Ron Paul speaking at Georgetown Jesuit University, alma mater of Carroll Quigley and Bill Clinton. Note the Freemasonic symbols on the wall behind him.
I know this is a taboo subject among Ron Paul supporters, of which I was one myself in the very beginning of his presidential campaign. And even if it is proven beyond any doubt that he is a freemason, many will just put it aside and pretend it doesn’t matter “because he is such a decent and honest man” etc. But many others are very curious to know what RP’s status is regarding Freemasonry because it does matter, and I fully intend to find out myself. Therefore, it is high time we started talking openly about it and try to ascertain the truth, one way or another.
I just happened to stumble across this comment over at the Daily Paul yesterday, and thought that I should share it with whoever is interested in knowing whether or not Ron Paul is a Freemason.
This does not prove anything in that regard, however it makes the probability that he is a Freemason very much higher since Eastern Star members are generally married to Freemason husbands, Rainbow girls are generally children of masons and because Ron Paul’s father was also a mason. And in addition, according to the comment, he “respects the organization”, which is wholly uncharacteristic of anyone who is supposedly fighting against the masonically-inspired New World Order. Ron Paul is also an unofficial member of the John Birch Society, which was founded by masons, funded by Nelson Rockefeller and run by Jesuit-trained Knights of Malta. In other words, the JBS is a gatekeeper organization, designed to control the opposition and make sure nothing substantial is ever done to impede the New World Order system which just keeps on rolling over humanity. How about the Jahbulon Bullshit Society for a more appropriate name?
Here is the comment in full rebutting an anti-masonic posting:
Ron Paul and Freemasonry
On April 20th, 2008 the oak says:
Liberty Oak Ranch
Quit using Ron Paul as a forum for your bigotted beliefs. You don’t know anything about him or his ideals obviously. You also know nothing about the Freemason or Eastern Star organizations.
1. Ron Paul’s father was a Freemason and Dr. Paul has said himself many times that he respects the organization and has been to many of the open meetings in his district. I should know, I was his scheduler for ten years.
2. His wife, Carol is a member of the Velasco Order of the Eastern Star and maintains her membership in the Freeport area lodge.
3. Their daughters, Lori and Joy, were both Rainbow girls, another organization associated with Freemasonry.
Your hatefilled retoric regarding a benevolent, Biblically based organization is likened to those who have a fear of the unknown. It spawns lies and hate toward those who are innocent and have done good for others. Just try taking your child to the Shriner’s burn or crippled childrens hospital. They will take care of your child regardless of your ignorance and will do it free of charge. How many people has your paranoia helped?
Source: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46310
Unfortunately, the link now says “access denied” for whatever reason. Maybe you can explain to me why the link no longer works. I even tried to find the page again through a Google search (how I found it originally) and nothing. Poof! Gone. No trace. Not even a Google cache available. I wonder why? Hmmm….
If anyone knows the actual identity of this “scheduler” with the handle of “Liberty Oak Ranch”, please share it here with us to help confirm the validity of the comment.
I looked up the Eastern Star chapter being referred to if anyone wants to try and research this further:
Velasco Chapter No. 220 (District 4)
Worthy Matron: Mrs. Leota Romine
Worthy Patron: Paul Romine
Secretary: Mrs. Yvonne Huffhines
1210 N. Avenue O
Freeport Texas 77541
2nd & 4th Mon 7:30pm
Ph. (979) 233-1567
Then, one might assume that Ron Paul frequently goes (as the scheduler claims) to meetings at a masonic lodge in the same area, so I found this lodge listed with the Grand Lodge of Texas website which it would seem is a very likely candidate for being one of those lodges he attends:
Velasco Masonic Lodge #757
Douglas Raborn W.M.
email Edward Garcia edgarcia005@sbcglobal.net
Masonic District 31-C
Located in Brazoria County
115 year old Lodge ( Charter granted December 8, 1893)
Members: 176
Lodge Address: 1210 N. Ave. O, Freeport 77541
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 757
Meetings: First and Third Tuesday of each month, 7:30 p.m.
Lodge Phone: 979-233-3623
As I gather more information on what I am 90% sure is a fact, that Ron Paul is a high Freemason of the 33rd degree or above, who knows the masonic agenda and yet keeps it all a secret from his supporters (as Dick Cheney kept his CFR membership a secret from his constituents in Wyoming), I will immediately pass it on to you the public who have a right to know the truth.
PW
PS: Keep an eye on this post as I believe I will be updating it with new information over the next few weeks and months. If you have something definitive regarding Ron Paul’s membership in any secret society, please post a comment with specifics.
852 responses so far ↓
wil // April 22, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Fear of the unknown–with good cause over the eons!
And whose fault is it if it’s unknown–or anything else for that matter?
We’re secretive–trust us?
wil // April 23, 2008 at 12:09 am
Maybe he’s trying to taint Paul?
pjwalker911 // April 23, 2008 at 12:54 am
I don’t think so.
Look, I jumped on the RP bandwagon from the start before anyone ever heard of him because he was saying mostly all the right things. But the fact remains, if we can prove he is a mason, and a high degree one at that, then anyone who is fighting this NWO had better call it quits with him because all they are going to get is pleasing words and smokescreens. More controlled opposition.
Personally, I don’t even need to know if he is a mason or not because A) he supports the name of Reagan, a Boho-grover who was just another traitor puppet, B) he uses the image of Guy Fawkes, a Jesuit terrorist, C) he publically denounces 9/11 truthers, D) he is deeply involved with JBS which is nothing but another elite brotherhood frontgroup, E) he praises the Vatican which most of the Founding Fathers abhored and basically, despite many many years in office he has not done anything to actually stop any aspect of this NWO system from being implemented.
Why then should we abandon all common sense and throw our trust to such a man?
They are all lying to the people. Every last damn stinkin one of them. Carlin was right. They don’t give a flyin fuck about you.
wil // April 23, 2008 at 1:08 am
I agree. Well keep us updated.
John // April 23, 2008 at 9:36 am
Your opinion about the John Birch Society is pretty narrow minded during the cold war, The John Birch society was the heart of the recistance against the new world order and was the first organisationwho’s chairman publicly stated that communism and socialism were both part of a much bigger master conspiracy set up about bringing world government into being. FYI. Larry Mcdonald the chairman im talking about got shot down by a Sovjet MIG along with around 300 more passengers in a commercial plane 3 months after his public release of this information, This is considered the most intense moment of the cold war after the cuban missile crisis, To see this TV interview with Knight of Malta Pat Buchanon CFR Member Tom Braden go to video google and search for Larry Mcdonald
Vyzygoth // April 23, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Government is a sham. Politics is a theater to keep us thinking we have a process and that our votes gain us access to it. Any of these politicians who enter the phony presidential horse race have sold themselves out, including Paul, who has demonstrated a proclivity toward speaking out of both sides of his neck depending on whether he’s on the alphabet networks or Alex Jones.
Paul’s just another D.C. whore with his special talent of playing the good cop.
By the way, Paul, too, has demonstrated his reverance of Rome:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul244.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul242.html
The system is corrupt. Those who enter it are as well. Frankly, we’re in deep sneakers and, this time, the calvary ain’t coming to save us.
T.L. // April 23, 2008 at 2:17 pm
“I jumped on the RP bandwagon from the start ” “A) he supports the name of Reagan, a Boho-grover who was just another traitor puppet, B) he uses the image of Guy Fawkes, a Jesuit terrorist, C) he publically denounces 9/11 truthers”
Heh it is obvious what you are trying to do Nico (a well deserved comparison), say you are part of the movement, and then try to marginalize the movement, great job. It is like driving a car in the snow, when you slide, steer into the slide and at the most opportune time steer out of the slide.
You are doing nothing but trying to pretend to support a candidate, and withdrawal your alleged support at a convenient time, you are just trying to marginalize him and his supporters hence your use of the term bandwagon. Now onto the facts he supports the name of Reagan… umm really now?
Actually the media are the ones that attached a stigma to not respecting Reagan, they even asked a question why Reagan would support each candidate after placing said stigma. What was Paul supposed to do after the media propped up Reagan as some JFK-like people’s hero? Was he supposed to say Reagan would not support me? Give me a god damn break with that, it was a loaded situation regarding Reagan. He uses the image of guy fawkes a terrorist… really?
This is another media perpetuated lie again. Ron paul did not organize the donation days, and did not label them either. A supporter of Paul organized the Nov. 5th donation day, so any comparison or image that was used for that donation day was the doing of a supporter of Paul’s, not Paul. What was Paul supposed to do, denounce the dontation day and say please don’t donate to me? Once again give me a god damn break.
He publicly denounces 9/11 truthers, once again are you serious? When asked on faux news if he believed the government carried out the attacks of 9/11 after marginalizing “conspiracy theorists” to such a high extent, what is he supposed to say Yes the government did it and then be further marginalized by the news station, the same news station that called Ron Paul a racist. Let’s say okay okay he doesn’t think a conspiracy was involved as he has said, when asked by a supporter if he would support a independent investigation into 9/11 guess what he said. He said “Yes I would”.
He is the only remaining candidate who promised if president he would support a new investigation. So all of your supposed facts, are actually nothing more than a means to marginalize this candidate, and I would go even further and suggest you were never really a Paul supporter regardless of what you say.
All of your talking points, and facts were just a few examples of media perpetuated talking points. If he was a member of the New World Order/Globalization the media would not be marginalizing him and blacking him out to such an extent, period. They would cover him to soak up all the dissenters because if he was a member and became president he could more easily sell the dissenters down the river more quickly than anyone else could do.
Do you want to know why the media had him on Fox and asked him if he believes the conspiracy of the government planning the attacks? They did this to try to lessen his support as it is their believe that the only reason he had such a great base of supporters was because his supporters are mostly conspiracy theorists, and if they got him to say no he doesn’t think the government did it they would abandon him.
It was a loaded question. If he said he didn’t think the government was involved he would lose some support from those who think the government did it, and if he said yes the government did it then they would have fodder to further marginalize him on network television. You using this media talking point as any kind of proof really shows your intentions, thanks for outing yourself… PJ.
Michele // April 23, 2008 at 3:51 pm
PJ you have the most rational comment, and thanks for it. How readily and greedily those who climb aboard the blame train are with very little effort to even wait out what may or may not come out of this accusation.
I have followed RP for years and he has been consistant in his voting and his record of statements of faith.
Finally I didn’t know that you could be higher degree than 33 anyway??????
pjwalker911 // April 23, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I am outing myself as an individual thinker, not just another sheep. I knew some Ron Paul fanatics would attack me for this, but the bottom line is, he is part of the established order and you still did not comment on whether or not he was a freemason. I would like to know what you are going to do or think when you find out that he is.
wil // April 23, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Well our NAU protests in ATL were a bust–so we’re going back to county commission meetings and the like–since we have had success there on illegal alien/citizenship issues. We gradually wake up more people–but I think we’re past the point of gradual–it’s needs to be a flood.
Synkronos // April 23, 2008 at 5:28 pm
i am from texas and can personally tell you that masonry is everywhere but the fact of the matter is ron paul is our only political hope and even worse is thta ALL of our parents were responsible for the mess we are in by either being a complacent mason,ignorant mason,complacent citizen or ignorant citizen. the onlt way to tell if a tree is good is to sample its fruit and ron pauls fruit is pure and nutricious
ishereal // April 23, 2008 at 6:19 pm
….. The point is system is corrupt, I’m not following anyone because it’s all a bunch of bs. Knowing how corrupt the gov’t is what makes people think that even if he is not apart of them now, that the unseen hands would not get to him eventually?????? this makes no sense, why are we continuing to put all our hope in another human being, didn’t we learn anything from the christians???????
wil // April 23, 2008 at 7:41 pm
We have to hold people accountable at all levels and arenas–it’s more than just expecting a President to “save” us. We have to save ourselves. It’s been developing for generations, and last few decades/years–exponentially. Especially since technology has caught with the ambitions of the evil.
quazimodo // April 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I hoped Ron Paul was real too. But he was as two faced as janus. Alex Jones and other patriots took this dick under there wings and he ends up shitting on them. ill be honest i only caught on to the fact he was a mason when he started to flip the il cornuto hand sign. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm
About 3 months into his campaign. Il cornuto This sign is the sign of the pentagram, each finger represent one of the five elements. Ron Paul then goes on bill maher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfTVIGTLB6M
Look at the handshakes. “BOAZ”
GRIP OF AN ENTERED APPRENTICE
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/handshakes.htm
Ben Afleck and PJ O’Rourke Bill Maher. Bens a hollywood dick but Pj O’Rourke is a CFR member the people who Paul is supposed to be fighting. Check out rosters:
http://www.vyzygoth.com/cfr.html
People like all the patriots really look like dicks now.I know im probably preaching to the converted here but its my 2 federal reserve cents worth. Be your own leaders.
george // April 24, 2008 at 1:48 am
Actually, the Masons are the founding fathers of America. They’re really the good guys. All this crap about them being evil is crap. I know several Masons and they’re good hard working God fearing people. I had an uncle that was a Mason and he was a good man. The ones we should be worrying about are the socialist @ssholes that are trying to take over our country. They could very well be spreading misinformation about the Masons anyway…
pjwalker911 // April 24, 2008 at 5:41 am
When will people get it? Ron Paul is not going to save anybody, though he is painted as this great Savior figure who is going to solve everything. We have to be more like my compatriot Wil who posts here often on the NAU. He is out there hitting the streets, the meetings and getting in the face of the NWO minions every week. Waving Ron Paul signs is not the answer. We have to save ourselves.
pjwalker911 // April 24, 2008 at 5:54 am
The New World Order that everybody is upset about is a Freemasonic New World Order. Let nobody in this thread forget this point. Novus Ordo Seclorum. Look it up on the back of your worthless dollar bill.
I repeat in another way: the New World Order is long-term masonic agenda, centuries in the making and America was their pet project, the “New Atlantis”.
If you are against the NWO, then stop supporting the masons, the JBS (which is masonic controlled opposition) and the Vatican which is fully behind the NWO, the UN and all the rest of it. This last point was illustrated recently when Pope Benedict praised the UN, blessing the UN flag and telling us that we all had to get behind it’s agendas. He also made a nice little visit to the UN “meditation room” which is pretty Luciferian in itself.
All of which makes it quite odd that people who are supposedly against the UN (Ron Paul and the JBS for example) would make praises to the Papacy.
Figure it out people. I lay out the facts, and hope to hell you can deduce the truth for yourselves. Use your heads and stop believing all the sophisticated lies and propaganda that ultimately comes from the Illuminati who are THE masters of scientific manipulation of humanity.
quazimodo // April 24, 2008 at 6:25 am
George most masons dont even know what masonry is about. Its nothing to do with God most of us know. Anybody thinks masons are god fearing read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike he tells you who the masonic god is. Albert Pike was main mason in the united states after the civil war. Masons just join to be part of an old boy network and progress in life. Its the most compartmentalised organisation in the world. Im not saying all masons are bad most of them dont have a clue elites of masons know what its about just like papacy and aristocracy. Only way to save your self is to go off grid of the system, United States of America and it floundering fathers are a joke really. Wake up people.
pjwalker911 // April 24, 2008 at 7:01 am
Masonry is probably the most sophisticated and far-reaching cult in the world. It is an occult religion based in Kabalah and the Egyptian mystery religion. Anyone who says masons are “the good guys” is either an ignoramous or a lying member of the brotherhood.
anti // April 24, 2008 at 7:13 am
So where is the hard facts?
pjwalker911 // April 24, 2008 at 7:31 am
It’s “Where ARE the hard facts?” or are you a graduate of GW Bush Institute of English Grammar?
Now to your question, that’s what I am asking. Let’s ask some questions about Ron Paul and see what we come up with. Let’s see more facts about Ron Paul’s connections. But you see, we aren’t allowed to do that without getting pounced upon by Birchers, Masons and various Catholic occult orders. A lot of people suspect that Ron Paul is a high-level mason. That is why I finally did this post. I want people to come forward with any information that might settle the question once and for all.
I never said that he was a mason, only that I strongly suspected it. I believe he is a mason, but so far have no definitive proof. Therefore, I encourage others to do some research as I have and post whatever you find here.
Call it an exercise in free-thought or an experiement with the truth. But if you start telling me that I’M bad bcause I dare to ask such questions, then you better think again.
TruthSeeker24 (Timothy) // April 24, 2008 at 11:12 am
Here’s an interesting link on Ron Paul and fraternities:
http://trust.netfirms.com/
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message450848/pg1
Susan Ashbrook // April 24, 2008 at 3:21 pm
So far I have seen attacks on JBS, Ron Paul, Masonry and the Catholics. Why don’t you just start setting up stakes in the town square and set fire to these horrible people. Your mindset is the same as the people who did these things. No proof needed just yell “Witch”. Excuse me for not buying into your hysteria.
wil // April 24, 2008 at 4:11 pm
One person can make a difference. Friend of mine who is either fearless or dumb–has phone numbers programmed into his cell of state legislators, the Governor’s office–this state and other’s, news editors, Congress,, the White House. He’s always polite, but makes several points on whatever, firmly and clearly. And–perhaps just coincidentally–or maybe he was a tipping point, or part of others calls too—a few cases people in question changed their positions shortly thereafter.
Same for commission meetings and the like. Or holding a sign at political fundraisers or speaking tours, and the press comes over to interview. And sometimes actually makes it to news or papers.
wil // April 24, 2008 at 4:15 pm
But it is satisfying to hold a sign saying support American Workers and etc at limos in traffic turning into a luxury hotel at recent candidate’s fundraiser to be annointed.
wil // April 24, 2008 at 4:18 pm
E-mail to officials, letters to the editor are easy too. And I post comments everywhere on articles and news blogs.
pjwalker911 // April 24, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Fine Susan, you love the New World Order and you don’t want anyone like me pointing out how it is perpetuated throughout society through Freemasonry, the Vatican, the UN and through our own masonic government.
You made your position clear.
Next.
And screw you too by the way. And screw all you NWO minions out there who are doing your best to shield the powers behind this masonic agenda.
quazimodo // April 24, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Masons, Vatican (im a catholic myself but im not blind) UN are all same system. Nazi Pope blesses the UN flag ha. The majority of these people in these arnt bad people (my family are all catholc and really good people) who think they are doing good. But the elites of all these organisations are EVIL. Do some open minded reasearch and it will ring with you as it did with some of us here. WE dont attack people just because there catholic masons and beaurocrats. Its the elites.
wil // April 24, 2008 at 6:21 pm
It is the elites–whatever group members hide within.
At the North American Union protest we planned–one person wanted to bring bullhorn and Mexican flag to walk on/burn. And as various of us told him–we don’t hate Mexico or Mexicans–it’s the globalist elites with no allegiance to any nation save their own demonic hubris we oppose. We need Mexicans and Canadians as allies to fight this.
Kairologic // April 25, 2008 at 2:18 am
You know, we could just take this all the way back to the Amun Priesthood of Aegypt whom denounced Akhenaton (even killing him and Nefertiti), the teachings of gnosis, and all of those practicing alchemy for their egalitarian revolutionist mindsets and entheogenic illumination rites… because it was them, after all, that evolved into the “Magi” behind old Greece and Rome; them, after all that stole the blueprints for the Holy of Holies and the Arc of the Covenant from Moses’ design and Solomon’s revisiting; them, who soon became the Office of the Holy Inquisition, after, of course, the Council of Nicea was assembled. Them, who printed the first international monitary unit and taxation measures. Them, who, divided, became entities also as the Knights Templar (because somebody didn’t want to answer to an aryan king pope and wanted to become their own banking system)… them, who later involved the Bavarian Illuminati, let alone the Rosicrucian Order and Adam Weishaupt of the Rothschild linkages which gave birth to our Federal Reserve system here as time marched on… Ever seen the Vatican scroll and double-key insignia? Ever notice how many “incorporated” states of the US have that same emblem, either keys or axes or arrows or olive branches or something akin to war and food control? Ever notice the eagle gripping those “fasces”? Or how the Nazis have always been friends with the Vatican because they were just a large military branch of old Alexander the Great’s (Aryan) genocide plan that’s carried on in the name of Christ, wearing fish-God mitre caps, stealing from Hermetic Tradition to look like esoteric good guys? The pope sits at a fricking upside down cross. Please.
The Ark is an electrical field-producing body rhythm/brainwave entrainment device that “tunes” the Cohen into near-zero mental frequencies… close to death, able to “see” the “truth.” Just look at depictions of Moses from after his 3 days in the “meeting place” that is the Holiest of Holies. The Ark transfixed him and taught him the Tao of bringing God’s Eyes into the perception of man.
We “escaped” the tyranny of England the Pope only to let it right back in, because their were immediately wolves amongst us in sheep’s clothing. The first 13 fricking colonies were General-mayored by Roman Catholic emissaries, the same way that Central America was overrun by Roman Catholic Spaniards and Africa was enslaved by Roman Catholic Deutsch Nazi partners. The same way the Tibet was smashed after China became majorly “incorporated” with Catholicism. Hmmmmmmmm….
Who knows the number of the Beast?
I do. 216 (6×6x6 – or 6 cubed). Nazi general Goebbels even wanted to mandate the concert pitch tuning of ALL music INTERNATIONALLY to 440hz ‘A’ notation. Why? Because it used to be 432hz. A sacred number involving the Pythagorean Brotherhood, Gematria, Geomancy, the Precession of the Equinoxes, and eclipse prediction cycles, let alone astrological understanding of FRICKING CLIMATE CHANGE. Hmmmmmmm again. 432 is 216 multiplied by 2; the Greeks and Asians and Indians and Egyptians (Afrikaans) and Tibetans all revered that number. So did the Maya (along with the numbers 72 and 144). Guess who the Vatican smashed most of? ALL OF EM.
Squander the knowledge. Why? Because its power. If nobody understands the cosmic mechanism and sacred geometry when shit hits the fan, nobody can help themselves. Especially when big Monsanto, the weather-modificaiton gurus of the World Meteorological Association, the biggest military industrial complex agencies like Raytheon and GD Robotics, and the UN are all good friends….
it paints itself.
But, as mentioned earlier — most Masons have NO CLUE what they’ve gotten into, until they’ve denounced their God, TO THE POPE, in order to become a 33rd degree LUCIFERIAN.
It’s the biggest boy’s club, but it also makes a damned huge army of internationally stationed “Knights” for when the time is right, doesn’t it? Yikes.
Lux Et Veritas,
Kairologic
pjwalker911 // April 25, 2008 at 2:20 am
I don’t attack people for being brought up in Catholicism, Judaism, Nazism, Communism, Freemasonry, Zionism, the Mafia etc etc. Children have no choice about what they are conditioned into. But as people mature into adulthood, they owe it to themselves and others to begin questioning their own beliefs and programming. It is our own responsibility as human beings to seek out the truth. People who refuse to do that really do have a serious problem.
What I criticize are the elites mainly, but also those in the lower levels who refuse to acknowledge the truth about the NWO, how it was formed and maintained mainly through Freemasonry, Zionism, Skull and Bones and the “Noble Orders”, Jesuits, Knights of Malta etc, etc.
I have nothing against Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or atheists. What matters is not the religion one belongs to, the color of their skin or the language that they speak. People should be judged as individuals for the content of their character and viewed as a whole person. I take people as they come and either I like them or I don’t based on what they are putting out to the world. What I am saying is that people are either good or bad not because of their religion, but in spite of it. Personally, I see religion as an ancient social control mechanism and nothing more. Spirituality is something deeply personal and should stay that way
When someone has the facts at their fingertips on a blog such as this, and still shields the elites and their programs, then they deserve a good slap in the face. And I only do that when they attack me first.
As far as religion goes, people are free to believe whatever they want to believe and I don’t have a problem with that. Just be willing to question your own beliefs and be aware of what you are a part of and where your donations are actually going.
elrococco // April 25, 2008 at 6:18 am
FREEMASON ALERT!!!!!
Support Ron Paul! WHY?!?!Because my family is the one that STARTED Freemasonry. And yes, we want a new world order. One in which people treat each other humanely, one in which our leaders are trustworthy and respond to the will of the people. One in which individual sovereignty is the rule of the land. You’re all so caught up in the politics of this thing that you don’t see that it’s way beyond that. The best thing we can do as a country is not elect anyone, rule ourselves, make our own laws, support local. You guys want to play games, I want to change the world. Are you afraid of a bunch of guys and women who respect the passing down of trade skills from master to apprentice? You’re all looking for the puppet master when he’s right in fromt of your face. WE are the puppet master, WE are the power. Get off your ass and support your neighboor, your community and if you’re afraid of your government then grow some balls and fight back. WE each are sovereign individuals and we each need to find the common cause amongst our differences to bind ourselves together and remove the corruption from our government by our inherent power. Freemasons, its a joke. Look at your own hands, there’s real power.
pjwalker911 // April 25, 2008 at 7:28 am
elrocoroco, what is Ron Paul’s relationship with Freemasonry? Is he a Freemason, Odd Fellow or Rosicrucian etc? And what do you know about the fraternal communities’ attitudes towards him?
Thanks
elrococco // April 25, 2008 at 6:02 pm
What do I know of a man’s private life? If you look at the current presidential candidates, Ron Paul says the truth of the matter. Maybe his truths are covers for a demon heart. I don’t know. What I am saying is that power is in the people, not the representative. We have been dumbed down and duped into believing the opposite. Instead of speculating on what we don’t know, why don’t we use what we do know. The only thing a man has that is his own in this life is his faith. Faith in a creator/creation, faith in his fellow man, etc…If you CHOOSE to forfeit that than any and all elite groups loose. And by the way, who says who is elite? Have you ever been confronted by a mean barking dog and held your ground? Stared them down and dared them to attack. These elite groups are the same. They rule by bark, expose them, take their power. Instead of building on the mistique of these groups, undermine their existence by marginalizing them. Who’s a king with no subjects? POWER TO THE PEOPLE, take it, it’s right there.
elrococco // April 25, 2008 at 6:03 pm
oops! if yo give up your faith, elite groups WIN.
the oak // April 25, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Well, you found me.
I am the Ron Paul scheduler for whom you’ve been searching.
Ron Paul is not a Mason. The only groups he is a member of is the Vietnam Veterans and the Baptist Church, you paranoid whack jobs.
However, I am the Most Illustrious Esteemed Empress of the Mystical Society of Super Secrecy. They call me MIEEMSSS for short. My group is so secret that we don’t even know who we are. I am going to harvest the testicles of 40 virgin dogs and do an ancient curse on you that is so secret that I had to channel Eve and have her to ask the Snake about the correct ritual.
We have been successful brainwashing you good people into believing that these inferior secret societies like JBS and Masons are responsible for our work. If they were truly as devious and evil as you say, you would know nothing about them and would not be allowed to join them. They suck at being evil. How dare they take care of burned and cripple children for free and then take no credit for it. If they were truly evil they would be out burning and crippling your children and they would know where you live, like I do.
If they were truly secret, they wouldn’t have magazines, TV commercials and have fundraisers in the churches across America. Last time my society went into a church, the holy water started boiling and a the old lady behind me fainted. When I picked her up she turned in to a big horny toad, then croaked, literally.
Now doesn’t this all sound ridiculous? All you people that believe PJWalker’s crap go and take your meds. And you, PJ double up on your Thorazine.
Thank you very much, I’ll be praying for you,
The Oak
Good Night Susan – Almighty Majestic and Ancient Seer- thank you for the information about where “you know who” will be sleeping for eternity
wil // April 25, 2008 at 9:44 pm
“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.”
http://freedomkeys.com/vigil.htm
wil // April 25, 2008 at 9:50 pm
‘The price of freedom is eternal vigilance,” is the exact Thomas Jefferson quote. Never knew there were so many variations like in the link above.
More quotes from Tom–
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2283
TruthSeeker24 (Timothy) // April 26, 2008 at 12:19 am
The oak is not only false, but a deciever.
Not every Masons have done things in the scale of Hitler. That’s true. But to say that Freemasons have done nothing more than helping crippled children is a lie. Freemasonry have been involved in the murder of William Morgan. Charles Finney wrote a book documenting this. Many high level Masons use intimidating tactics against those in churches. For example, Ed Decker and other preachers said he was threatened by Masons for just expressing his First Amendment right of talking of dissent with Freemasonry. When is dissent illegal? It isn’t . Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma admits that he wants the Blue Lodge to use deception to make it appear that the Blue Lodge understands. Manly P. Hall writes of praising Lucifer. I have their direct quotations if you want them.
Freemasonry isn’t the in the end of the Elite, but an instrument that elitists use to promote a new world order. That is why 33rd Degree Freemason William Smith decades ago called for a new race, a new religion, and a new order back decades. Pjwalker911, You’re on the right track. Tons of people agree with you. Don’t let these skeptics and deniers intimidate you at all. No one is saying that Ron Paul is a Freemason. People are just investigating whether he is or not simply. It is true that Paul is a member of a college Fraternity and he explicitly denies that 911 was an inside job. He explicitly praised John Paul II when John Paul II calls for a new world order. The bigger issue isn’t Paul. The bigger issue is exposing the new world order and help people in our communities and areas.
Also, the issue is to be inspired to not joing any pro-NWO organizations at all. The oak talks about secrecy? First tons of Masonic rituals are kept secrets. Masons would not reveal their rituals in every degree. Masonry don’t allow religious liberty in their Lodges by not allowing prayer in end in Jesus Christ’s name. They perform swearing death oaths, etc. John Daniel’s book series on Freemasonry documents their real history. We should expose all evil like the Jesuits, Masons, CFR, Bilderbergers, etc. For example, CFR member Richard Haas called for our national sovereignity to change. The elite Trilateral Commission inventor David Rockefeller said that he isn’t ashamed of wanting a one world or an integrated political/economic system. The Operation Roadmap Pentagon document from 2003 desire to control the entire electromagnetic world. So, we should expand our minds into exposing evil. Yet, we should compromise with the truth. theoak, you sound desperate since you’re only response is ad hominem attacks against pjwalker. If we were so in need of meds, our comments wouldn’t impact you like it did. We don’t need meds. Some of these skeptics need to use their brains and stop with the Ron Paul worship. He’s not a God or God.
pjwalker911 // April 26, 2008 at 12:25 am
TIMOTHY: Thanks, I can’t argue with you at all. And I won’t. You have it right.
pjwalker911 // April 26, 2008 at 12:27 am
elrococco, I don’t disagree with you, except that these elites must be exposed for what they are. Otherwise the people keep believing their lies. That’s all….
TruthSeeker24 (Timothy) // April 26, 2008 at 12:29 am
I made a typo
I meant to say:
“Yet, we should not compromise our thinking that runs contrary with the truth.”
Christopher // April 26, 2008 at 1:17 am
Well, in case anyone doesn’t know, the UN meditation room is where the original seal of the US is kept. It is run by the lucis trust. Formerly the lucifer trust until it changed name,for obvious reasons. It is an Illuminati/New age think tank conceived by Theosophist Alice Bailey. Her words were used by Bush senior in the infamous 1000 points of light speech when he called for a New World Order under the UN on September 11th 1991. The agenda is their for those with eyes to see. Their satanic ‘light’ is utterly counterfeit and corrupt.
Jamie // April 26, 2008 at 3:12 am
PJ, I really like your site, and most of your insights. I was also troubled when I saw the comment on Daily Paul about RP possibly being a Freemason, but I still did not think it proved anything, because his alleged involvement could have been 20 to 40 years ago. While I appreciate your inquiry and agree with your position concerning Masons… NWO… I was disappointed in your seeming “guilty before proven innocent” approach to Ron Paul being a Mason, as it seemed you were accusing him of being 33 degrees or higher, yet failed to give proof.
“As I gather more information on what I am 90% sure is a fact, that Ron Paul is a high Freemason of the 33rd degree or above, who knows the masonic agenda and yet keeps it all a secret from his supporters (as Dick Cheney kept his CFR membership a secret from his constituents in Wyoming), I will immediately pass it on to you the public who have a right to know the truth.”
I attended a meeting tonight where one of Ron Paul’s sons, Robert, was and I approached him as he was leaving and asked if his dad is a freemason. He very much emphatically stated that hid dad was NOT a mason, nor has he ever worn any of the jewelry nor could he remember if he was ever a mason, but that his grandparents had been. I asked if his mother was Eastern Star and he said that he did not think so but perhaps many years ago he remembered her mentioning Eastern Star, then he said that no, that was probably his grandmother who talked of that. I asked if his sisters were in Rainbow girls when they were little girls and he said he did not know what that was and really had no idea. He was being honest, I am very sure.
My grandfather was a mason, but my dad was not a mason. My dad was a catholic, but I am not a catholic, and believe me there are many catholics that are genuine christians. Are we always doomed to be branded for life because of what our parents have done, and how they raised us to join them in their beliefs and actions, but we later wake up and make up our own minds? As you so eloquently stated earlier, we cannot help what type of family or upbringing we had, but are to find truth as we are able, and hopefully not make the same mistakes our ancestors made. Can’t it be possible, as Ron Paul’s son states, that his father and mother are not Masons? Perhaps they were brought up with a parent (s?) who were masons, and possibly early on in their marriage they (or she) were involved, perhaps for familial, social, networking…
I know that RP respects the freedom of all as the constitution states. He does not need to fill each speech with hate and contempt for all ignorant lower masons, shriners, catholics, sheeple, and all other misguided who might not all be in on “the big picture.” Give him a chance, it is the message of Liberty, prosperity and peace that needs to be focused on, which will do more to undermine evil than name calling. I for one loved parts of the movie V for Vendetta and smile when I see the image of Guy Falks, because of the movie, not because of him being a Jesuit.
If I wanted to find out what the Masons were up to, I might be inclined to go to their open meetings once in a while, especially since it involves my district.
pjwalker911 // April 26, 2008 at 3:55 am
Jamie, I did not accuse RP of being a mason, but only believe in the high likelihood of that based on Oak’s testimony that Carol is currently Eastern Star which usually goes together with a Freemason husband. Usually. Do you see the distinction I so carefully tried to make here? I know it takes a certain amount of thinking ability to see that, but there is a distinction between accusing and speculating. And then she says that his daughters were (I assume past tense) in Rainbow girls. So either she or Robert is misrepresenting the truth. But that is all I am trying to get at here, the truth, whatever it is.
Personally, I would never set foot in a Masonic lodge. The New World Order system, you know, Global Government, totalitarianism, Big Brother (all-seeing eye) surveillance society, eugenics, transhumanism, terror-psyops, perpetual war, the global warming hoax, etc all comes out of the elite who are ALL without exception high Freemasons and members of the Chivalric Orders, Knights of Malta etc, etc. That is how they keep their ranks together, establish their pecking order, plan their agendas, maintain secrecy and delegate down to their minions.
There is nothing good about Freemasonry. It is pure evil through and through from top to bottom, only the lower masons are usually pretty ignorant about this fact because they are deliberately deceived by their masters as Albert Pike admitted. But even that is no excuse for the Blue Lodge masons in this day and age of information. The truth is available to all masons nowadays. They don’t have to wait until they reach 32 or 33 to find out that it is all a pack of lies meant to control society and drive it by stealth into the New World Order.
pjwalker911 // April 26, 2008 at 4:21 am
Christopher, right. Also look into the UN Temple of Understanding.
chere // April 26, 2008 at 8:48 am
I cant believe I read the whole thing.
PJ why would commit lible/slander on RP?
If you have solid facts fine, but people are not as gulliable as you think. especially RP people.
Kyrologic was pretty funny & very intelligent.
Elrococco you are correct “WE” have the power.
Where does it come from? It comes from the spiritual. You had better know what spirit your tapping into as well.
It is proven that when a body of like minded people “believe” in a thing it comes to pass. A scientist said matter is always present however when it realizes it being watched it responds to the observer. Just like negativity & positivity can change the atmosphere around you.
But I always found it strange that more than 2 people can agree to be evil, I mean hiteously evil beyond evils. Like genocide.
On the other hand I dont find it bizzar for alot of people to agree to do good.
RP is not a God nor is he a savior, he’s just a man running for President who happens to shed light on the atrocities going on behind the backs of American Citizens.
I grew up in a town here in America where the Scottish Rite masonic temple is the world’s largest conservatory.
The whole town was architectured by masons. Every bldg has an emblem of a contractor & an l-shaped ruler to form a diamond shape with a G in the middle it. I used to think it was for “Guthrie” the town. Anyway anybody can tour the masonic temple & even speak there if given authority, even RP so just because you have a picture of him in frount of a podeum a mason built dosent mean he’s a mason. Incidentally the people who designed the temple are the same people who done the decor of the rockerfeller bldg. There are still alot of masons there, but my family never was.
They were bootleggers..lol.
Take care & PJ, dude …man take this evil down.
Jamie // April 26, 2008 at 12:53 pm
PJ, I do think your comments were balanced and careful for the most part, except the part where you said that you were 90% sure in the fact that Ron Paul is a high degree mason of 33 degrees or higher. Now, the testimony of the “scheduler” was that RP went several times to open meetings, Carol was Eastern Star and Lori and her sister were Rainbow girls, which is not enough proof to brand RP as such a high degree mason as you suggested.
It makes me sad that Ron’s son Robert’s statements were not enough to quell this tide, and I do hope it will be enough to convince people. I agree with the evils of masons and the NWO…, and I was kidding that I would ever set foot in a temple but was making the point that possibly Ron Paul was a mason, since his parents were and brought him up as such, he went a few times, but dropped out, and perhaps kept going a few times to keep in touch with the people in his district. Not all masons, catholics… should be rounded up by Blackwater and shot and some really are misled and are a part of organizations that are doing some good at the local level, like helping children. (I know you did not infer that.)
Ron Paul is over 70 years old, and when Robert’s big sisters were in Rainbow girls, which had to be 30 to 40 years ago, then I do not think it is a stretch that Robert was not aware of the group or what his sisters did when they were little girls. I bet most of us can’t remember if our siblings were in the Girl or Boy scouts or Brownies or little league. I do not think that brands Robert for misrepresenting the truth. I do thank you for your stance on these issues and getting at the truth. Keep up the good work, and I hope you will please reconsider Ron Paul. :)
quazimodo // April 26, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Nice photo at top the evil dosent even try to hide itself. Reference the symbols, not necessary old Wrong Paul
quazimodo // April 26, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Those trees painting on wall look like kabbalistic tree of life.
pjwalker911 // April 27, 2008 at 12:36 am
Chere, you obviously approve of Freemasonry. The only people who are against me are masons, those sympathetic to Freemasonry and some Catholics (but not all).
Again, I don’t know how many times I have to reiterate the fact that the New World Order system of global dictatorship, including monetary dictatorship through the Fed, is a Masonic agenda at its root being implemented by the elite families (who are all masons of one stripe or another). And that the Popes are pro-NWO and pro-UN, and that the Jesuits are masonic should also not be lost to those who support Ron Paul who has nothing but praise for the Vatican, Jesuits et al.
Therefore, I find it extremely peculiar that someone who professes to be against the UN, against the destruction of our sovereignty, the destruction of our financial independence and the destruction of our freedoms, would be sympathetic in any way to Freemasonry as Ron Paul apparently is, and as many of his followers are.
And why should I and others be ordered to take down posts that merely ask questions about Ron Paul’s background. What the heck are you afraid we might find out?
No, there is nothing evil about what I am doing and my intent is not evil. My intent is merely to get at the truth. Period.
pjwalker911 // April 27, 2008 at 12:46 am
Jamie, I merely said that if what Oak was saying was true, then the likelihood of Ron Paul being some kind of cryptic mason is very high. And being that he, being a man advanced in years and experience around DC, the likelihood that he would be a higher-level 32nd or 33rd degree would be higher than if he were a young man just starting out in politics. That is the meaning of my statement and I stick to it.
Then you severely stretch the meaning of my words implying that the end result of what I am doing means that all masons and catholics should be rounded up and shot, by Blackwater no less for whom I have the utmost contempt proven in numerous posts on this blog. Where in the hell did you get that idea to say something like that? I would say it is because you don’t like me poking around in this area and would like to accuse me of something heinous in order to shut me up but it won’t work.
What I do mean to imply is that if the New World Order is masonic (and it most definitely is!) then why in the hell would anyone trust a mason or someone who is sympathetic to Freemasonry to help defeat it? Ayaiyai! Yet that is what I am saying here. That is the real bottom line to this entire post and all the comments I have made here. And if you think that is bad, then you have a real problem.
All I am doing is asking questions about Ron Paul. If that is a crime, then we really do live in a fascist police state.
wil // April 27, 2008 at 1:41 am
Asking questions is the most basic human right…and obligation.
pjwalker911 // April 27, 2008 at 2:48 am
Thanks Wil. That is of course how we learn. Having a mind that questions, probes and tests the truth is the only way to live in reality. All other minds are delusional and going astray.
elrococco // April 27, 2008 at 9:18 am
You know, I started my entry into this forum a little off handed. It is true however that my family did start freemasonry. At least under that name in Rosilyn. I think that elitist groups need to be exposed and I think there is power only through knowledge. But, my overriding concern is that we “little” people get so overwhelmed with the scope of corruption and misinformation that all we do is find ourselves in the end on a wild goose chase while those we wish to “dethrone” have garnered more power in the mean time. We must weigh action against research, time and gain. This is a war, a war for our lessening freedoms, and we must remember Dante: “As one who unwills what he wills will stay strong purposes with feeble second thoughts, so I hung back on that dim coast till thinking had worn out my enterprise so stout at starting and so early lost” Our individual sovereinty, sovereignty in any case, relies on our claiming that authority and acting as well. I just want to remind everyone that our power requires that we both claim and act upon that claim. Exchange of idea and knowledge is the root, but action is the leaf . Without either the plant is dead. The discussion here is invaluable, but what will you do with that discussion today, and tomorrow and so forth. Take it from this page and put it in the street. I may be speaking to the choir, but we need to take this message and move it. How many of your coworkers, family, acquaintances have heard what you have written here? If you have to answer less than all, then you have work to do. If you can answer all, then you better find more people to tell. That’s all I’m saying. And that’s why I say the power is in our hands. We have the potential and we must make it kinetic. Push on folks, we are stepping further into the battle.
wil // April 27, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I talk with people, but sometimes have to manage the return abuse/scorn/scoffing–because the flesh is weak and it gets tired. Some people can’t really talk to until they’re ready for it or at least partly there. But I’m all about planting seeds and hope.
pjwalker911 // April 27, 2008 at 4:54 pm
elrococco, are you a Sinclair? And I agree. We all have work to do. I also know that the vast majority of people cannot or will not listen to the truth. Or they will listen to that portion that fits into their divided-and-conquered hegelian political bias. Or they will just look at you like you have three heads. I keep trying to plant seeds just the same.
pjwalker911 // April 27, 2008 at 5:14 pm
The Oak, who is very sympathetic to Freemasonry (to the point of taking it personally) and thinks those who criticize the brotherhood should be locked away in mental institutions and put on thorazine (like they do with dissidents in Russia), claims to have been RP’s scheduler for years as quoted, by the way has posted a bizarre raving lunatic reply here (See above for those who missed it).
She does not retract her claim that Carol Paul is currently an Eastern Star, nor does she retract her claim that Ron Paul “respects the organization” of Freemasonry, nor does she retract the claim that Ron Paul has been to MANY meetings. Now again, I have to ask her if she was lying or not, because that is the implication of Jamie’s statements. He seems to be saying that The Oak is a liar. So who is telling the truth here?
If it is proven to me that Ron Paul has no connections to Freemasonry, does not “respect the organization”, has never been to the “many” meetings, that his wife is not in Eastern Star and has nothing to do with it, then I guess maybe I will drop this line of inquiry. But then I will still have to ask why he praises the Papacy which calls for a New World Order, blesses the UN flag and promotes UN agendas.
So Oak, since you are the one who started all this in the first place, will you please come back here and straighten all this out for us? Jamie implies that you are lying. Again, is it true or not that Carol Paul is an Eastern Star and does Ron Paul “respect the organization” and go to masonic meetings or not? Or did you just make all that up to smear Ron Paul’s good name?
So we are awaiting your second reply now and I guess that should put the matter to rest for all of us.
elrococco // April 28, 2008 at 3:53 am
I’m not a Sinclair, they came later. And by the way, I do have three heads. Truth be told there is no truth; only perspective. Yours, mine, theirs and it is this natural delima that genius uses to conquer. Unfortunately right now we are not the geniuses. We are not because because we choose to share and hope to bring all along the journey. Remember that any amount of cooperation throws a monkey wrench into the fundamentals of game theory, and that is the essence of politics today. Game theory is the basis of the divide and conquer, the need for dissention among the players is essential for “equilibrium”. That equilibrium, the dissention amongst the people creates the safety the “elites” need to operate their nefarious designs. We are not a team so much as a group that must re-realise that we must unite or die.
yazziz // April 28, 2008 at 4:14 am
george you are correct – IMO
its the corrupt intertwining like a disease
all masonic guidance with the hand of crowley
should be turned away and the true spirit
of the masonry this country was founded upon
live and dwell in the spirit of humanity
my family were masons and were wonderful people
everyone rides the roller coaster no one gets off that easy and no one rides for free
infiltration of many viles of evils veils lives
knowledge is power and knowledge is how and why for the benefit of life
pro life
anything else is a .death cult.
pjwalker911 // April 28, 2008 at 4:38 am
We are still axiously awaiting Oak’s rebuttal against Jamie’s claim that everything she said regarding Ron Paul and Freemasonry is fabricated nonsense. So if anyone knows her, please have her return to this thread for her rebuttal.
I mean, I’m beginning to think she was lying myself, but why a former employee of Ron Paul would seek to falsely smear him with masonic associations is beyond me. Maybe she’ll tell us why she would do such a terrible thing.
Please No // April 28, 2008 at 9:59 am
This is so stupid, i’m sorry. Most Freemasons are not conspiratorial. Maybe he respects the Freemasons because he loves the Founding Fathers and they were Freemasons. Oh wait, anyone that likes the Founding Fathers is a peon to the NWO.
pjwalker911 // April 28, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Yeah, the entire government is masonic with mason presidents, congressmen and generals running it. DC is a gigantic magic masonic sigil or talisman, but for some reason they don’t teach us anything about this in school. Therefore, the average person has not the slightest idea about Freemasonry even though the elites are all members of one or another similar secretive order. The fact of the matter is high profile politicians do not want us to know about their memberships. If asked about their membership in Skull and Bones, Bush and Kerry will just laugh and change the subject. Mason presidents never mention their membership to the public either. Why membership in a “charitable organization” should be kept a secret is baffling to those who don’t understand the masonic agenda but you see, it’s all a big joke and the joke is on the public.
You can blabber on and on about how wonderful Freemasonry is, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is an elite secret society that manipulates behind the scenes as it has done for centuries. Look into Albert Pike who has a statue and a special room dedicated to him at the Scottish Rite temple in DC. He says the lower masons (and of course the public especially so) are deliberately deceived as to the true nature or Freemasonry. Look into the P2 Lodge terrorists. And now look at the results of this masonic Novus Ordo Seclorum (New World Order) of perpetual war, declining financial security, declining morality, tyranny, the Big Brother surveillance control grid system with the all-seeing masonic eye in the pyramid of the Office of Total Information, globalism and global government. This is their Great Work in the New Atlantis. And we all know what happened to the Old Atlantis don’t we? Well, the news is now full of stories about how America is a sinking ship the NWO.
So, if you like that, then I would say it is YOU who are stupid.
Jamie // April 30, 2008 at 1:27 pm
PJ, I am surprised that my comments have been interpreted by you as my having said that everything the “Oak” said is fabricated nonsense and that you seem to think I am calling the Oak a liar. My statements did not reveal that and I for one do not believe for a second that the person who called themselves The Oak on this site and said, “Well, you found me. I am the Ron Paul scheduler for whom you’ve been searching. Ron Paul is not a Mason. The only groups he is a member of is the Vietnam Veterans and the Baptist Church, you paranoid whack jobs. However, I am the Most Illustrious Esteemed Empress of the Mystical Society of Super Secrecy. They call me MIEEMSSS for short. My group is so secret that we don’t even know who we are. I am going to harvest the testicles of 40 virgin dogs and do an ancient curse on you that is so secret that I had to channel Eve and have her to ask the Snake about the correct ritual…”
really does not have any credibility or seeming sanity. This person is obviously using a bit of satire or medication. I do not believe this is the same person who posted this on Daily Paul a while back.
What my statements obviously did not convey clearly is that I do not know if the statements made by “the real scheduler” are true, but if they are it in no way diminishes Ron Paul’s own son statement that his father is not a Freemason, nor has ever worn any of the jewelry. (If RP was a mason in his early years I do not think that should brand him for life.) He was not sure if his mother was ever in Eastern star (but obviously if the scheduler is telling the truth, then she was Eastern Star long ago, or if she still is she obviously is not heavily into it, per her son.) Just because Robert Paul was not aware what his big sisters were involved in as little girls so many years ago does not make him a liar because he does not know what Rainbow girls are.
I am not sure if Ron Paul himself were asked about this matter that many people would not take him for his word, but would say he is covering up for the “brotherhood.” That is a pity.
Lloyd Clinton // April 30, 2008 at 5:40 pm
PJ, you are morbidly ignorant. Had you ever studied Freemasonry, you would know that the rituals, grips and passwords are symbolic and handed down from the operative masons from time’s past. In today’s Freemasonry, there is no Mason higher than a 3rd Degree Master Mason. Anything above 3rd Degree is conferred through other Masonic bodies, such as the York and Scottish Rite. When you go to quote Pike against the Masons, don’t leave out the whole quote and only show was serves your needs. As far as Pike goes, he wasn’t as smart as he thought he was and many of his writings have been discredited. In the Christian Bible (I am indeed a Christian) do you know how many times Lucifer is talked about? 1, 1 time, and it refers to a star in the sky, providing light. Get your facts straight.
pjwalker911 // May 1, 2008 at 3:37 am
Jamie, how else can your comments be interpreted?
Oak says Carol Paul is currently an Eastern Star.
You say she isn’t, based on Robert’s hazy recollections.
Oak says, Ron Paul has gone to MANY Freemasonic meetings and that he has said MANY times that he “respects the organization”.
You say he has nothing to do with it, based on Robert’s hazy recollections.
Oak says that Ron Paul’s daughters were both Rainbow Girls (who are generally daughters of Freemasons).
You say that they probably were not, based on Robert’s hazy recollections.
Everything you say directly contradicts what she says. That means very simply that you are implying that she is lying and making everything up. So don’t play games with words.
Second of all, the pro-masonic passion and the wording of the response matches the passion and wording in the original post, so it’s a sure bet that they are the same person.
pjwalker911 // May 1, 2008 at 3:42 am
As for Lloyd there, if Albert Pike was so dumb and so discredited, why the hell would a special room be dedicated to him in the Holy of Holies at the Scottish Rite Temple in Washington DC?
And secondly Lloyd, do you as a professing Christian really think it’s alright to worship Lucifer? Pike said so, and in contradistinction to Jesus Christ. Look it up Lloyd.
Freemasonry is at the heart of the New World Order. Everybody knows this by now, so quit playing with words. The gig is up. You are exposed. The only ones who are fighting against me and other truthseekers and freedom-fighters are those who have sold their souls to the NWO. So just admit what you are and be done with it Lloyd. Time to choose up sides because the war is on.
Lloyd Clinton // May 1, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Wow, your misunderstanding of Morals and Dogmas and the Christian Bible do indeed run deep. You are like the rest of the Anti-Masons, hate through ignorance. Get out your Christian Bible and look for Lucifer. You will then see your understanding of what Pike said is wrong. I’m sure you’ll paste a quote, so paste the whole paragraph, no just the part that fits your agenda. I would love to have a public debate with you, covered by the media. Set it up and lets roll.
wil // May 1, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I judge by works. In my “real life” when people withhold secrets or information–I always seem to be the loser. Don’t know why national or world or public scene would be any different.
And I don’t recall Christ advocating “secret” organizations, or from “time’s past.”
But I’m just a simple gardener.
Lloyd Clinton // May 2, 2008 at 12:47 am
Just because Masons don’t speak of Christ does not make them evil. 2 Top things that cause contention between men? Politics and Religion. Therefor the Masons do not speak of Politics or Religion in open meetings. The Knights of Columbus hold their meetings behind closed doors, they have passwords and grips. Are these men classified as evil?? Most businesses in the world hold private meetings behind closed doors, are these businesses evil? I think some of you have lost your common sense along with the rest of the sheeple in the US. The founding fathers were mostly Masons. Do you not think these were men of integrity? The founded this great country on the ideas of freedom of religion, speech, the right to bare arms, the right to assemble. What rights we do have, are what help keep this country great. Can’t stand being in “Great Masonic Experiment”? Move. See if we could have this civilized debate in a country under the leadership of a dictator…
Lloyd Clinton // May 2, 2008 at 12:48 am
Sorry for the poor grammar above, I have several things going on while I’m trying to reply.
wil // May 2, 2008 at 2:30 am
Grammar happens.
TruthSeeker24 (Timothy) // May 2, 2008 at 4:55 pm
I will respond to Lloyd soon hopefully today.
TruthSeeker24 (Timothy) // May 2, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Most Masons aren’t on the level of murderous dictators like Hitler, so I don’t collectively blame all Masons for all of the evils in the world. Although, Many Masons are evil for refusing prayers to end in Jesus Christ’s name. That’s restricts religious liberty, which you supposedly endorse Lloyd Clinton. This doesn’t mean we force religion unto other people via compulsion, but we right have a right of religious expression. Again, numerous Masons colloborated in murdering William Morgan as exposed by Pastor Finney. If you’re a real Christian, you’re required to speak of Christ and you shouldn’t be ashamed of the name of Jesus Christ. Therefore, you are within your First Amendment rights to speak of Jesus Christ (or ending a prayer in Jesus Christ’s name) regardless if you’re in a Lodge or not. Now, let look at the Freemasonry and evil controversy. Masonry not only have secrets, but intentionally restricts the explosure of its total ceremonies and its true intent from even its Lower Blue Lodge members. That’s evil, because a real man would know everything about an organization (a religion, a fraternity, or whatever) before making a conscience decision or joining that organization. You are really naive to join a group if you don’t know exactly what it’s about. Masonry have death oaths. That is evil because you don’t swear keeping secret with death as a punishment if you violate that oath (even if you’re not literal with it). Especially, If you’re a Christian, you don’t swear oaths as Jesus says in Matthew 5:34-37: “…But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” Albert Pike admits in his Morals and Dogma book that he uses false interpretations in lower level Freemasons:
“Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled …”
“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.” ( Morals and Dogma, pp. 104, 105 & 819)
Pike’s words are revelant to those in the Scottish Rite since he once headed it. To this day, Scottish Rite Freemasons are advised to recieved a copy of Morals and Dogma boo. The scottish rite has a Statue of Pike in their Temple of D.C. If he was an error-prone guy about what Freemasonry was really all about, the Scottish Rite would of have been admitted to it.
Politics and Religion are contentous issues. Yet, They ought to be discussed everywhere with mutliple points of views displayed. The Knights of Columbus argument is silly. The reason is that you don’t justify your behavior by citing other behavior. Your behavior should stand or fall on its own merits. Now, the Knights of Columbus hold many closed doors, have passwords, etc. To me, that is secretive just like in Freemasonry. Are these acts evil? Evil is the act of doing something which is the opposite of good. The Knights of Columbus are a powerful group dedicated to the influence of the Papacy across America. There are evil people in the K of C and many Masons are evil. Businesses hold private meetings, but time after time again, we discover the intense details of these business meetings on several occasions. Businesses regularly disclose their economic dealings and their transactions. Not to mention, Freemasonry isn’t a business. They claim to be a fraternal order dedicated “to the improvement of human beings.” If that’s their goal, secret meetings would be out of the question. Me personally, I believe secrecy should be extinct. We should be open about what we do and what company we keep. Clinton, you nearly act like having no secrecy means harrashment. No, if secrecy is gone, we don’t harrash people. We just become aware of people.
Your interpretation of American history is rather limited. The truth is that Masons never created America in its totality. Many Bible Christians were crucial in the development of America. It is fair to point out that many God-fearing Americans existed in early America (like John Witherspoon, Daniel Webster, Hooker, Samuel Davies, John Clarke, Roger Williams, John Lehland, Timothy Dwight, etc.) So, not all Americans back then were occultists or Masons. Most professing Americans in that time were Christians. Freemasons were involved in Revolutionary War and that’s true. The concepts in the Bill of Rights aren’t totally Masonic. British Common Law, the Commentaries of Blackstone, and the Magna Carta (which aren’t Masonic laws) had a huge role in the laws of America. Many of the concepts cited in the Bill of Rights like the right to bear arms, habeas corpus, and religious liberty existed way before Masonry came into the Modern era at 1717 A.D. Freemasonry like many Secret Societies competed with Christian influence for the control of the soul of America. That’s why these Secret Societies place cornerstones in major buildings of D.C. That’s why Masons like Manly P. Hall promoted America as a New Atlantis in his books. It’s true to say that Freemasons had a great deal of influence in American society. Yet, to ignore non-Masonic influence is either being in denial or igronance. I will not move from the USA. I will be a man and fight for truth living here. Only cowards quit. I owe God alone to living in this nation and having a civilized debate not a Mason. I owe God to my existence not a Mason at all. The essence of Freemason is the usage of the Mysteries (even Pike admitted that Masonry is a successor to the Mysteries and is related to the Kabbalah. Other Masons in their own words said this as well. I can show quotes of this as well) in the promotion of an ecumencial religious atmosphere. In other words, Freemasonry teaches that even Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists if they worship one God are in the same league as Christians are. I have quotes proving that as well.
One is this: “…. Masonry makes no profession of Christianity . . . but looks forward to the time when the labor of our ancient brethren shall be symbolized by the erection of a spiritual temple . . . in which there shall be but one altar and one worship; one common. altar of Masonry on which the Veda [Hinduism], Shastras [Buddhism], Sade [Astrology], Zend-Avesta [Zoroastrianism], Koran [Islam], and HolyBible sha ll lie untouched by sacrilegious hands, and at whose shrine the Hindoo (sic), the Persian, the Assyrian, the Chaldean, the Egyptian, the Chinese, the Mohammedan, the Jew, and the Christian may kneel and with one united voice celebrate the praises of the Supreme Architect of the Universe.” (Henry Pirtle, Kentucky Monitor (Louisville, KY: The Standard Printing Co., 1921), page 95).
Biblical Christianity is opposed to this. Also, Lucifer in the Bible was corrupted and fell from Heaven. Lucifer is condemned in the Bible Lloyd Clinton. Look at Isaiah 14:12-15. 33rd Degree Manly P. Hall wrote that once the Mason utilizes his Craft in the right way, the seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands. Hence, some Freemasons worship Lucifer. I even saw a Google Video where a Shriner blatantly praised Lucifer and a Christian rebuked him for it. The new Mason claims to have the Light out of darkness, but the NT says Jesus Christ is the only Light of the World. You don’t need secrets to find the Light. The Light is God alone. You know this. You shouldn’t mock sources, since many sources from Masons themselves back up our views. Yes, sometimes some quotes are taken out of context on various times but not all quotes. Clinton, you claim to be a Christian yet you call a man Worshipful Master. Jesus forbid us to call a man Master. Also, the Bible identified Jesus as the only cornerstone. The vast majority of quotes we cite in dissent with Freemasonry are clear cut and without convolution in it cosmology at all. I can’t judge your walk with God, but you are dead wrong about what Freemasonry is. Freemasonry is a tool in league with Ecumencialism and a new age in the world. I’m not ignorant because I will expose all evil from some Freemasons, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR, the Bilderbergers.
By Timothy
Ron Ald. Paul // May 3, 2008 at 3:39 am
Ron Paul & Barak Obama won the poll conducted among Masons on the ‘Burning Taper’ Masonic Blog.
Ron Paul made Masonic Signs during a speech and during his appearance on the Jay Leno program. Jay Leno is suspected of being a Freemason. Arnold Schwartzenegger who is also believed to be a Mason made Masonic signs during his recent appearance as well.
The CFR, the Trilateral Commission & the Bilderberg were founded by the Rockefeller family, the leading Masonic family in the United States.
Generally Eastern Star membership is only held by the spouses of Freemasons, that is the purpose of the organization, to keep the wives under control. For this item alone, if true, it is highly likely that Ron Paul is a Freemason.
Having observed Mr. Paul I believe he is a Freemason. Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity. Freemasonry is not democratic, it is a secret society. It practices favouritism and it’s members have been involved in many political intrigues. It’s members turned against England in 1776 largely because George III granted full rights to Catholics in Quebec, which at that time covered all of present day Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Illinois.
Washington and the other Leaders were land speculators and stood to lose a fortune from the Quebec Act, although ironically Washington was converted to Catholicism on his death bed by a Jesuit Priest.
George Washington, America’s first Catholic President.
pjwalker911 // May 3, 2008 at 5:18 am
Thanks for posting that comment about Ron Paul being the number one cadidate among Masonic Republican voters. That is a real all-seeing eye-opener, wouldn’t you say? That just adds to my case that he has the Masonic stamp of approval.
I went to Burning Taper to find the poll. The latest one I found was January 21, 2008. If anyone has a more recent Masonic poll showing Ron Paul out in front among Freemasons, please by all means share it here.
The link:
Ron Paul, Barack Obama lead by wide margins in our presidential primary polls
http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2008/01/ron-paul-barack-obama-lead-by-wide.html
Ron Ald. Paul // May 3, 2008 at 5:48 pm
You’re more than welcome. The Catholic bit at the end of the post was an attempt at humor, but basically it is factual. Georgetown University, in Washington D.C. has a few mysteries to reveal still. It was founded by Bishop Caroll, a statue of whom rests in the main courtyard. There appears to be a pyramid or triangle behind his seated figure with an eye at the appex, although the photo of it availabe on line at the University’s website isn’t too clear, so my description above isn’t a definitive one. A little project for someone in the DC area…
There are still things to discover regarding the true origins of Freemasonry. It is possible it was originally a Catholic Secret Society tied to James I in Scotland (the Jacobins), that got taken over by the Protestant Hanovers and turned into a vehicle for social control. That is one theory anyways that could explain the similarities between symbols and terms of the Catholic Church & Freemasonry.
Freemasonry today is certainly anti-catholic & anti-christian, although they have succeeded in recruiting a great many members in the clergy.
Freemasonry is also heavily involved in various Governments, Intelligence Agencies, and International NGO’s. It is the Walmart of Conspiratorial doings.
Lloyd Clinton // May 3, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Above you kept referring to God. Are you referring to God as the Father of all men or did you mean to say Jesus? Please post a link to the video of the Shriner praising Lucifer. That would be an interesting watch. What are the basic tenants of Christianity? What else did Jesus teach? Do you really want to know what goes on at a meeting? Get a petition and file it with a local lodge. I understand why Freemasons as a group shrug off getting involved with debates with people such as yourself. I think we can keep this going though, in a civilized matter and I can show you, without violating my oaths, that you are indeed wrong about several things.
Lloyd Clinton // May 3, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Also, let me get this straight. You don’t care for Masons or Catholics? What about members of The Odd Fellows, The Moose, The Elk, the VFW?
Lloyd Clinton // May 3, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Also, if we are anti-Christian, then why do we have The Knights Templar where you must profess a belief in Christ as your savior to be a member????
Ron Ald. Paul // May 3, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I reviewed the YouTube video clip of Mr. Paul’s appearance on Bill Maher’s program posted above on this thread.
The Crossed Arms Ron Paul is making when leaning against the lecturn during the debate is a Masonic Sign. It could be a co-incidence, but it doesn’t look too natural, or comfortable. But Crossed Arms, Crossed Legs, Crossed Ankles(Mr. Paul did that one during his Jay Leno appearance), crossed hands are Masonic signs.
The handshake Mr. Paul used with I believe Ben Affleck and PJ Rourke appeared to be Masonic.
I don’t consider any statements made that Mr. Paul is not a Mason to be very credible. Freemasons continuously deceive on their membership and many other aspects. It is also to be remembered that the Slick Willie ‘It all depends what your definition of is is’ is pure Masonry (Clinton is a Demolay Member). So if a Freemason says they are not a Mason it is not particularly helpful because the organization they are a member of is actually Free & Accepted Masons. Or similar phrasing, you have to be very specific with them, and in the end they could just lie anyways.
He appears to be a member of a Masonic Family – wife, daughters, father, son. There are obviously Masons on his campaign team, and he was the most popular in a Masonic Poll at the burning taper blog (54%).
The thing with Masons is they work as a group, ‘The Beehive’, it doesn’t really matter about the individual because it is who he ends up appointing to positions. Anyways he is not going to win, so it is the Masonic Love Bombing I am more concerned about. Masonry is very clever about diffusing and misdirecting it’s critics. It is a veritable house of mirrors.
Lloyd Clinton // May 4, 2008 at 1:43 am
Masonic signs? Which ones? Please name them. Also, if we were so powerful, wouldn’t more of us be rich, and couldn’t we just have this website removed from the internet??????????
pjwalker911 // May 4, 2008 at 2:12 am
When I refer to Freemasonry, I refer to it in the broadest terms, that is in terms of anything that is “masonic” or has a similar structure to Freemasonry with grips, passwords, oaths, initiations, rites, occult symbology, tight secrecy, wordplay, an outer front to fool the public and it’s own internal compartmentalized bureaucracy. That includes Odd Fellows, Moose, Elks, VFW, Rotary, OTO, Knights of Columbus, Knights of Lazurus, Jesuits (see above pic with masonic symbols at Georgetown), Templars, Assassins and Ismailis (who influenced the Templars) Rosicrucians, SMOM, Skull and Bones, etc etc. What I am saying is that it’s all the same old shit, dressed up in different colorful perfumed wrappers, but when you open them up they all stink just the same as the others because corruption always has a foul oder.
They all exist under the masonic category as secret and powerful interlocking hierarchical societies which ultimately run this masonic matrix system as they have done down through the centuries. The Templars were a Catholic order, dissolved by papal decree and replaced by the Knights of Malta another Catholic order, and reappeared in Scotland as the basis for modern Scottish Rite Freemasonry as other masonic streams came together into the York Rite in England and the Grand Orient in France.
So it matters not so much what label you use. “Masonic”, the way I use it, simply refers to the ancient cabalistic occult system of elite manipulation and control passing down through the ages from Babylon, Egypt, Greece and Rome. It created and permeates Christianity, controls it on all sides, sets up controlled oppositions to thwart and neutralize any attempt to challenge it’s overarching authority.
The Protestant Reformation was run by Rosicrucians and the Rosicrucian manifestos were approved by the Jesuits who were supposedly in opposition to Protestantism. But this is all part of the fabricated Hegelian dialectic of managed history. They create an enemy anti-thesis with one hand, battle against it with the other hand and out of the chaos comes their synthesis. They create the disease (both literally and figuratively) with one hand and with the other hand, they hold out the “cure” which is worse than the disease! This is done over and over again and again because it works so damn well and people always buy into the the propaganda about these managed conflicts and so go along with the “solutions” such as the United Nations which is pushing for a One World Religion.
Communism was again created by the same elite who created and funded Nazi Germany (see Skull and Bones). The same elite who staged 9/11 and the Global War on Terror, which is really a war on humanity. Then they bring out another war on humanity, the War on Global Warming which is the basis for their eugenics depopulation program. This is called Order Out of Chaos. The masonic motto of Ordo Ab Chao. All through history, the elite have staged wars and other conflicts and predicaments so that they could come in and pose as our saviors, and take their agendas to the next predetermined stage in their Grand Plan, the New World Order.
Lincoln P. Bloomfield reveals the method of Ordo Ab Chao:
“An alternative road may bypass the main path of history, shortcircuiting the organic stages of consensus, value formation, and the experiences of common enterprise generally believed to underlie political community. This relies on a grave crisis or war to bring about a sudden transformation in national attitudes sufficient for the purpose. According to this version, the order [New World Order] we examine may be brought into existence as a result of a series of sudden, nasty, and traumatic shocks.”
- A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations by Lincoln P. Bloomfield. Prepared for IDA in support of a study submitted to the Department of State, dated February 24, 1961
Similar amazing things have been stated by Kissinger, Brzezinski and the Club of Rome as to how to unite the world alchemically by first dividing and conquering it. This is a long historical process that is finally coming to fruition after thousands of years of planning and manipulation have paid off for the elite as we enter the final stages of the masonic New World Order. It is known as The Great Work, that is a construction of the “builders” who are the masons and others like the Rosicrucians and it can only be carried out down through the generations because the elite aristocratic families have agreed to work this plan until it is completed.
We have all been conned and hoodwinked (a masonic term) to the point that all of our debates fall within this limited paradigm that was set up by the elite occultists, the Illumined Ones, the Freemasons and Romanists of today. Politics and religion are complete shams, meant only to lead the masses into the ultimate form of slavery, total control over the mind. It’s the shepherds leading their flocks of ignorant sheep as it has always been. And there are indeed many divisions and groups, but in the end, at the top they are all run by the same aristocratic royal bloodlines as they have been since the beginning of history.
Since the top-level leaders of this established order keep their lower-level members in the dark and feed them a lot of crap and propaganda, of course, they show up to sites like this to protest and state their ignorant opinons, like Lloyd here. I feel more pity for you than anything Lloyd. I really do.
Lou Smith // May 4, 2008 at 4:30 am
Excellent debate! My opinion was not shifted by this however. I have never been labeled a sheeple. In fact the most common remark is that I have a bad attitude. That attitude in reality is that I demand truth in word and deed. Knowing the truth is the hard part. Anyone who has any knowledge of history has certain proof of the elite’s conspiracies through all time. I am the blood descendant of a Native American tribal shaman. Because of this, my basic beliefs are spiritual first. Most religions teach the same basic theme. True religion does not bow to the will of man. Nor does any man have the power to rule or judge in God’s stead. The law of liberty is equity. That is; “all of your dealing must be equal and balanced.” If you worship the Spirit of Truth and commune with it, you will become one. If you worship the spirit of inequity, you will become one. Choose your path to live and die by that choice. That which you love will be your master. No matter which path you choose, you will end up where you truly belong.
Lloyd Clinton // May 4, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I am a Mason, and a Christian. The two can co exist. I do agree that the government is corrupt and out of control. Did they plan 9/11. I don’t think so, but they are as opportunistic as the next guy, and if they weren’t they would be stupid. There are alot of fundamental issues in this country, and there will be another revolution. There has to be, and I promise you, that men such as myself, and other Masons think the government is out of control, and will be there fighting to restore what rightfully belongs to the people. If you think there is a society within a society, I’m not going to be able to change your mind because you won’t believe anything I say, but I can tell you that the 3 million Craft Masons (or lower levels as you call us) will be there fighting the revolution right next to you, for the same reasons as you.
Lloyd Clinton // May 4, 2008 at 2:16 pm
“all of your dealing must be equal and balanced.” = level
Lloyd Clinton // May 4, 2008 at 2:20 pm
PJ, you also have some misunderstanding as to the actual structure of Masonry. Master Masons do not have to join the Scottish Rite, or the York Rite, the Shrine or Grotto, etc, etc…. I know plenty of men in positions of power that only belong to the Blue Lodge. My dad was a 32nd Degree Mason, and it’s not that I saw anything I didn’t agree with, the reason I probably will not go down that path is because I don’t want to pay more yearly dues.
pjwalker911 // May 4, 2008 at 7:05 pm
The future is horrible, not because of global warming, terror or overpopulation, but because it was planned that way by the Masonic power structure. That is, it was planned to be hell for the general population while it would be heavenly for the psychopathic criminal elite.
All of their plans are coming to fruition because they have conceived it and built it up be this way. That is what the New World Order is all about: a very dark and evil dystopia of inside terror psyops, global government, absolute tyranny, neofeudalism where the rich get obscenely richer while the poor just get poorer, a microchipped and brainchipped population tracked and traced everywhere they go, cops in black military super-soldier outfits pumped up on violence, PTSD and steroids, pre-crime arrests and indefinite detentions, torture, directed energy weapons used to control crowds, robotic surveillance spiders crawling around your home, surveillance drones looking in your windows, families torn apart by social-engineering and economic insecurity, a cashless credit system, a grey and dirty landscape of crumbling third-world infrastructure and litter, poisoned water, toxic food, America sinking into oblivion like Atlantis, Communist China taking center stage in the world, perpetual war with no end in sight and massive exterminations of human beings. This is the future, and it already happening, and it was all planned this way. It was not an accident that just happened all by itself.
All of this was made possible by the Blue Lodge troops following orders from above. Without them doing what they are told, the elite would not have anyone to carry out their designs. So I blame the Blue Lodge, the Elks, Oddfellows, Rotary, etc, etc, just as much as the higher degrees. Low-level Nazis have always said “we were just following orders” but that just does not fly. It’s a wretched excuse.
No Lloyd, Blue Lodge masons have done exceeding harm to both themselves and the rest of the world. They should be ashamed, but most will justify their involvement to their graves.
Freemasonry is nothing more than a criminal gang syndicate, the ultimate cult, run by the elite of the elite like the Duke of Kent, that keeps its lower members in line through disinformation, terrible blood-oaths, blackmail, perks and priviledges. The mason’s first loyalty is to his lodge and their master above all else. Masons are trained in the art of deception, how to keep the secrets and how to lie with a straight face, to deny, deny, deny right into the grave. No, I would never trust a mason or even a former mason unless he publically exposed Freemasonry for what it is and faced up to the consequences, like a man. Even then, he could be dragged back in or at least further compromised by threats, so the former mason is on very shaky compromised moral ground. It is truly sickening to contemplate. That is why most masons and former masons can’t be trusted by the general populace, even or especially when they change sides.
And stop covering up for the real terrorists behind 9/11 Lloyd. The towers represented Jachin and Boaz. Now they are erecting the tallest obelisk in the world over the scene of carnage complete with reflecting pools. All masonic symbolism!
Why is there an open “unfinished” inverted pentagram in the DC street plan pointing down into the Whitehouse? Because as Goethe suggested in Faust, to allow the Luciferian energies in, to circulate through the halls of power. James Hoban, an Irish Freemason designed the Whitehouse, modeled on the High Knights Templar Lodge of Ireland, and what do you know, a very wicked and horrible Templar princeling has sat there on the throne for the past 8 years after his very evil Templar, Knight of Malta father occupied it for some 12 years as VP and president previously. And none have so expertly held “the seething powers of Lucifer” in their hands as they have. It was after all George Bush Sr who first publically revealed “the Big Idea” a “New World Order”. And 9/11 was used to push it through to completion. This is not mere opportunism. This is long-term planning coming to fruition.
And so all of DC is nothing more than a massive masonic magical diagram festooned with occult symbols. When they are through using it, they will smash it and scatter it to the four winds. So the New Atlantis, America is now sinking into the sea, on the decline because it was set up that way. No accident. It is no accident that American elites handed Communist China everything it ever wanted to our own detriment: tech transfers, massive trade deficits, all our manufacturing, even food production and a huge chunk of our national debt. This undermining of our security is the doing of the Bushes and the Rockefellers, the Skull and Bones, the Order of Death, just another Masonic organization which uses Templar symbolism. So everything from the very beginning was set up according to plan to make America the greatest superpower, use it’s people and resources as an engine for globalization and global government and then to smash it and absorb it into the global system once it’s purpose had been fulfilled.
You have a long and treacherous road to recovery from Freemasonry ahead of you Lloyd, if you ever decide to truly cut your ties with it. But you certainly will not get off easy either with your former masters or with those who know what it is really about.
Lloyd Clinton // May 4, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Wow. You truly believe this don’t you? Can you show me documented facts of what you claim? You have also ignored my past questions…….why? Is it because the answers don’t satisfy your beliefs?
pjwalker911 // May 4, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Lloyd, forget you. You are a lost soul. I’m not going to do your research for you. Just google everything I have said here and you will find what you are looking for. That is, if you aren’t too lazy to do it, but I think either you are too lazy or you already know everything I am saying is true and just want to tie me up and waste my time.
I said I felt pity for you, but now I just feel disgust.
Lloyd Clinton // May 4, 2008 at 9:20 pm
I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree. Would you like to proceed with the public debate?
Lou Smith // May 4, 2008 at 10:42 pm
pj is more right than wrong lloyd. It is hard to discover the truth but even worse if you can not accept it.
Lou Smith // May 4, 2008 at 10:43 pm
“Leave her my people lest you partake in her sins”
pjwalker911 // May 5, 2008 at 3:06 am
I have no need or desire to waste my time debating with a mentally and spiritually perverted member of a criminal cult who has no interest in the truth whatsoever.
Anyone who is a sincere truth-seeker, a freedom-fighter, an independent-thinker, a truly concerned citizen, a genuine researcher, dissident, patriot, whathaveyou, is more than welcome to ask me how I arrived at my conclusions. Please ask for specific references, links etc and I will be more than happy to provide them to you.
As for Masons and those of a that ilk, you disgust me and I find dealing with you to be very repugnant and distasteful, but one of those things I am bound to run into because of the nature of what I am doing here.
Lloyd Clinton // May 5, 2008 at 11:47 am
You didn’t answer many of my questions, and then when you get frustrated because you’re arguments don’t make sense you try and attack my character by saying you have pity on me and disgust.. For what? I would love to see your links, maybe you could convince me, maybe not.
Lou Smith // May 5, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Lloyd, I’ve been researching subjects related for forty years and don’t have all the answers. I do however know more now. I wish there had been some link or book or something to make it simple. There is no such link or book. First of all, one source would only be speculative at best. When you find enough different, unrelated sources the evidence begins to compile. We are convinced one at a time and all from different sources. I myself am some what of a skeptic. I am convinced from many historical references that the elite of the Masons are not good people. There are good people in the lower ranks. Yet just having a blind eye makes one compliant.
wil // May 5, 2008 at 4:30 pm
One must always keep asking questions and reading, listening, watching, observing, engaging.
There is no one book or link–one must read many and develop discernment. And simply watch the world around you.
In an earlier life cycle friends were concerned that I “didn’t appear to be doing anything,” and were anxious to get me looking/being busy I guess. I went through the motions of applying to grad school–and realized no one was teaching me the things I wanted to learn, and I was better off buying my own books, doing my own studies and etc and searching on my own.
Of course no nice pieces of paper to hang on the wall or put on resumes, but I couldn’t see submitting myself to future people for judgment and critiquing me who very well might be part of the problems I was trying to unravel.
matt // May 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Guess we now know why he was able to run for President. Glad I never donated.
matt // May 5, 2008 at 10:55 pm
I wanted to add-
Now they have the name of patriots who donated to his campaign.
pjwalker911 // May 6, 2008 at 7:21 pm
I did donate $100 (more if I would have had it to give) because I too thought he was “our only hope”. Now, here I am trying to shed some light on who Ron Paul actually is, rather than feeding the mythology which is controlling the vast majority of those in the truth/patriot/freedom movement.
Thanks Wil. That is what I was trying to say. To become informed, you need to do your own research from a wide variety of sources including those with whom you disagree. This way, you are able to put the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. It certainly isn’t handed out and none of us has all the answers.
As for Lloyd, he never asked me a specific question, and he never bothered to answer my specific question about Pike. He may think he is a “good man”, but he is at the very least an accessory to the coverup of this monstrous crime which is the New World Order system conceived and controlled by the Illuminati comprised of masons and other secret societies.
To earn my respect, he needs to renounce and then publically denounce Freemasonry. But I doubt he will ever do that because it requires tremendous moral courage to be a real man, to be one’s own man and think freely.
tootired // May 6, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Liberty Oak Ranch
2929 CR 32
Angleton, Texas 77515
979-864-3131
Dr. Gerald and Penny Freeman; Owners
Probably your source…
She did not say he was a member, only that he attended open meetings (which I assume means open to the public and/or non masons). You can be a member of
that particular branch if your father or grandfather were masons in good standing, and it’s not necessary to have a husband currently a member in good standing. Same goes for the girls rainbow club.
That said, her non-answer, like everyone elses, is ambiguous, deliberately misrepresenting the facts, and/or slanderous of those asking a very simple question. Seems to have been done on purpose to hide the fact that he is a mason.
We have a right to ask such questions of our public servants, and would be irresponsible to not only not ask, but to elect members of secret societies.
I’d say the odds are >80% he’s a mason, if actually he isn’t, perhaps he doesn’t wish to say either way for fear of seeming anti-masonic (he has to live with his wife you know ;). Either way, he’s compromised, not least of which is that he’s married into it, and attends their meetings.
Oh, and for all you ‘most masons are good’, this may very well be true insofar as they are good intentioned (not that you can say, as they are sworn to secrecy), but the masonic institution, at its’ roots, most assuredly is not. What would you expect of a secret society, of which so many of it’s own members have publicly stated so? The lower level members are not told the secrets, now are they? etc, ad nauseum, in any event we may ask whatever we wish, and think whatever we want about secret societies.
In addition, it is not based on the bible (I speak of the Catholic/Christian bible, most of them anyways) as is so often implied, and Catholics are forbidden to be members.
RP should have just answered the question. We will find out eventually one way or another, but it seems even a direct answer of no at this point would be suspect.
wil // May 7, 2008 at 3:44 am
Similarly–the press rolled over and played dead with Bush and Kerry on their Skull and Bones memberships during the 04 smoke and mirrors.
pjwalker911 // May 7, 2008 at 5:09 am
Well, well, well, “Too-tired”, thanks for that bit of sleuthing. I think it is pretty safe to assume that “Oak” is Pennny Freemason, oops, I mean Penny Freeman. Here is the website link for those interested, though it is a pretty goshdarn dull website.
Liberty Oak Ranch Angleton, Texas
http://libertyoakranch.com/default.aspx
This helps to legitimize the person as a real individual where before we had only the handle.
Yes, I have reaffirmed many times that I had no proof that RP was a freemason, but the fact that he went to “many” meetings makes you wonder. Made me wonder, that is for sure. So at the very least we have a candidate who is very friendly and sympathetic to Freemasons and whose wife is basically a female freemason, member of the Eastern Star, which refers to the Dog Star Sirius, associated with Lucifer and the inverted Satanic Pentagram, but nothing to worry about. Oh, what’s the harm? They are only creating the New World Order that RP is supposedly fighting against. So why worry about a little thing like this? Everybody just go back to sleep and send more money to Ron Paul, our only last desparate hope for salvation! Amen.
Yes indeed, old Penny Freemason didn’t deny saying any of what I have shared with you all here. That being said, it would seem that all points of light remain green for going down the track to expose Ron Paul as a mason himself. I feel pretty confident that the information will keep trickling in here until it becomes an undeniable fact. I just want to remind others out there reading this that we are searching for any clues or direct evidence linking Ron Paul to ANY secret society, Order, mysterious group, or whathaveyou. I smell it and I think it is only a matter of time before we have the goods on him. I have already pointed out his very intimate association with JBS, which is controlled opposition, founded by masons, Nelson Rockefeller, knights of malta and even members of the CFR! I have also pointed out the fact that RP is very friendly to the Vatican which is pushing for a New World Order and whose popes support the UN and bless the UN flag in direct contradiction to what RP is supposedly about.
Yes we do absolutely have not only a right, but an obligation to find out what secret societies our “rulers” belong to. I put it at 90% still, but could go down to 80% depending on how long this takes to uncover it. I don’t think I will ever relent from this investigation though. Something about RP is starting to stink, and it isn’t his underwear.
One thing I would correct you on is that many Catholics are masons including Cardinals and Bishops and there is even a Lodge in the Vatican itself. These distinctions do not really matter at the highest levels where Knights of Malta mingle freely with high Freemasons who are descended from the Knights Templar which was taken over by the Knights of Malta and the circle is complete.
pjwalker911 // May 7, 2008 at 5:27 am
And Penny Freemason, I am sure you can provide us with a lot more information on Ron Paul’s Masonic connections since you were his scheduler for ten years or so. So please don’t be shy about it.
What we need to know is A) at which lodges he has attended these “many” meetings. and B) which high freemasons (32 degree and above) he associates with.
doctordrewl // May 7, 2008 at 6:36 am
I think Ron Paul may have had to run with Masons to get elected in Texas. I’m sure his families connections didn’t hurt… but anybody who grows up in small town America, knows that these organizations may influence local politics, but they don’t openly discuss world domination… they usually empty kegs of beer.
I was a skeptic of Ron Paul’s until I started reading his books and statements in Congress. If you do your homework, you’ll see that Paul has been taking on the Federal Reserve system, and the concerted movement of America to the far left on the political spectrum. He’s stood by the constitution and defended Washington, Adams and Jefferson, and their desire to avoid foreign entanglements… His record is rock solid… Honestly… if you read enough… you’ll get sick of it… he sounds like a broken record…. and it’s always about civil liberties and following the US Constitution… if that’s at the heart of his Masonic mission… I’m confused.
It was reported today that a major topic at the Rockafeller-funded Trilateral Commissions annual meeting was “the problem with Ron Paul.” Apparently the Trilats are not happy about Ron Paul teaching an entire new generation about the truths of American Politics. They have made it part of their agenda to get him out of the GOP race and end his political influence….” This apparently was up their with their desire to futher tax Americans for the war and to push oil over $200 a barrel.
So… Mason or No Mason… He’s pissing off the elite.
pjwalker911 // May 7, 2008 at 5:18 pm
doctordrewl, astute comments, but the fact is he isn’t pissing them off that much or they would have framed him for something or rigged elections against him or taken him out like they did with the Kennedys, Dr King and Paul Wellstone, who really pissed them off.
No, Ron Paul has lead a very long and comfortable, congenial carreer in congress and was always very deferential and frankly wimpy on the floor even when he was criticizing his opposition.
Before I had decided to vote for Ron Paul, I watched him for a few years and never got very excited about him because he was so lukewarm and wimpy. Later, when he entered the race he picked up and sharpened his rhetoric a little and started sounding more forceful. That wasn’t the reason I decided to support him though. The main reasons were his stances against the war, being pro-liberty and against the FED/IRS.
People say he is “rock solid” and “consistent”. Yeah, after a quarter century in Congress he has been consistently ineffective at stopping any New World Order programs which have just multiplied and expanded under his watch.
There is a difference between words and fruits and frankly Ron Paul has nothing to be proud of in the fruit department, not that anyone else in the do-nothing congress should be proud either. And I do very strongly believe that a Freemason cannot be trusted to fight against the Masonic New World Order. Anyone who thinks that is a dern fool. And I do still believe strongly that he is a mason based on the fact that his wife is currently an Eastern Star according to Penny Freeman quoted above, and what’s worse is that he is hiding this fact from his supporters, many of whom are smart enough to know about the treachery of Freemasonry and know better than to trust masons. And one powerful confirmation that he is a mason is that he is the preferred candidate among Republican Freemasons according to the Burning Taper poll.
What I believe about Ron Paul is simply this: he is, like his associates in JBS, an agent of Freemasonry, acting as controlled opposition to neutralize the real opposition, the real truth movement, the real freedom movement. He is doing a good job of that having taken in the majority of the entire truth/freedom/patriot/etc movement, herding them all together under one roof. That I will hand to him, that he did accomplish the control over the opposition which is to be managed, toned down, compromised and eventually neutralized. That is Ron Paul’s forte’ and that will be the legacy he leaves behind.
Mark my words a few years from now as America gets flushed down the toilet.
But you see, this was the Plan all along the way for centuries. To use the “New World” as the “New Atlantis” to bring about a Novus Ordo Seclorum, a “New World Order” announced by George Bush Sr, but carried out by his fellow masons since the birth of this country. Once they were done using it, then it would be gradually dismantled and that is why the elites (who are all masonic, that is members of one order or another) have continued to sell America out on all fronts after having invested in it and made it the leading superpower by WWII. Now all that goes away as we the commonors get screwed in every conceivable way.
I know all this is very hard to take. It is hard for me to say, but it is all true. It is a very unpopular view that I hold, and so I stand mostly alone and face a lot of heat for it, but I sincerely believe everything I have said in this post.
wil // May 7, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Meanwhile the UN Secretary General will be hitting the highlights in Atlanta–our pro China globalist Governor, the Earth Hour Mayor, CDC, and a soirée with the Council of “Elders” at the Carter Center. Local news just had brief offhand comment which was first I’d heard about it. However–plenty on the UN website, which I guess I’ll have to add to my daily reading–moan.
Lloyd Clinton // May 7, 2008 at 7:10 pm
PJ, do you consider yourself a Christian? How about a Patriot?
Lloyd Clinton // May 7, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Oh yeah, if you want to see what Pike really said, go here: http://www.masonicdictionary.com/pike.html
tootired // May 7, 2008 at 10:33 pm
wil,
No doubt, brother.
Bush 1: skull and bones (known as magog no less, and his family is married into the walkers, more skull and bones), Clinton, mason affiliated club, CFR, Rhodes, and whatever else, Bush 2 skull and bones (known as ‘temporary’) running against Kerry (another skull and bones devil worshiper, married into the Heinz family, more skull and bones, don’t know what his nickname was though). Mentioned ONCE, by another player, on Meet the Press. It’s planned insanity.
I don’t even want to think about the UN right now…
Concerning the Liberty Oak Ranch b.s. It’s a dead end. They’ll keep their secrets and abuse the ‘you’ve no absolute proof, therefore I’m innocent’ ruse.
RP is a shill at worst, and at best, someone who might have done some good had he had any chance at all of getting elected, which at this point and time in U.S. history is laughable (remember even stephanapolus, said ‘no way in hell’ on national tv, then the ‘what makes you think you’re at all electable’ during the debates, the lack of press coverage etc. etc. etc.) .
RP has a great voting record, is against the IRS and Fed Reserve, which is great (won’t speak out about 911, but I guess he values his life more, or that’d be going too far), exactly like a good shill should be, but he has been wholly and entirely ineffective.
Whatever RP is or isn’t concerning secret societies is moot at this point, really. He’s not getting elected, am I correct? We maybe lost some time and effort and money supporting him, shill or last place in the horse race not withstanding.
We have to start over.
Oh, by the way, it is not true that Catholics can be freemasons, or any other secret society or member of any organisation that contradicts Jesus Christ. There’s no masonic lodge at the vatican (plenty of questionable pagan art and architecture, however) That’s not to say there aren’t any, but they ex-communicate or “gravely sin” by doing so.
Yeah, there are lots and lots of bad people in the church, but what, without offering excuses, do you expect out of more than a billion humans…
Lloyd Clinton: it’s not our fault they lied to you.
I’d go into it, but i’m tootired of this for the moment .
wil // May 8, 2008 at 12:47 am
All this stuff wears me out too–ha.
And I keep digging.
Lloyd Clinton // May 8, 2008 at 1:57 am
Making up drivel about things I am ignorant of would tire me out also. You want to convince me, but you leave so many of my questions ignored…why? Probably because they don’t fit your needs and arguments…
pjwalker911 // May 8, 2008 at 2:09 am
Lloyd: Oh, are you questioning my patriotism? That’s okay. “A patriot is a scarce man, hated and scorned.” Well, I fit that criteria well enough. I definitely do not take popular stands, but take the stand that I deem to be the true one regardless of what others may think, say or do.
The opposite of a patriot is a traitor. I do not fit that description because I do not betray anyone, especially not my countrymen. A traitor betrays his own people. I just tell them the truth. Instead of going along to get along, I warn them of the dangers ahead. If they hate me for it, I can do nothing about that.
As for my religion, I have none. I do not belong to any religion, cult, club, organization, secret society or political party (anymore… though I was a libertarian).
I am sure that doesn’t satisfy you, but this is the answer to your question: no I am not a Christian (nor am I simply an atheist which is just another lable) and yes, I am a patriot who wishes only well on his country, the land, the people and yet, I believe our system is destructive and corrupt to the core and to its highest levels (because of secret societies like Freemasonry, Skull and Bones, Jesuits et al), and must be radically altered in order to be of real benefit to Americans and others. In fact we desparately need a revolution of knowledge and understanding in this country that is impeded by the secret societies which control all the major institutions.
pjwalker911 // May 8, 2008 at 3:05 am
You see Lloyd, if you ask a specific question in the right way, you get a specific answer in return. Works better than demanding whole pages of sources and bibliographies or casting aspersions. Ask me a single question or ask for a single reference and I am glad to provide it.
wil // May 8, 2008 at 3:46 am
When I was a child 2001 A Space Odyssey came out and like oh wow–the future! Then in high school it was believed when 2000 came it would be the Age of Aquarius.
Still waiting–ha. Though I now realize it can’t be waited on–it has to be seized, nurtured, and defended.
And all the BS on Mayans and 2012–predictive social engineering of mass expectations.
pjwalker911 // May 8, 2008 at 8:06 am
I don’t believe any of these dates control human society. What controls society is the elite occultists (masons etc) using these dates and ages to schedule out their very long term agendas because they are inbred psychopaths for the most part who are happy to work to a meglomaniacal super plan which gives them a sense of superiority and power over the “profane” (that’d be you and me chum).
pjwalker911 // May 8, 2008 at 8:08 am
Lloyd: According to your own reference Pike does not deny that “Masonry is identical with the Ancient Mysteries” meaning the “mystery religions” of Babylon, Egypt, Greece and Rome. He merely laments the fact that this mystery religion has been altered over time and that it doesn’t match quite the power and grandeur of those ancient cultures where pharaohs and caesars were worshipped as gods.
He also, according to your reference, does not deny that “Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion” and that “its teachings are instructions on religion”. Most masons claim that Masonry is not a relgion, only a private charitable club, but here is the great expositor, “MASTER GENIUS OF MASONRY” according to your reference, explaining that it is indeed a religion. Then goes on to say it is about mercy, truth, devotedness etc, but he notes that it is “here” in the lodge where these things are practiced primarily, between bretheren of the order. The Masonic Skull and Bonesmen treat each other with the utmost kindness and helpfulness, but the fact remains that their motto is: “A Bonesman before all others” which indicates where their true loyalties lie.
Funny that you decide to use Pike’s quotes when earlier you claimed he wasn’t that smart and was in error. But that is typical Masonic logic! Haha.
Every Mason who vehemently denies that Freemasonry is a religion is either a liar or an ignorant dupe as all Masons are one or the other.
quazimodo // May 8, 2008 at 4:56 pm
well said pj
Lloyd Clinton // May 8, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Everything is open to personal interpretation isn’t it?
pjwalker911 // May 8, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Masonic relativism Lloyd, the logic of a snake in the grass.
pjwalker911 // May 8, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Cheers QM..*clink*
Lloyd Clinton // May 8, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Do you ever see the light of day?
pjwalker911 // May 9, 2008 at 3:37 am
You mean the light of Sirius (“Eastern Star”) and of Lucifer don’t you Lloyd?
Nope, and don’t want it neither. Y’all masons can have it.
I prefer the natural light of the truth.
Lloyd Clinton // May 9, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Isaiah 14:
[1] For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
[2] And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
[3] And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
[4] That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
[5] The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
[6] He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
[7] The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
[8] Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
[9] Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
[10] All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
[11] Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
[16] They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
[17] That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
[18] All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
[19] But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
[20] Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
[21] Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
[22] For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
[23] I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
[24] The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
[25] That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
[26] This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
[27] For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
[28] In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
[29] Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
[30] And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
[31] Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
[32] What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.
That is the only place in the Christian Bible where you find the name Lucifer. How can you take what is said above to mean Satan?
Lloyd Clinton // May 9, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Masonic Creed:
Freemasonry teaches the universal principle of unselfish friendship and promotes those moral precepts which are in keeping with all great faiths. In pursuing this doctrine, the following, though not exclusive, is considered to be basic:
Masonic Beliefs:
Mankind was create by one God.
This one God is the author of all life.
God’s existence is revealed to man through faith and the Book of Holy Scriptures.
The Book of Holy Scriptures is the Ultimate Authority or Great Light of Freemasonry.
The soul of man is immortal.
Man’s commitment to Divine Providence determines his destiny.
Man’s reverence for God is best exemplified by his actions toward his fellow man.
Considering the universality of Freemasonry; its teachings cannot be defined in any single statement or established profile. The following is considered to be representative of its fundamental precepts and constitutes basic:
Man’s first duty is to love and revere God, implore His aid in all laudable undertakings, and seek His guidance through prayer, embrace and practice the tenets of religion, extend charity and sympathy to all mankind, shield and support the widow and orphan, defend virtue, respect the aged, honor the bonds of friendship, protect the helpless, lift up the oppressed, comfort the downcast, restore dignity to the rejected, respect the laws of government, promote morality, and add to the common stock of knowledge and understanding.
wil // May 9, 2008 at 5:05 pm
“[8] Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.”
Given today’s news–guess we need to keep working on that one.
As for truth– 3 years ago I was telling people that I knew I was collecting clues–I just didn’t know what the mystery(s) was (were) I was trying to uncover.
Lloyd Clinton // May 9, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Have you yet to discover the mystery?
Lloyd Clinton // May 9, 2008 at 5:29 pm
What is meant by the York Rite Masonry?
York Rite Masonry is the Christian Route of Masonry following the teaching of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who said , “Suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.”
wil // May 9, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Not specifically. ;-) Enough to know to keep looking and thinking.
wil // May 9, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Though when I said “mystery” we may be thinking different things. Tricky thing about words and definitions and meanings.
Peeling the onion layers and all through our respective minds and experiences.
wil // May 9, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Maybe it’s my Zen Vulcan sense of understatement.
Lloyd Clinton // May 10, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Did I get my point across so well that no one cares to rebut?
wil // May 11, 2008 at 5:30 am
Or it’s the weekend?
Lou // May 11, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Those who have a candle to shed “great light” on truth, don’t hide under a bush. Or under an oath of secrecy.
Lloyd Clinton // May 12, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I have taken several oaths, none of the secret so I don’t know what you refer to, please enlighten me.
Lou // May 12, 2008 at 2:34 pm
It is the spirit that dwells within which will enlighten. You have the choice to test the spirit and yet you only vex and test the patients of truth.
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 2:01 am
Lloyd, if your oaths were not secret, can you tell us about them?
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 2:25 am
Ask and ye shall receive…what would you like to know?
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 2:30 am
Just tell us about your oaths. To whom did you swear them? What did you vow to do and not do? What is the consequence of breaking your oaths? What was the context in each ritual? What degrees are the oaths associated with? And anything else you want to add.
AreWeFreeOrWhat // May 13, 2008 at 4:49 am
IF this B.S. about Ron Paul were true, then it would have been a sure win for the lame stream media to let Ron Paul into all of the debates and would not have been an issue for them to suppress is run for office. I believe this is a smear campaign. And again even if this B.S. were true, he is still the best available candidate by far.
marxistsocialist // May 13, 2008 at 4:57 am
Ron Paul might not be a mason, however he is a capitalist, in favor of privatization of state corporations and in favor of free market bourgeoise. The economic system that increases poverty, and concentrates wealth in a few
Kerry Bindon // May 13, 2008 at 5:02 am
This revelation con firms my intuition that he was actually running dead and had no intention of upsetting any apple cart, just a pressure cooker valve to let off steam with out blowing the lid…..
Paul // May 13, 2008 at 5:02 am
SO WHAT. Get a life and get on board or go F__ you___ dude. The world is full of retards with agendas. The Dem and GOP are two third brain dead and you are tossing shit.
ESAD
Jonathan // May 13, 2008 at 5:23 am
My Grandfather was a Mason. Does that make him him a NWO goon? No. My point is 99% of Masons have no idea what is going on in their organization.
jesus incarnate // May 13, 2008 at 5:36 am
my grandfather was a freemason but i can guaruntee he had nothing to do with the nwo. probably the same as ron paul. not every mason is in on the big picture, it takes millions to deflect from the people who are. i am ashamed of rense for putting this out (the site i read it on) it is like saying ALL catholic priests a pedophiles, it simply doesn’t work that way. are many joining the priesthood to prey on boys, probably. but that in no way makes the whole organizations agenda to rape young boys. it is a silly simple minded article from simply simple perspectives. because it is orange doesn’t make it an orange. it just may be a tangerine…
jesus incarnate // May 13, 2008 at 5:39 am
hey jonathan you beat me to it, but you are exactly right… touche
Laurent // May 13, 2008 at 5:44 am
So what, what if? Then how about him being way, way down, far behind all the others as “The lesser of the Evils!” In fact he would be on the very bottom.
Commander Z // May 13, 2008 at 5:51 am
The Masons are a Jew run organization. Pillars of Solomon….Hello.
Ron Paul quotes the Jew Communist Trotsky…..Hello.
Jews did 911 and all world wars. Ron Paul is a Jew Stooge for the Jew Gold cartels. Make your dependent on gold and you got Jew control…..hello.
Jews are now going to bring you Jew Great Great Depression II and Jew World War III.
Anyone who votes for ANY of the Jew Stooge candidates now running for president does not have the sense God gave a goose and you should get out the front door of your house immediately and get out of this country. You are as stupid as you look and are traitors.
If you vote you are giving the Jews a sign you are ready for Jew Kosher Ritual Slaughter.
Jews hate freedom of Speech. See how long this stays up.
http://www.Jews-Did-911.com
jesus incarnate // May 13, 2008 at 5:55 am
commander z you are a douchebag. blame the jews, those horned bastards. it shows your ignorance. but it is the playbook for the masons and nwo.ers who are in charge… divide and conquer. they use religion to divide us. some are jews some are christians some are catholics whatever. it is (religion) there tool to keep us from uniting and slaying the beast.
wake up before its too late!
Rabbit // May 13, 2008 at 6:08 am
The first thing i thought upon reading your comment, PJ, was that you never were a RP supporter. Your comments about Paul are straight out of the media talking points and show you for a fraud.
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 6:18 am
Rabbit, that’s pure BS. I gave money to the campaign and was telling everybody I knew to support Ron Paul, here on this blog an in my daily life and was briefly a member of the local RP meetup until I started having doubts and raising questions which nobody wanted to hear. Gradually, I started learning things about him that made me change my mind, so I stopped supporting him. That’s it and screw you.
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 6:22 am
There are alot of wanton walkers who’s job it is to come up with this stuff. My own guess is he’s a psyops side show, created to scoop up the disjointed stragglers.
I could be wrong. It seems anything is possible these years, but the people in government are highly intelligent and resourceful and can play the good guy just as easily act stupid. They have all the bases covered.
jesus incarnate // May 13, 2008 at 6:25 am
pj, yo are right on several levels, but i think you got it wrong. if ron was a mason they never let him in. he is way 2 principled. they may let him troll around the organization to cull political support but he is deffinately not a high level (in on it) mason. he would have never brought up the arguments he did. he’s got a whole eneration of followers that the masons would never let know the things he teaches. so his wife and my grandad were masons, it is hard to imagine all –however many million masons there are out there are in on it…it just aint happening.
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 6:26 am
I disassociate myself from Commander Z’s comments. This is not about Jew bashing.
jesus incarnate // May 13, 2008 at 6:27 am
cheers 5 smooth, i bet your right on track…
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 6:32 am
This psyops stuff about me is pure BS. It is ridiculous. I went to the Daily Paul. Found the comment by Penny Freeman (“oak”) his scheduler for ten years, put together the fact that Eastern Star members are generally married to Freemasons and simply posted it here for the purpose of discussion which is exactly what has happened with it. And I am not apologizing for mistrusting Freemasons. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the NWO, knows that it is a Masonic agenda.
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 6:33 am
Which is kinda saddening.
MikeyByTheBay // May 13, 2008 at 6:44 am
Wow! A politician is photographed at a Jesuit University giving a speech so he must be a freemason. What does that say about my dentist who graduated from there? That’s about as scary is the debunked reports of Ron Paul being a racist. If that’s that best dirt you can dig up on him, we should count our lucky stars. Rightly or wrongly, Ron Paul does not buy into conspiracy theories as a rule. That keeps the controlled media from targeting him and his supporters as “kooks.” You won’t find a more vocal opponent to the Federal Reserve and their warmongering ways than Ron Paul, mason or not (not all masons are the Illuminati). Rainbow Girls? Gimme a break. I say shoddy work, dude!
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:45 am
Maybe a New World Order isn’t such a bad idea after all. Our Republic has failed. Communism is a failure. Democracy sure dosen’t work. Religion is on the way out. Seems like the only system that works is Consumerism.
Anyhow, where does one join the New World Order? Or, are we just slowly absorbed into it? –jws
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 6:52 am
Mikey,
If you trust masonic politicians, you are an idiot, or you are one of them. In fact America is a ship of fools that is sinking as the Masonic elite laugh at us, all the way to the bank.
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 6:54 am
JWS, another idiot. In fact most of you posting her are idiots.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:57 am
Who’s this “her” you’re referring too? Can you refute anything I have written? Maybe “her” can. ;-) –jws
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 7:03 am
The Republic failed because it was meant to fail. The masons are done using it, and like Bush says, they see the Constitution as just a GD piece of paper to wipe their asses with. This goes back to Master Mason Hellfire member Franklin’s little joke about “we have given you a republic…if you can keep it.” and I am sure he said it with a grin and a wink.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:06 am
…as a matter of fact, the Masons (an off-shoot of the Illuminatti) have a pretty good idea in one area; the reduction of the world population by about 5/6 of current numbers. One billion souls would be much more manageable, donchathink? –jws
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:08 am
…and why are you conversing with an idiot? –jws
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 7:15 am
No matter how many people they bury, the NWO won’t last. If it is as the people say, “nothing but a political parasitic host”. Then it will collapse apon itself like a rabid dog feeding on it’s own legs. Be it only a day or ten thousand year reign, it’s paranoid moments will eat away at it’s foundation. One look at Mr. Dinosaur engraved into a rock must be a reminder to all. The only thing set in stone is the fossil. The system is nothing but a mafia.
jesus incarnate // May 13, 2008 at 7:17 am
i know you didn’t ask me but idiots are easier to talk to, just sayin’
but i think a billion is still too high a number to manage. they want far less
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:24 am
You’re probably right, ji. A billion is still a large number. It depends on how many servants are needed for the “chosen”.
I wonder if Enki knew how much trouble would ensue by genetically creating human beings?
Perhaps we should burn an effigy of Ninhursag in protest of an experiment gone bad… –jws
we as amerukans // May 13, 2008 at 7:30 am
I was a RP supporter, vehemently. I was one of the ones fighting for truth on all the sites.
My first indication that something was wrong was when I donated money to his campaign, you are able to post comments to his site. Now, please know they had all sorts of mindless drivel on there that was permitted to post. All I said in mine was thank you for fighting for truth and maybe you should look further into 9/11 truth. This comment was not allowed to be posted on his site.
Then of course, the ronpaulforums: They promptly moved any news items that were posted to a hidden part of the site that nobody visited, you had to log in and then search subforums, basically completely hidden. They did this all the way until I stopped going there for the same reason. Literally within maybe two minutes, any news item was moved to make room for mindless cheerleading or basically any sort of worthless posts were allowed to stay. I remember my “turning point” of stoping trying to keep posting news items on the site, was there was a post about whether you would rather date Jessica Biehl or Jessica “someone” (Simpson?) – I don’t recall but it was totally worhtless, and responses were several pages long. I posted to the worthless thread to point out how rediculous it was that posts about any worthy news items (HR.R 1955 was the big one around that time, as well as coutless assaults on liberty by the current nazi regime) were moved and this post was allowed to go on and on. The author of the post actually had the nerve to tell me to lighten up and he said it also helped that he was friends with the top moderator. That was about it for me.
Every now and then, I’d peak in and half the page would be “Moved: such and such news item”….it was akin to a total psyop. And yes, there were proud freemasons all over the place on there. Conspiracy theories, as they called the news, had no place among the RP brethren, according to them. I can only imagine how many truth-seekers ran into a brick wall there as I did.
Then RP backstabbed us on the Glen Beck show, the same show whose host had called his supporters dangerous “terrorists” not a week or two before that.
Then of course, his decision to stay in the Republican party, and to put all his supporters work to shame by “suspending” the pres. campaign to win his congressional seat.
His myspace page also started censoring posts and deleting truth-seekers. People who were seeking a new revolution were quickly disappeared from the ranks.
The people who say he is two-faced are completely correct. He hardly said anything when the media blackballed him, when the vote fraud took all his votes.
I agree completely with the poster who said his purpose in this election was to corral all the truth-seekers safely away from the NWO candidates.
It is also my opinion the Jesuits are the top rung, the masons are their puppets. Same with the Jews, and the poster above me who says the Jews don’t have anything to do with this: Rothschilds – find out who theey are. they are also the Vatican bankers. The Vatican also had Hitler’s back, they signed the concordat (Cardinal Gelli then becamse Hitler’s pope – pius 12) right before WW2 commenced. Stalin, Roosevelt also Jews, as well as Hitler. They own the banks and the media – how could any person with eyes to see be blind to this? When all the smoke clears the world government will be based on the kaballah/mystery religions, with a pope or the “King of England” or both – or perhaps a false Jewish messiah ruling from Jerusalem (the beast, the son of perdition, the anti-christ, whatever you want to call this “thing”). I guess its all part of God’s plan, that these end timers all are of one mind. It says they all gave over their kingdoms to rule with the beast for ONE HOUR. Seems like a crappy trade to me.
TRUTH AND LOVE FOREVER
PS – I’m sure there are some good “Jews”, some good catholics. Also I wouldn’t trust any of the alternative websites these days either. Rense is about the only one left that hasn’t compromised themselves. Alex Jones never has a peep about the names or societies behind this thing. Michael rivero at whatreallyhappened has poisoned the 911 truth movement, has declared war on true Christians, and has ignored everything I’ve sent him about the Jesuits, the masons and all the secret societies’ real aims. you will never see this guy name names, and I trust him less every single day)
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 7:30 am
Ahhh, the tree of line.
Nature tends to rebel at cross breeding.
The Annunaki had fun with DNA , while it lasted.
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 7:32 am
(Somewhere down the road, it got called “Tree of Life”) too many idiots going with it.
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 7:41 am
I’m sorry if I’m posting too much on this site.
I can’t be bothered to change my title name, but I hate going to the places where the bloggers seem to wane from the subject at hand and simple steal each others thunder.
I do enjoy reading what the people around the world have to say. It’s nice to know that alot of the people in person and on the web are not afraid to voice an opinion. Let’s just keep our minds clear. It’s great that you all go out of our way sometimes, and the effort is much appreciated.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:44 am
Shades of Aleister Crowley’s Minutum Mundum, 5SS. Perhaps Ron Paul got himself trapped in Chapel Perilous.
I wonder if there will be any RP Signs at the Republican Convention? –jws
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 7:55 am
Flying rods? Hospitals use them.
Guess they figure it’s the place to use the symbol for deaths door, hell.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 8:03 am
Well, I guess there’s still no actual proof of RP’s Masonhood.
Being a member in good standing of the Brotherhood of the NTR (the Watchers), I must now go and do my “watching” elsewhere… –jws
Gim // May 13, 2008 at 8:05 am
I think everyone ought to check our bipolar.org and check out the mood disorder section on the far right. The 9/11 truth movement / Ron Paul for Pres movement / masonic conspiracy movement has converged into one mentally delayed entity.
I have contributed to the data of the 9/11 movement, supported and continue to support Ron Paul and I have involvement in a masonic movement that would make the knights templar you know seem like the play room at a local McDonald’s. I would die for freedom. I would take a bullet rather than pay a carbon tax and sure as PLUTO is warming right now while moving further AWAY from the sun and as sure as Mars’ polar ice caps are melting I worship the ultimate supreme being of our existance. The creator of all that is, was, ever will be. The most high, the holiest of holes. The begining and end to all that is, was ever will be. All religions are lies. Only the creator of creators, God of gods is the truth. No matter your stripe, you are under him and know of him and fear answering to him and form cliques that mutually exclude all truth that is hard to digest. Like it or not evil has been winning a long time but will lose in the end. you will eat each other for food as you will infight and lose the ultimate goal of your common concern.
You folks are losing and its very sad to see evil in your own ranks winning.
The masonic movement has been hijacked to some degree, yes for certain, but there’s a good stripe to the highest level. Money has become a problem as operating expenses get redefined as well as creative accountants change fee structures, initiatives etc. The masons WERE INDEED good, did indeed source out knowledge that would have ripped the fabric of faith allowing evil to win far too soon. All is not what you think or I think. Just remember who is the ultimate boss and don’t let your religious interfaces come between you and him. He rules the cosmic and is all good things to all good people but also likes to witness a good clash of the misaligned.
STOP THE INFIGHTING. Stop being the bigots you are becoming. You will one day thank the holders of celestial secrets for the secrets that saved your existence from the ultimate “killing joke(s)”. As you were!
Gim
Gim // May 13, 2008 at 8:07 am
LOL Holiest of holies… NOT HOLES!!! Bad keyboard!(old timer’s chiclet keyboard)
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 8:18 am
May I add to what ‘we as Amerukans ‘ mentioned on the owner of the site- whatreallyhappened.
I too have never recieved a reply from Mike. Whether he actually bothers to read them, could be the case.
I want to let his fellow athiests know that God allows the rain to fall on the good and bad and don’t think Sunday Church goers ,as Pat Robertson has proven himself to be, get a free pass for simply calling themselves true beleivers .
Athiests have a friend in satanists, but are seen as whinners. To megaphone hoisting athiests, there simply is no God if bad things happen in life. Specifically to them.
I think it’s still important that they realize not all Christians are finger pointers who can’t wait to get to heaven. Living it up while lost souls scream in hell. The very thought of this makes me cringe. Bush might as well be standing next to Christ.
America’s evangelicals are ignoring the signs and it’s TV ministers are telling viewers to carry on as if nothing is the matter, telling them all to buy bigger cars (that Jesus himself would drive) andthey will stay happy. This time more than ever the church should be vigilant.
Testing the spirits can make us wiser than serpents. We just have to know how to look.
JoeySmith // May 13, 2008 at 8:27 am
Doesn’t matter whether he is a freemason , he was streets ahead of the other candidates.
If he was a prominent mason why didn’t his buddies in the cult give him some more limelight?
Not everyone in these orders is evil.
Jer // May 13, 2008 at 8:45 am
To the few “My Grandfather was…”. The point here isn’t that your grandfathers were evil men. Just that they were more than likely helping fund/contribute to something that, at the true core, wasn’t aligned with the values you knew them as having because of ignorance. That’s the cause for conern and a real clincher because…
The way all these systems are webbed together, I can assure you we’re all responsible in some way or another of funding this madness, and we probably acted through that same ignorance as Grandpa- Mason or not. The point is, asking questions like what’s the deal with Ron Paul shouldn’t make everyone upset… Why do you think it does?? Because beliefs become emotional, and that taints logic*. *(Yes, logic alone is just as bad… IMHO it’s about balance. Something I wish we all had more of in our lives.)
The control freaks win because the more tough questions like this aren’t asked or even talked about, the longer their rule. That’s the real evil, to insinuate that it’s ridiculous to speculate on some(any)thing, even if one is totally and completely wrong or seems maniacal. The truth stands on it’s own as they say. We should be more concerned with our own searches and helping other not just refining their views to fit our mold- Give out what nuggets you have, or if nothing other than it seems wrong, just say you’re not feeling it, and be on the way. Where’s all the harm in that? I know, pie in the sky, but yeah, oh well…
I was the same as the author of this thread, contributing to Paul’s campaign before one day, very randomly I remembered the line from the documentary “Money Masters” to be weary of anyone trying to bring back a gold standard: exactly what Mr. Paul wants to do. There are now many other things that are being mentioned that are making me wonder more. At the same point there’s a lot of his history that confuses me due to it’s authenticity (IE: congress voting record, view on Fed/IRS, etc.). But it was best stated as this by tootired: “Whatever Ron Paul is or isn’t concerning secret societies is moot at this point, really.”
We need to all become aware that these kind of things happen, and not just scoff at people for being “conspiracy theorists” (Even if they seem way out there! If they can form a paragraph, read it- these days a sentence is a rarity…). We all need to get more involved, and take back our power as mentioned above. Though that’s a lot easier said, than done- I commend those taking the action they can, and hope the focus on these kind of things intensify to the point where NOBODY can ignore it. At the moment I am (temporarily) feeling very defeated… I think anyone who is a ‘typical consumer’ type- once they realize the difference between dependence (what others make that keeps you alive) and independence (what you make that keeps you alive) would sympathize with that feeling. Good thing there’s all this free knowledge on the net to make those personal changes once you see them. (see the P.S.)
Now if you’ve made it this far, here’s this then I’m done: Personally, I think there’s a chance Ron Paul might be a freemason. He’s no doubt a smart guy, getting to where he is today. Maybe he’s “one of them… Or maybe he just likes breathing. You don’t have to be “in on it” to help these guys out. Ron Paul said himself that he didn’t think his campaign would have a good base right from the start (look for the interview with Larry King that never got aired, I believe he mentions that there). It had me wondering the whole time- is he on a joy ride? Just one of those things. Ron Paul knows who Ron Paul is. Just like you’re the only one that knows the real you. Now, if we could all just define freedom for ourselves and quit buying stickers and license plates touting our ignorance. That would be something- wouldn’t it?
Thanks,
-Jer
P.S. Start a garden!!! Talk to your neighbors, see if they already have one, exchange seeds, ideas… Create something that creates something that creates something else! (Please.)
Redzone // May 13, 2008 at 9:12 am
Freemasons as whole, are not part of the NWO. However, there are some Freemasons who are involved in the NWO. There is way too much conspiracy directed towards them, because they have secret meetings. The real purpose of the Freemasons is to have a trusting group of poeple to trade services with. In other words, if you want to have a service done for you, do you want somebody you know you can trust(by using secret handshake) or do you want to gamble and possibly get screwed.
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 9:28 am
Bullshit Redzone.
kuk // May 13, 2008 at 9:39 am
funny how the masons think someone should thank them for keeping knowledge from everyone else, what a crock
Anthony Clifton // May 13, 2008 at 9:48 am
Read the difinitons in Mackey’s Encyclopedia {1921} for – 1] Assassin. 2] Babylon. 3]Cativity. & THINK.
Stefan // May 13, 2008 at 9:52 am
I did a little searching, but in a different way. If you want to search individual sites for stuff in the future just type this into google: imlookingfor site:siteurl
ie: ron paul site: aftermathnews.wordpress.com
I found this other poster on dailypaul who did a full forum quote on what liberty oak tree said. Pasted everything they said. Interestingly even that when clicked on leaves an access denied. Read here – http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gkJoLnbPoYoJ:www.dailypaul.com/node/46429+Quit+using+Ron+Paul+as+a+forum+for+your+bigotted+beliefs.+You+don%E2%80%99t+know+anything+about+him+or+his+ideals+obviously+site:dailypaul.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
You might also be interested on this article I wrote on obama, mccain, and clinton.
http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/buyer-beware/
Dachsie // May 13, 2008 at 10:13 am
I appreciate this posting and the subsequent comments.
I think wanting to find the truth about whether Ron Paul is now or ever has been any level of Freemason is a perfectly fine endeavor. Thanks for clearing up your comment about the 33rd degree comment, PJ.
Can’t wait to check out Quasi’s links. Could there be photos of Dr. Paul giving the el cornuto sign?
Ron Paul is stating the way our U.S.A. was supposed to work. For that, I greatly appreciate him and his candidacy. Most people have lost complete sight of how freedom for individuals is supposed to work in a constitutional republic.
I do not at all appreciate RP’s comments about 9-11 and sure would like some documentation of his telling someone that he would support a new investigtion.
I am a Christian raised as a Roman Catholic. I see Christianity, ALL forms of, as having been infiltrated by Satanic (Freemasonic or whatever word you choose) forces since the beginning of time. “Christianity” actually began in the garden of eden.
Satan is the prince of this world.
No president can save the U.S.A. I believe we have already lost our republic. We indivdiuals just need to fight and speak up for truth and freedom however we can, whereever we can.
This is a fallen world and the bible says there will be a one world government. We are well on our way to that. I look up with hope and joy because my “redemption draweth nigh”.
The only hope and peace and love for any individual on this earth for this life and the life of the world to come is Jesus Christ. He is the One Who is Truth. Truth exists in no other, no human being, no human system, no self.
I hope each person will search and find the Truth. He said He would split up family relationships and that His followers would experience persecution in this world. As James says, count it all joy.
5 Smooth Stones // May 13, 2008 at 10:29 am
Done a little searching on leader Ron Paul.
It’s a toss up. I’ll leave it to God to judge his motivations. But a blinding light may be showing.
Given a choice, would one rather have as a neighbor someone who does not care for you in his heart but his behaviour is nonetheless correct? Or the thief who does care, but supports secretive foundations, kicks your dog and swears at you and your children?
How much is Paul involved in the Masonic order?
100percenttruth // May 13, 2008 at 10:47 am
Makes sense that he’s a freemason actually. The only way to change a system that was created to oppress us is to do away with that system. That means no more central government, no more tax, no more fiat money, no more control by bureaucrats at any level. It is sad that we continually look up to leaders to save us. You KNOW it’s the truth. Change starts at home. Stop being followers. Grow your own food. Get out of the cities if you want to survive.
Rob // May 13, 2008 at 12:00 pm
My perspective on Ron Paul was that he was too good to be true. The simple matter of fact that things are so tightly controlled on who gets into power, it does not surprise me that Ron is most likely a Free Mason.
I wrote a book that will wipe away any illusions you may hold concerning Government and Law. Basically these actors are totally controlled puppets and do not represent the people at all, but imaginary corporations created by the Government, hence the all cap names on everything. If you want to know the truth, download my book at:
http://www.freedomfiles.org/extortion.pdf
Rob
Lasher // May 13, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I am not a freemason. I do like Ron Paul and think he is one of only a hand full of decent politicians. If it proves out that he is a freemason, it by no means proves that he is evil. The vast majority of people who are “freemasons” are good decent people. They are completely unaware of the dark undertones that the members of the highest order 33rd degree and higher “might” be exposed to. For the most part, most freemason lodges are ver similar to Knights of Columbus or Elks lodges. They may perform a mock ritual or two as an initiation for new members but there is no malcontent or underlying conspiracy. I know several people who are freemasons and they are all genuinely good upstanding people. they are ignorant to any “illuminati’ darkness. I personally think that this is the case with any “institution” that becomes a powerful representation of a large number of the populace. Whether it is a business, religion or other social club, once they demonstrate that they weild a certain level of clout over the populace, then those in power (ruling elite, NWO, illuminati or whatever you want to define them as) are only interested in the highest levels of the organization not at the local level. These people want for nothing as they have all the wealth that they can possibly need. What they want is “CONTROL” and “POWER”. You don’t do that from the bottom, middle or near the top. You only achieve that at the very highes levels which are so concealed and isolated for their own preservation.
Everyone else is ignorant to it all for the most part. That is by design.
THE TAS // May 13, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Another puppet. Do not fear what you see….fear what you do not see. Any hope I had for Ron Paul is gone with his membership in this NWO driven organization. Presidents are selected, not elected and I guess that holds true once again. Whoever wins in this bunch of selected candidates are moving forward full speed to an eventual end….what can we do to stop this insanity.
Dr. Angelito // May 13, 2008 at 12:19 pm
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Shellie // May 13, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I always liked what Ron Paul said, but I didn’t like the cult that followed him- people were waaaay too willing to hand over total power to him. The people giving up their power to the government is how we got into this mess in the first place!
Go study http://www.exopolitics.org- it may enlighten you.
jerry // May 13, 2008 at 1:10 pm
This is another rumer started by a new world order trol, its bullshit
Clark C. McClelland, ScO // May 13, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Masons, Hitler, Obama, Clinton,Zionists, Knights of Columbus, etc., has nothing in store for the human race as the subject I have followed while being in the US Space Program.
Open my website:
http://www.stargate-chronicles.com
Clark (Former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, KSC/Cape canaveral, Florida 1958 to 1992
shaz // May 13, 2008 at 1:46 pm
smoke weeeeed
insight // May 13, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Masonry is made up of many different people and different beliefs. Mason’s are taught that all men are equal (they meet upon the level). Individual thought and action, as well as morality and ethics are the concepts upon which Masons swear. The teachings are anathema to autocratic government. This is evident in this century when Masonry was outlawed by Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini.
Take time and go to a lodge and look around. If you don’t like one lodge, try another.
As for a New World Order, this was proposed by the representative of a non masonic order.
Howard Ratcliffe // May 13, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Ron Paul fills a similar role to Ross Perot. The difference is he has a great chance of winning. To be sure, all 4 are globalists, but Ron would have a tougher time stuffing his cabinet with obvious traitors. People can openly see the NWO happening now; vote for him and watch him try to reverse the tide he has created. The only way to make heads and tails of this is to read these people’s oaths; they are all devoted and sworn to Lucifer; they are Reprobates described in Romans 1 and they know God has given them up. Bohemians and Gypsies have been doing this sort of thing for 4500 years from Iran (Aryan) to Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Europe and now its our turn; the US will no be here long. It’s time to realize the Authorized Bible means what it says and will not change the slightest bit. Theresnothingnew.org/
goldie locks // May 13, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Ron Paul wants to make only gold in hand suitable for currency.
Title to the gold reserves held in Fork Knox, formerly owned by the U.S., is now owned by the privately owned but communistically operated Bank of China, thanks be to the Marxist currency and debt frauds eminating from “our” Federal Reserve and “our” treaties with an NGO known as the Bank for International Settlements (both Marxist institutions).
Hmmm … let’s see …
1. due to a system of bank frauds, the “commies” own all the gold
2. R.P. says, “Let’s base our right to emit our own U.S. currency on [communist owned] gold reserves alone.
3. Hmmm … time to start reading Alexander Hamilton again, about issues of banking and sovereignty.
4. but R.P. says we should fractionize our banks, and leave them unprotected by their nation, making them easy pickings for the “Communist” [privately owned by Masons] People’s Bank of China.
Hmmm …
anon // May 13, 2008 at 2:02 pm
NOT a freemason. Just because he talked at this one university and has freemason family members and respects their beliefs, DOES NOT mean he is one.
Plus, freemasonry is fine up to the 33rd degree. I know many freemasons. It’s just a club where you can talk about your beliefs with your friends. Most people just go there to have a beer with some friends.
Once you can prove that Paul is a freemason and one above 33rd degree, then I will stop supporting him.
Jesus, really stupid story right here.
prometheus2012rising // May 13, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Until you all are able to walk alone you will continue to think in tribal group form. Trust me when I say ..people do not need people. I knew Ron Paul was a mere destraction all along. He is nothing more than false hope directed at the conspiracy, constitution, gun rights people.
Yet, Alex Jones and the like endorsed the crap out of him. Believe it or not the rulers can use well meaning people to spread disinfo and grow the lie without their knowledge. Mind Kontrol is very real & prevalent 24/7 and until you come to this realization you will always be a slave to all of it.
You have it within yourselves to unplug and deprogram from this illusion you call reality and most all of it is illusionary.
The rulers fear that you will find out some of these truths which is only the tip of knowledge. These rulers hope that you never discover your true power.
Suggestion:
Read this and know it by heart..let it sink into your being and know that it is what you are really up against.
http://www.premieres.com/news/game/page2.htm
I also suggest you watch the Matrix again because alot of it has many truths. There are some insiders that truly want you to break free of the illusion but they to are ruled by fear.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm
PJ,
My oaths were taken to God. If you want to know the other content, get a petition and join a local lodge. I have noticed above, when you have run out of lies and misconceptions that you attack people personally. That’s not good debating. I can see why you are not answering my call for a public debate. Your true colors would show once I had you cornered with truth and you starting attacking my character in front of a crowd and the media.
bill // May 13, 2008 at 2:14 pm
This is just more faulty logic and judgementalism used to arrive at half-baked conclusions. So who does the writer support? One of the 3 stooges? How about all the orgs. they’re in, eh? And I’m sure outsiders who don’t get it view RP supporters as “followers” however the RP camp is actually some of the most diverse freedom loving people left in this country. The idea that we would follow RP off a cliff is ridiculous. You can’t say the same for the statue quo. And people who always show up in the political arena to sidetrack issues with race or religion or fear, hatred or “nothing you can do” are the real shills for the NWO.
cornered // May 13, 2008 at 2:20 pm
I booked an event for Ron Paul. He had no idea what would be on the wall behind him, and I did not check it for symbols that might send conspiracy theorists into a tizzy. I booked an available venue. Period. As for the JBS, I joined our local chapter because they are vocally fighting for our Constitution here. I don’t know or care who started them, or why anyone else joined, I seek the common GOOD in everyone. I have Mason relatives, too. They were good, hard working, average citizens. Stereotyping is no good, we all would do well to look at what people DO WITH THEIR LIVES than to judge them based on loose affiliation with any organization. Prove to me that Ron Paul has attended a secret meeting, or recently attended an open meeting, that he is actively involved, that he is in the inner circle – you can’t. We are both left to go on our best “gut feeling.” My gut says “Ron Paul is the only hope.” Perfect? No. I have to make the best choice from the available options, though. Sort of like booking a venue, I took the best option available regardless of symbols on the wall.
bill // May 13, 2008 at 2:22 pm
And real conservatives who have nothing but awe and respect for our system of government have our hands full with the basics. Here’s a primer for some of you conservative pretenders.
http://ronpaullibrary.org/
Of course if you agree with RP on everything you’re no good to anybody.
Katz // May 13, 2008 at 2:22 pm
The only candidate worth anything is Ron Paul. I plan on writing him in.
As for this misinformation? You must work for the C.F.L, or the Bilderbergs bc you sure like to try to slander Ron Paul. Unfortunately for you, and your boyz, it won’t work, bc the movement is bigger than any one person.
Who knows, anyway, it may end up that Ron Paul is the only Republican left standing, when the DC Madam’s murder comes out, and it takes down McCain, in the process.
Meanwhile, go suck a rock.
Bill Wanke // May 13, 2008 at 2:22 pm
“The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the Work of Jewish Brains, Jewish Dissastisfaction & Jewish Planning, whose goal is to create a New Order, in the world.
What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish Brains & Jewish planning, shall also, through the same mental & Physical forces, Become a reality all over the world.”
-American Hebrew, September 8, 1920
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“The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah.
It will attain World domination by the dissolution of other races…& by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship.
In this New World Order, the Children of Israel…will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition…”
-(Karl Marx to Baruch Levy, published Review de Paris, 6/1/1928, p. 574
GT // May 13, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I could more or less go along with PJ’s thesis up until this point:
“I disassociate myself from Commander Z’s comments. This is not about Jew bashing.”
That statement – it’s very simplicity, in fact – tells me all I need to know about PJ’s truth-seeking.
Bashing Masonic gentiles is safer than “Jew bashing.” Don’t believe it? Find yourself a street corner in your community (not the Internet) and try it sometime. Better yet, try it at work.
Mark // May 13, 2008 at 2:53 pm
my aunt and uncle are in the masons and they do good work and give to good causes. They are a small outfit in NY with about 50 members and they have literally no pull in any politics. They were even denied tax credits on their building when they applied. Masons may have started off weird or even cultish but today they are just a group of people in local communities who have no clue even how they began and gives the older members a reason to leave their homes. Get over it.
Drax // May 13, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Well this is all news to me, but I sometimes suspected Ron Paul would be a Freemason like any other politician, it’s almost a prerequisite to even be preselected. It’s really not much of a surprise to me, so I’m keeping an open mind on who and what Paul really might be.
Excellent points have been made, and I believe that Paul, like any elected official, should be held to scrutiny, despite the fact that I agree with many of the things he’s stated in articles and debates.
However, it’s been mentioned in this thread that because Paul hasn’t pissed off the establishment that much and the fact that he hasn’t been assassinated yet, it must mean that he’s “controlled opposition” or he’s just a mouthpiece to keep anti-NWOers happy and hopeful throughout the presidential campaign (as a distraction, perhaps), but I have to say that we shouldn’t forget the almost absolute media blackout that’s been inflicted on Paul. And let’s face it, Freemason or no Freemason, mainstream America isn’t interested in some smalltime Texas Congressman with some ideas about the war, the Fed and gold. The mainstream media didn’t even give him much airtime to bash him, they just ignored him.
What good is controlled opposition like Ron Paul if the mainstream media that the elites supposedly dominate, won’t even give him airtime?
Richiemagoo // May 13, 2008 at 3:13 pm
LIVE THE PRINCIPLES OF FREEDOM IN OUR OWN LIVES!
Denouncing 911 truthers was the first red flag for me. The typical dumbed-down political rhetoric eminating from the RP campaign was the 2nd. Although this article is just speculative and allegations should not be made until actual facts are discovered, it is good that we should be kept on guard, especially considering that RP has been a part of this corrupt and filthy political system for 30 years. (I’ve always said to myself:”How does a decent and honest man exist for 30 years in the cesspool of DC.?”)
The thing I find most distressing about the RP campaign, is that it is spreading the usual message of doing something through the political system….as if saying that our freedom hinges on the election of champions who will change the system- when in fact, far more important is the ideal that everyone should practise the principles of freedom in their own personal lives and dealings- because ultimately, if the small percentage of Americans who are true patriots did that, it would do more to securte their own freedom and the freedom of others than attending political rallies and voting and registering as a Republican and participating in the system that enslaves us, and joining the “club”(party) that GWB and Cheney belong to!
Gim // May 13, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I think everyone is doing the right thing by questioning everything but:
The freemason thing has scared people to no end for a long time. When you aren’t included in the club the natural inclination is to bang the door open by grouping together and instantly becoming a form of resistance. The truth is that everyone can become a mason, hockey player or rock star. It usually takes an over achiever to reach the top of anything, even at the burger shop.
You can thank a very threatened, paranoid pope for vilifying the masonic order(s). Rightfully so, his corporation was threatened by a premature release of bankrupting data. The church itself would have crumbled and the real sabbath day would have been restored rather fast.
I’ll go this far. Born in sin is one way of putting things but being guilty of even existing is more along the lines of our state of being. Apologize to God for existing and ask him to perfect you as if you were his direct creation.
The ‘elite’ source their candidates from a pool of beatified personalities from entertainment, business, politics and every other source. There was even once an actor who was president who was both equally loved as he was hated. Search around for his cigarette commercials if you want to laugh. The esoteric traditions do study geometry, cosmic influence, entanglement and tend to be run by males in most cases so testosterone does come into play from time to time. We are tribal by nature as half of our DNA dictates and so a hierarchy or a pack mentality is an obvious effect.
The NWO agenda isn’t all that bad either. Otherwise the solution to hunger in Africa is plain and simple. Get them out of the freaking desert already!
The awakening that is due is inconceivable but imagine our monkey side is stripped out leaving only the conscious spirit to govern our quirky bodies. Hate and all we are one.
Every soul that has been is about to be on earth simultaneously for at least the one day. Call it reincarnation or whatever but this population will continue to explode till THE DAY. We will be judged as a race of bastards who should never have been to begin with but were allowed to be and given a fair shot at proving worthy of the creator’s approval. Think about the FIERCE resistance to embryonic stem cell research.
We too can become creators right now, even years ago but in doing so we would be spitting in the face of God leaving another race that has to prove themselves worthy and are burdened with the simplicity of evil penetrating the ranks as God waits to see if they can iron out their flaws.
We are not what we would like to think we are.
Guilty for existing! Why do you think we’ve attached ourselves to prophets that serve as go betweens? God is not going to interfere till he had enough. He will separate the truly enlightened from the squabbling pack of fools and dispose of the fools like a beaker full of failure. From time to time our superiors / angels / creators attempt to give some advice in hopes it influences us to find and latch onto the idea that all privileged beings already know from birth.
We were created by outlaws that God once trusted. God was pissed but we were given an unfettered chance and we still continue to fail as expected. Enlighten yourself, detach yourself from the brainwashing you’ve been born into. Humanity is an EASY race to lead / overtake and to misalign. Guilty by even existing. In there you may now know why a pope can be so upset that his house of cards hasn’t even got a card if the ones who know let it be known. We are not supposed to be told our origins.
Praise God almighty, the most supreme being and only him.
RMS // May 13, 2008 at 3:39 pm
He did flash that NWO sign, although I guess Texans get away with it.
He could be used to gather up all those who might fight them, via campaign donations etc.
Ed // May 13, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I was in Panama when I first discovered that the NWO was indeed for real! At the end of my tour there back in 1987, USARSO(US Army South), or better known as the “Southern Command” was taking over for the regular established military command there on both sides of the canal. I asked my CW4 what was going on with all of this secretive change of command and his reply was this: The powers that are now in charge keep their faces hidden, which is how underground wars will be fought from now on globally! The days of wars like those of ww1&ww2 are a thing of the past. The american gov’t it seems has been taken hostage either by design or uncontrolable circumstance, but either way, I am leaving this man’s army, for I don’t like the direction in which it is headed.: End of quote..This same warrant officer went on to tell me that the world was going to be divided into 10 divisions for strategic purposes. So, how did this man know all of this before it became public knowledge years later? I dunno, but I do remember seeing Ron Paul and a few other dignitaries there for the change-over ceremonies at Ft. Clayton. Coincidence?? I don’t think so!
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm
PJ,
My oaths were taken to God.
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Matthew 5:
33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Ed,
Thank you for serving our country and defending our freedom. Are you 100% that RP was there, or is this smoke and mirrors?
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm
PJ,
My oaths were taken to God.
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Matthew 5:
33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.
?? What is the point of this. Did you not see that I took my oaths to Almighty God?????
V // May 13, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Sadly my friends, the only definitive that politicians know is force. When are hands are forced, which side will you choose? The time is near for each of you to accept responsibility for yourself, stand up, and do what’s morally right. Fighting with words gets you nowhere.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Right on V.
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Ephesians 6
The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Lame Cherry // May 13, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Oh no say it ain’t so!!!!! lol
This is linked from the Jeff Rense site who has been championing Ron Paul, especially in featuring that all knowing Devvy Kidd who just had her 80 year old parents dump part of their savings in gold which is now bottoming out.
I respect most of the Ron Paul backers as being completely loyal to America, but PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND IN WHAT I HAVE BLOGGED ON OFTEN THAT THE GLOBALIST FINANCIERS FUND ALL TYPES and if you start interacting with these “leaders” you soon find out the great “expert” Dinesh D’Souza states he is not even a Conservative…….and he was championed by them.
I will repeat again. Ron Paul’s gold standard would make gold worth a billion dollars an ounce. That would only benefit Russia which hates America and make the Russian economy a super economy.
His foreign policy is completely inept as when tried before it brought on world wars in dragging America into them.
Now Devvy Kidd and the Paulites are flocking to the GOP convention attempting to destroy the GOP in bringing down John McCain, but as Kidd writes it will probably mean Newt will be chosen then.
The leaders of the Paulites are pure anarchists as they don’t care about Paul but only destroying things.
….and guess what with Hillary having done her job in weakening Obama and Obama with more skeletons in his closet than a gay madam, the DNC might choose Al Gore as he is the whale in waiting.
So Paul allows the GOP to be destroyed, leaving a destroyed DNC and only one world maniac cruising to the White House in Al Gore as was set up 2 years ago.
Americans have got to be more aware. Paul being outed as a Mason does not make him evil, but one has to wonder as “expert” as Ron Paul is just what on earth is this informed man in John Birch and still a Mason when their leadership is the secular sacred math force worshipped by the European and American orders.
The answer is obvious. Libertarians are being herded to be blamed for destroying the GOP just like Sharon the liberal destroyed the Likud Conservatives in the Israeli state.
None of this this an attack on Paulites, but Paulites show some reason and here comes Bob Barr taking votes again on his run.
Certainly John McCain is a liberal, but the correct venue is to make him put a real Conservative on the ticket and not do what the financiers have been planning all along in making Chavez in the White House………meaning a 23% vote getting kook because they have turned America into an Italian mob of fractured voters.
Stop backing Ron Mason Paul who will sell no whine before his time and start hammering John McCain to put a Conservative VP on the ticket and that does not mean leftist Huckabee.
Natasha // May 13, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Matthew 21: 42 – Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which [b]the builders[/b] rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Psalms 118 – 16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly. 17 I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD. 18 The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death. 19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD: 20 This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter. 21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation. 22 The stone which [b]the builders[/b] refused is become the head stone of the corner. 23 This is the LORD’s doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
wil // May 13, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Vigorous debate is good. I wish millions more in the USA and around the world did it.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 4:36 pm
I have to agree with you wil. Fortunately we can still do this in the States. I’m afraid if others from around the world were to partake, they may not fare so well.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Instead of bashing RP, expend a little energy protesting the Supreme Court of the US. They, alone, have the responsibility of protecting and defending the Constitution. Without exception, they (the members of same) have been remiss in their responsibilities. This, for over a hundred years… –jws
Naven1 // May 13, 2008 at 4:46 pm
It is interesting to note that the title of his book includes the words Revolution and Manifesto, two terms closely associated with Marxist Socialism. A Trojan Horse Candidate perhaps?
MikeyByTheBay // May 13, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Yea, I’m an idiot, PJ. You get a link on Rense and when clicked on, all we find are a couple of paragraphs on your Ron Paul/Freemasonry theory and a photograph of Ron Paul at Georgetown University (Yaaawn!). You couldn’t even muster up a decent essay to bolster your argument. It’s a complete waste of time. Let’s see: Barack Obama is the Antichrist, Hillary Clinton is a Reptilian Shapeshifter, John McCain is clinically insane, Ron Paul spoke at Georgetown and his daughters might be Rainbow Girls. Hmmm… eeny, meeny, miny, mo, PJ chooses???
Kobie // May 13, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Be careful. Have a look at what happened in South Africa. Pik Botha and F W de Klerk are also suspect 18 order masons. There is the small possibility that RP can be a plant to divide. Pull the realists into a group that will be small enough to be of no danger, but can be pin pointed. If you go into the Jesuite and free mason history you may see that their tactics have no moral guilt. All that matters is to further the cause, no matter what tools are used. To lie, kill and deceive is a small matter to them. The lower ranking members totally believe in the good “Christian” principal of the organization and are in the end, unknowing the biggest victims. But I am no expert, I just have to live with opened eyes in an destroyed country, counting the graves of my friends and family that gets more by the day.
miggy // May 13, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I gave up on Ron Paul when I realized that irregardless of how decent he was as a candidate, its the masses of ignorant morons that are killing America and the world. Hinging their support on 911 or some other crap. Now the peasant masses want to throw this mason albatross around his neck. (moment for the sheep to stop baying)
So now the wretched proletariat masses go back to a fraudulent voting system with two fraudulent, criminal political parties. (pause for the sheep reading this to make another trip to the refrigerator)
I realized early on in life that the obstacles I would have to face wouldnt be neocons, jews, KKK, masons, media, terrorists, democrats or republicans, or our brutal police or fraudulent court/legal system. My greatest obstacle in life is every single stinking stupid one of you. (pause for more baying) You know who you are. The fat lazy loud mouth pieces of shit glued to your tv stuffing your fat asses with anything that will digest and taste like sugar. You know who you are, the parking lot gladiators who are real tough sitting behind a wheel with a cigarette in their mouth shouting profanities out a cracked window. You know who you are, the ones that have all the answers yet cant even balance a checkbook or who live paycheck to paycheck because they are too stupid to quit the addictions sucking on their bank accounts. You know who you are, the ones getting their orders from media programs that they claim not to watch. (pause for more baying of the sheep) When I encounter the masses of complete utter idiots coming out of universities or already sitting in positions of influence I just give up. Also to include those who dont go to university and who are just plain retarded.
Ron Paul doesnt need to compete with the other candidates,, his greatest obstacle is the 300 million trailer trash living in America.
Bill // May 13, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Your ignorance is really showing. There are no higher degrees than the 33rd, which is honorary. Secondly, the Freemason gambit is a distraction from the real criminals here. If they can keep you asking the wrong questions, they do not have to worry about the answers. Keep tracking down RPs ties to the Freemasons and you will be doing their work, wasting your time looking in places where you will find nothing.
Bill // May 13, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Miggy, before you go calling everyone an idiot, you really should brush up on the English language. There is no such word as “irregardless”, using it in your rant only makes YOU look like the stupid one.
Natasha // May 13, 2008 at 5:07 pm
To my eyes Ron Paul has been an obvious shill, from the very beginning, and it good to finally see that others are beginning to see this.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 5:09 pm
From one idiot to another, whom would you prefer for pres, Ron Paul or Rush Limbaugh? –jws
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 5:12 pm
If our Constitution had legs do you think it could run for and win the presidency? –jws
Bill // May 13, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Well, Joe, looks like you are going to have to choose between three pure idiots, McCain, Clinton or Obama. I don’t know which is worse, but all are far worse than Ron Paul. It is a moot point though, as RP will never get more than 1 – 2 %. How you can compare RP to Rush Limbaugh is the question. RP is a Constitutionalist, Rush is a Fascist.
chaz // May 13, 2008 at 5:17 pm
George Washington was a freemason terrorist. If you dont like what he did for the country maybe the UK would be a good place to move. You can tell them all your BS all day long over tea and cookies. Meanwhile…on with the revolution!
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 5:22 pm
When any court violates the clean and unambiguous language of the constitution, a fraud is perpetrated and no one is bound to obey it.” – State v. Sutton 63 Minn 167, 65 NW 262, 30 LRA 630
wil // May 13, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Absentee ballot voting produces actual hard copy–so at least a little less easy to change than noodling the computer files…if your area has electronic “voting.”
Everyone needs to be held accountable at all levels: a president will not save us. Have to go to county commission meetings, city council meetings, town hall meeting when hosted by Congressional Reps or Senators, or the state level Reps and Senators. Phone call their offices, e-mail, etc. I have seen changes made by a few motivated people–but it has to be an eternal process. Hold everyone’s feet to the fire.
I am weary of the Bilderberger and CFR commentators and analysts being trucked out on network “news” to spin opinions. George Stephanopoulos, Charles Krauthammer, David Gergen, Richard Haass, et al, ad nauseum…
Dan // May 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm
The capstone aways gives us our leaders – this is why RP pulled the crap that he did with the 911 truth people. If he was one of us he would be beside us with the truth. But nay he just talks what we want to hear and leads us no where but loss of power. We need to restart the Anti-masonic party for with out this we have nothing. The Masons really do run us and we need to show people that those who give death oaths to unseen leaders are worthless.
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 5:30 pm
“The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it’s enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.” “No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it.” 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177, late 2d, Sec 256
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 5:32 pm
My point exactly re, RP and RL, Bill. Pretending We the People actually have a say in national elections, we must also pretend the candidates mean what they say. This being the case, Ron Paul stands head and shoulders over all other “ruiners”. It is only after someone is “elected” that we find if the truth was spoken. In most cases, it is then too late. The dominant reason being that it is the system that is corrupt, not necessarily the men who take office. Too many things have slipped past the Supreme Court for anything truly meaningful to come out of Washington in positive ways.
To fix the system we need men and women of vision. Do you know of any? –jws
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Dan // May 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm
The capstone aways gives us our leaders – this is why RP pulled the crap that he did with the 911 truth people. If he was one of us he would be beside us with the truth. But nay he just talks what we want to hear and leads us no where but loss of power. We need to restart the Anti-masonic party for with out this we have nothing. The Masons really do run us and we need to show people that those who give death oaths to unseen leaders are worthless.
I can guarantee you. The Masons do not run the country and are not starting or participating in the NWO as a whole. We can’t even figure out whether to have chocolate or vanilla ice cream after a meeting….
Natasha // May 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Totalitarian world government, is not something that may happen someday, unless we vote for RP or whomever. It is already up and running.
This is something, which the wise have long known would occur, and such are certainly not fooled by the likes of Ron Paul. The very form of it, even the flavor of it and how and by whom it was established, have all long been anticipated and warned of.
That most are even still unaware that it is already established, is also not surprising, and that so many believe that it can be avoided or prevented, attests both to it’s power and the foolishness of mankind.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Totalitarian&x=28&y=13
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm
To fix the system we need men and women of vision. Do you know of any? –jws
I know men of vision. A lot of them, kinda like the guys who founded America. The Freemasons.
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Definition of jury nullification – the right of the jury to judge the validity and morality of the law as well as the facts under which a defendant is being tried.
Jurors should acquit, even against the judge’s instruction… if exercising their judgement with discretion and honesty they have a clear conviction the charge of the court is wrong. — Alexander Hamilton, 1804
It is not only the juror’s right, but his duty to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgement and conscience, though in direct opposition to the instruction of the court. –John Adams, 1771
I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution. — Thomas Jefferson, 1789
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 5:53 pm
According to Stan Kubrick in his film ‘Eyes wide shut’, “Rainbow” and “girls” is where they train the next generation of sex sluts for the illuminati higher ups ..
BLACKWATCH // May 13, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Now we see that the Mason is out of the Bag. The vector/focal point of the Ron Paul revolution shows itself to be along the same lines as the other Masonic traditions that linked to the head of the Mason’s the Royalty of England/Germany/Europe.
We always have been weary of those who harp on the CONstitution, the illegal document that seized land in the name of racist colonialism from the original people who were there before the economic expansion of Royalty of Europe conquered the planet.
Why didn’t Paul put up a fight, even with most of the Grassroots non-masonic whites of America supporting him, in spite of MSM trashing of him and frauding him of election victories? Because masonry disallows for any mason to act independently outside of the structure of conformity.
Are all Masons are part of the New World Order? As planners, of course not… but as enthralled into the web of never having any independent actions outside of the Group, yes they are.
Any righteous removal of the forces of negativity cannot occur because masons, unlike pure people, cannot by their ritual, attack the core of negativity which is like a guard dog killing itself because it’s master is Hitler.
A mason will never be able to fight this until a mason trust that they can stand on their own and without the support of a corrupt group that takes good people and locks them into subordination of conformity. Ron Paul, regardless of all of his principals, suffered from this, just as Masons like Martin Luther King Jr. thinking that a ritualized person could change what the ritual he holds near/dear has made so without first renouncing that ritual first.
If Ron Paul would only change this one thing… by renouncing the secret society structure that we live in to champion an age where all cliques and clubs and sects and gangs are secondary to the value of the human being…. then his history wouldn’t matter. But because those who know the history of secret societies and the crimes under the guise of secrecy that have adversely affected those not in the secret society have dug up this info and apologists have come out to defend it.. (but not the accused mind you)…. and Paul himself is vague about it.
Talk is cheap
Would Ron Paul or any other Mason value the masonic secrets so much that he would keep them from his wife and kids? Is the ritual that powerful if we were to ask him about sharing and openness that we want from government that Paul couldn’t share some little esoteric ritual with people? If he can’t then, there isn’t much difference between he and Clinton, Bush I, Bush II, Nixon, or Washington.
What is Skull and Bones but a masonic type of organization? What is the Rhodes Scholarship but a masonic type of organization? What was Washington, the 9th/1st president of the stolen lands of America but a proponent of a (european) New World Order?
For those who are defending Masons are good.. ask your mason friends/relatives/ associates this:
“Hey… I would love for you to share with me in detail, all of the secret things you guys do…. y’know like the rituals. We’ve been friends/family for a long time and I feel that your secrets are a barrier between us.”
For those who take personally the attack on Freemasonry and other forms of secret societies:
Trust in the Human Family where we have no need of secrets from each other.
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 5:54 pm
http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 5:56 pm
This whole country was created by masons. It is a fact. Open fact. If you are stupid enough to ask a person who is a player in this country if he is a mason, then you are stupid enough to be lied to. The Constitution and division of powers are all Masonic Inventions. Its called State Craft. Sheeple you are and remain.
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution. — Thomas Jefferson, 1789
Is trial by jury a Masonic invention?
How about jury nullification, another Masonic invention?
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Gold has no inherent value whatsoever, and Paul knows that.
There is nothing wrong with fractional reserve banking, if you are the one who is doing the printing, ask Mr. Red Sheild, and Paul knows that too.
Solution is vigorously nationalistic countries each printing their own funny money. International trade is where the real value of your funny money is judged and subject to independent evaluation.
Credit is necessary to promote growth. What is not necessary is that this credit be issued by a bunch of Vampires in England to Americans.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Every time you hear a gavel in a court room, you may very well be hearing the influence of the Masons. As far as sharing the ritual, why should I share something I worked hard to learn, with someone like you who thinks you are entitled to it?
Natasha // May 13, 2008 at 6:11 pm
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
Frances // May 13, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Demonizing Masons is not going to work with me. Simply because most of the founders of this country were Masons, as was my great-grandfather’s brother (and possibly other family members). Considering the great document these supposed world conquerors gave us, I would have to support the Masons. There was a recent documentary on about some of their rituals and they don’t offend me. Someone, however, wants us all to think they are a horrible group that are hiding vile information from us. Grow up.
DL // May 13, 2008 at 6:16 pm
This is very interesting, in light of the comment I read on Lew Rockwell’s blog, which linked to a CFR magazine website article on Ron Paul and his positions on various issues, foreign and domestic. You have to go to http://www.lewrockwell.com and search their blog entries for this: the CFR on Ron Paul. Here is my point: why would the CFR have an article on Ron Paul UNLESS Paul was a closet CFR member? I used to be a Ron Paul supporter as well who couldn’t wait to vote for him in the Texas primary…but I didn’t. I have reached the conclusion that Ron Paul is probably too good to be true; however, if he really was a threat to THEM, he would have been assassinated a long time ago.
http://www.somethinghappeninghere.net
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Any man can join Masonry, but it isn’t for every man.
Anyone here have boys in the Boy Scouts? If you’re anti Masonic, you may want to yank them, because we sponsor a lot of troops, and some of their ritual is derived from Masonic ritual. We also sponsor little league teams…you haters need to wake up. Lodges have Friends night, where you’re welcome to show up and take a look around, and learn about the REAL Masonry. I challenge you to try it instead of hiding behind your computer. Is anyone going to have this public debate with me?
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 6:20 pm
First Chief Justice of the US John Jay wrote: “It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand, presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still both objects are within your power of decision? you [juries] have a right to take it upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy”.State Of Georgia v. Brailsford, 3 U.S. 1,4 (1794).
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 6:22 pm
There is nothing wrong with the Document, Frances.
The problem is that We the Sheeple are NOT a party to that ‘contract’. That document is regarding the division of societal power amongst the power players, not the sheeple.
Which is precisely why there is a group that mediates between the already exclusive primary system to actually cast votes in the private interparty field. That is the delegation from the politically active sheeple to the party member.
Then there are the effective Regime governing the Congress — most of the Rules are set by the two parties. Sheeple are not consulted.
As I said Frances, “remain”.
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 6:47 pm
All power belongs to the sheeple and jury nullification will bring the real revolution this great republic longs for.
The other three branches are powerless in the presence of informed sheeple.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:49 pm
There is a factual book copywrited by Arkon Daraul in 1961 titled, A History of Secret Socities, ISBN 0-8065-0857-4, for those interested in such things.
Then there is the fictional version (which I prefer) titled, The Iluminati Trilogy, written by Robert Anton Wilson and another person. They were both on acid when they wrote the books. They are guaranteed to stun, amase and enlighten anyone who reads them. Only the strong of heart should read them. Just a friendly warning… –jws
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:49 pm
There is a factual book copywrited by Arkon Daraul in 1961 titled, A History of Secret Socities, ISBN 0-8065-0857-4, for those interested in such things.
I can’t prove that it isn’t factual, but how can you prove that it is?
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:53 pm
lloyd Clinton, did you know that most of the men who defended the Alamo were Masons? –jws
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 6:56 pm
No I did not, but will file that away for research. I am a Mason and proud of it. People need to wake up and realize that we aren’t the problem. Can I call you Joe? You seem informed and intelligent, have you ever looked at joining the Fraternity?
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:56 pm
“I can’t prove that it isn’t factual, but how can you prove that it is?”
Interesting statement. I suppose everything should be considered fiction until proven otherwise. So much for formal education! –jws
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 6:59 pm
The Trilogy is a Mind Fuck. It is a Magik text as they disclose in the end.
Do not read it. Or if you must, don’t read along the magic chants in the book.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Thanks for the offer, Lloyd. Others have invited me to be accepted into the Masons (my brother is a 33 degree Mason) but I am not qualified. One must believe in a higher power to be a Mason. –jws
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Robert Anton Wilson was a “discordian” apologist for Aleister Crowley. His goal was not to inform, but to “stun and amaze”, lead people down the primrose path, but not to wake people up. Only fools and the spiritually corrupt enjoy his books JWS.
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Draw a Circle around yourself, while affirming that God IS ONE and the True King.
Then sit back and watch the illuminati burn in hell for ever …
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:03 pm
The Owners of this plantation have left signs all over for the training of the next generations.
A few points are made. Key point is this: The common man is not intellectually equipped to bother with matters of State Craft. The open signs are there to point out to the rising protoge (like Clinton) or scion (like George). “We are doing this in the open and they still do not get it”. Point is made.
Its a good point …
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Baseball is a metaphor for the political system of the State.
The plan of the field is the Compass and Square. The pitcher is “G”.
The field is a truncated pyramid (in section) and where the pitcher (G) is , like the dollar sign, is an empty space.
The Reds and the Blues line up and they play ball.
The illusion is that the man on the mound is throwing the pitch but its really “G” that is doing the throwing.
The business of the Game is the actual State Craft. The entertainment, that is for the “Greek Chorous” …
futsnfup // May 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm
So, this ‘article’ is supposed to be part of the ‘news’ in the name Aftermath News? It’s complete speculative garbage. Essentially, your article was based on a comment left at Daily Paul, by someone whose identity you are absolutely uncertain of. Yet, this alone is enough for you to be 90% certain that not only is Ron Paul a mason but “33rd degree or above.” Oh wait, the page now says “Access Denied,” there’s proof!
You’re unrelenting search for the truth didn’t even lead you to do a Google search on “Liberty Oak Ranch.” Tootired had to do this bit of what you termed “sleuthing.” A Google search, click on first link. I wonder when your quest for the truth would have led you to do that particular bit of sluething yourself… What a joke. The only facts this ‘news’ presents are the facts that you are a shitty investigator and you believe what you want to based on ridiculously thin evidence. And I’m being incredibly generous with the term evidence.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 7:08 pm
JWS, it’s too bad that you don’t meet that 1 qualification.. otherwise you would make a great member!
PJ,
Didn’t you say you weren’t Christian earlier (i’m not saying you did or didn’t, just trying to reaffirm). In whom do you put your trust PJ?
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Brigitt, you must have read the Trilogy. Personally, I thought it was the funniest set of books I ever read. I’ve studied occultism for over sixty years and the only ones it will harm are those with weak constitutions. Some say knowledge is power. I say knowledge is tedious! ;-) –jws
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm
The lower level initiate to the “mysteries” is lied to.
It is even stated publicly that deception is used in the lower levels.
Stop and think (try it ..) and ask yourself:
Just what sort of long standing order would groom its rising members through a process that is openly declared to be a Mind Fuck?
…
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:11 pm
JWS:
Be warned, then clearly, it is said: “With Knowledge Comes Responsibility”.
That is the catch. Play ball with the devil and … singe ..
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Brigitt,
Do you know what the G actually stands for in the Square and Compass? It’s stands for 2 things. God and Geometry.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm
The lower level initiate to the “mysteries” is lied to.
It is even stated publicly that deception is used in the lower levels.
Where do you get this evidence?
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Thanks, Lloyd. The only organization I ever belonged to was the Boy Scouts (I was an Eagle Scout).
On the other hand, I have a world view that would frighten many. That is, those who have some idea of what that view is. ;-) –jws
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:16 pm
…
Alright, time is up.
The lower level initiate, generally a self confident member of society, a man of ability and self righteous morals, a “believer in a Higher Power” …, etc., is put through the steps.
At a key point in the process, the member, if designated worthy of further integration, will be shown his errors in judgment.
Again (here) the person’s self regard is used against them. (Its a lesson for the higher level initiates ..) They become convinced, based on their own experience, that the individual can never reach correct conclusions in isolation, and, lack of Knowledge can distort understanding.
Proof is the process that they went through.
Now, the initiate is sympathetic to the notion that the sheeple should NEVER be given a say in matters of Life and Death: State Craft. (That is why danger is a key element of the initiation, amongst other reasons ..)
So they point is that, regardless of the stated ideals, it is an order that asserts the utility of the LIE.
Read John 8:44
Tigger // May 13, 2008 at 7:17 pm
A poster has given away the ultimate secret to the societies and hasn’t been acknowledged even once. I couldn’t even hazard a guess as to how many times I’ve seen the truth in the face of the conspiratorial minded and completely overlooked. That is why most here are in ruts. There just isn’t much to the riddle all the way up the masonic ladder. There was once a time that silly people would think golf courses were -the- place to be to hook business. That is, until women started to play.
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Geometry is the Formal Approach to “Measure” “Truth”.
Masons are Luciferians that believe Knowledge is Power. They are Rebels against The Almighty King.
The whole point of this plane of existence for “G-D” to PROVE that there are Limits to both the Knowledge that you can gain, and the Power that you can wield in Applying it …
Who Raises the Dead from Slumber?
Anubis has Asked a Question, o thou Princes of the Earth …
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Brigitt, I prefer to think, with freedom comes responsibility. Many think freedom means license. Knowledge is necessary only if it is used with a sense of humor and a grain of salt. ;-) –jws
Tigger // May 13, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Gim: You sound like you’ve studied in the rosicrucian order. Those guys are well beyond the comprehension of the conventional masons, who don’t go that deep into the ancient mysteries and the origins and are orders of magnitude more secretive than typical masonic rites. That being the case, don’t you fear spilling the beans? (so-to-speak)
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Brigitt,
You are way off base. If what you say is true, then why do we invoke the blessing of Deity in the opening and closing of our Lodges? With some of the arguments you make, it is very tough for me to restrain and not attack you personally like PJ does when he is frustrated, but I will not go there. Read some of the freely available ritual on the internet and you’ll understand why we aren’t the haters. It’s because we don’t come down on people for their beliefs, but come together from all creeds, religions, etc for the betterment of mankind.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:29 pm
You see, Brigitt, I think, if there is a God, that God is an evil creature. He even admits to creating *evil in the book you like to quote. Look at Isaiah 45:7 if you don’t believe me. Why would anyone believe in a God who admits to creating evil? –jws
*Some bibles replace the word “evil” with “calamity”. But the root word is “evil” in spite of the white-wash.
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Didn’t “gim” already answer that for you?
According to what gim has been told — an idea also being pushed in books such as the newly recovered gospel of Judas — is that the creator of Adam is not The GOD, but the Devil. This was an error on the bad bad devil’s part, due to pride and hubris: “I too can create”. This sect then hold the Devil to be the ‘god of Earth’. “The Trickster God”.
It all comes down to this question: Do believe in Revelation from God, or do you not? If you don’t, you can join gim’s club.
If you do, you can ask yourself if you are worthy of even approaching it, much less interpreting what HE IS Saying …
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Btw, the Pope’s Red Shoes … are they Prada, by any chance?
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Brigitt is correct somewhat in her reflection on reversals in Masonic teachings. But not as she noted. When one is fully innitiated into Masonry (and similar societies), Golden Dawn, O.T.O., etal, he is crucified (ritually) on the “tree of life” — Minutum Mundum — and the pillar of mercy then resides to the left and the pillar of justice resides at the right of his enlightened body. The pillar of knowledge still remains the back bone of said tree.
It is not occultism that spreads falsehoods, per se. It is the various cults of Christianity that amply does that job. ;-)
Enter now all manner of slings and arrows for saying this! ;-) –jws
xTo // May 13, 2008 at 7:56 pm
This has got to be the most pathetically misdirective thread on a topic I’ve ever read.
Go ahead guys – don’t debate the issues, just bicker about what one person that has an opinion on them may or may not be.
What the results of your belief in those issues actually accomplish don’t matter, but that one guy – he matters…oh he matters.
I mean, it’s not like any of us that are over 35 and American citizens could run for President – it has to be that one guy, and we have to have this stupid heresay debate about something none of us know anything positive about (let alone actually studied outside of gossip and rumor).
So I guess you guys are the paranoids of the former Ron Paul supporters – glad we finally got rid of you.
Have fun!
– xTo
(p.s. – “They” are still gonna get ya…look, they got you running scared!)
roflmfao.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Lighten up, xTo. Get off of the floor and add your true feelings right here on this forum. You might even say something that people will be quoting for years to come. Is “roflmao” original or did you see it somewhere else? ;-) –jws
Brandon // May 13, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I live in Lake Jackson…3 miles from the Paul family’s little house…..I can swear to everybody here…HE IS NO FREE MASON…my sister teaches his grandkids gymnastics for Christ’s sake….They are some of the best people I have ever known….going back 20 years. RELAX people
keep an open mind…just not so open all your brains fall out.
Michael Edwards // May 13, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Since George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were freemasons also, I fail to see the relevance of whether Mr. Paul is a mason, unless you are saying that the Republic has been luciferian for over 200 years, inwhich case we may as well throw in the towel now.
Some masons are into the occult, others are not. Some masons are Christians, others are not.
I was at a gathering in the Scottish Consistory in south Jersey a few years back, and they all (grey haired men and blue haired ladies) sang “I Serve a Risen Savior”, complete with the words, “He lives! He lives! Christ Jesus lives today!”
I’m sorry, but you just can’t convince me that those folks are busy worshiping satan in their spare time.
What I see in Ron Paul by his voting record is integrity. That is enough for me, without absurd speculations based on such ridiculous items as Mr. Paul using the American Sign Language sign for “I love you” and claiming that it is satanic. Are you folk insane?
I agree with the above poster. Don’t let your brains fall out.
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 9:02 pm
There is nothing hearsay about the Masonic Elite.
Not so happy about your ‘lone strong man’ theory either.
Poster about juries has the right idea, people power, but the issue is where the rubber meets the road, the said rubber having been heavily indoctrinated in statist ideology … aka we deserve what we are …
L Clinton: I don’t care if you attack me personally. I don’t care what a secret society publishes publicly. Stupid.
Issue is not “hate” issue is LIES. To not hate is not the same thing as to Love.
Love and LIES do not mix.
LIES in “service” of a “higher good”.
Stupid. Very stupid. John 8:44.
Don // May 13, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Are any of us God Fearing?
Proverbs 8-13
To be is to hate all evil, in yourself first of course, and then the world. Evil is described: Pride and Arrogance listed as first.
MatildaHolmes // May 13, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm
The lower level initiate to the “mysteries” is lied to.
It is even stated publicly that deception is used in the lower levels.
Where do you get this evidence?
From Albert Pike’s “Morals & Dogma”:
“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.”
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 10:00 pm
kuk,
Right!
5 Smooth Stones,
I would rather live next to a known convict who doesn’t deny his crimes, than next to a “pillar of society” who has a squeaky clean image and yet is up to shady business behind the people’s backs.
But I never said for sure that I could prove anything about Ron Paul other than some suspicious connections that frankly begin to add up to something worth worrying about. I suspected he was involved in the Masonic conspiracy and I had reason to suspect it. I did not just pull all this out of thin air, and I certainly did not have an agenda to bring Ron Paul down. I found some problems with him and I decided to share them with you the public for the purpose of free and open discussion and in hopes that these questions could get settled.
And I think it is bearing fruit. I find that I am not alone in my concerns, but that the vast majority of people are corrupt and controlled and so do not want this type of information to escape and so hate me and ridicule me for it. So be it. The information about Ron Paul is slowly but surely coming together and I predict a more complete picture of his involvement in the Masonic conspiracy is soon to emerge.
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I am 110% with 100percenttruth
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Rob,
I agree with you. Too good to be true. I certainly wanted to believe in RP because after all he was “our only hope”, but I have been conned before, so I have this ability to catch myself before it’s too late and change course to avert danger.
And yes, there is this lie perpetuated to us that makes presidential politics the be-all and end-all which actually takes us out of our independence and makes us very dependent on the political savior figure who represents the all-powerful central government which today is worshipped as a god.
Lasher and insight,
All this BS about “good freemasons” does not wash with me. The organization is corrupt from it’s foundations. If you serve it, you serve evil, no matter how “good” you appear to be. So forget that argument. It is just more Masonic baloney.
THE TAS,
I think you are right. A real dissident would never have gotten into the debates in the first place or especially not get the accolades that he has got from a number of mainstream talking heads. And we know that the Illuminati have already picked the next selectee and are carefully managing this bread and circus freak show for public consumption. As they normally do, once the people get sick and tired of having one party in power for eight years, they swing us back to the other side of the dialectic and like tacking a sailboat, we are taken on a zig-zag course straight into storm that will lay this country in ruins. Both parties and both ends of the spectrum are working together for the NWO system.
Jerry,
You are just another pod-person. Wake up.
Howard Ratcliffe,
The King James Bible was written up by a Rosicrucian court. The whole of our culture and religion has been set up and maintained by the occult theocracy of Illuminati, Masons, etc. This is the real Matrix which is cultural, religious and governmental. The high-tech aspect is just one more layering of control, the icing on the cake. We have already been under control and used as slaves to build up this system for a very long time. We went along with it and built our own prison. Understanding this Matrix system and gradually disconnecting from it is to escape their control. That is the true freedom.
goldie locks,
Marx and Engels were both masons. Marx was paid by the London elite to pen his name to a doctrine they set up for more control. Communism is just another way to herd the sheep. Skull and Bones funded Lenin and the Bolshevik Revolution. They funded Freemason Stalin and Mao. Then they built up Communist China and sold our country out to them. This is the New World Order that the Illuminati have envisioned for probably thousands of years, a global government under complete control. It is all Masonic at the top. Communism is just another one of their tools.
prometheus2012rising,
I agree. Walk and stand alone. Be an individual. Think for yourself. Think original thoughts or try to. Don’t worry about what others say, do or think. Just tell the truth and be as honest with yourself as you can. This takes a certain amount of trust and courage.
I have taken more heat from this one than from my exposure of the Knights of Malta, but I am not sorry for it and don’t regret it. I was surprised at how many people are controlled by the Masonic con-job, but I guess I shouldn’t have been.
As for your link, I glanced through it and looks pretty weird to me, like a number of mysterious New Agey manifestos floating around.
Lloyd Clinton,
Oh Lloyd, Lloyd, if you want to know what it is to be attacked on a daily basis, come live in my shoes awhile. I do get frustrated by individuals who both cling to lies and promote them here, so I guess I do lose my cool and state what I am feeling in the moment. At any rate, if you don’t like it, I suggest you don’t come here anymore. Nobody is forcing you to read these comments.
And you say:
“Every time you hear a gavel in a court room, you may very well be hearing the influence of the Masons. As far as sharing the ritual, why should I share something I worked hard to learn, with someone like you who thinks you are entitled to it?”
admitting our whole system is Masonic and therefore run by masons in the courts, the government, the military and industry etc. Then you show your true elitism in your comments about your “higher education” in the lodge, which is a well-kept secret.
As for taking oaths in a Masonic temple to your Baphomet God Lucifer, I guess that is your affair.
Cornered,
My gut tells me that Ron Paul is a crypto-freemason and is serving the New World Order system, regardless of his political rhetoric to the contrary. I have a right to say it here and nobody is going to stop me from saying it.
Katz,
I have absolutely zilch to do with CFR, Bilderberg or any other organization, period. In fact, I spend much of my life exposing them and warning people about their nefarious agendas.
I am just an individual who once supported Ron Paul, had my doubts, then withdrew my support and voiced my observations here on this blog. There is nothing more to it than that.
You are welcome to disagree, but use your head for a minute. Why would someone in the masonically controlled establishment want to out one of their own members as a mason? It is without precedent and it makes no sense whatsoever.
GT,
I’ll bash anyone I please if they are working for the New World Order. I do bash elite Jewish Zionists like the Rothschilds and Masonic Gentiles alike, but to cast aspersions on an entire race, no you won’t get me to do that. Sorry.
I mean all the things you people are accusing me of are nothing but fabrications, not just you GT, but pretty much everybody who is trying to cut me down or paint me as a traitor. It is nothing but lies and chaos.
I never said I was perfect, but I am sharing the truth as I see it, the best way I can as an antidote to the web of lies that we all unfortunately live under.
Drax,
RP has been on every major radio show, every major TV news network and on every major TV talk show from morning to late night TV and has even been endorsed or applauded by some of the biggest names in the media and entertainment industry. So please don’t tell me about this phony “media blackout”.
Again, my gut tells me that this is just a sign that he has been allowed to say what he says because he is approved for these messages, up to a point. And he may even get the Republican nomination, but every presidential race is rigged to begin with, so to think they would allow a truly independent leader to shut down the New World Order system is ludicrous. They are putting in a Democrat to work the other side of the dialectic for awhile and that is that.
Richiemagoo,
I felt the same way like a slap upside my head when RP said 9/11 Inside Job was just a crazy conspiracy theory. He could have at least said that there were unanswered questions, and something suspicious about it, but he didn’t.
And yes, a squeaky clean congressman for decades? I always had my doubts about that, even though I felt that I had to support him for awhile because he was the only straw to grasp. Yeah I nearly re-registered Republican from Libertarian just so I could vote for RP, but I am now glad I didn’t.
Gim,
The elite are all Masons. The Grand Lodge of England is controlled by British Royalty who are also Knights of Malta and Knights of the Garter. It is all Masonic, that is based in the Kabbalah and Egyptian mysteries, etc. The Church is also Masonic in the Rosicrucian vein. Look at the symbols on the wall behind RP in the Catholic Jesuit Georgetown U. It is all Masonic. Catholics at the highest levels of cardinals and bishops can and do become Freemasons and hang out with Freemasons. But the Papal bulls to the contrary are just official notices for public consumption. The Templars protected the Church and then became the Freemasons. The Knights of Malta took over the Templars role and their symbolism is also Masonic and Rosicrucian. These are the Illuminati bloodlines playing games with your head for centuries. I also believe there is a lodge in the Vatican called the Ekklesia Lodge, but I have not been able to confirm it yet. We shall see.
And “The NWO agenda isn’t all that bad either.”???? Where are you coming from dude?
Ed from the Army,
The plan is to have top brass and soldiers brainchipped so that a General in a bunker with Cheney or Obama for that matter, can direct orders directly from his brain into the brains of robotic “Iron Men” soldiers anywhere on Earth.
WWI and II were staged and fought to reorder the world geopolitically. Thus the League of Nations and the UN were born as steps to global government. Evry war since was staged on false pretexts to further the agenda along.
Can you tell us anymore about Ron Paul at Ft Clayton and can you elaborate on what you think it means? Thanks
Lame Cherry,
I am with you on the fact that most RP supporters are well-intentioned, freedom-loving Americans. It is just that when somebody shows them something that casts suspicion on their candidate, they tend to turn a blind eye to it, “for the greater good” or some such.
Mikey,
When I get time, I will write an essay for you. Okay? Meantime quit with the BS about shapeshifting reptiles, which proves that you are just here to trash the discussion, create chaos and not to debate on the issue of freemasonry in govt.
Dan,
Not a bad idea.
Natasha,
Right, the Matrix was already in place before any of us were born. It is cultural, religious, commercial and governmental. The high-tech surveillance grid is just the icing on the cake for the final global control. Enough of us breaking free of this matrix system mentally and otherwise is the only way towards a free society. But you have to fight for that and frankly most people either don’t want to fight or they don’t have a clue as to who the Enemy is. The Illuminati going way back into antiquity.
JWS,
Robert Anton Wilson was a “discordian” apologist for Aleister Crowley. His goal was not to inform, but to “stun and amaze”, lead people down the primrose path, but not to wake people up. Only fools and the spiritually corrupt enjoy his books JWS.
Dachsie
You sound like a good person, but in my opinion you are being controlled, though you don’t intentionally want that. Therefore you wait for some day in the future when “redemption draweth nigh” which is ultimately a cop-out, or should I say an “opt-out” of having to do anything to make the world a better place for future generations. This is where the Illuminati (who originated in the mists of antiquity) have most of the world’s population by the balls with the knife of eternal damnation held to their throats. Religion is the oldest con-game in the world, so you are obviously not alone in your belief. I only wish that you could see that religion was created for the purpose of control from the very beginning so it is not of matter of “infiltration” any more than the Mafia was “infiltrated” by criminals. It was set up by the elite esoteric wolves to control the commonor exoteric sheep and that is all. Jesus, the Fish (Pisces) is to return, but only as the next age on the zodiac wheel, Aquarius. That’s the illuminist Masonic cabalist joke and that is what you are waiting for, though you were told it was a man-god who was coming to save you. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is the biggest conjob in the world. I beg people to free their minds, but don’t listen to me. Just open your mind and do research until the pieces start coming together, and then continue to research to deepen your understanding. Think for yourself.
, Allen Wood // May 13, 2008 at 10:04 pm
To pjwalker911,
How refreshing to see someone like you, who has a complete understanding of the dangers of Freemasonry, and the New World Order. I am so pleased to read all of your posts. The highest levels of the Freemasons, for example have a special word for the manner in which they seek to to deceive and mislead not only the “profane” (you and me) but the vast majority of fellow Masons. That word is hoodwink. It is defined as the effort put forth by the lying men at the top echelons to keep lower level members in darkness. In the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, editor Dr. Albert Mackey, 33rd degree mason, and former Sovereign Grand Commander, claims that secrecy, silence, and deceit-in other words, hoodwink, is an absolute necessity so that, the mysteries of our art should be preserved. All of the above information comes from an expert on Freemasonry, and Illuminati, Mr. Texe Marrs. If anyone has any doubts about the above, please read the excellent book by Mr. Marrs titled “Codex Magica”. You can take the info found in this fantastic book to the bank. Another great source of info regarding Freemasonry can found by doing a search for Walter Veith. Freemasonry is Satanic. You don’t have to do a whole lot of research to prove this. Please wake up everyone, Satan wants total control, and he will have it if you let him.
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Allen Wood,
Knowing the Masonic Matrix requires the ability to discern truth from fiction and we are required to sift the truth from a wide variety of sources including those we don’t particularly like. And then how far down the rabbit hole are we prepared to go to uncover this system and expose it on all levels? That depends on a person’s commitment to the truth above any form of deception. And it is this deception that thhe Masonic Matrix relies on to function and exist and carry through its diabolical agendas down through the centuries.
xTo // May 13, 2008 at 10:22 pm
*rollseyes*
As I said above, good riddance.
Joseph Schultz: Those are my true feelings. Seriously – if people speculate on heresay so much about what organization x person belongs to, regardless of his past history, voting record, integrity, etc. then I say “good riddance they’re gone.”
Fact of the matter is, so long as we’re going to stay off-topic like this thread so graciously displays, we might as well go up to DC now and beg to get chipped, because we’re wasting our time bickering over stupid shit while the assholes in DC are passing the legislation to do everything that’s driving us nuts.
Then again, that’s what this poster counted on…and the people that fell for it are the paranoids that hear the word “Mason” and freak out and run.
Good riddance – they weren’t worth it in the first place; they were bound to be freaked out and run because of something eventually because they obviously don’t know how to trust other people in any capacity, and are thus prone to believe anything they hear.
Ron Paul’s been honest – he told y’all that this is gonna be a war. It’s too bad that you guys expect the weapons to be guns and knives rather than words.
This is a quiet war, you fools – the weapons are your words.
– xTo
P.s. – “Rofl Mao” is my dog’s name. It stands for “Rolling On the Floor Laughing My Ass Off” and it is by no means original, nor did I claim it to be. “roflmfao” is what I wrote, and it’s the same thing with an addition of “Fucking.” It is also, by no means, original, although I did not claim originality with it, either.
xTo // May 13, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Never forget: the populace’s belief in any given concept is directly a product of how verifiable the information they have been told is, and how much it’s been repeated.
BeliefInConcept = Verifiability * Repetition
If I repeat it enough, you’ll believe it.
If I tell you something that is easily verifiable, you’ll believe it even if I only tell it to you once.
If I mix and match a little bit of each, you’ll believe it, so long as I make it either just convoluted enough that you can’t easily verify it, or I repeat it enough that verifying it would take too much of your time.
– xTo
Kim // May 13, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I voted for Ron Paul and I had to hold my nose to do it. I voted to end the war, but he will not rein in global corporations one bit. He is a corporations wet dream, no controls, no min. wage, no safety net. Hey look at China in this quake, building standards as good as their toasters. See huge slabs of concrete with no metal inside. Now you got 18,000 people trapped. What would Ron Paul say…”oh well”
no thanks
ohgoodgrief // May 13, 2008 at 10:35 pm
I’ve gotten more truth from Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader than I have from Ron Paul. He is tied to the Jesuits, praises the Vatican, and for more than 20 years been leading real patriots and truth seekers down the garden path.
We don’t need a Ron Paul in the first place. We need the Lord. And possibly we need to start a national Town Hall type movement where local groups meet to discuss the oil barons robbing us blind and other topics. Congress will never do anything for this country other than mouth a few platitudes and collect their huge paychecks.
I have asked repeatedly whether my congressman will be having any town hall meetings prior to the election. Of course not. Why should he/she want to answer hard questions about banking, oil, or chemtrails. We need to start talking amongst ourselves – for free – in open town hall meetings about what we need to do about our national decline.
The metings alone would disturb the permanent cocktail circuit mindset in DC. It is the only way to get their attention. The Ron Pauls of the world are there to give us false hope. I believe he is a Mason as well. Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader have more to say about what’s really going on that Dr. Paul. He has said too many odd things that just don’t compute.
Inconvenient // May 13, 2008 at 10:36 pm
the attitude of the above calling people “paranoids” is why I don’t bother even talking to the majority of RP supporters anymore. Because they have not done the research, the truth is classified as mental illness in their eyes. Truly, those people who have been told the truth and still ridicule it are worse than the MSM flunky zombies who haven’t heard it at all.
Good riddance to you, too. By all means, continue to insult the real patriots and truth-seekers. I have no doubt that this plan of theirs will not be secret forever. And I doubt there will be many of us to say “I told you so” (not that we ever would, we just want YOU to wake up not any personal glory) because by the time it goes public, they’ll round us “troublemakers” up to the cheers of all the brainwashed fools. Well, they won’t stop with us, I guarantee that.
This is life and death people, and just because you didn’t do the research and fact-finding doesn’t mean you can hide from it forever.
P Young // May 13, 2008 at 10:37 pm
There is a side to R. Paul that is creepy, odd and cold. I guess now we know what it is.
ohgoodgrief // May 13, 2008 at 10:40 pm
and p.s. – godlikeproductions? As a source of info on any topic???? Give me a break. Only the really duped and confused trust anything on that posting site. It is THICK with rogue intelligence lurkers and posters. In short it is both a “mousetrap” and disinformation site.
tonto // May 13, 2008 at 10:50 pm
I agree GLP is an absolute cesspit psyop. They delete anything too dangerous and hoaxes spread faster than wildfires. The owners are run by the Tavistock Institue (worldwide cointelpro) and are traced to a spyware company.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND staying away from there.
pjwalker911 // May 13, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Stefan,
Thanks for posting that Google cache on the original post from “Oak”. Here is the uncut version:
Warning! Ron Paul is a Freemason!
Posted April 21st, 2008 by Svens Son
In another thread, I was discussing my disgust with the freemason, and how their secrets do affect each community, as their symbols are everywhere in every town.
I said I wouldn’t post anymore. But I’m breaking my promise. Because Ron Paul broke his promise to me. He never told us he was involved with the freemasons, which many of us do not like, and would have never supported him if we had known.
I feel cheated and lied to by Ron Paul.
Here’s the quote
—
Liberty Oak Ranch
Quit using Ron Paul as a forum for your bigotted beliefs. You don’t know anything about him or his ideals obviously. You also know nothing about the Freemason or Eastern Star organizations.
1. Ron Paul’s father was a Freemason and Dr. Paul has said himself many times that he respects the organization and has been to many of the open meetings in his district. I should know, I was his scheduler for ten years.
2. His wife, Carol is a member of the Velasco Order of the Eastern Star and maintains her membership in the Freeport area lodge.
3. Their daughters, Lori and Joy, were both Rainbow girls, another organization associated with Freemasonry.
Your hatefilled retoric regarding a benevolent, Biblically based organization is likened to those who have a fear of the unknown. It spawns lies and hate toward those who are innocent and have done good for others. Just try taking your child to the Shriner’s burn or crippled childrens hospital. They will take care of your child regardless of your ignorance and will do it free of charge. How many people has your paranoia helped?
—
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
For a woman to get into the Order of the Eastern Star, her husband MUST be a mason.
So we have Obama as a Prince Hall Mason, Hillary as an Eastern Star, Ron Paul most likely a member of the Scottish Rite, with his buddy Judge Jack Hightower, and the Nafta crew.
John McCain has been raised in the military, so doesn’t know what it’s like to have a real job. We are all screwed. Time to get pissed America.
Sorry manystrom, I liked your site, but I can no longer be a Ron Paul supporter.
But I’ve posted this info all over the internet. People need the truth, not a pack of lies.
Read up about the Order of the Eastern Star, and how the subliminally manipulate people into worshipping satan
http://www.chick.com/bc/1...
Output
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gkJoLnbPoYoJ:www.dailypaul.com/node/46429+Quit+using+Ron+Paul+as+a+forum+for+your+bigotted+beliefs.+You+don’t+know+anything+about+him+or+his+ideals+obviously+site:dailypaul.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Mark Earhart // May 13, 2008 at 10:52 pm
I have become thoroughly pissed off at Ron Paul, and feel betrayed by him since he has not done a damn thing to fight the voter fraud nationwide.
I donated all of the money I could spare to his campaign, but am in the process of removing his campaign stickers from my cars and have left the meetup group.
I now plan to vote for Chuck Baldwin, since I can not vote for any of the other three despots in good faith. I couldn’t sleep at night if I did so.
Ricardojohansson // May 13, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Regardless as to whom is elected to any political office, it’s time the People stood up and exercised both their proactive and reactive Collective Sovereign authority over their governments – and not just America. This would be great if it included most if not all countries around the world.
Please read: http://www.upbyron.com/index.php/cmsid__upnews
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 11:03 pm
PJ,
This is my last call for a public debate. Should the call go unanswered, so be it, but I think that all of your people would see the lies you hide behind if you don’t do it. I’m ready, are you?
Natasha // May 13, 2008 at 11:09 pm
JWS
You are completely wrong about Jesus Christ.
Jesus is exactly who he claimed to be, and your “zeitgeist” hogwash, shows that you are among the luciferians, who are now submitting this world.
There is a vast gulf between the merely religious and the elect of G_d, and Jesus Christ alone can place you among the latter. He is The Sacrifice, and by his gift do the chosen live eternally.
Ask and you shall receive.
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order.
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
Fatguy // May 13, 2008 at 11:36 pm
My Grandfather was a Shriner and was one of the finest persons I’ve ever known. I met a Knight’s Templar Mason in Las Vegas where he worked and he was completely aware of the zion-NAZI high Bush, Kerry, Rockefeller, Rothschilds and their associates and followers (murdering scum like Kissinger, etc.) and that they were demons. But many Freemasons do good works and others are complete scum. Most are O.K but those lodges who have police usually are rotton (not always). Small town mason operations are often very corrupt. Most people who join do so because they know someone whom they respect who’s in that lodge and join for that reason. So its a mixed bag. I would never join because I just don’t trust people that much. Now I find out that all of the rituals are from Talmudic Jewish lore and so you are supporting the Lucifer worshippers without knowing – depending upon the rites performed. People get in without knowing what’s really behind the curtain. That’s also why I never goin anything, church, whatever. It turns out that most big religeous operations have been secretly founded by the Rothschilds and their high masons. Like the Mormon Church, most of the evangelicals, Billy Graham, and in 1823 the Rothschilds took over the finances of the Catholic Church. I have a lot of Catholic relatives – they know nothing of the New World Order! The Catholic Church appears to have gone off on their own and that’s probably why they are labled as leftists. Ron Paul’s speaking in a hall of a Catholic University is no proof of anything. The fact that it has masonic symbols showed me that the Rothschild influence on that church has gone quite far. Like when they moves queers into the pristhood starting in the early 1900’s. What Paul has been preaching is quite the opposite of the mind controll jibberish of Bush, CNN, FOX, etc. So what are our other choices? And where could Paul speak that wouldn’t have possible question as raised in this article? The whole establishment has been either Freemason or Zion-NAZI so where do you find a building clean of such stuff? Not on almost any college campus. A Church? This article was written to break up the freedom movement and to sow discord. Nobody should be a blind follower but you need some harder facts, much harder, than in this article. The writer probably thinks that the trade towers were brought down by lasers or promotes that idea under a different name.
Fatguy // May 13, 2008 at 11:41 pm
I wanted to add another comment because I missed a couple of errors in my writing : Goin should be join and where I said the Catholic Church (lower down) being leftist, I meant the South American Church.
buster // May 13, 2008 at 11:59 pm
I see that comments here are censored. Of course they call it moderation though.
xTo // May 14, 2008 at 12:07 am
Inconvenient: I am not being insolent in classifying this thread as “paranoid.” The DSM-IV definition of a person with “paranoia personality disorder” (summarized, as it is, after all, a full chapter long) is:
“A person with a set of unjustified or illogical beliefs that causes them significant difficulties in maintaining lasting relationships.”
As such, these are the reason that I classify the people that digress from Ron Paul’s campaign due to this thread “paranoids:”
1. There is no proof that Ron Paul is or is not a Mason. For that matter, there is no proof that anyone in this thread is or is not a Mason. Just because a formal admission or denial of association with any given organization does not exist, we do not have any ground on which to speculate whether or not Ron Paul may be a Mason. For that matter, we do not have any ground on which to speculate whether or not you may be a member of Al Qaeda (any more than this sentence suggested that you may or may not be). That is a wonderful example of an “unjustified belief.”
2. Those that digress from his campaign due to this thread are ACTING on an unjustified belief. As such, they are committing a paranoid act.
Fact of the matter is, you’re not going to find another candidate that has the voting record that Ron Paul has, toward the guidelines set forth in the United States Constitution.
This entire thread is merely a gossip column, meant to keep it’s readers from doing something more useful with their time…maybe, as I am currently, like reading Ron Paul’s new book, “The Revolution: A Manifesto,” in which he overtly states that the commitment toward the set of guidelines established within the United States Constitution is more important than his candidacy or presidency.
He is being overt – if everybody here wants to gossip about unjustified suppositions, then they’re missing the point – this is about what we’re going to see happen at the end of this year: this is about the collapse of our currency, the collapse of our economy, and the end of America as we know it.
If we’re not spending our time directly fighting it as we are being fought – in the media, in Congress, in other American citizens’ minds – then we might as well go get chipped now, and we will have all the time in the world to gossip, as we’re further thrust into economic slavery.
Due to that, hey – Darwinian evolution. This thread just weeded out the people that would’ve bailed anyway, because they were more into the Ron Paul campaign due to his cult of personality than they actually care about anything like “freedom” or “patriotism.”
Again – Good riddance.
– xTo
Natasha // May 14, 2008 at 12:13 am
Why did you refuse delete my last comment?
I made no abusive remarks, and I used no proscribed language. I was also on topic, and very reasonable, in my response to JBS’s response to my earlier posts.
How, …. Beijing of you.
Booker T // May 14, 2008 at 12:19 am
Ron Paul – OUR PLAN
Haven’t you hear the anagram? Didn’t read all comments so don’t know if this is redundant.
Natasha // May 14, 2008 at 12:26 am
I see my question about your censorship was posted, and so let me try again to post the one you have yet to allow.
Here it is again.
————–
JWS
You are completely wrong about Jesus Christ.
Jesus is exactly who he claimed to be, and your “zeitgeist” hogwash, shows that you are among the luciferians, who are now submitting this world.
There is a vast gulf between the merely religious and the elect of G_d, and Jesus Christ alone can place you among the latter. He is The Sacrifice, and by his gift do the chosen live eternally.
Ask and you shall receive.
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order.
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250
Inconvenient // May 14, 2008 at 12:28 am
what an absolute joke, I care about freedom and patriotism way more than RP. He had the chance to blow the whistle on the BIGGEST thing causing us to lose our rights, and start more wars – 9/11. Even though he had said previously, he would support a new investigation, he made it out like that we’re all crazy – same as you insinuate, he goes on the most televised event outside of the debates and says “no that’s propsterous” that our government was involved in the attacks. Just look at the “intercept jets” flying at half-speed in the wrong direction. Look at the scripted media of that day, building up for more wars, to take our freedoms. Look at Bush sitting there GUILTY reading an upside down book about Baphomet , his pet goat. Don’t you ever question my desire for freedom, to be out from under the constant lies that blanket us every day. AND RON PAUL SOLD OUT TO THOSE LIES. He won’t say a word about how the voting process is a SCAM and a SHAM. Or how our two party system is completely run by the SAME PEOPLE. Give me a damn break. I was caught up in his record and his words, too but they are nothing but the token opposition and he won’t EVER go the extra mile. More of the status quo, who “accidentally” got too many people’s attention. In my opinion, he was in this race for the sole purpose to continue to cover up 9/11 because when it come out their whole house of cards come down. And they all have a lot to lose with that, including Ron Paul, whose loyalty to the Nazi GOP is more important than freedom for his grandkids. He’s been more of a detriment to the freedoma nd truth cause than a help. The only thing he really did was get people talking abbout the Constitution and about the Fed. The Fed – the only way thats going ANYWHERE is full-blown revolution. The Constitution just pretends to affirm what we should already have as human beings – freedom and dignity. I don’t trust him any more than the rest of the candidates still in it and I absolutely HATE them too. Freedom forever, not some BS mouthpiece that when the moment of truth comes, he wilts like a poisoned flower.
Natasha // May 14, 2008 at 12:36 am
Thank you for reconsidering and finally posting my comment.
I see I incorrectly addressed it to JWS, instead of pjwalker911 as I should have, however.
Thanks again.
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250
ohgoodgrief // May 14, 2008 at 12:37 am
You can generally recognize the moles in truth movement posting strings as follows: We are all going to get chipped, we are all going to get rounded up. It’s implied fear mongering. You want to get “chipped” and rounded up, that’s your choice. But don’t think you are convincing anyone in the truth movement that you are one of us.
xTo // May 14, 2008 at 12:45 am
You should know who you’re talking to before you spew off about 9/11.
First, I was one of the first on the scene after the towers collapsed, and for at least two weeks after.
Second, like so many others, there are now thousands of chemicals in my lungs, and I’m no doubt going to suffocate to death with a metric asston of tumors in my lungs, some fluid that’s a mixture of chemicals and my own blood, and, to top it off, most likely homeless (been there before – you think I expect the city of New York to do anything?)…
Third, yes, of course 9/11 is incredibly questionable, and by all accounts of scientists and military veterans alike (of which I am one), was an “inside job.”
Fourth – do you not have the slightest clue about the political process?
Let’s say that Ron Paul honestly believes (or, hell, even honestly KNOWS) that “9/11 was an inside job.” Do you know what would happen if he went on TV and said that ALOUD?!?!? You think this thread is pretty crazy, you should’ve seen the threads on CNN’s DB when they even INSINUATED that he thought that.
Next, do you have a clue what would happen to Ron Paul’s pathetically slim candidacy if he insinuated that the voting machines were rigged?…or most anyone’s candidacy, for that matter if they did the same?
Ask John Kerry about that one, and, while you’re at it go take a look at what happened to his support when he insinuated it, himself, by promising a set of lawyers to investigate, after the election. He put a bullet through his own political skull with that one.
Do they have civics classes anymore? This is all pretty basic stuff – the MOST that Ron Paul COULD do IS what he did – an independent group of his supporters posted what they’d heard about voter fraud being committed, Ron Paul himself stated that he’d be up for a new independent investigation, and that’s all he could ever do.
What other candidate has even publically proclaimed ANYTHING similar?
– xTo
(p.s. – the Fed’s at the core of the problem, and the Constitution is it’s opposition. Get off track from that, and you’re not a patriot, or someone that cares about freedom at all – you’re just yet another person looking to dictate other people’s lives in the ways that only YOU see fit.
Do you really think that your way of life would work for everybody, even those people that maybe do not place religion at the forefront of their lives, but maybe put their family at the forefront?
It is my own view that if any God really does exist, he(or she)’d rather have us use our lives to fulfill our own dreams, to our own extents of happiness, not that we should bicker and force each other into believing what we do.)
xTo // May 14, 2008 at 12:52 am
ogg: I am NOT a part of any movement, least of which the “truth” movement.
I am, however, realistic. When my employers started asking me to get chipped so they could monitor me in the workplace (besides the cameras they already had all over the place), and it was advertised to me as “it will make it convenient for you to enter and exit restricted areas, because you won’t need a card,” I saw the same temptation coming to the rest of America.
And I’ll say it again – you’ll get chipped unless you directly fight it now. And it will be so convenient and so useful and you’ll love it.
And you won’t realize that you’re just inventory on a spreadsheet or in a database somewhere because it will just be that transparent.
There’s nothing to be afraid of, in what I’m saying – it’ll be like having a credit card – at first, all your friend’sll get it, and then they’ll be asking you why you don’t have it yet, and then you’ll be accused of being a “nutcase” and a “survivalist” and a “loner” for not getting one.
And then you’ll have the choice – either isolate yourself from most of your friends, or get one yourself.
Hey – do you happen to have a credit or debit card in your wallet?
– xTo
Natasha // May 14, 2008 at 12:53 am
ohgoodgrief
That is just a little too simplistic, also it is so very convenient, for those who wish us all to remain complacent and at risk.
Natasha // May 14, 2008 at 1:03 am
Very well said xTo.
xTo // May 14, 2008 at 1:08 am
Thank you, Natasha.
I’ve been trying to view your writing at Totse and have been getting a 404 – Not Found error.
– xTo
ohgoodgrief // May 14, 2008 at 1:17 am
Nope – no credit or debit cards. I’m a Christian first last and always, and therefore a child of God, and a purist. Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. If you don’t have Christ you are definitely going to fear what somebody might “do” to you. Revelation has an excellent description of being chipped, and what will be the end of those who allow themselves to be. You are posting information that it is now inevitable. But you leave out that it is only inevitable in non-Christians. The book of Zechariah has a perfect description of the results of the neutron bomb. But I won’t be here to experience that either. What company in the U.S. required you to get chipped? Not that I expect an answer.
Dave // May 14, 2008 at 1:41 am
The Protestant Bible, King James version, was “authorized” by a Mason. Does that make it evil? Just asking. Maybe we could ask Dr Paul’s clergyman brother.
xTo // May 14, 2008 at 1:53 am
Companies that require you to get chipped in the US, currently, are either Fortune 500 or engineering firms, so no, I do not intend to answer that.
As for believing in Christ – everybody has their own beliefs. I believe that the Christian Bible is a pretty decent historical reference, outside of the superstition. Jesus Christ seems to be the perfect candidate for the first person ever to oppose centralized, unregulated banking, and he’d get the same punishment today as he did back then, for basically overturning a central banking authority (and he’d even be protested by modern day Christians, as stories about good that people have done are usually overshadowed by stories of bad that are glorified in the media, even today).
Expectation of an event is not an excuse for complacency about it.
If the Christian Bible predicted it so well, as you believe, then why would it tell you about it only to have you be complacent about it when it happens?
Who’s to say that you were told about it, not to prevent you from it, but to ensure your complacency about it, when the time comes?
I don’t fear the potential of anything, sir/ma’am…especially not after I’ve stared death in the face so much in my life, accepted the fact that I’m going to die, just like everybody else, and realized that the emotion of fear is a limiting emotion, not to be confused with a motivating emotion, like hope.
As such, I will not fear the possibility of anything happening to me, because until it does, my fear is only going to cause me to do something I wouldn’t do otherwise – something irrational or unnecessary, or even more limiting.
That does not mean that I will be complacent about things that I do not agree with. That is the path you now choose, not me – fight it or keep deluding yourself into thinking that it can not happen to you, that you are somehow protected by concepts in your mind, alone.
If God exists, God gave you this life to do something with. Either do it or let other people do it for you.
– xTo
I.A.O. // May 14, 2008 at 2:23 am
Clearly no one here understands Freemasonry or the message of Yeshua Ben Pandira. Everyone’s pride would have them boast they “know” history, and yet still can’t comprehend they know absolutely nothing.
Politcal and psuedo-masonic ideas are not what is important. Evolving our consciousness is.
Everyone on Earth has the psychlogical “I” which causes selfishness and all this worry to begin with.
Everyone’s worry causes either belief or doubt. Neither is actually knowing and both are limiting.
Perhaps we can all evolve out of our confused thinking in this age, and actually educate ourselves with gnosis, direct experience.
tweedle dee // May 14, 2008 at 2:34 am
Ahem: Jesuit contamination v P2 et al is a modern day aspect of what has happened to Roman Catholicism’s prime enemy, Free Masonry. Masonry is now a full time jesuit controlled front. Ron Paul is first and foremost a CONFEDERATE British and Vatican loyalist who does not really believe in the constitution and is another John Anderson fake meant to disunite and fractionalize political movements seeking return of secular democratic republicanism to our nation. Texas is the heartland for these fakes, as in Bush. All the religious hooo da is irrelevent nonsense for the masses. While Paul’s supposed allegiance to Free Masonry is made an issue, the more important unsavory associations are confederate organizations and anti AFrican hysteria traditionally promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church (hamitic myth). Free Masonry (originally cogizant of black african egyptian foundations and respectfull of it) is co-opted and a useful “demonic cabal” straw man trotted out by the usual Euro elite suspects and their intenet stooges attempting to destroy the United States in favor of the one world order that has been the goal of the Catholic Church since its inception.
Everything black and AFrican or egyptian is “evil” and occult and similar nonsense , such as is seen repeatedly on the Jeff Rense site or David Icke and others. When the pope met the head zionist rabbi for the USA in New York, the Rense site was silent as a tomb. Perhaps in actually believing in their own nonsense, they were simply struck dumb by the apparent conflict with the simplistic prattle that goes on that site. Not discussed: the issue of christian crusades using jews as usefull idiots for the pope’s design of conquest , never given up on to this day, for control of the gateway to riches both ancient and modern, via the choke point called, “the holy land”. (Israel, policeman of the middle east)
Hopefully, readers aquainted with history and interested in world politicks will comprehend the grand final combination of inquisition and holy crusade for resources and minds that is now occuring as an American president kow tows to the pope – unthinkable before Reagan the traitor recognized the Vatican as a country almost immediately after his election in complete variance with the constitution and over 200 years of American political tradition based on same with regard to kissing monarch ass or accepting royal titles.
This, our nation, was founded by free thinking diests and masons as a refuge from the inquisition and European blood bath crusades and is an attempt to reconstitute in part, the Roman Republic, distinct from the degrading and decadent Holy Roman Empire, which so obviously still exists, except to those who have not paid attention to all relevent news regarding the EU, UN and NATO.
The “demons” are international child sex slave and murder organizations using the mantle of religious authority to mask their sickening habits, and the chief pervert’s name is Ratzinger who provides sanctuary for the criminals in his newly recognized “country”.
Secrecy is inherent to masonry due to the inquisition you dumbells, just as it is to any organization intent on surviving the centuries of horrific tortures and executions (in the tens of millions, old world and new) by the roman catholic church and other christian crusaders (let’s be fair here) that torture and kill , destroying entire civilizations with alcohol infused orgies of global blood letting, then and now. This is why white people are so universally hated now globally, it is assumed we are all Christians.
Thomas // May 14, 2008 at 2:34 am
I don’t think Dr. Paul is going to make it past congress. do you?
I have followed the movement for a year and I think more good has come of it in 12 months than anything since the Vietnam war.
I think that Dr. Paul’s personna is authentic. I remain in that court until proven otherwise.
The behavior of the control grid towards Dr. Paul is believable. If he is “one of them” they are doing a good job of making him look like an outsider and this is consistent with previous “good jobs.”
I respect anyone’s thought that a public figure is “one of them.”
The grid is highly effective and my perception is that they control everything with so much effect
that any opposition is really, in fact, part of the grid. Perhaps unconsciously. Truth MUST be managed.
Should Dr.Paul’s authenticity be intact “they” are using him well now and will continue to do so.
Good news in all this?
Literally millions have begun to think about elements of the control grid. (the fed etc.)
Truth does exist. I don’t know where, but, it does.
Can the grid fail?
Of course it can and this is why.
Control is an illusion. It is a lie. A lie is darkness. Darkness by nature, is slow chaotic and imploding. It invariably fails.
It is not possible to control everything. It is not possible to fully control polarity. When you get a mass “under control” polarity creates the polarity of that “controlled mass.” The grid does a good job of controlling this “polarity effect.”
If you understand the mechanics of it all (I do not claim to) you just act like our “current controllers” and use Dr. Paul to begin to manage the “next polarity response.”
Even if he works for them, he is far closer to freedom than “they” are and this is why. If he is one of them, then the “polarity response” would be freedom. A person who is dedicated to the God within each man. If he is one of them he is the darkest of lies producing the polarity this…. the clearest of truths.
Sounds good to me.
The man does not appear to want power. He also, to me, has a reverence for God. It is not worn on his sleeve.
Much of these posts are speculative.
His views on liberty, God, war and family are remarkably genuine appearing and feeling.
If he is one of them, it is an excellent sign of their impending collapse. If they have to trot out this person they must truly believe they are screwed.
This man does not appear to want power. His reasoning is measured and his love for his children and supporters to me is genuine. I am a father and employer.
I judge the male human being by his demeanor to those who are younger and or more vulnerable than he and also his own family.
He takes genuine pleasure in these people. Genuine. Our system does not produce leaders with this trait. IT DOES NOT. the system “appears”to be genuinely threatened by him.
Children DID NOT LIKE Reagan. He was not genuine. Dr. Paul’s grand children stand above his desire for power/influence.
Lord knows, if he is one of them, I will be amazed, but, not fully surprised. The grid is thorough, so thorough in fact for me to know that this site is just another part of it.
Don’t feel bad, if you had the ability to break the grid and establish a free society? Your site would last about a minute and a half.
It is best to remember that it is all about frequency. A lie is low, the truth is high. A man who is a lie can only pretend to be of a high frequency. The human heart can sense frequency and they have not learned how to control this. Ask your heart about his man and others this will provide the answer.
“Of thou seekest the truth, look within thine own heart for there dwelleth the Lord.”
Best to all,
T
Joe Hyde // May 14, 2008 at 2:39 am
I believe that I saw a video on Utube of Ron Paul flashing the Horned Owl sign and it made me reconsider voteing for him. Anyone else have any thing along the same lines?
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 2:41 am
“Robert Anton Wilson was a “discordian” apologist for Aleister Crowley. His goal was not to inform, but to “stun and amaze”, lead people down the primrose path, but not to wake people up. Only fools and the spiritually corrupt enjoy his books JWS.”
PJ, You know little or nothing about R.A.W. by the looks of your reply.
Wilson is a Futurist, a philosopher, a writer of both fiction and non-fiction.
I personally don’t care for the man; he cheated me out of $15.00 (ordered one of his books on line and he took the money but never sent the book).
But he is a well qualified writer. He fancies himself as a hip human (an ego bigger than New York) but using a BS detector on a scale from 1 to 10, he registers “0″. Unlike you who register a 12 on the same BS detector. He’s a prankster, as was Aleister Crowley, and without a malicious bone in his body.
Methinks, you protest to loudly about the Masons and other semi-secret societies. I suspect it is out of an abject fear of the boogie-man. Either that or you have a hatred of all things that don’t fit into your world view. It matters little what the reason, you are loose with the desire to cast aspersions on others. In mental health circles its called “projection”.
For example, you have called me an idiot and a fool; could it be you’re trying to extricate yourself from those two negativities?
As to Ron Paul’s life style, it matters little what club or group or church or religious institution he subscribes to, his actions are far more noble than any of the other candidates. And that goes for either party.
He has brought many lives into this world. He can’t be all that bad, can he? –jws
Richiemagoo // May 14, 2008 at 2:51 am
It is utter absurdity to think that we can save this country- much less the world, by casting a vote. The powers that be have been working for over 100 years to subjugate the entire world and destroy any opposing religion(namely Biblical Christianity) which opposes it.
Our fathers may have been able to do something, as there was still some freedom in their days- but it is too late now- They were bought off with socialist programs and bread and circuses.
We’re not just fighting a group of corrupt leaders, but much of humanity itself, which has been brainwashed by state schools and the Zionist media.
Don’t worry about saving the world or this country- it is too late- WAY too late. Those of us who care, need to worry first and foremost about preserving what is left of our own freedom- to worship our God and live our lives and interact weith our neighbors according to the proinciples we believe in and live by- and to do so, we must come “out of the system” and live free, where they can not manipulate us through participation in their fraudulent economy, nor claim ownership and control of our children and property…nor regulate and control our every action and even our freedom to travel about.
It is time to move to the wilderness (there is still some in South America, beyond the reach of their tentacles). Live free or die.
donquicksote@live.com
Boris // May 14, 2008 at 2:54 am
Let us hang a politician or two! It will be a lot of harmless fun!
(with apology to Mark Twain)
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 2:56 am
BTW, this is a good time to make a political prediction. Next year at this time John McCain will be celebrating four and a half months as President of the USA.
Here’s why…
The Republicans know he cannot win against Hillary. That is why the main stream media has given Obama a free pass (to date) with very little negative reporting. Once he (Obama) is nominated the media will turn on him by bringing up little tidbits of information concerning his private life-style.
Hillary’s private life-style has been public knowledge for years so there’s more than a good chance of her winning the election, especially against the extremely low ratings of the Republican party.
McCain can win against Obama but not so against Hillary.
In any case, I suspect the electiion will be rigged like the last two and McCain will still be our next president.
Get ready for the draft, boys and girls, and don’t invest in Iranian or Syrian property. –jws
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 3:04 am
Boris, it has been said that no government is the best type of government.
We now know that is dead wrong.
We’ve had no government for the last hundred years and look at the mess we’re in! ;-) –jws
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 3:13 am
“I see I incorrectly addressed it to JWS, instead of pjwalker911 as I should have, however.”
Well, Natasha, it certainly clears that up. I was beginning to get paranoid about this mystery message. ;-) –jws
ohgoodgrief // May 14, 2008 at 3:36 am
Actually R Paul is kind of irrelevant to the movement at this point. He pretty much did that to himself this election season, starting with his deliberate failure to contest the first fixed primary (NH I believe). And there are too many moles on a thread like this to have a logical or sensible discussion. He is only the figurehead now of the “Ron Paul Revolution”, which is actually a good thing. The actual topic of this article is whether he kind of fooled people into believing he wanted to effect change. I voted for him, but with reservations, because I’ve been following his career for over 20 years, and all he ever really does is effectively explain that the Fed is a fraud. As a congressman, he never actually does anything about it. His actions are why it is clear to me that his allegiance isn’t really to change in DC. Dennis Kucinich on the other hand actually has the best health care plan, financed by booting the insurance companies out of the process. He has a current bill in congress on this, is my understanding. Posturing and philosophical claptrap, which posting strings like this always attract have nothing whatsoever to do with righting the wrongs in this country.
And truth is easy to find. It is found only in the person of Jesus Christ, who claimed to be the Son of God, not a politician. He made himself equal with God because he WAS and IS equal with God, and laid down his life for us. He said I AM the way the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father except by me. The Council of 13 at Kimball Castle in Colorado may think they are in charge, but God will have the final say, regardless of who obeys him in this life.
roncarla // May 14, 2008 at 3:49 am
I used to think that Freemasonry was evil also until I actually learned about it and quit reading “hearsay”. My daughter just joined Jobe’s Daughters and my son is going to join DeMolays. I am going to be initiated into the Daughters of the Nile and my husband is requesting to join the Masons. We are interested in being involved in the Shriners’ Organization. I have been to many events over the course of a year and I can tell you that as a Christian of 35 years, I have seen or read nothing that contradicts my Christian beliefs. I saw a DeMolay speech tonight about respect for Mothers that was unbelievably beautiful.
Samuel Cross Jr. // May 14, 2008 at 3:51 am
Being a mason does not make you part of the establishment- I am a Mason & I am against the NWO .I am also against the Federal Reserve, the income tax, the John birch Society , the Iraq War, the Iran War( if it happens), I believe GW Bush should be impeached. I also believe there is no global warming & I am also athird party independent voter and against illegal immigration & am for an even handed Middle East policy- so do not think all Masons think alike.
wil // May 14, 2008 at 4:02 am
Sometimes my comments don’t post here either but I think it’s the occasional net cyber-glitch.
jimmyjam // May 14, 2008 at 4:03 am
Nope, have not read all comments here,
but will tell you one BIG fact. ALL those
who possess a license to practice medicine,
law, and most other “professions”( please
excuse the spelling at this time) are members of some Masonic Lodge. One simply cannot acquire a license otherwise.
SO, naturally, Dr. Paul is no exception. Does this make him a bad dude ? I really dont think so. He certainly would have been the lesser of all evils.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 4:08 am
ohgoodgrief said, “And truth is easy to find. It is found only in the person of Jesus Christ, who claimed to be the Son of God, not a politician.”
You claim to know the truth, ogg. Truth needs proof does it not? Or is truth merely what a book says is the truth?
Setting aside, for the moment, whether a particular God is good or evil, what proof can you provide that this fellow called Jesus ever existed?
If such a proof of your easily to find truth exists, would not everyone concede the truth of this proof?
Logic itself is no proof of a truth; logic uses an apriori assumption to explain itself in a limited context, just as the bible uses a circular argument to prove the existence of it’s authors’ object of worship.
One can certainly profess faith in this deity or that deity, but faith offers not a grain of proof that a particular deity even exists.
Then there’s the question of whether or not a particular deity is a good deity or an evil deity.
You see how far we humans have come and how far we need to go in order to progress out of this circular argument.
Otherwise, your post was interesting… –jws
Justin Stark // May 14, 2008 at 4:15 am
Vacillating, I’m in, I’m out; I’m sort of in….no,
wait, I’ll just be s Symbol… WTF!?
R.P. is just a 21st Century R.oss P.erot. If he had
an balls or honesty, he would have declared as
an Independent, 3rd party Candidate, by now.
Our only chance, here, is leveraging one faction
against the others, and watching for potential opportunities to turn, and re-aim, this crippled
elephant called America.
In this one case, only, ‘Vyzohex’ is correct.
Other than that, he is just another ignorant,
self-indulging asshole.
ohgoodgrief // May 14, 2008 at 4:52 am
except that fulfilled prophecies are not circular arguments (start with Dead Sea Scrolls and Isaiah 53 if on unfamiliar ground here. I once heard Madeline Murray Ohair scream nonstop for 10 minutes on the radio in 1966, so that a Theology professor in Chicago could not explain the importance of the Dead Sea Scrolls. There’s plenty of proof, but God will not force you to examine it. He loves you but will not force you to love Him back.
Richiemagoo // May 14, 2008 at 5:12 am
To those saying that Masonry is harmless or even good- have you ever read the writings of some of its’ foundational members, like those of Manly P. Hall??? Have you even read the writings of some of its’ current or more recent high-degree initiates?
My goodness- hearing people say that Masonry is benign or even good is like hearing Catholics say that the pope is a Christian!
Scott // May 14, 2008 at 5:22 am
Those who are investigators of Skull and Bones need to look into it’s connection with Vril and Thule. The Black Sun is connected to all these secret organizations. The black sun is the sun symbol that all these secret societies use in their symbology.
Scott // May 14, 2008 at 5:46 am
The Thule Society is freemasons. The Vril Society is the Illuminati. They have been in cahoots for a very long time. Here is a link to an article that goes a long way to show the connection of all secret societies to the Black Sun. A.K.A. Lucifer/Satan…
http://www.greatdreams.com/solar/black-sun.htm
If you want more info come join this group…
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/end_times_prophecy_n_astronomy/
Scott // May 14, 2008 at 6:00 am
Now seeing that the Vril and Thule Societies have a agenda that relates to the Nazi Black Sun and that Ron Paul had the backing of the Great White Brotherhood… Well this is showing a connection I believe. Those reports about Ron Paul supposedly being connected to NESARA and it’s alien agenda well I assume there is a connection to Thule & Vril…
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 6:26 am
JWS,
You are an apologist for R.A.W. and therefore an apologist for Aleister Crowley who was a Mason, an agent of British Intelligence, a Satanist member of OTO and a Luciferian member of Golden Dawn take your pick. This alone speaks volumes about you.
I read one of R.A.W.’s books, and after puking, and that was all I needed from him. He was a jerk and if anyone with a head on their shoulders looks at the numerous videos of him they will see he was nothing but a bullshit artist playing semantic games, a chaos creator diverting people from the truth and just an all around jackass.
You JWS are no different.
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 6:47 am
Inconvenient,
I agree with you and you project sincerity, unlike an awful lot of the moles and useful idiots posting here. Thanks.
9/11 Inside Job!
Voting Rigged!
Government a masonic mafia!
Republicans are Fascists!
Democrats are Commies!
But they work together for the same New World Order!
Washington corrupt to its masonic foundations!
If Ron Paul isn’t a mason himself, he is more than happy to work with them and run smokescreens for his masonic masters.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 6:49 am
“except that fulfilled prophecies are not circular arguments (start with Dead Sea Scrolls and Isaiah 53 if on unfamiliar ground here.”
So, another book is your proof of truth. You don’t seem to get my point, oog. Circular arguments are no proof of truth. There are so many contradictions in all of the many Christian bibles it staggers the mind that so many people take them on blind faith — and now you bring in the dead Sea Scrolls to prove the “truth” of the bible. No wonder so many people take it upon themselves to dedend this deity or that deity when in truth it should be the other way around.
Fulfilled prophecies could just as well be the domain of the Sumerian Gods, Anu, Enlil and Enki. They at least were purported to have lived long enough life spans to see their own prophecies fulfilled. Nor would Christians give any credance to those Sumerian “lofty ones”… –jws
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 6:53 am
Lloyd Clinton,
I sure as hell do not put trust in you or your masonic brotherhood of psychopaths. Let’s just put it that way.
Other than that, I do not subscribe to any of your Illuminati-controlled religions. I much prefer to think for myself thank you.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 6:55 am
So far you have called me an idiot, a fool, and a jackass.
One word paints an accurate, my friend. COWARD.
Only COWARDS hide behind a keyboard and call people names.
My friend, you are “projecting” completely out of the picture. But then, you speak like many Christians when they cannot provide a good argument.
From now on I will address you as COWARD. –jws
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 7:02 am
By the way, I have not deleted a single comment from anyone posting comments to this thread. In fact I recovered quite a few that were destined for the spam box. I give everybody a chance to say their piece no matter how repugnant or ridiculous. So this is a free speech zone folks. Post away.
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 7:05 am
JWS,
You are the coward because you can’t face the truth especially when you have been outed as a mason-friendly occultist and admirer of RAW, Crowley and other evil men.
Frankly, this world is filled with way too many of your type and that is the reason we have the problems that we do. But you just keep on flapping your jaws, because you expose yourself with every breath.
I, on the other hand am not afraid to take an unpopular stand, alone if need be, because I have something you don’t have. Balls.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 7:10 am
BTW, my last post was addressed to PJwalker911, heretofore designated COWARD. Please insert the words “picture of you” between “accurate” and “my friend”.
I am an apologist for no one, COWARD. My opinios are mine and mine alone.
I do feel somewhat sorry for you though, COWARD. You are so afraid someone will shake up your world view, you will resort to silly outbursts and childish behavior to defend that view. Just goes to show why intelligence has nothing in common with good sense. –jws
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 7:13 am
Oh JWS, did I hurt your little feelings little boy?
I’m so sorry….. Now stop whining, grow some balls and say something of substance.
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 7:16 am
COWARD, your childish comments give you away for what you are.
I don’t belittle your opinions. I belittle your childish behavior and silly name calling. Your mother should spank you on a regular basis until you understand the utility of good conversation. Until then, you shall remain a COWARD with BIG BALLS and no BAT. –jws
Joseph W. Schultz // May 14, 2008 at 7:21 am
Yes COWARD you did hurt my feelings. But no, I’m no little boy. I’m three quarters of a century old. I bled in the Korean “police action” in 1953.
But more importantly, you should see what transpires when someone calls me names FACE to FACE.
Hint: I don’t buy them a drink, COWARD. –jws
ET // May 14, 2008 at 8:32 am
Albert Pike (the so-called pope of Freemasonry) even said in his book Morals and Dogma of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry that they will always give us our heroes to follow, I’m sure Ron Paul and Alex Clones are no exception to this rule…
ET // May 14, 2008 at 8:38 am
SHIT. I wish I had my Freemason book right now cause i’d be able to call that Joseph Schultz guy out hardcore for being the Freemasonic shill that he outwardly appears to be. Don’t worry PJ, he’s just making use of one of their revered Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences, specifically rhetoric. They are conditioned to believe that they have the ultimate power over the common people to venerate or admonish anything they want so long as they speak eloquently and with force. When I get the book back from my friend I will directly quote the passage about their liberal art of rhetoric here…
Michael // May 14, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Many of us have had Masons in our families. There is nothing wrong with Masons. As a matter of fact without the Shriners Childrens hospitals the burn reasearch they have done has saved hundreds of thousands of people. And any child can go to a Shriner hospital and get medical attention. Shriners are MASONS. Get off the Anti-Masonic bandwagon. Every mason I know is a good person. Just because they have their traditions and ceremonies doesn’t make them evil. Its a worldwide fraternity, regardless of religion or race. If more people acted like masons the world would be a better place.
Lloyd Clinton // May 14, 2008 at 1:40 pm
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 6:53 am
Lloyd Clinton,
I sure as hell do not put trust in you or your masonic brotherhood of psychopaths. Let’s just put it that way.
Other than that, I do not subscribe to any of your Illuminati-controlled religions. I much prefer to think for myself thank you.
Just as I thought PJ. Hide behind your website. Your readers should be proud of you.