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Bush urges European unity against Iran after meeting with pope

A Vatican statement said the two discussed the “defence of fundamental moral values”, as well as the Middle East and globalisation.

La Repubblica newspaper said not everyone in the Vatican was happy to see Benedict giving Bush special treatment.

Reuters  | Jun 13, 2008

By Jeremy Pelofsky and Matt Spetalnick

PARIS (Reuters) – U.S. President George W. Bush urged European allies on Friday to unite with Washington to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Bush was in Paris as part of his European farewell tour aimed at convincing allies to tighten sanctions on Iran if it refuses to accept incentives to stop enriching uranium, which the West worries could be used for nuclear bombs.

“Instead of dwelling on our differences, we are increasingly united in our interests and ideals,” Bush said at the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.

“For the security of Europe and for the peace of the world, we must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.”

Condemned by many Europeans for the war in Iraq, Bush is seeking a diplomatic solution to a standoff with Tehran over its nuclear energy programme while also making it clear that military options remain on the table.

In Tehran, leading cleric Ayatollah Mohammed Emami-Kashani, accused Bush and the United States of “setting the whole world on fire” with his campaign about Iran.

“What Iran is doing is merely scientific and economic work. What Iran is doing has got only industrial and peaceful purposes,” he said at Friday prayers broadcast on state radio.

Taking a brief break from his campaign to rally European support for sanctions against Iran, Bush held 30 minutes of private talks with Pope Benedict in the tranquillity of the Vatican Gardens earlier on Friday.


Bush’s meeting with the pope was the first time the pontiff hosted a visiting head of state elsewhere than in his private study. It was meant to repay Bush for the warm White House lawn reception the pope got in April on his 81st birthday.

Security around the Vatican was tight, with police lining the streets, anti-terrorist sharpshooters in nearby buildings and even secondary streets closed off in case Bush had to leave the area in an emergency via an alternative route.

Benedict’s predecessor John Paul II had a led a campaign against the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, but the president and the new pontiff see eye-to-eye on many moral issues, such as abortion, gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research.

A Vatican statement said the two discussed the “defence of fundamental moral values”, as well as the Middle East and a commitment to peace in the Holy Land, globalisation, and the world food crisis.

La Repubblica newspaper said not everyone in the Vatican was happy to see Benedict giving Bush special treatment. It quoted unnamed monsignors recalling that Bush did not heed the late John Paul’s warnings against invading Iraq.

One Vatican official close to the pope told Reuters early on Friday: “The pope is doing this because he is a gentleman. That’s the long and short of it.”

Later on Friday, Bush and his wife Laura were to dine with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife, model turned singer Carla Bruni-Sarkozy. To round off his tour, Bush will meet with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown on Sunday.

Kids set for ‘Matrix’ future

“It’s a very short route from wireless technology to actually getting the electrical connections in your brain to absorb that knowledge”

– Chris Parry, Independent Schools Council

Mr Parry, a former Rear Admiral, spent three years determining the future strategic context for the military in a senior role at the Ministry of Defence.

ITN | May 30, 2008

Children will learn by downloading information directly into their brains within 30 years, an education expert has predicted.

Chris Parry, the new chief executive of the Independent Schools Council, said “Matrix-style” technology would render traditional lessons obsolete.

He said: “It’s a very short route from wireless technology to actually getting the electrical connections in your brain to absorb that knowledge.”
Mr Parry, a former Rear Admiral, spent three years determining the future strategic context for the military in a senior role at the Ministry of Defence.

He said the Keanu Reeves thriller may not look like science fiction in 30 years’ time.

“Within 30 years, sitting down and learning something will be a thing of the past,” Mr Parry said.

“I think people will be able to directly access, Matrix-style, all the vocabulary you need for a foreign language, leaving you just to clear up the grammar.”

Mr Parry is now preparing the ISC’s 1,300 private schools, which collectively teach half a million children, for a high-tech future.

Libertarians pick former Rep. Bob Barr as presidential nominee

Jeri Dobbin, left, looks on as her husband former Republican congressman Bob Barr accepts the Libertarian Presidential nomination at the Libertarian National Convention, Sunday, May 25, 2008 in Denver. The Libertarian Party picked former Republican congressman from Georgia to be its presidential candidate after six rounds of balloting.


DENVER – The Libertarian Party Sunday picked former Republican Congressman Bob Barr of Georgia as its presidential candidate, a move that could attract some conservatives turned off by the Republican Party.

“My approach is to reach every single voter we can,” Barr said after winning the nomination.

He said his message would be to “get the government out of their pocketbook, out of their homes, out of their schools.” He also proposes to bring U.S. troops home from Iraq and from around the world.

Barr was the best known of 14 candidates for the nomination, his fame earned during three terms in Congress when he helped lead the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton for lying to conceal an affair. Supporters hoped that fame would help him draw more news media attention and increase the party’s fall vote.

In recent years, he soured on the Republican Party, shifting course to oppose the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act and suspension of civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism, and the rapid rise in domestic government spending.

Barr insisted he’s not a spoiler just hoping to hurt Republican John McCain in close contests, as critics accuse Ralph Nader of doing to Democrat Al Gore in Florida in 2000. “I’m in this to win,” he said.

Yet the party now is on the ballot only in 28 states and gathering petitions in another 20. Party insiders concede that they’re unlikely to get on the ballot in Oklahoma and West Virginia because the laws there are so restrictive.

The Libertarian Party, founded in 1971, yearns to break the million vote mark. The closest it’s come was in 1980, when nominee Ed Clark was on the ballot in all 50 states and won 921,000 votes.

Libertarians lost what might have been their best shot at cracking the million vote level when Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, declined their invitation to seek the nomination.

Paul, who was the Libertarian presidential candidate in 1988, instead ran for the Republican nomination this year. He tapped into a deep reservoir of support in the Republican Party, raised millions of dollars, and continues to turn out committed supporters.

Though he failed to win a primary, he opted to remain in the party and will try to make a strong statement at the Republican National Convention in Minnesota.

Barr was challenged by many longtime Libertarians as an outsider who only quit the Republican Party and joined theirs two years ago.

It took him six ballots to win the nomination against an eclectic group that included former Democratic Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska as well as a Las Vegas oddsmaker and a California cancer patient who credits his survival to marijuana.

His primary opposition came from Mary Ruwart, a longtime Libertarian activist and candidate from Texas who so opposes government that she once wrote that the government should not even regulate child pornography.

“Children who willingly participate in sexual acts have the right to make that decision as well, even if it’s distasteful to us personally,” she wrote in a book on her Libertarian philosophy.

“Some children will make poor choices just as some adults do in smoking and drinking to excess.” When we outlaw child pornography, the prices paid for child performers rise, increasing the incentives for parents to use children against their will.”

Secretive Freemasons in midst of popularity, membership boom


From left, Zulu, Jonathan Kanarek and Daemon Hillin are representative of a new wave of Freemasons that’s stamping a younger, hipper profile on the centuries-old fraternity.

The secretive society gains a higher, hipper profile as younger men seek out a place for fraternal bonding.

Los Angeles Times | May 18, 2008

By Adam Tschorn

IN LOS FELIZ, across from a 7-Eleven on North Vermont Avenue, a few dozen men in their early 20s to late 80s share a dinner behind closed doors. Some wear full tuxedos with bow ties and jeweled cuff links, some have shoulder-length hair, and others wear open-collared shirts that reveal the slightest filigree of tattoo arching across their chests.

Over Italian food, retired lawyers and judges sit elbow-to-elbow with owners of scrap metal yards and vintage clothing boutiques. They hold forth on philosophy, the weather; they rib each other and joke about saving room for cannoli. As they reach for seconds, they reveal skull-cracking rings emblazoned with a compass and a square.


After becoming a Master Mason (the term used for a new member who has completed all levels of study), Zulu went on to become a Scottish Rite Mason and a Shriner — both fraternal organizations that hold Masonic membership as a prerequisite. Here he wears his Shriner’s fez, his Master Mason’s apron and his daily wardrobe of French-cuffed shirts, pinstripe trousers, a shawl-collared silk brocade vest and a vintage watch chain circa 1895.

Meet the millennial Masons. As secret societies go, it is one of the oldest and most famous. Its enrollment roster includes Louis Armstrong and Gerald Ford, and it has been depicted in movies such as “The Da Vinci Code” and “National Treasure.” Once more than 4 million strong (back in the 1950s), it has been in something of a popularity free-fall ever since. Viewed with suspicion as a bastion of antiquated values and forced camaraderie, the Masons have seen membership rolls plummet more than 60% to just 1.5 million in 2006.


The 38th U.S. president was the most recent Mason to occupy the Oval Office. In his younger days he was a male model, once appearing on the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine.

Only now the trend seems to be reversing itself, and nowhere more noticeably than in Southern California. The reasons seem clear. In another Masonic Hall, this one on La Cienega, a Sri Lankan-born banker, a sunglasses-wearing Russian immigrant and a continent-hopping Frenchman break bread, poke at their salads and chat about their health.

“For a time it looked as if Masonry was going into a sharp decline, if not the death throes,” said UCLA history professor Margaret C. Jacob, who has written extensively about the fraternal order. “But it looks like it may be making a comeback.”


New or old, one hallmark of Freemasonry fashion is a penchant for rings, usually in a precious metal and bearing a version of the square and compass logo. Here Zulu, left, Jonathan Kanarek and Daemon Hillin show off their Masonic bling.


In addition to his Masonic ring and several tattoos with Masonic motifs, Zulu also sports a skull ring and carries a skull-topped walking stick.

That’s because the Freemasons, whose tenets forbid soliciting or recruiting members, have enthusiastically embraced the Internet as a way to leverage curiosity about an organization with its roots in Europe’s medieval stonemasons guilds. Freemasonry today sees itself as a thinking man’s salon, a learned society with a philanthropic bent.

“We had a record number of new members last year,” said Allan Casalou, grand secretary of the Grand Lodge of California. “We added 2,000 men, which is the most since 1998 and our seventh straight year of membership increases.”

And, to paraphrase that Oldsmobile campaign, these definitely aren’t your father’s Freemasons. They are bar owners, male models and olive-oil brokers. They are men like Zulu, an L.A. tattoo artist with a swirling Maori-inspired design inked across his face and a panoply of metal piercing his ears, nose and face. They are men like Jonathan Kanarek, who runs a men’s vintage clothing store on Hollywood Boulevard and whose retro chic wardrobe of polka-dot ascots, glen-plaid jackets and smartly pressed pocket squares earned him a spot on Esquire magazine’s 2007 list of best-dressed real men in America. And they are men like Daemon Hillin, whose surfer-dude looks and blinding white smile can be found on Japanese TV, where he plays sidekick and comic foil to the Japanese version of the Hilton sisters.

They are also all men who want to be part of an all-for-one and one-for-all brotherhood built on shared ideals, philosophical pursuits and a penchant for rings, aprons and funny hats. As Zulu bluntly put it: “I joined because I was looking for people to hang with that were like-minded but also hip and cool, and a lot of tattoo artists tend to be drunks and druggies.”

Hillin, who originally joined the Masons in Temecula, moved to L.A. and is interested in the Santa Monica-Palisades Lodge No. 307, one of the youngest and most diverse congregations in the state (the average age of active brothers is just 33). The lodge’s senior deacon, Jim Warren, calls it ” ‘Star Trek’ without the chicks.” “We have every possible national origin, ethnicity and religious denomination you could imagine,” he said.

Warren credits the Internet. “We were one the first lodges in the state to have a website up,” he said. “That led to a huge spike in membership.”

Other lodges followed suit, putting up their own sites and drawing a crowd. That’s how prospective Mason Johnny Royal ended up at the door of Elysian Lodge No. 418 last month. Intrigued by the distinctive Masonic architecture that graces most halls, the 31-year-old publicist with sideburns to his chin and hair to his shoulders and a Renaissance lute player tattoo on his right forearm hit the Web.

What he read about the Masonic ideals — wisdom, strength, beauty and the pursuit of knowledge — made him decide to pursue membership. “My generation wants to be part of something beyond itself,” Royal said. “I want to learn; I want to participate.”

The Web generation

THE INTERNET hasn’t only made it easier to learn about the Freemasons, Casalou says, it’s changed the type of men coming forward. “There is so much information on the Internet that by the time someone comes to a lodge to seek membership, they already know a lot about Masonry,” he said. “Which is a big departure from previous generations. And it means they are more likely to be active participants.”

Zulu became curious about Freemasonry after tattooing Masonic symbology on several clients. He joined five years ago at age 39 and now serves as webmaster and senior warden of North Hollywood Lodge No. 542. He has also gone on to become both a Scottish Rite Mason and Shriner (Masonic membership is a prerequisite for both), and next year he will become the leader of his lodge. “I’ll be the first black worshipful master in the lodge’s history,” he said, using the proper term of respect.

But he probably won’t be the last. Because California’s contingent of Freemasons is expected to grow, the average age of its members, once 71 and now 65, is expected to drop. By 2018, as Casalou predicts, the state will be awash in 55-year-old pre-retirement Masons giving each other secret handshakes, wearing ritual aprons and invoking the Grand Architect of the Universe.

The Internet continues to help. Zulu said that he gets at least four e-mails a week from prospective Masons around the globe who see his tattooed and pierced visage at the lodge website and want to be reassured such an alternative look isn’t a barrier to membership.

“Yeah, I think it’s going to become hip and chic to be a Mason,” Zulu said. “And that could be a dangerous thing.”


Jay-Z Caught Using Secret Handshake

The “CEO of Hip Hop” Jay-Z, a Freemason, no doubt

State Senator Proposes Mini-Cameras for NYPD Handguns


Cameras Could Record Police-Involved Shootings

Fox News | May 12, 2008

MYFOXNY.COM — A state senator in New York who is also a former New York City police officer has proposed putting mini-cameras on police handguns to help resolve contested police-involved shootings, such as those in the cases of Sean Bell (killed in 2006 in a hail of 50 shots) and Amadou Diallo (killed in 1999 in a barrage of 41 shots). Both men were apparently unarmed.

Sen. Eric Adams, a Brooklyn Democrat, is seeking support for the cameras, which would cost $695 each. He said New York would be the first to mandate the cameras. The Newburgh, N.Y., police department is currently testing the pistol cameras.

The camera, called the PistolCam, would follow the gun barrel’s movement and include a laser targeting pointer and a light. It can record up to 60 minutes of digital video and sound, according to the company’s Web site.

The camera and lights would start just over a second after the officer pulls the handgun from the holster. The cop could turn off the light, but the camera and optional audio recording would continue.

The New York City Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the union that represents uniformed police officers of the NYPD, had no immediate comment.

In 2006, Adams retired from the NYPD as a captain. He is also the co-founder of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care, a group of law enforcement personnel and supporters who provide funding and grants to community-based organizations.

World Leaders Meet In Secret at Bilderberg 2008 – Plan the End of the Free World

Bilderberg 2008 Evades All Scrutiny in Vouliagmeni, Greece | May 13, 2008

by Tony Gosling

Well the old tricksters did it this year. They evaded all our efforts to track them down to a precise date and venue. There has been a lot of Bilderberg searching activity on the forum:

including examination of bilderbergers’ schedules, checking of hotels but no 100% definite answer.

Whilst I had been displaying this at the top of the front page as a possible venue and date for a week or so Bilderberg researchers such as Marek Tysis, Jim Tucker and myself simply did not have enough hard facts to pin them down beforehand.

The trouble is that this year particularly all the key Bilderberg people have been keeping very quiet about their future plans. In past years they have been relatively open about where they were planning to be and it’s then quite a simple matter to identify gaps in the schedules of, say the boss of the European Central Bank and the Queen of the Netherlands, that coincide.

Marek Tysis believed, rightly as it transpired, that it would be in Vouliagmeni, Greece in one of the first two weekends of May. What they were talking about we may never know. Let’s hope at least SOMEBODY who realises that these people are where war and money meets and far too close to the Nazis (through Prince Bernhard and the occult connections particularly) has got some leaks.

What are they planning for us this year then? We might guess that Henry Kissinger has had problems with his War on Terror because nobody is believing it is anything other than a US, Israeli and British grab for empire. A continuation of Hitler’s diseased dream of an occult empire to rival the extent of the old British Empire and Commonwealth and all the psychological pressure is now being piled on Gordon Brown who is not playing ball with the Bilderbergers’ fascistic ‘consensus’.

There is not a lot of doubt in my mind that the immense power that Bilderberg wields is ultimately satanic. One could pick a random homeless tramp on the streets of London to preside over such a conference you would get more common sense in his little finger than all the Bilderberg Steering committee have in their collective greedy bodies.

Maybe that is what is needed. A jubilee of renewal to remove these despots and their freemasonic underlings from the committees that select candidates for the political parties.

What seemed a real political hope in the UK, the Liberal Democrat Party has somehow got itself a City of London stooge, Nick Clegg, in charge now so has made itself unelectable just a the time when it could have swept to power because of voter hatred of both Labour and Tory parties.

Israel too is ‘celebrating’ 60 years of existence and as such 60 years of terrorism, horror and hatred of the arabs. The Jewish people don’t want it but what can they do with a fanatical far right Zionist government there. Jews are in exactly the same bind as the rest of us. Democracy has been stealthily and deliberately undermined in Israel just as in the US and Britain and Europe by Secret Societies operating within the ‘cover’ of freemasonry.

The Beijing Olympics looming appears something like the Berlin Olympics of 1936. A derisory show of male and female machismo with a few who will be this year’s Jesse Owens?

So Bilderberg may have been successful in stopping scrutiny of themselves this year, no participant list, nothing whatsoever has emerged. And that bodes extremely ill for the coming Summer and Autumn. Whatever bloodcurdling warstarting event, whether or not connected with the Beijing Olympics, and whether or not leading to a global crash which will make a few people very very rich, you can be sure they will be in the know. Which means that Bilderberg is culpable, there’s a lot of bucks riding on this. That is why they do everything they can, with their limitless supply of money, to keep these meetings out of the public eye.

What we need of course is a united front such as that which has formed in South America, probably because they have been the subject of so much evil and illegal US interference. A united front based on a media free of racist Zionist moles and on an understanding of the true facts behind 9/11 which kicked off all this ‘War on Resistance Fighters’ madness. It really is as if the war is against the plucky partisans and leaders of the French Resistance to Nazi occupation.

So it doesn’t take a lot of imagination, once you’ve joined the Nazi dots, to see where Henry Kissinger and Bilderberg are coming from. His present company, Kissinger Associates, is the biggest protection racket on the planet and the UN eats out of its hands, that means the UN Charter and the Geneva Conventions have been torn to pieces by these people, paving the way for mass slaughter and maybe a little more power. Kissinger gets kudos from his impunity and Rockefeller, Rothschild and his financial backers and other underground friends are egged on to further madness by our gullibility. Then their is their love of Eugenics, what more proof do we need? How much more can we forget?

They want a more subtly spun global version of what Hitler had in the early 1940s and they are not going to get it because the human spirit will not have it. But they are so greedy and determined, indeed psychopathic in their goal, that they would rather pull our whole beautiful God-given world down around our heads than allow us to be the free people we were made to be. The real solutions to the problem of wage slavery, poverty, are so simple as to be almost obvious. Land reform and money reform, putting land back into the hands of those who need it as a ree gift to mankind. Taking the power to issue money out of private corporate hands.

Gary Hart Warns of False Flag Attack, Lies About New World Order

Hart hails a “New World of globalization, eroding national sovereignty and a revolutionary changes in warfare.”

Why Is Gary Hart So Fearful Of Discussing His “New World Order”?

Prison Planet | Apr 30, 2008

CFR member contradictory, deceitful about context of term – ex-Senator repeats warning that Neo-Cons looking to stage incident as pretext to attack Iran

by Paul Joseph Watson

Note the black inverted pentagram behind him on the Democratic Leadership poster – PW

Former Senator Gary Hart seems to be having difficulties remembering his last lie because he fouled up again in his latest confrontation with We Are Change by reversing his assertion that he never used the term “new world order,” contradicting his previous falsehood, but still seemed fearful of discussing exactly what the term meant.

In the clip, Luke Rudkowski quotes Hart’s response to 9/11 at a September 12th Council on Foreign Relations in which he called for the disaster to be used to “make lemonade out of lemons” and create a “new world order”.

Hart lies by claiming the term was only used to highlight right-wing hostility to the phrase “new world order” which is completely false as you will see later and he also contradicts his previous response to the question in which he claimed to have never used the phrase “new world order” in his life.

Seemingly wary of the fact that a lot of people know exactly what “new world order” means now (global government, loss of sovereignty and individual liberty), Hart is frightened of admitting to using the phrase and refuses to discuss its meaning.

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Fox News commentators agree: DC Madam’s “Suicide” Very Suspicious

Was the DC Madam murdered to protect high officials in the US Government? Four out of four commentors on Fox News seem to agree.

Fox News: Alex Jones on DC Madam Palfrey’s Murder

Clinton-Obama camps vow to unite in the fall


Bush says Clinton will be Dem nominee

Gingrich predicts Clinton-Obama ticket


UPI | Apr 27, 2008

WASHINGTON, April 27 (UPI) — Campaign officials for U.S. Democratic presidential rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton said Sunday their party will unite against the GOP this fall.

Speaking on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Howard Wolfson of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign said he thinks the primary season battle between Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama “has been great” for the party.

Regardless of the outcome, he said, “we’re going to come together as a party, we’re going to go behind whoever is the nominee, and we’re going to do everything we can to elect that person because the stakes are that high.”

David Axelrod of the Obama campaign agreed.

“We understand that the continuation of these Republican policies would be disastrous for people across Indiana, across North Carolina, who are sitting there this morning, watching this program and going through their bills and wondering how they’re going to pay them and know that we can’t afford more of the same Bush economic policies,” Axelrod said.

Both said they will tout the qualities they believe make their candidate the stronger of the two Democrats against the presumptive Republican nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.

Hillary would “totally obliterate” Iran if Israel is attacked


On the eve of the Pennsylvania primary, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., tells “Good Morning America” she would “obliterate” Iran if they attacked Israel. (AP/ABC News)

Clinton on Iran Attack: ‘Obliterate Them’

ABC | Apr 21, 2008

Hillary: If Iran Attacked Israel With Nukes ‘We Would Be Able to Totally Obliterate Them’


One day before Pennsylvania primary voters go to the polls, Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and Barack Obama, D-Ill., spent the day trying to reach undecided voters, and rally their supporters to the polls.

For the last six weeks they have battled and bickered and both have unleashed a barrage of negativity in television ads that have aired thousands of times in the state.

Clinton Ad Features Osama bin Laden

In an ad that began airing in Pennsylvania Monday morning, Clinton implies she is tougher than Obama.

“Who do you think has what it takes?” the narrator asks in an ad depicting historical images of crises that presidents have had to deal with: Osama bin Laden, headlines about the stock market crash of 1929, long gas lines from the 1970s oil-shocks, images of the Cold War, Hurricane Katrina and soldiers. It features the first image of Osama bin Laden to be used in a TV ad this political season.

“It’s the toughest job in the world,” says the ad’s narrator. “You need to be ready for anything — especially now, with two wars, oil prices skyrocketing and an economy in crisis.”

The ad quotes President Harry Truman’s famous line: “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen,” — to cast Obama as complaining about last week’s ABC News presidential debate.

Responding to the ad, Obama spokesman Bill Burton accused the New York senator of engaging in scare tactics.

Clinton on an Iran Attack: ‘Obliterate Them’

Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on “Good Morning America” Tuesday. ABC News’ Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,” Clinton said. “In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

Watch the full interview with Sen. Hillary Clinton on “GMA” Tuesday.

Obama, for his part, has to be worried about obliterating his repeated promise of a “new kind of politics.” But he told ABC News’ Robin Roberts on “Good Morning America” his attacks are necessary.

“You’ve always got to measure if somebody throws an elbow at you, and after three or four times of gettin’ elbows in the ribs, you know, at what point do you sort of say, ‘OK, you know, we, we, we’ve gotta put a stop to that’?” Obama said.