North American Union driver’s license created

Logo intended to standardize documentation across continent

WorldNetDaily.com | Sep 6, 2007

New security logo on the reverse of North Carolina’s driver’s licenses

By Jerome R. Corsi

The first “North American Union” driver’s license, complete with a hologram of the North American continent on the reverse, has been created in the state of North Carolina.

“The North Carolina driver’s license is ‘North American Union’ ready,” charges William Gheen, who serves as president of Americans for Legal Immigration.

Gheen provided WND with a photo of an actual North Carolina license which clearly shows the hologram of the North American continent embedded on the reverse.

“The hologram looks exactly [like] the map of North America that is used as the background for the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America logo on the SPP website,” Gheen told WND. “I object to the loss of sovereignty that is proceeding under the agreements being made by these unelected government bureaucrats who think we should be North American instead of the United States of America.”

“To protest, I don’t plan on applying for a North Carolina driver’s license,” Gheen told WND, “even though I am a resident of the state. I don’t see how a Division of Motor Vehicles authorized in a Department of Transportation of a state of the United States can force me to have a license place that is designed with a North American Union insignia printed on the backside.”

“My decision not to get a North Carolina driver’s license could have very difficult consequences for me,” Gheen told WND. “Without a valid driver’s license, I may not be able to drive a car, fly on an airplane, or enter a government building.”

Gheen told WND he does not have a U.S. passport.

In 2005, WND reported North Carolina was the state where illegal immigrants go to get a driver’s license, with busloads of aliens traveling south on I-95 to get an easy ID.

The Tar Heel State’s requirements to obtain a license are weaker than those of many surrounding states.

Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver’s licenses.

“It’s a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver’s license in North America,” Howell told WND.

Howell explained the hologram of the North American continent was the creation of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization that, according to the group’s website, “develops model programs in motor vehicle administration, law enforcement and highway safety.”

Founded in 1933, AAMVA represents state and provincial officials in the United States and Canada who administer and enforce motor vehicle laws. The government of Mexico is also a member, though the individual Mexican states have yet to join.

According to the group’s website, AAMVA’s programs are designed “to encourage uniformity and reciprocity among the states and provinces.”

“The goal of the North American hologram,” Howell explained, “is to get one common element that law enforcement throughout the continent can look at on all driver’s licenses and tell that the driver’s license is an official document.”

Jason King, spokesman for AAMVA, affirmed the North American hologram was created by AAMVA’s Uniform Identification Subcommittee, a working group of AAMVA members.

He explained the goal is to create a continental security device that could be used by state and provincial motor vehicles agencies throughout North America, including the United States, Canada and Mexico.

King referenced a document on the AAMVA website that describes guidelines for using the North America continent hologram as an Optical Variable Device (OVD) that AAMVA has now licensed with private manufacturers to produce.

AAMVA supplies member motor vehicle agencies with a quantity of North American continent hologram OVD foils to use on their driver’s licenses and ID cards as needed.

As the guidelines document on the AAMVA explains, each North American continental hologram OVD foil is embedded with a unique set of control numbers that permit law enforcement electronic scanners to identify the exact jurisdiction and precise individual authorized to hold a driver’s license or ID card with that particular OVD foil embedded.

“AAMVA understands its unique positioning and the continuing role identification security will play in helping the general public realize a safer North America,” King explained to WND in an e-mail. “The association believes ID security will help increase national security, increase highway safety, reduce fraud and system abuse, increase efficiency and effectiveness, and achieve uniformity of processes and practices.”

Jim Palmer, press director for ALIPAC, told WND that ALIPAC first became aware of the hologram when Missouri State Rep. Jim Guest held a seminar in North Carolina to protest the Real ID law.

“The surprise came at a meeting on the Real ID that Palmer held in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Saturday, July 28,” Palmer told WND.

“When Rep. Guest asked participants to take out their driver’s license and see what was on it,” Palmer explained, “one gentleman was a state employee and on his license there was this hologram with the North American continent on the back. We were all surprised to see that on a North Carolina driver’s license. Right there, that stopped the show.”

Guest has formed a coalition called Legislators Against Real ID Act, or LARI.

“I was astonished when I saw that North American hologram on the North Carolina driver’s license,” Guest told WND. “I thought to myself that the state DMV has already included this North American symbol on the back of the driver’s license without telling the people of North Carolina they were going to do this.”

“I thought right then that this was going to be the prototype for the driver’s license of the North American Union,” Guest told WND.

“When we called the North Carolina DMV, they hedged at first,” Guest said, “but finally they admitted that, yes, there was a North American continent hologram on the back of the license.”

“This is part of a plan by bureaucrats and trade groups that act like bureaucrats to little by little transform us into a North American Union without any vote being taken and without explaining to the U.S. public what they are doing,” Guest argued.

King explained AAMVA’s Uniform Identification Subcommittee created a number of task forces, including the Card Design Specification that developed the North America continent hologram OVD.

“The Task Group surveyed and met with many stakeholders during the development effort,” King wrote to WND. “The Task Force gathered information from government and non-government users of the driver’s License/ID card to determine their uses for the DL/ID card and how they believe the card should function. In addition, the Task Group surveyed and met with industry experts in the area of card production and security to gather their advice, especially about the physical security of the card.”

King told WND the Task Group work was repeatedly reviewed by the UID Subcommittee as a whole, with final approval coming from the AAMVA Board.

In 2006, WND reported Pastor Rios Sanchez, 55, an illegal alien, was accused of killing three people, including two North Carolina State University students and a 26-year-old, while driving drunk.

“People who think the Real ID was created to keep illegal aliens from getting driver’s licenses and IDs should come to North Carolina,” Gheen told WND. “What the North Carolina DMV is doing is creating the basis for a continental driver’s license.”

“What difference does it make to North Carolina if an illegal alien gets a driver’s license?” Gheen asked. “The photo on the license creates a close face scan that can be identified by face recognition technology, whether the DMV admits it or not.”

“Illegal aliens who get driver’s licenses are just being scanned in advance,” Gheen concluded.

“Illegal aliens who get driver’s licenses or IDs in North Carolina are just being prepared for their admission into the North America Union driver pool that North Carolina is at the vanguard of creating,” Gheen said. “That is the truth, whether the North Carolina DMV or the AAMVA want to admit it or not.”

King told WND North Carolina is the first AAMVA member jurisdiction to use the North America continent hologram on a driver’s license or ID card.

China Expands Military Training for Children

Newsmax | Sep 2, 2007

China has greatly expanded a youth military training program and will provide compulsory training this year to 50 million children as young as 9 years of age, an exclusive USA Today investigation reveals.

The training takes place at camps run by the People’s Liberation Army and is aimed at promoting teamwork and sacrifice in boys and girls from age 9 to 18, who for the most have been growing up without siblings due to China’s one-child limit for couples.

The program is cloaked in secrecy. A military official confiscated a USA Today reporter’s camera when the journalist visited a training camp in the city of Wenzhou. Young people in the camps are taught self-defense and study advanced weaponry, including American Black Hawk helicopters and aircraft carriers, USA Today reports.

College students began receiving mandatory military training in the mid-1980s, and state-run camps for teens and pre-teens were first established in 2001. The program was expanded dramatically this year.

Because of the one-child policy, most Chinese young people have six adults – two parents and two sets of grandparents – doting on them.

The training program is designed not so much to impart military know-how as to provide an experience that “will help prevent these children from being too selfish and conceited as their parents spoil them,” child psychologist Liu Zhe of the Beijing Institute of Medical Psychology told USA Today.

But the expansion of the youth training program is another move that has raised concerns in the U.S. about China’s military and plans for the future:

China’s military spending rose 17.8 percent this year, the largest annual increase in more than a decade.

The budget for China’s 2.3 million-man army – the largest standing army in the world – is officially $45 billion. But in June, Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, and the Pentagon charged that China was intentionally understating its military spending, and Skelton said the actual figure was between $85 billion and $125 billion.

China only recently agreed to provide basic information about its military budget and weapons purchases to the United Nations after declining to do so for more than a decade.

The Pentagon said this week that computer hackers gained access to an e-mail system in the office of Defense Secretary Robert Gates. The report came after the Financial Times newspaper quoted officials as saying that Chinese army hackers broke into a Defense Department network in June and removed data.

The German magazine Der Spiegel recently reported that Chinese hackers had also invaded computers at four German ministries, infecting them with spy programs. German officials reportedly believed the hackers could be associated with the People’s Liberation Army.

A report from the Defense Intelligence Agency disclosed that the Chinese army was operating more than 2,000 front companies inside the U.S. as of early 2002. One such company, China United Airlines, is actually owned by the People’s Liberation Army Air Force.

A Pentagon report in 2004 cited China as a major threat to U.S. national security, and noted that China’s growing military capability and predatory economic policy is aimed directly at the U.S.

According to a June report in the Washington Times, China is supplying the Taliban with advanced weapons, including surface-to-air missiles, to be used to kill Americans.

Food additives make children behave badly

The Times | Sep 6, 2007

by Valerie Elliott

Britain’s food watchdog is warning all parents today of a clear link between additives and hyperactive behaviour in children.

Research for the Food Standards Agency (FSA) and published in The Lancet has established the “deleterious effects” of taking a mixture of artifical extras that are added to drinks, sweets and processed foods. It has led the FSA to issue the advice to parents who believe their children to be hyperactive that they should cut out foods containing the E numbers analysed in the study.

Scientists from the University of Southampton, who carried out research on three-year-old and eight-year-old children, believe that their findings could have a “substantial” impact on the regulation of food additives in Britain. But the FSA has been accused of missing an opportunity to protect children and all consumers by failing to impose a deadline on manufacturers to remove additives such as Sunshine Yellow and Tartrazine from their products.

In the biggest study of its kind the researchers recorded the responses of 153 three-year-olds and 144 eight to nine-year-olds to different drinks. None suffered from a hyperactivity disorder.

The children drank a mix of additives that reflected the average daily additive intake of a British child. The mixture was not a product currently on sale.

After consuming the drinks – a cocktail of controversial E numbers and the preservative sodium benzoate – the children were found to become boisterous and lose concentration. They were unable to play with one toy or complete one task, and they engaged in unusually impulsive behaviour. The older group were unable to complete a 15-minute computer exercise.

Results varied between different children but the study found that poor behaviour was observed in children who had no record of hyperactivity or attention deficit disorder.

The results are certain to cause concern and it is likely many parents will remove or cut down on food and drink products that might provoke such reactions in their children. The problem for many parents will be how to police children’s eating; although most foods are labelled, some sweets are sold loose in shops and school canteens.

Schools can now expect to be inundated with requests for the ingredients of food and drink on offer to their pupils to be made known.

Jim Stevenson, head of psychology at the University of Southampton, who led the research, said yesterday that he thought there could be swift action against artificial colourants but that it could take longer to phase out use of the preservative sodium benzoate.

At a briefing to publicise the results, however, he said that the FSA’s advice was the most sensible course of action at present. Hyperactive behaviour was also caused by genetic, developmental and emotional factors and a change of diet was not a panacea.

But Richard Watts, food campaigner for the pressure group Sustain, said that the advice would cause confusion. “The agency needs to toughen up the rules quickly. I don’t know why they did not give food companies a deadline to remove the additives. I think as an urgent next step any food with these additives should be classed as junk food and banned from TV advertising to children.” He was also concerned about soft drinks available in schools and wanted the School Foods Trust to review the use of sodium benzoate.

Ian Tokelove, spokesman for the Food Commission, said: “Manufacturers should clean up their act and remove these additives, which are neither needed or wanted in our food”.

The FSA defended its stance and said the matter had to be resolved by the European Commission. Dr Clare Baynton, of the FSA, made it clear that the additives were safe and approved for use in food, and that further assessment was required. She put the onus on parents to monitor their children’s diet. “It is for a parent to know what foods their children are susceptible to and whether their children react to to specific types of food.”

The study builds on tests conducted on the Isle of Wight in 2002 which were inconclusive about links between additives and hyperactivity.

Julian Hunt, of the Food and Drink Federation said: “It is important to reassure consumers that the Southampton study does not suggest there is a safety issue with the use of these additives. In addition, the way in which the additives were tested as a mixture is not how they are used in everyday products.

British scientists given go-ahead to create human-cow hybrid embryos

The Times | Sep 6, 2007

British scientists could create the country’s first interspecies embryos by the end of the year, after the Government’s fertility watchdog yesterday approved the work in principle.

Two teams seeking to fuse human DNA with empty cow eggs to study diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s are expected to be granted licences in November, now that the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) has agreed to look favourably on their applications.

The work to make cytoplasmic hybrid or “cybrid” embryos, which are 99.9 per cent human in genetic terms, should then begin immediately at King’s College London and the University of Newcastle upon Tyne, unless it is blocked by a legal challenge.

A third application to create cybrids for studying motor neuron disease will also be submitted by a team from King’s and the University of Edinburgh, which had been waiting for the authority to decide on the issue in principle.

The positive verdict follows a public consultation, which on Monday reported 61 per cent approval for the creation of cybrid embryos to improve scientific understanding of disease. The research, however, is still opposed by some religious and antigenetic engineering groups, who are likely to challenge the HFEA’s legal authority to approve it.

The HFEA said in a statement that the issue fell within its remit, and that there was “no fundamental reason” for blocking the research. It insisted, however, that individual licence applications would be decided on their merits and there would be no blanket approval. “This is not a total green light for cytoplasmic hybrid research, but recognition that this area of research can, with caution and careful scrutiny, be permitted,” it said.

“Individual research teams should be able to undertake research projects involving the creation of cytoplasmic hybrid embryos if they can demonstrate, to the satisfaction of an HFEA licence committee, that their planned research project is both necessary and desirable. They must also meet the overall standards required by the HFEA for any embryo research.”

Stephen Minger, director of the Stem Cell Biology Laboratory at King’s, who leads one of the teams, said: “It is gratifying to see that the HFEA has listened to the broader scientific and bioethical community. We are also indebted to our fellow scientists, patient advocacy groups, the research charities, and the public who have vigorously supported our cause over the past year.”

The use of animal eggs, he said, was at present the only ethical way of producing cloned human embryos for use in research, “given the large numbers of eggs required to derive cloned human stem cell lines from individuals with incurable and highly progressive neurological disorders”.

Lyle Armstrong, of the Institute for Human Genetics in Newcastle, who leads the other group, said: “This is excellent news. It is a positive outcome not just for our work but for the progress of British science in general and we hope that this will lead to new technologies to benefit everyone.”

Evan Harris, the Liberal Democrat science spokesman, who has led a campaign for interspecies embryos to be sanctioned, said: “This is good news for patients, the public and UK science. Our top-class researchers can now proceed with their applications to conduct this world-leading research.”

The ruling comes as scientists await the Government’s latest plans for legislation on interspecies embryos. Ministers have already backed down from a proposal to ban them altogether after pressure from scientists, and the draft Human Tissue and Embryos Bill to be included in the Queen’s Speech exempts cybrids while outlawing true hybrids. This, however, was condemned as excessive in July by a scrutiny committee of MPs and peers, which recommended allowing all such research subject to licensing by the HFEA.

Gay couple left free to abuse boys – because social workers feared being branded homophobic

Ian Wathey (left) and Craig Faunch were jailed last year for sexually abusing young boys

Daily Mail | Sep 5, 2007

By PAUL SIMS

A homosexual foster couple were left free to sexually abuse vulnerable boys in their care because social workers feared being accused of discrimination if they investigated complaints, an inquiry concluded yesterday.

Craig Faunch and Ian Wathey were one of the first homosexual couples in the country to be officially approved as foster parents.

They looked after 18 children in only 15 months.

With no previous convictions, they came across as respectable men who simply wanted to help boys with a variety of problems.

In reality, they were paedophiles, who repeatedly abused the children in their care.

Even when the mother of two of the children reported her suspicions to the council, officials accepted the men’s explanations and did nothing.

Instead of banning children from staying with Faunch and Wathey, they sent youngsters with more serious problems to them. Between them, the couple abused four boys aged between eight and 14.

In a scathing report published yesterday, Wakefield Metropolitan District Council was condemned for treating the men as “trophy carers”.

The children’s charity Kidscape said those in charge of overseeing the safety of children in the care of Faunch and Wathey had allowed political correctness to override common sense.

The report, following an independent review of the case, said: “One manager described the couple as ‘trophy carers’ which led to ‘slack arrangements’ over placement.

“Another said that by virtue of their sexuality they had a ‘badge’ which made things less questionable.

“The sexual orientation of the men was a significant cause of people not ‘thinking the unthinkable’.

“It was clear that a number of staff were afraid of being thought homophobic.

“The fear of being discriminatory led them to fail to discriminate between the appropriate and the abusive.”

The report also accused the council of failing to carry out proper assessments before and after the children were placed with Faunch and Wathey.

“Issues arose in the first longer-term placement of two children, including potential indicators of child sexual abuse, which were inadequately investigated, understood or acted upon,” it said.

“More children were then placed with Faunch and Wathey, some successfully, some with concerns which were again inadequately investigated, understood or acted upon.

“The practice of some social workers in this case was deficient.”

The report’s authors, led by former Surrey social services chief Brian Parrott, said they could not be sure that Faunch and Wathey were “predatory paedophiles” who became foster carers in order to have access to children.

They added: “Our criticisms are much more of those in middle management whose job it was to piece together what was really happening, to ask the right questions and to be critical and probing.”

Wathey, 42, was jailed for five years in June last year after being convicted of four counts of sexual activity with a child and one offence of causing a child to watch sexual activity.

Faunch, 33, received a six-year jail sentence after he was found guilty of five charges of engaging in sexual activity with a child and two of taking indecent photographs of a child.

The couple, who lived together in Pontefract, West Yorkshire, were approved as foster carers by the council in August 2003.

Their victims included a 14-year-old boy with Asperger’s syndrome, a form of autism,who had a mental age of seven and was forced by Wathey to watch gay pornography.

Another youngster with a “very troubled background” was only in their care for a few weeks before being abused by Faunch.

But social workers had been aware of “inappropriate” behaviour long before then.

Just eight months after they started as professional foster carers a mother of eight-year-old twins, who couldn’t cope with raising them on her own, voiced concerns about them with social services.

While visiting the twins, the 34-yearold single mother was shown a picture taken by Faunch showing one of the boys going to the lavatory during a visit to Butlin’s holiday camp in Skegness and discovered a similar snap had been taken of the other twin.

A social worker took the photograph and promised a full investigation.

But the court heard that not only did social services staff lose the photo, they decided against contacting police after accepting Faunch’s explanation that he was trying to embarrass the boys into shutting the lavatory door.

Police later discovered that, days after the photos were taken, Faunch recorded an indecent video of the twins taking a shower. They began abusing the boys three months later.

Undetected, the offences continued over an 11-month period, Leeds Crown Court was told last year.

Police were called in to investigate the couple only after one of the abused boys told a woman he had been touched by one of the men.

Faunch abused all four boys and Wathey targeted one of them.

Judge Sally Cahill, QC, said neither had shown “empathy, remorse or any responsibility for their actions”.

Yesterday’s report said that the fostering panel which approved Faunch and Wathey accepted without hesitation their request to look after only boys on the basis that they didn’t feel equipped to look after girls.

The report made 41 recommendations for overhauling the council’s fostering process.

Last night, Michelle Elliott, a director of Kidscape, said: “Common sense went out of the window when they allowed political correctness to take over in this case.

“I don’t care if you are homosexual or bisexual – if you are taking care of children you need to be vetted and subjected to the same investigation as anyone else.

“Child abuse knows no gender boundaries.”

Elaine McHale, the council’s corporate director of family services, said it would be “inappropriate” to comment on the report until after a meeting of the full council on September 12.

Ron Paul Slams Huckabee Speechless in Iraq Debate SmackDown

 

Huckabee had been on his way to winning the debate but tangling with an angry Ron Paul left him without much more to say.

Charlotte Conservative | Sep 5, 2007

Ron Paul Vs Huckabee

by Michael Kraft

Well Ron Paul didn’t get a question until 9:31PM EST, half an hour after the debate started. Once he did get to speak, he was fired up, angry and standing next to “all around nice guy” Mike Huckabee.

This was the highlight of the debate, and what I saw as the turning point for Mike Huckabee.

Huckabee had been on his way to winning the debate but tangling with an angry Ron Paul left him without much more to say.

He is a fine man, and I think he will get the nod as someones VP choice, but he had no more ammo in his guns other than patriotic slogans while Ron Paul was shoting about the legality of the war as per the Constitution.

Here is the exchange from FOX news.

Ron Paul at the Fourth GOP Presidential Debate New Hampshire

Also stop by here and see our final debate grades. We have Huckabee tied as the winner and Ron Paul second.

This exchange I feel Ron Paul was in the right and speaking the truth. I think Huckabee would have been a clear winner before he made the mistake of trying to argue facts with Dr. Paul. I like Mike Huckabee, but Ron Paul is so truthful and so inspiring that one shouldn’t toe to toe with him on a stage.

All this aside, read the transcript and decide for yourself, or go here and see our scores.

“Texas Rep. Ron Paul stirred a lot of excitement by repeating his anti-war stance, getting into a sparring match with Huckabee over whether it’s time for the United States to leave Iraq.

“Going into Iraq and Afghanistan and threatening Iran is the worst thing we can do for our national security. I am less safe, the American people are less safe for this. It’s the policy that is wrong,” Paul said, adding that he disagrees with war supporters who warn against leaving prematurely.

“The people who say there will be a bloodbath are the ones who said it will be a cakewalk or it will be a slam dunk, and that it will be paid for by oil. Why believe them?” he asked.

In response, Huckabee said that the United States agreed before the war started that if they break Iraq, it must buy it.

“Congressman, whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is a discussion the historians can have, but we’re there. We bought it because we broke it. We’ve got a responsibility to the honor of this country and to the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and ever served in our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor that they deserve,” Huckabee said.

Paul then responded: “The American people didn’t go in. A few people advising this administration, a small number of people called the neoconservatives hijacked our foreign policy. They’re responsible, not the American people.”

Huckabee retorted that the United States is one nation. “We can’t be divided. We have to be one nation, under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country: the United States of America, not the divided states of America,” he said.

“No, when we make a mistake — when we make a mistake, it is the obligation of the people, through their representatives, to correct the mistake, not to continue the mistake,” Paul replied.

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Business Journal of Phoenix | Sep 5, 2007

by Mike Sunnucks

Results of the 2008 presidential straw poll held by the Maryland Republican Party:

Libertarian-leaning, anti-war Texas Congressman Ron Paul was the top candidate in the 11-day straw poll.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was second in the poll, which asked Republicans to name their choice for 2008 presidential nomination. Former Senator and actor Fred Thompson was third and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney came in fourth. Arizona Sen. John McCain finished fifth.

McCain picked up 54 votes in the straw poll versus 263 for Paul and 230 for Giuliani.

A number of campaign signs supportive of Paul’s underdog effort have popped up in across the Phoenix area.

McCain has seen his poll numbers dip in key states and nationally. The Arizona Republican has run into trouble with moderates over his support for the Iraq War and with conservatives on immigration and campaign finance issues.

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Results of the post-debate Fox News poll:

33% Paul

18% Huckabee
15% Giuliani
14% McCain
12% Romney
02% Hunter
02% Tancredo
01% Brownback

Ron Paul at the Fourth GOP Presidential Debate New Hampshire

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Nashville is Talking | Sep 5, 2007

By William

Ron Paul was clearly the most intelligent and well spoken candidate in the Fox News Republican debate in New Hampshire on Wednesday night. The response of the live audience was clear, as was the post debate Fox News Poll. Here are the results:

FOX NEWS DEBATE POLL – who won the debate?

33% – Ron Paul

18% – Mike Huckabee

15% – Rudy Giuliani

Ron Paul at the Fourth GOP Presidential Debate New Hampshire

The big loser of the night clearly was no-show Fred Thompson, as Fox News reported on Fred’s follies.

After the debate when the final poll results were given, neocon Sean Hannity seemed quite upset with the fact that Ron Paul slam dunked the field, nearly 2 to 1. So much for the war candidates … like Fred Thompson.

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