centers around the country.

  9. I have a good idea-let`s lock and load and use Mr. Ford and Mr. Mace and Mr. Knickerbocker as targets!

    That`s what I call doing your part to defend the Constitution of the United States.

    What Country am I in? The USSA?

  10. The Constitution is dead!!! Get used to this sort of thing. The Tree of Liberty is probably parched.

  11. Too bad the infamous Judas Goat Bill Ruger is dead.

    If living he’d no doubt be happy to push this through just as he was to sell out on the phony assault weapons and magazine ban. (Ruger doesn’t manufacture ammo, and Bill supported the gun ban after the Ruger Mini 14 was exempted from the ban. So, no down side for him and a chance to kiss up to gun grabbers? He’d probably jump at the chance!)

  12. hey houndhawg: whey don’t you get over the bill ruger thing already, mmmkay? move on. he’s dead, everyone knows his position, time to join us here in the year 2008. don’t you have ANYTHING else to bitch about, you sorry redneck fuk?

  13. haha…oh yes…2nd amendment…ahhh, reminds me of all the stories my grandpa told me about the days when americans had it…makes me feel all cozy inside. FUCK THE US GOVERNMENT! GRAB YOUR GUNS AND SHOW THEM WHO’S CALLING THE SHOTS WHILE WE STILL CAN!

  14. this bill is stupid, why don’t they stop misspending our money and stop raising our taxes for their mistakes, haaa?

  15. It’s no mistake. They want to disarm the citizenry and that is that.

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