Ron Paul speaking at Georgetown Jesuit University (Gaston Hall), alma mater of Carroll Quigley and Bill Clinton. Note the Freemasonic symbols on the wall behind him.
Bilderberg steering committee member is Ron Paul’s biggest campaign donor
Ron Paul Is A Freemason Says Tarpley
Are Alex Jones, Ron Paul, And Jesse Ventura, Freemasons?
Masons rush to rescue Ron Paul from the ‘dreaded evil Freemason smear’ political disease
I know this is a taboo subject among Ron Paul supporters, of which I was one myself in the very beginning of his presidential campaign. And even if it is proven beyond any doubt that he is a freemason, many will just put it aside and pretend it doesn’t matter “because he is such a decent and honest man” etc. But many others are very curious to know what RP’s status is regarding Freemasonry because it does matter, and I fully intend to find out myself. Therefore, it is high time we started talking openly about it and try to ascertain the truth, one way or another.
I just happened to stumble across this comment over at the Daily Paul yesterday, and thought that I should share it with whoever is interested in knowing whether or not Ron Paul is a Freemason.
This does not prove anything in that regard, however it makes the probability that he is a Freemason very much higher since Eastern Star members are generally married to Freemason husbands, Rainbow girls are generally children of masons and because Ron Paul’s father was also a mason. And in addition, according to the comment, he “respects the organization”, which is wholly uncharacteristic of anyone who is supposedly fighting against the masonically-inspired New World Order. Ron Paul is also an unofficial member of the John Birch Society, which was founded by masons, funded by Nelson Rockefeller and run by Jesuit-trained Knights of Malta. In other words, the JBS is a gatekeeper organization, designed to control the opposition and make sure nothing substantial is ever done to impede the New World Order system which just keeps on rolling over humanity. How about the Jahbulon Bullshit Society for a more appropriate name?
Here is the comment in full rebutting an anti-masonic posting:
Ron Paul and Freemasonry
On April 20th, 2008 the oak says:
Liberty Oak Ranch
Quit using Ron Paul as a forum for your bigotted beliefs. You don’t know anything about him or his ideals obviously. You also know nothing about the Freemason or Eastern Star organizations.
1. Ron Paul’s father was a Freemason and Dr. Paul has said himself many times that he respects the organization and has been to many of the open meetings in his district. I should know, I was his scheduler for ten years.
2. His wife, Carol is a member of the Velasco Order of the Eastern Star and maintains her membership in the Freeport area lodge.
3. Their daughters, Lori and Joy, were both Rainbow girls, another organization associated with Freemasonry.
Your hatefilled retoric regarding a benevolent, Biblically based organization is likened to those who have a fear of the unknown. It spawns lies and hate toward those who are innocent and have done good for others. Just try taking your child to the Shriner’s burn or crippled childrens hospital. They will take care of your child regardless of your ignorance and will do it free of charge. How many people has your paranoia helped?
Source: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46310
Unfortunately, the link now says “access denied” for whatever reason. Maybe you can explain to me why the link no longer works. I even tried to find the page again through a Google search (how I found it originally) and nothing. Poof! Gone. No trace. Not even a Google cache available. I wonder why? Hmmm….
If anyone knows the actual identity of this “scheduler” with the handle of “Liberty Oak Ranch”, please share it here with us to help confirm the validity of the comment.
I looked up the Eastern Star chapter being referred to if anyone wants to try and research this further:
Velasco Chapter No. 220 (District 4)
Worthy Matron: Mrs. Leota Romine
Worthy Patron: Paul Romine
Secretary: Mrs. Yvonne Huffhines
1210 N. Avenue O
Freeport Texas 77541
2nd & 4th Mon 7:30pm
Ph. (979) 233-1567
Then, one might assume that Ron Paul frequently goes (as the scheduler claims) to meetings at a masonic lodge in the same area, so I found this lodge listed with the Grand Lodge of Texas website which it would seem is a very likely candidate for being one of those lodges he attends:
Velasco Masonic Lodge #757
Douglas Raborn W.M.
email Edward Garcia edgarcia005@sbcglobal.net
Masonic District 31-C
Located in Brazoria County
115 year old Lodge ( Charter granted December 8, 1893)
Members: 176
Lodge Address: 1210 N. Ave. O, Freeport 77541
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 757
Meetings: First and Third Tuesday of each month, 7:30 p.m.
Lodge Phone: 979-233-3623
As I gather more information on what I am 90% sure is a fact, that Ron Paul is a high Freemason of the 33rd degree or above, who knows the masonic agenda and yet keeps it all a secret from his supporters (as Dick Cheney kept his CFR membership a secret from his constituents in Wyoming), I will immediately pass it on to you the public who have a right to know the truth.
PJ
PS: Keep an eye on this post as I believe I will be updating it with new information over the next few weeks and months. If you have something definitive regarding Ron Paul’s membership in any secret society, please post a comment with specifics.
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Related
Ron Paul Freemasonic Connections
Campaign For Liberty: Polls
Is Ron Paul a Freemason, and does it matter either way? Only 2 votes: one Yes, one No. Haha. Divide and conquer.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/poll.php?view=1089
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=20112
John Birch Society Aug 21, 2009 Ron Paul Speech Part 1
John McManus at Ron Paul Tea Party 2007 – Part 1
“Ron Paul is associated with the John Birch Society. He’s the only Congressman rated 100% on their Conservative Index, and back in the day when I was a member, he was well known as “our guy” with close ties to JBS.”
“I have a lot of friends in the John Birch Society… I don’t know how many positions they would have that I don’t agree with.” -Ron Paul
And then Ron Paul says he is against the Federal Reserve? You Ron Paul supporters have been sold a bill of goods.
Yet another connection of the Jesuits and JBS. This man John F McManus was close, personal friends with Founder Robert Welch for many years.
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/ron_paul.html
Georgetown’s Jewel in the Crown
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Built in the Flemish Romanesque style by architects Smithmeyer and Pelz, the building contains the Office of the President, John J. DeGioia; Georgetown’s Department of Classics; the Kennedy Institute of Ethics; and the National Reference Center for Bioethics Literature. [EUGENICS!]
Notable rooms in Healy include Riggs Library, one of the few extant cast iron libraries in the nation; the Philodemic Room, the meeting room for the Philodemic Society, one of the oldest collegiate debating clubs in the nation; the grand Hall of Cardinals; the historic Constitution Room; and the Carroll Parlor, which houses several notable pieces from the university’s art collection.
Perhaps the grandest space in the building is Gaston Hall, Georgetown’s “Jewel in the Crown”, the 750-seat auditorium which has played host to multitudes of world leaders and which seems perpetually to be the backdrop of C-SPAN. Gaston Hall, located on the third and fourth floors and named for Georgetown’s first student, William Gaston, is decorated with the coats of arms of the Jesuit colleges and universities
Ron Paul talks money and voting in Gaston Hall
Gaston Hall Georgetown
Ron Paul Says U.S. Weakening Constitution
Texas Congressman and Republican Presidential Candidate Ron Paul spoke in Gaston Hall during a speech sponsored by the Georgetown University Lecture Fund.
Who else gave a speech at Gaston Hall?
Georgetown Says It Covered Over Name of Jesus to Comply With White House Request
List of Speakers at Gaston Hall Georgetown University
Rupert Murdoch
Barack Obama
Ron Paul
Tony Blair
Ron Paul lauds Catholics, Shriners and the Polio Vaccine
Ron Paul on Larry King 2009-10-31: Worked in Catholic hospital and supports both Catholic and Shriner hospitals. Says Polio vaccine good.
Ron Paul: Well, no, but we don’t have a history in this country of that happening, even before government started managing healthcare. I practiced medicine in both circumstances in the early sixties. We didn’t have managed care and I worked in a Catholic hospital. I made $3 an hour and nobody was ever turned away and there were many, many church hospitals and you had Shriner’s Hospitals and a lot of free care was given.
Ron Paul Chairman The Conservative Caucus
Conservative Caucus
http://www.conservativeusa.org/
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Conservative Caucus, or TCC, is an American public policy organization and lobbying group emphasizing grassroots citizen activism and headquartered in Vienna, Virginia, a suburb of Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1974 by Howard Phillips, who continues to lead it today. Most of the organization’s $3.8 million budget comes from the efforts of New Right fundraising gurus Richard Viguerie and Bruce Eberle. The organization produces a weekly conservative television program, Conservative Roundtable, which is hosted by Mr. Phillips. Howard Phillips is also President of The Conservative Caucus Research, Analysis and Education Foundation (TCCF), a 501(c)3 tax deductible organization.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Richard Art Viguerie (born September 23, 1933 in Golden Acres near Houston, Texas, USA) is a conservative figure and writer on American politics. He is the current chairman of ConservativeHQ.com. Viguerie has been dubbed the “funding father” of modern conservative strategy in the United States. Viguerie worked for the Christian evangelist Billy James Hargis in his early career.
In 1977, Viguerie worked on a project to raise money for Sun Myung Moon’s Children’s Relief Fund, which reportedly only received 6.3% of the $1,508,256 raised. $920,000 went to Viguerie according to New York State charity auditors.
Viguerie has long been associated with conservative activist Howard Phillips through creation of the Moral Majority in 1979.
In January 2008, Viguerie launched http://www.ultimateronpaul.com , a website designed to promote the 2008 presidential candidacy of U.S. Congressman Ron Paul, whom Viguerie described as “truly a principled conservative in the grand tradition of Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan” and who “has differentiated himself from all the other candidates, whose allegiance is to Big Government Republicanism.”
Eberle Communications Group, Inc.
* Tom DeLay, John Ashcroft: “Bruce Eberle runs Eberle Communications Group, Inc., which is involved in Tom DeLay’s fundraising scandal.
Lamar Smith, Bruce Jackson: “Lamar Smith (R-Texas) … Head of the House Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet and Intellectual Property. Also involved in Immigration and Homeland Security committees. … Eberle was a Lockheed employee. The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq was founded by ex-Lockheed VP, Bruce Jackson.”
Bruce Eberle
Bruce Eberle is the President of the Eberle Communications Group, Inc. an organization that has helped its nonprofit clients raise $1 billion over the past 3 decades.
http://www.bruceeberle.com/
Young Americans for Freedom
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
YAF faced opposition from groups like the American Nazi Party because of the presence of Jews in the organization and its close relationship with Marvin Liebman. Most members also kept their distance from segregationists such as George Wallace and conspiracy theorists such as the John Birch Society.
However, YAF did honor staunch segregationist and Senator from South Carolina Strom Thurmond with its Freedom Award in 1962. Some of its members were also behind the ‘Welcome Mr. Kennedy to Dallas’ ad placed in the Dallas Morning News (coincidentally on the morning of JFK’s assassination), which implied Kennedy was Communist and accused him of ignoring the constitution.
Campus activism, 1985-1990
As YAF grew older, most of the original members went on to other things, while younger members dominated YAF. During this era, a new generation of liberal and radical activism was growing on college campuses, and members began focusing on opposing these movements. This growth was strongest in California, where members staged protests in favor of aid to the Nicaraguan Contras
YAF’s indirect influence is felt through the number of conservative political figures who began their careers as members in college.
These alumni include former national chairman and former U.S. Representative Robert Bauman; former California chairman and former California legislator Pat Nolan; U.S. Representative Dana Rohrabacher; former Vice President Dan Quayle; Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Chris Cox; U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo, a 2008 presidential candidate; American Conservative Union Chairman David Keene and a great number of other national and state politicians.
Howard Phillips (Jewish politician) [note: Goldwater Republicanism who was also Jewish and a Mason)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Howard Phillips (born February 6, 1941) has served as the Chairman of The Conservative Caucus, a conservative public policy advocacy group, since 1974.
Jewish by birth, Phillips converted to evangelical Christianity in adulthood and has been associated with Christian Reconstructionism.
Phillips left the United States Republican Party in 1974 after some two decades of service to the GOP as precinct worker, election warden, campaign manager, Congressional aide, Boston Republican Chairman, and assistant to the Chairman of the Republican National Committee. In 1978 Phillips finished third in the Democratic primary for the US Senate in Massachusetts.
During the 1970s and 1980s, Phillips coordinated efforts to build private sector support for anti-Communist “freedom fighters” in Central America and Southern Africa. He played an instrumental role in the leadership of the New Right, as well as in the founding of the religious right in 1977.
In the United States, the New Right refers to a conservative political movement that coalesced through grassroots organizing in the years preceding the 1964 presidential campaign of Barry Goldwater. The Goldwater campaign, though failing to unseat incumbent President Lyndon B. Johnson, galvanized the formation of a new political movement. In elite think-tanks and local community organizations alike, new policies, marketing strategies, and electoral strategies were crafted over the succeeding decades to promote strongly conservative policies. The New Right got a policy approach and electoral apparatus that brought Ronald Reagan into the White House in the 1980 presidential election. The American New Right is distinct from and opposed to the more moderate tradition of the so-called Rockefeller Republicans. The New Right also differs from the Old Right on issues concerning foreign policy with the New Right being opposed to the non-interventionism of the Old Right. Though mostly ignored by scholars until the late 1980s, the formation of the New Right is now one of the fastest-growing areas of historical research.
Archbishop Timothy Dolan of Milwaukee, a conservative but generally conciliatory Catholic cleric, has been appointed archbishop of New York — the job Pope John Paul II once characterized as “archbishop of the capital of the world.”
Peter Schiff who Ron Paul followers avidly support (exposed himself)
Mark Skousen’s Website for the Best of Money and Economics
[PIC MARK SKOUSEN WITH David Rockefeller!!}
The purpose of my two-hour, one-on-one interview with David Rockefeller, the former chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank and the youngest grandson of oil magnate, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was to learn his assessment of the new global free market economy of the 1990s and beyond.
First, Rockefeller said that despite his top-level connections, he had not anticipated the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
He also expressed deep concern about the banking crisis, which he says is spreading worldwide. “The Japanese banks are not having an easy time as they once had.”
Finally, in his most surprising statement, he revealed he considers himself a follower of the Austrian school of economics. Friedrich Hayek had been his tutor at the London School of Economics in the 1930s.
Ron Paul “Advisor” Shows up at 2008 Bilderberg Meeting
PETER THIEL IS ON THE ….2008 BILDERBERG BUDDIES LIST
RON PAUL “ADVISOR” IS A KNOWN BILDERBERGER !!!
WHEN YOU ACCEPT AN INVITATION TO A BILDERBERG MEETING YOU SELL YOUR SOUL TO THE NWO.
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
Before the US House of Representatives, April 6, 2005.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to join my colleagues in paying tribute to the life and legacy of Pope John Paul II. Pope John Paul II was one of the great religious leaders of modern times, and an eloquent champion of human freedom and dignity. Unlike all-too-many misguided religious leaders, the Pope understood that liberty, both personal and economic, is a necessary condition for the flourishing of human virtue.
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
Members of Congress from both political parties outdid themselves last week in heaping praise upon Pope John Paul II in the wake of his passing. Many spoke at length on the floor of the House of Representatives, and some even flew to Rome for his funeral.
I’m happy to witness so many politicians honoring a great man of God and peace. The problem, however, is that so few of them honored him during his lifetime by their actions as legislators. In fact, most members of Congress support policies that are totally at odds with Catholic teachings.
Both conservatives and liberals cannot understand that the Pope’s pronouncements were theological, not political. He was one of the few humans on earth who could not be bullied or threatened by any government.
He was a man of God, not a man of the state. He was not a policy maker, but rather a steward of long-established Catholic doctrine. His mission was to save souls, not serve the political agendas of any nation, party, or politician.
Pope blesses U.N. flag, calls for “binding international rules”
Ron Paul Freemasonic Connections. PROOF!
illuminati Hand Signs and Handshakes – Ron Paul
Ron “Temporal Coadjutor” Paul is a fake
I call Ron Paul a fake and a traitor because of his compromising and cowardly stand with regard to the federal government. Aaron Rousso’s interview of him in From Freedom to Fascism furthers this conclusion. Instead of resigning as a Congressman over the Federal Reserve Fraud, the theft of our gold and silver coins and the Income Tax Fraud, he still files his tax returns and votes for Congress to accept money from the Federal Reserve at the beginning of every fiscal year.
Ron Paul should resign from Congress and publicly state that the State of Texas is the slave of the Federal Reserve System—and thus the Papacy. He should advocate secession of the State of Texas and work diligently to that end.
He stands by and watches the alien Mexican invaders swarm into Texas thus driving the Whites to the extreme of right wing fascism beginning with the “Minutemen.” If Ron Paul was really an enemy of the system he purports to resists he would have been silenced or murdered years ago—like Senator Paul Wellstone.
No, Ron Paul is one of them.
I asked him about Ron Paul. I suggested Ron Paul was on the globalist’s team. He agreed with me — further adding, “they deliver us our hereos.” I respect that because he said it over RBN’s network… the same network that has a contract amongst it’s hosts (just like Alex Jones’ GCN Network) that says you can’t say bad things about other hosts. And since it’s obvious both RCN and GCN networks force their hosts to say great things about Ron Paul, I’m impressed.
Click on the video below to view “Peter Schiff Was Right,” a much-heralded collection of highlights from these appearances:
[“EMBRACE THE RECESSION, STOP CONSUMING, START PRODUCING” IS HIS CURE, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT THIS WAS ALL ENGINEERED TO COLLAPSE BY THE ONES WHO TOOK THE BAILOUTS. GOES WITH RON PAUL SAYING BIN LADIN CAUSED THE COLLAPSE. SCHIFF SAYS “MEDICINE TASTES BAD, BUT YOU GOTTA SWALLOW IT” IN OTHER WORDS, “SUCK IT UP”]
Illuminist Libertarian PRO-RON PAUL site run by occultist Tracy Twyman:
quintessentialpublications.com
Ron Paul: Cloak of the Illuminati
RON PAUL’S REGULAR APPEARANCES ON THE CONTROLLED MEDIA (In other words, to claim he is ignored by the mainstream media is simply a lie designed to falsely give him ‘street cred’ as a mythic “outsider”)
Ron Paul to Bill Maher: America’s War on Drugs Must End
Ron Paul and DL Hughley on CNN
Ron Paul Takes Down A Baldwin On Legalizing Drugs on Larry King
Ron Paul to Appear on CNN D.L. Hughley Breaks The News
THEME FOR THE CPAC EVENT: [HEROS] GOLDWATER, REAGAN GINGRICH!! AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT LIMBAUGH SPOKE FOR A LONG TIME TO MANY OVATIONS, BRAGGED ABOUT HANGING OUT WITH BUSH AND PRAISED THE TEA-PARTIES. GINGRICH ALSO SPOKE. SHEEP-HERDERS!
THE COUNCIL FOR NATIONAL POLICY
RSICC – a John Birch-Society smokescreen-frontgroup/cell?
“…Not only will the JBS never say a single word about Zionism, it will also never say a negative word about Freemasonry. It used to write positive things about Freemasonry but now simply carefully says nothing at all about Freemasonry….”
Ron Paul Catholic Connections and other info
Ron Paul the illuminati
Ron Paul’s Vote gives the president authority to use military force!
One Hundred Seventh Congressof theUnited States of AmericaAT THE FIRST SESSIONBegun and held at the City of Washington on Wednesday, the third day of January, two thousand and one…
Joint Resolution
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.
Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens…
Ron Paul: Greek Brother
Ron Paul’s links to Secret Societies
The Cross & Crescent staff meet some of Lambda Chi Alpha’s most successful members. During each interview, they inevitably say how proud they are to be a Lambda Chi.
Cross & Crescent (ISSN 1930-1278) is an online alumni magazine featuring stories about prominent and interesting members. Its mission is to recognize the accomplishments of individuals and groups by publishing alumni, chapter, and Fraternity news. The Cross & Crescent is Lambda Chi Alpha Fraternity’s flagship publication.
Tom McClintock’s Ku Klux Klan Problem
David Dayen has some breaking news over at Calitics. Turns out Tom McClintock, carpetbagger opponent of Democratic candidate Lt. Col. Charlie Brown in CA-04 who is currently a State Senator in a district that runs from the LA suburbs to Santa Barbara County, is running for congress in a district hundreds of miles away up in the northeast corner of the state and has run for two previous statewide offices unsuccessfully including for governor in the 2003 recall, was actually endorsed for governor 5 years ago by none other than the Ku Klux Klan.
Ron Paul Calls for Support of His Friend Tom McClintock
Fred Thompson to Appear at Tom McClintock Fundraiser
Fred Thompson makes radio ad for Tom McClintock
Which Big-Government Socialist Will Tom McClintock Endorse Next?
Tom McClintock “Not Sure If Ron Paul Is Presidential Timbre”
Ron Paul Becomes Qualified as Write-In Candidate in California
Some observers have predicted that Paul may get as many as 250,000 write-in votes nationwide, although they will not be counted in other states. Ron Paul is on the ballot in Montana and Louisiana. A Montana poll released today gave Ron Paul 4.2%, exactly the difference between Obama and McCain (Bob Barr receives 1% in this poll).
Ron Paul write-in split in RP revboluton vote between Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin.
Why in hell would Ron Paul endorse Baldwin, telling people to vote for him when he is still running as a write-in?????
Rob Paul Advisor at 2008 Bilderberg meeting
Billionaire Peter Thiel Joins Ron Paul Revolution
In December 2007, he endorsed Ron Paul for President. January 18, 2008, The Sons of Liberty, a Political Action Committee endorsing Ron Paul, was created with $80 million of Peter’s own money.
Famous Baptists who were Freemasons
Southern Baptist Convention’s A Report on Freemasonry An estimated 400,000 – 500,000 Southern Baptist men are Masons.
“Every president of Baylor University has been a Master Mason.”
Ron Paul’s Faith Snapshot: Religion/Church: Baptist
Ron Paul: Says 9/11 could have been prevented if we had second amendment protection
The Ron Paul that Ron Paul doesn’t want you to know
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Note: The above evidence that Ron Paul is a principle tool of the Illuminati Elites used as a controlled opposition neutralizer represents only the tip of the iceberg. I have only had time to add oh maybe 5% of what is available on the subject. And that does not include his many sketchy connections to major globalists like Peter Thiel, his billionaire Bilderberg backer…enough said. If you don’t get it by now, you are beyond hope.
And all those of you who have attacked me for exposing Ron Paul, we know who you, that you are a bunch of lying psychopath scumbags working for the NWO.
PJ
Aftermath News 
Fear of the unknown–with good cause over the eons!
And whose fault is it if it’s unknown–or anything else for that matter?
We’re secretive–trust us?
Maybe he’s trying to taint Paul?
I don’t think so.
Look, I jumped on the RP bandwagon from the start before anyone ever heard of him because he was saying mostly all the right things. But the fact remains, if we can prove he is a mason, and a high degree one at that, then anyone who is fighting this NWO had better call it quits with him because all they are going to get is pleasing words and smokescreens. More controlled opposition.
Personally, I don’t even need to know if he is a mason or not because A) he supports the name of Reagan, a Boho-grover who was just another traitor puppet, B) he uses the image of Guy Fawkes, a Jesuit terrorist, C) he publically denounces 9/11 truthers, D) he is deeply involved with JBS which is nothing but another elite brotherhood frontgroup, E) he praises the Vatican which most of the Founding Fathers abhored and basically, despite many many years in office he has not done anything to actually stop any aspect of this NWO system from being implemented.
Why then should we abandon all common sense and throw our trust to such a man?
They are all lying to the people. Every last damn stinkin one of them. Carlin was right. They don’t give a flyin fuck about you.
I agree. Well keep us updated.
Your opinion about the John Birch Society is pretty narrow minded during the cold war, The John Birch society was the heart of the recistance against the new world order and was the first organisationwho’s chairman publicly stated that communism and socialism were both part of a much bigger master conspiracy set up about bringing world government into being. FYI. Larry Mcdonald the chairman im talking about got shot down by a Sovjet MIG along with around 300 more passengers in a commercial plane 3 months after his public release of this information, This is considered the most intense moment of the cold war after the cuban missile crisis, To see this TV interview with Knight of Malta Pat Buchanon CFR Member Tom Braden go to video google and search for Larry Mcdonald
Government is a sham. Politics is a theater to keep us thinking we have a process and that our votes gain us access to it. Any of these politicians who enter the phony presidential horse race have sold themselves out, including Paul, who has demonstrated a proclivity toward speaking out of both sides of his neck depending on whether he’s on the alphabet networks or Alex Jones.
Paul’s just another D.C. whore with his special talent of playing the good cop.
By the way, Paul, too, has demonstrated his reverance of Rome:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul244.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul242.html
The system is corrupt. Those who enter it are as well. Frankly, we’re in deep sneakers and, this time, the calvary ain’t coming to save us.
“I jumped on the RP bandwagon from the start ” “A) he supports the name of Reagan, a Boho-grover who was just another traitor puppet, B) he uses the image of Guy Fawkes, a Jesuit terrorist, C) he publically denounces 9/11 truthers”
Heh it is obvious what you are trying to do Nico (a well deserved comparison), say you are part of the movement, and then try to marginalize the movement, great job. It is like driving a car in the snow, when you slide, steer into the slide and at the most opportune time steer out of the slide.
You are doing nothing but trying to pretend to support a candidate, and withdrawal your alleged support at a convenient time, you are just trying to marginalize him and his supporters hence your use of the term bandwagon. Now onto the facts he supports the name of Reagan… umm really now?
Actually the media are the ones that attached a stigma to not respecting Reagan, they even asked a question why Reagan would support each candidate after placing said stigma. What was Paul supposed to do after the media propped up Reagan as some JFK-like people’s hero? Was he supposed to say Reagan would not support me? Give me a god damn break with that, it was a loaded situation regarding Reagan. He uses the image of guy fawkes a terrorist… really?
This is another media perpetuated lie again. Ron paul did not organize the donation days, and did not label them either. A supporter of Paul organized the Nov. 5th donation day, so any comparison or image that was used for that donation day was the doing of a supporter of Paul’s, not Paul. What was Paul supposed to do, denounce the dontation day and say please don’t donate to me? Once again give me a god damn break.
He publicly denounces 9/11 truthers, once again are you serious? When asked on faux news if he believed the government carried out the attacks of 9/11 after marginalizing “conspiracy theorists” to such a high extent, what is he supposed to say Yes the government did it and then be further marginalized by the news station, the same news station that called Ron Paul a racist. Let’s say okay okay he doesn’t think a conspiracy was involved as he has said, when asked by a supporter if he would support a independent investigation into 9/11 guess what he said. He said “Yes I would”.
He is the only remaining candidate who promised if president he would support a new investigation. So all of your supposed facts, are actually nothing more than a means to marginalize this candidate, and I would go even further and suggest you were never really a Paul supporter regardless of what you say.
All of your talking points, and facts were just a few examples of media perpetuated talking points. If he was a member of the New World Order/Globalization the media would not be marginalizing him and blacking him out to such an extent, period. They would cover him to soak up all the dissenters because if he was a member and became president he could more easily sell the dissenters down the river more quickly than anyone else could do.
Do you want to know why the media had him on Fox and asked him if he believes the conspiracy of the government planning the attacks? They did this to try to lessen his support as it is their believe that the only reason he had such a great base of supporters was because his supporters are mostly conspiracy theorists, and if they got him to say no he doesn’t think the government did it they would abandon him.
It was a loaded question. If he said he didn’t think the government was involved he would lose some support from those who think the government did it, and if he said yes the government did it then they would have fodder to further marginalize him on network television. You using this media talking point as any kind of proof really shows your intentions, thanks for outing yourself… PJ.
PJ you have the most rational comment, and thanks for it. How readily and greedily those who climb aboard the blame train are with very little effort to even wait out what may or may not come out of this accusation.
I have followed RP for years and he has been consistant in his voting and his record of statements of faith.
Finally I didn’t know that you could be higher degree than 33 anyway??????
I am outing myself as an individual thinker, not just another sheep. I knew some Ron Paul fanatics would attack me for this, but the bottom line is, he is part of the established order and you still did not comment on whether or not he was a freemason. I would like to know what you are going to do or think when you find out that he is.
Well our NAU protests in ATL were a bust–so we’re going back to county commission meetings and the like–since we have had success there on illegal alien/citizenship issues. We gradually wake up more people–but I think we’re past the point of gradual–it’s needs to be a flood.
i am from texas and can personally tell you that masonry is everywhere but the fact of the matter is ron paul is our only political hope and even worse is thta ALL of our parents were responsible for the mess we are in by either being a complacent mason,ignorant mason,complacent citizen or ignorant citizen. the onlt way to tell if a tree is good is to sample its fruit and ron pauls fruit is pure and nutricious
….. The point is system is corrupt, I’m not following anyone because it’s all a bunch of bs. Knowing how corrupt the gov’t is what makes people think that even if he is not apart of them now, that the unseen hands would not get to him eventually?????? this makes no sense, why are we continuing to put all our hope in another human being, didn’t we learn anything from the christians???????
We have to hold people accountable at all levels and arenas–it’s more than just expecting a President to “save” us. We have to save ourselves. It’s been developing for generations, and last few decades/years–exponentially. Especially since technology has caught with the ambitions of the evil.
I hoped Ron Paul was real too. But he was as two faced as janus. Alex Jones and other patriots took this dick under there wings and he ends up shitting on them. ill be honest i only caught on to the fact he was a mason when he started to flip the il cornuto hand sign. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm
About 3 months into his campaign. Il cornuto This sign is the sign of the pentagram, each finger represent one of the five elements. Ron Paul then goes on bill maher
Look at the handshakes. “BOAZ”
GRIP OF AN ENTERED APPRENTICE
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/handshakes.htm
Ben Afleck and PJ O’Rourke Bill Maher. Bens a hollywood dick but Pj O’Rourke is a CFR member the people who Paul is supposed to be fighting. Check out rosters:
http://www.vyzygoth.com/cfr.html
People like all the patriots really look like dicks now.I know im probably preaching to the converted here but its my 2 federal reserve cents worth. Be your own leaders.
Actually, the Masons are the founding fathers of America. They’re really the good guys. All this crap about them being evil is crap. I know several Masons and they’re good hard working God fearing people. I had an uncle that was a Mason and he was a good man. The ones we should be worrying about are the socialist @ssholes that are trying to take over our country. They could very well be spreading misinformation about the Masons anyway…
When will people get it? Ron Paul is not going to save anybody, though he is painted as this great Savior figure who is going to solve everything. We have to be more like my compatriot Wil who posts here often on the NAU. He is out there hitting the streets, the meetings and getting in the face of the NWO minions every week. Waving Ron Paul signs is not the answer. We have to save ourselves.
The New World Order that everybody is upset about is a Freemasonic New World Order. Let nobody in this thread forget this point. Novus Ordo Seclorum. Look it up on the back of your worthless dollar bill.
I repeat in another way: the New World Order is long-term masonic agenda, centuries in the making and America was their pet project, the “New Atlantis”.
If you are against the NWO, then stop supporting the masons, the JBS (which is masonic controlled opposition) and the Vatican which is fully behind the NWO, the UN and all the rest of it. This last point was illustrated recently when Pope Benedict praised the UN, blessing the UN flag and telling us that we all had to get behind it’s agendas. He also made a nice little visit to the UN “meditation room” which is pretty Luciferian in itself.
All of which makes it quite odd that people who are supposedly against the UN (Ron Paul and the JBS for example) would make praises to the Papacy.
Figure it out people. I lay out the facts, and hope to hell you can deduce the truth for yourselves. Use your heads and stop believing all the sophisticated lies and propaganda that ultimately comes from the Illuminati who are THE masters of scientific manipulation of humanity.
George most masons dont even know what masonry is about. Its nothing to do with God most of us know. Anybody thinks masons are god fearing read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike he tells you who the masonic god is. Albert Pike was main mason in the united states after the civil war. Masons just join to be part of an old boy network and progress in life. Its the most compartmentalised organisation in the world. Im not saying all masons are bad most of them dont have a clue elites of masons know what its about just like papacy and aristocracy. Only way to save your self is to go off grid of the system, United States of America and it floundering fathers are a joke really. Wake up people.
Masonry is probably the most sophisticated and far-reaching cult in the world. It is an occult religion based in Kabalah and the Egyptian mystery religion. Anyone who says masons are “the good guys” is either an ignoramous or a lying member of the brotherhood.
So where is the hard facts?
It’s “Where ARE the hard facts?” or are you a graduate of GW Bush Institute of English Grammar?
Now to your question, that’s what I am asking. Let’s ask some questions about Ron Paul and see what we come up with. Let’s see more facts about Ron Paul’s connections. But you see, we aren’t allowed to do that without getting pounced upon by Birchers, Masons and various Catholic occult orders. A lot of people suspect that Ron Paul is a high-level mason. That is why I finally did this post. I want people to come forward with any information that might settle the question once and for all.
I never said that he was a mason, only that I strongly suspected it. I believe he is a mason, but so far have no definitive proof. Therefore, I encourage others to do some research as I have and post whatever you find here.
Call it an exercise in free-thought or an experiement with the truth. But if you start telling me that I’M bad bcause I dare to ask such questions, then you better think again.
Here’s an interesting link on Ron Paul and fraternities:
http://trust.netfirms.com/
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message450848/pg1
So far I have seen attacks on JBS, Ron Paul, Masonry and the Catholics. Why don’t you just start setting up stakes in the town square and set fire to these horrible people. Your mindset is the same as the people who did these things. No proof needed just yell “Witch”. Excuse me for not buying into your hysteria.
One person can make a difference. Friend of mine who is either fearless or dumb–has phone numbers programmed into his cell of state legislators, the Governor’s office–this state and other’s, news editors, Congress,, the White House. He’s always polite, but makes several points on whatever, firmly and clearly. And–perhaps just coincidentally–or maybe he was a tipping point, or part of others calls too—a few cases people in question changed their positions shortly thereafter.
Same for commission meetings and the like. Or holding a sign at political fundraisers or speaking tours, and the press comes over to interview. And sometimes actually makes it to news or papers.
But it is satisfying to hold a sign saying support American Workers and etc at limos in traffic turning into a luxury hotel at recent candidate’s fundraiser to be annointed.
E-mail to officials, letters to the editor are easy too. And I post comments everywhere on articles and news blogs.
Fine Susan, you love the New World Order and you don’t want anyone like me pointing out how it is perpetuated throughout society through Freemasonry, the Vatican, the UN and through our own masonic government.
You made your position clear.
Next.
And screw you too by the way. And screw all you NWO minions out there who are doing your best to shield the powers behind this masonic agenda.
Masons, Vatican (im a catholic myself but im not blind) UN are all same system. Nazi Pope blesses the UN flag ha. The majority of these people in these arnt bad people (my family are all catholc and really good people) who think they are doing good. But the elites of all these organisations are EVIL. Do some open minded reasearch and it will ring with you as it did with some of us here. WE dont attack people just because there catholic masons and beaurocrats. Its the elites.
It is the elites–whatever group members hide within.
At the North American Union protest we planned–one person wanted to bring bullhorn and Mexican flag to walk on/burn. And as various of us told him–we don’t hate Mexico or Mexicans–it’s the globalist elites with no allegiance to any nation save their own demonic hubris we oppose. We need Mexicans and Canadians as allies to fight this.
You know, we could just take this all the way back to the Amun Priesthood of Aegypt whom denounced Akhenaton (even killing him and Nefertiti), the teachings of gnosis, and all of those practicing alchemy for their egalitarian revolutionist mindsets and entheogenic illumination rites… because it was them, after all, that evolved into the “Magi” behind old Greece and Rome; them, after all that stole the blueprints for the Holy of Holies and the Arc of the Covenant from Moses’ design and Solomon’s revisiting; them, who soon became the Office of the Holy Inquisition, after, of course, the Council of Nicea was assembled. Them, who printed the first international monitary unit and taxation measures. Them, who, divided, became entities also as the Knights Templar (because somebody didn’t want to answer to an aryan king pope and wanted to become their own banking system)… them, who later involved the Bavarian Illuminati, let alone the Rosicrucian Order and Adam Weishaupt of the Rothschild linkages which gave birth to our Federal Reserve system here as time marched on… Ever seen the Vatican scroll and double-key insignia? Ever notice how many “incorporated” states of the US have that same emblem, either keys or axes or arrows or olive branches or something akin to war and food control? Ever notice the eagle gripping those “fasces”? Or how the Nazis have always been friends with the Vatican because they were just a large military branch of old Alexander the Great’s (Aryan) genocide plan that’s carried on in the name of Christ, wearing fish-God mitre caps, stealing from Hermetic Tradition to look like esoteric good guys? The pope sits at a fricking upside down cross. Please.
The Ark is an electrical field-producing body rhythm/brainwave entrainment device that “tunes” the Cohen into near-zero mental frequencies… close to death, able to “see” the “truth.” Just look at depictions of Moses from after his 3 days in the “meeting place” that is the Holiest of Holies. The Ark transfixed him and taught him the Tao of bringing God’s Eyes into the perception of man.
We “escaped” the tyranny of England the Pope only to let it right back in, because their were immediately wolves amongst us in sheep’s clothing. The first 13 fricking colonies were General-mayored by Roman Catholic emissaries, the same way that Central America was overrun by Roman Catholic Spaniards and Africa was enslaved by Roman Catholic Deutsch Nazi partners. The same way the Tibet was smashed after China became majorly “incorporated” with Catholicism. Hmmmmmmmm….
Who knows the number of the Beast?
I do. 216 (6x6x6 – or 6 cubed). Nazi general Goebbels even wanted to mandate the concert pitch tuning of ALL music INTERNATIONALLY to 440hz ‘A’ notation. Why? Because it used to be 432hz. A sacred number involving the Pythagorean Brotherhood, Gematria, Geomancy, the Precession of the Equinoxes, and eclipse prediction cycles, let alone astrological understanding of FRICKING CLIMATE CHANGE. Hmmmmmmm again. 432 is 216 multiplied by 2; the Greeks and Asians and Indians and Egyptians (Afrikaans) and Tibetans all revered that number. So did the Maya (along with the numbers 72 and 144). Guess who the Vatican smashed most of? ALL OF EM.
Squander the knowledge. Why? Because its power. If nobody understands the cosmic mechanism and sacred geometry when shit hits the fan, nobody can help themselves. Especially when big Monsanto, the weather-modificaiton gurus of the World Meteorological Association, the biggest military industrial complex agencies like Raytheon and GD Robotics, and the UN are all good friends….
it paints itself.
But, as mentioned earlier — most Masons have NO CLUE what they’ve gotten into, until they’ve denounced their God, TO THE POPE, in order to become a 33rd degree LUCIFERIAN.
It’s the biggest boy’s club, but it also makes a damned huge army of internationally stationed “Knights” for when the time is right, doesn’t it? Yikes.
Lux Et Veritas,
Kairologic
I don’t attack people for being brought up in Catholicism, Judaism, Nazism, Communism, Freemasonry, Zionism, the Mafia etc etc. Children have no choice about what they are conditioned into. But as people mature into adulthood, they owe it to themselves and others to begin questioning their own beliefs and programming. It is our own responsibility as human beings to seek out the truth. People who refuse to do that really do have a serious problem.
What I criticize are the elites mainly, but also those in the lower levels who refuse to acknowledge the truth about the NWO, how it was formed and maintained mainly through Freemasonry, Zionism, Skull and Bones and the “Noble Orders”, Jesuits, Knights of Malta etc, etc.
I have nothing against Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or atheists. What matters is not the religion one belongs to, the color of their skin or the language that they speak. People should be judged as individuals for the content of their character and viewed as a whole person. I take people as they come and either I like them or I don’t based on what they are putting out to the world. What I am saying is that people are either good or bad not because of their religion, but in spite of it. Personally, I see religion as an ancient social control mechanism and nothing more. Spirituality is something deeply personal and should stay that way
When someone has the facts at their fingertips on a blog such as this, and still shields the elites and their programs, then they deserve a good slap in the face. And I only do that when they attack me first.
As far as religion goes, people are free to believe whatever they want to believe and I don’t have a problem with that. Just be willing to question your own beliefs and be aware of what you are a part of and where your donations are actually going.
FREEMASON ALERT!!!!!
Support Ron Paul! WHY?!?!Because my family is the one that STARTED Freemasonry. And yes, we want a new world order. One in which people treat each other humanely, one in which our leaders are trustworthy and respond to the will of the people. One in which individual sovereignty is the rule of the land. You’re all so caught up in the politics of this thing that you don’t see that it’s way beyond that. The best thing we can do as a country is not elect anyone, rule ourselves, make our own laws, support local. You guys want to play games, I want to change the world. Are you afraid of a bunch of guys and women who respect the passing down of trade skills from master to apprentice? You’re all looking for the puppet master when he’s right in fromt of your face. WE are the puppet master, WE are the power. Get off your ass and support your neighboor, your community and if you’re afraid of your government then grow some balls and fight back. WE each are sovereign individuals and we each need to find the common cause amongst our differences to bind ourselves together and remove the corruption from our government by our inherent power. Freemasons, its a joke. Look at your own hands, there’s real power.
elrocoroco, what is Ron Paul’s relationship with Freemasonry? Is he a Freemason, Odd Fellow or Rosicrucian etc? And what do you know about the fraternal communities’ attitudes towards him?
Thanks
What do I know of a man’s private life? If you look at the current presidential candidates, Ron Paul says the truth of the matter. Maybe his truths are covers for a demon heart. I don’t know. What I am saying is that power is in the people, not the representative. We have been dumbed down and duped into believing the opposite. Instead of speculating on what we don’t know, why don’t we use what we do know. The only thing a man has that is his own in this life is his faith. Faith in a creator/creation, faith in his fellow man, etc…If you CHOOSE to forfeit that than any and all elite groups loose. And by the way, who says who is elite? Have you ever been confronted by a mean barking dog and held your ground? Stared them down and dared them to attack. These elite groups are the same. They rule by bark, expose them, take their power. Instead of building on the mistique of these groups, undermine their existence by marginalizing them. Who’s a king with no subjects? POWER TO THE PEOPLE, take it, it’s right there.
oops! if yo give up your faith, elite groups WIN.
Well, you found me.
I am the Ron Paul scheduler for whom you’ve been searching.
Ron Paul is not a Mason. The only groups he is a member of is the Vietnam Veterans and the Baptist Church, you paranoid whack jobs.
However, I am the Most Illustrious Esteemed Empress of the Mystical Society of Super Secrecy. They call me MIEEMSSS for short. My group is so secret that we don’t even know who we are. I am going to harvest the testicles of 40 virgin dogs and do an ancient curse on you that is so secret that I had to channel Eve and have her to ask the Snake about the correct ritual.
We have been successful brainwashing you good people into believing that these inferior secret societies like JBS and Masons are responsible for our work. If they were truly as devious and evil as you say, you would know nothing about them and would not be allowed to join them. They suck at being evil. How dare they take care of burned and cripple children for free and then take no credit for it. If they were truly evil they would be out burning and crippling your children and they would know where you live, like I do.
If they were truly secret, they wouldn’t have magazines, TV commercials and have fundraisers in the churches across America. Last time my society went into a church, the holy water started boiling and a the old lady behind me fainted. When I picked her up she turned in to a big horny toad, then croaked, literally.
Now doesn’t this all sound ridiculous? All you people that believe PJWalker’s crap go and take your meds. And you, PJ double up on your Thorazine.
Thank you very much, I’ll be praying for you,
The Oak
Good Night Susan – Almighty Majestic and Ancient Seer- thank you for the information about where “you know who” will be sleeping for eternity
“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.”
http://freedomkeys.com/vigil.htm
‘The price of freedom is eternal vigilance,” is the exact Thomas Jefferson quote. Never knew there were so many variations like in the link above.
More quotes from Tom–
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2283
The oak is not only false, but a deciever.
Not every Masons have done things in the scale of Hitler. That’s true. But to say that Freemasons have done nothing more than helping crippled children is a lie. Freemasonry have been involved in the murder of William Morgan. Charles Finney wrote a book documenting this. Many high level Masons use intimidating tactics against those in churches. For example, Ed Decker and other preachers said he was threatened by Masons for just expressing his First Amendment right of talking of dissent with Freemasonry. When is dissent illegal? It isn’t . Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma admits that he wants the Blue Lodge to use deception to make it appear that the Blue Lodge understands. Manly P. Hall writes of praising Lucifer. I have their direct quotations if you want them.
Freemasonry isn’t the in the end of the Elite, but an instrument that elitists use to promote a new world order. That is why 33rd Degree Freemason William Smith decades ago called for a new race, a new religion, and a new order back decades. Pjwalker911, You’re on the right track. Tons of people agree with you. Don’t let these skeptics and deniers intimidate you at all. No one is saying that Ron Paul is a Freemason. People are just investigating whether he is or not simply. It is true that Paul is a member of a college Fraternity and he explicitly denies that 911 was an inside job. He explicitly praised John Paul II when John Paul II calls for a new world order. The bigger issue isn’t Paul. The bigger issue is exposing the new world order and help people in our communities and areas.
Also, the issue is to be inspired to not joing any pro-NWO organizations at all. The oak talks about secrecy? First tons of Masonic rituals are kept secrets. Masons would not reveal their rituals in every degree. Masonry don’t allow religious liberty in their Lodges by not allowing prayer in end in Jesus Christ’s name. They perform swearing death oaths, etc. John Daniel’s book series on Freemasonry documents their real history. We should expose all evil like the Jesuits, Masons, CFR, Bilderbergers, etc. For example, CFR member Richard Haas called for our national sovereignity to change. The elite Trilateral Commission inventor David Rockefeller said that he isn’t ashamed of wanting a one world or an integrated political/economic system. The Operation Roadmap Pentagon document from 2003 desire to control the entire electromagnetic world. So, we should expand our minds into exposing evil. Yet, we should compromise with the truth. theoak, you sound desperate since you’re only response is ad hominem attacks against pjwalker. If we were so in need of meds, our comments wouldn’t impact you like it did. We don’t need meds. Some of these skeptics need to use their brains and stop with the Ron Paul worship. He’s not a God or God.
TIMOTHY: Thanks, I can’t argue with you at all. And I won’t. You have it right.
elrococco, I don’t disagree with you, except that these elites must be exposed for what they are. Otherwise the people keep believing their lies. That’s all….
I made a typo
I meant to say:
“Yet, we should not compromise our thinking that runs contrary with the truth.”
Well, in case anyone doesn’t know, the UN meditation room is where the original seal of the US is kept. It is run by the lucis trust. Formerly the lucifer trust until it changed name,for obvious reasons. It is an Illuminati/New age think tank conceived by Theosophist Alice Bailey. Her words were used by Bush senior in the infamous 1000 points of light speech when he called for a New World Order under the UN on September 11th 1991. The agenda is their for those with eyes to see. Their satanic ‘light’ is utterly counterfeit and corrupt.
PJ, I really like your site, and most of your insights. I was also troubled when I saw the comment on Daily Paul about RP possibly being a Freemason, but I still did not think it proved anything, because his alleged involvement could have been 20 to 40 years ago. While I appreciate your inquiry and agree with your position concerning Masons… NWO… I was disappointed in your seeming “guilty before proven innocent” approach to Ron Paul being a Mason, as it seemed you were accusing him of being 33 degrees or higher, yet failed to give proof.
“As I gather more information on what I am 90% sure is a fact, that Ron Paul is a high Freemason of the 33rd degree or above, who knows the masonic agenda and yet keeps it all a secret from his supporters (as Dick Cheney kept his CFR membership a secret from his constituents in Wyoming), I will immediately pass it on to you the public who have a right to know the truth.”
I attended a meeting tonight where one of Ron Paul’s sons, Robert, was and I approached him as he was leaving and asked if his dad is a freemason. He very much emphatically stated that hid dad was NOT a mason, nor has he ever worn any of the jewelry nor could he remember if he was ever a mason, but that his grandparents had been. I asked if his mother was Eastern Star and he said that he did not think so but perhaps many years ago he remembered her mentioning Eastern Star, then he said that no, that was probably his grandmother who talked of that. I asked if his sisters were in Rainbow girls when they were little girls and he said he did not know what that was and really had no idea. He was being honest, I am very sure.
My grandfather was a mason, but my dad was not a mason. My dad was a catholic, but I am not a catholic, and believe me there are many catholics that are genuine christians. Are we always doomed to be branded for life because of what our parents have done, and how they raised us to join them in their beliefs and actions, but we later wake up and make up our own minds? As you so eloquently stated earlier, we cannot help what type of family or upbringing we had, but are to find truth as we are able, and hopefully not make the same mistakes our ancestors made. Can’t it be possible, as Ron Paul’s son states, that his father and mother are not Masons? Perhaps they were brought up with a parent (s?) who were masons, and possibly early on in their marriage they (or she) were involved, perhaps for familial, social, networking…
I know that RP respects the freedom of all as the constitution states. He does not need to fill each speech with hate and contempt for all ignorant lower masons, shriners, catholics, sheeple, and all other misguided who might not all be in on “the big picture.” Give him a chance, it is the message of Liberty, prosperity and peace that needs to be focused on, which will do more to undermine evil than name calling. I for one loved parts of the movie V for Vendetta and smile when I see the image of Guy Falks, because of the movie, not because of him being a Jesuit.
If I wanted to find out what the Masons were up to, I might be inclined to go to their open meetings once in a while, especially since it involves my district.
Jamie, I did not accuse RP of being a mason, but only believe in the high likelihood of that based on Oak’s testimony that Carol is currently Eastern Star which usually goes together with a Freemason husband. Usually. Do you see the distinction I so carefully tried to make here? I know it takes a certain amount of thinking ability to see that, but there is a distinction between accusing and speculating. And then she says that his daughters were (I assume past tense) in Rainbow girls. So either she or Robert is misrepresenting the truth. But that is all I am trying to get at here, the truth, whatever it is.
Personally, I would never set foot in a Masonic lodge. The New World Order system, you know, Global Government, totalitarianism, Big Brother (all-seeing eye) surveillance society, eugenics, transhumanism, terror-psyops, perpetual war, the global warming hoax, etc all comes out of the elite who are ALL without exception high Freemasons and members of the Chivalric Orders, Knights of Malta etc, etc. That is how they keep their ranks together, establish their pecking order, plan their agendas, maintain secrecy and delegate down to their minions.
There is nothing good about Freemasonry. It is pure evil through and through from top to bottom, only the lower masons are usually pretty ignorant about this fact because they are deliberately deceived by their masters as Albert Pike admitted. But even that is no excuse for the Blue Lodge masons in this day and age of information. The truth is available to all masons nowadays. They don’t have to wait until they reach 32 or 33 to find out that it is all a pack of lies meant to control society and drive it by stealth into the New World Order.
Christopher, right. Also look into the UN Temple of Understanding.
I cant believe I read the whole thing.
PJ why would commit lible/slander on RP?
If you have solid facts fine, but people are not as gulliable as you think. especially RP people.
Kyrologic was pretty funny & very intelligent.
Elrococco you are correct “WE” have the power.
Where does it come from? It comes from the spiritual. You had better know what spirit your tapping into as well.
It is proven that when a body of like minded people “believe” in a thing it comes to pass. A scientist said matter is always present however when it realizes it being watched it responds to the observer. Just like negativity & positivity can change the atmosphere around you.
But I always found it strange that more than 2 people can agree to be evil, I mean hiteously evil beyond evils. Like genocide.
On the other hand I dont find it bizzar for alot of people to agree to do good.
RP is not a God nor is he a savior, he’s just a man running for President who happens to shed light on the atrocities going on behind the backs of American Citizens.
I grew up in a town here in America where the Scottish Rite masonic temple is the world’s largest conservatory.
The whole town was architectured by masons. Every bldg has an emblem of a contractor & an l-shaped ruler to form a diamond shape with a G in the middle it. I used to think it was for “Guthrie” the town. Anyway anybody can tour the masonic temple & even speak there if given authority, even RP so just because you have a picture of him in frount of a podeum a mason built dosent mean he’s a mason. Incidentally the people who designed the temple are the same people who done the decor of the rockerfeller bldg. There are still alot of masons there, but my family never was.
They were bootleggers..lol.
Take care & PJ, dude …man take this evil down.
PJ, I do think your comments were balanced and careful for the most part, except the part where you said that you were 90% sure in the fact that Ron Paul is a high degree mason of 33 degrees or higher. Now, the testimony of the “scheduler” was that RP went several times to open meetings, Carol was Eastern Star and Lori and her sister were Rainbow girls, which is not enough proof to brand RP as such a high degree mason as you suggested.
It makes me sad that Ron’s son Robert’s statements were not enough to quell this tide, and I do hope it will be enough to convince people. I agree with the evils of masons and the NWO…, and I was kidding that I would ever set foot in a temple but was making the point that possibly Ron Paul was a mason, since his parents were and brought him up as such, he went a few times, but dropped out, and perhaps kept going a few times to keep in touch with the people in his district. Not all masons, catholics… should be rounded up by Blackwater and shot and some really are misled and are a part of organizations that are doing some good at the local level, like helping children. (I know you did not infer that.)
Ron Paul is over 70 years old, and when Robert’s big sisters were in Rainbow girls, which had to be 30 to 40 years ago, then I do not think it is a stretch that Robert was not aware of the group or what his sisters did when they were little girls. I bet most of us can’t remember if our siblings were in the Girl or Boy scouts or Brownies or little league. I do not think that brands Robert for misrepresenting the truth. I do thank you for your stance on these issues and getting at the truth. Keep up the good work, and I hope you will please reconsider Ron Paul. :)
Nice photo at top the evil dosent even try to hide itself. Reference the symbols, not necessary old Wrong Paul
Those trees painting on wall look like kabbalistic tree of life.
Chere, you obviously approve of Freemasonry. The only people who are against me are masons, those sympathetic to Freemasonry and some Catholics (but not all).
Again, I don’t know how many times I have to reiterate the fact that the New World Order system of global dictatorship, including monetary dictatorship through the Fed, is a Masonic agenda at its root being implemented by the elite families (who are all masons of one stripe or another). And that the Popes are pro-NWO and pro-UN, and that the Jesuits are masonic should also not be lost to those who support Ron Paul who has nothing but praise for the Vatican, Jesuits et al.
Therefore, I find it extremely peculiar that someone who professes to be against the UN, against the destruction of our sovereignty, the destruction of our financial independence and the destruction of our freedoms, would be sympathetic in any way to Freemasonry as Ron Paul apparently is, and as many of his followers are.
And why should I and others be ordered to take down posts that merely ask questions about Ron Paul’s background. What the heck are you afraid we might find out?
No, there is nothing evil about what I am doing and my intent is not evil. My intent is merely to get at the truth. Period.
Jamie, I merely said that if what Oak was saying was true, then the likelihood of Ron Paul being some kind of cryptic mason is very high. And being that he, being a man advanced in years and experience around DC, the likelihood that he would be a higher-level 32nd or 33rd degree would be higher than if he were a young man just starting out in politics. That is the meaning of my statement and I stick to it.
Then you severely stretch the meaning of my words implying that the end result of what I am doing means that all masons and catholics should be rounded up and shot, by Blackwater no less for whom I have the utmost contempt proven in numerous posts on this blog. Where in the hell did you get that idea to say something like that? I would say it is because you don’t like me poking around in this area and would like to accuse me of something heinous in order to shut me up but it won’t work.
What I do mean to imply is that if the New World Order is masonic (and it most definitely is!) then why in the hell would anyone trust a mason or someone who is sympathetic to Freemasonry to help defeat it? Ayaiyai! Yet that is what I am saying here. That is the real bottom line to this entire post and all the comments I have made here. And if you think that is bad, then you have a real problem.
All I am doing is asking questions about Ron Paul. If that is a crime, then we really do live in a fascist police state.
Asking questions is the most basic human right…and obligation.
Thanks Wil. That is of course how we learn. Having a mind that questions, probes and tests the truth is the only way to live in reality. All other minds are delusional and going astray.
You know, I started my entry into this forum a little off handed. It is true however that my family did start freemasonry. At least under that name in Rosilyn. I think that elitist groups need to be exposed and I think there is power only through knowledge. But, my overriding concern is that we “little” people get so overwhelmed with the scope of corruption and misinformation that all we do is find ourselves in the end on a wild goose chase while those we wish to “dethrone” have garnered more power in the mean time. We must weigh action against research, time and gain. This is a war, a war for our lessening freedoms, and we must remember Dante: “As one who unwills what he wills will stay strong purposes with feeble second thoughts, so I hung back on that dim coast till thinking had worn out my enterprise so stout at starting and so early lost” Our individual sovereinty, sovereignty in any case, relies on our claiming that authority and acting as well. I just want to remind everyone that our power requires that we both claim and act upon that claim. Exchange of idea and knowledge is the root, but action is the leaf . Without either the plant is dead. The discussion here is invaluable, but what will you do with that discussion today, and tomorrow and so forth. Take it from this page and put it in the street. I may be speaking to the choir, but we need to take this message and move it. How many of your coworkers, family, acquaintances have heard what you have written here? If you have to answer less than all, then you have work to do. If you can answer all, then you better find more people to tell. That’s all I’m saying. And that’s why I say the power is in our hands. We have the potential and we must make it kinetic. Push on folks, we are stepping further into the battle.
I talk with people, but sometimes have to manage the return abuse/scorn/scoffing–because the flesh is weak and it gets tired. Some people can’t really talk to until they’re ready for it or at least partly there. But I’m all about planting seeds and hope.
elrococco, are you a Sinclair? And I agree. We all have work to do. I also know that the vast majority of people cannot or will not listen to the truth. Or they will listen to that portion that fits into their divided-and-conquered hegelian political bias. Or they will just look at you like you have three heads. I keep trying to plant seeds just the same.
The Oak, who is very sympathetic to Freemasonry (to the point of taking it personally) and thinks those who criticize the brotherhood should be locked away in mental institutions and put on thorazine (like they do with dissidents in Russia), claims to have been RP’s scheduler for years as quoted, by the way has posted a bizarre raving lunatic reply here (See above for those who missed it).
She does not retract her claim that Carol Paul is currently an Eastern Star, nor does she retract her claim that Ron Paul “respects the organization” of Freemasonry, nor does she retract the claim that Ron Paul has been to MANY meetings. Now again, I have to ask her if she was lying or not, because that is the implication of Jamie’s statements. He seems to be saying that The Oak is a liar. So who is telling the truth here?
If it is proven to me that Ron Paul has no connections to Freemasonry, does not “respect the organization”, has never been to the “many” meetings, that his wife is not in Eastern Star and has nothing to do with it, then I guess maybe I will drop this line of inquiry. But then I will still have to ask why he praises the Papacy which calls for a New World Order, blesses the UN flag and promotes UN agendas.
So Oak, since you are the one who started all this in the first place, will you please come back here and straighten all this out for us? Jamie implies that you are lying. Again, is it true or not that Carol Paul is an Eastern Star and does Ron Paul “respect the organization” and go to masonic meetings or not? Or did you just make all that up to smear Ron Paul’s good name?
So we are awaiting your second reply now and I guess that should put the matter to rest for all of us.
I’m not a Sinclair, they came later. And by the way, I do have three heads. Truth be told there is no truth; only perspective. Yours, mine, theirs and it is this natural delima that genius uses to conquer. Unfortunately right now we are not the geniuses. We are not because because we choose to share and hope to bring all along the journey. Remember that any amount of cooperation throws a monkey wrench into the fundamentals of game theory, and that is the essence of politics today. Game theory is the basis of the divide and conquer, the need for dissention among the players is essential for “equilibrium”. That equilibrium, the dissention amongst the people creates the safety the “elites” need to operate their nefarious designs. We are not a team so much as a group that must re-realise that we must unite or die.
george you are correct – IMO
its the corrupt intertwining like a disease
all masonic guidance with the hand of crowley
should be turned away and the true spirit
of the masonry this country was founded upon
live and dwell in the spirit of humanity
my family were masons and were wonderful people
everyone rides the roller coaster no one gets off that easy and no one rides for free
infiltration of many viles of evils veils lives
knowledge is power and knowledge is how and why for the benefit of life
pro life
anything else is a .death cult.
We are still axiously awaiting Oak’s rebuttal against Jamie’s claim that everything she said regarding Ron Paul and Freemasonry is fabricated nonsense. So if anyone knows her, please have her return to this thread for her rebuttal.
I mean, I’m beginning to think she was lying myself, but why a former employee of Ron Paul would seek to falsely smear him with masonic associations is beyond me. Maybe she’ll tell us why she would do such a terrible thing.
This is so stupid, i’m sorry. Most Freemasons are not conspiratorial. Maybe he respects the Freemasons because he loves the Founding Fathers and they were Freemasons. Oh wait, anyone that likes the Founding Fathers is a peon to the NWO.
Yeah, the entire government is masonic with mason presidents, congressmen and generals running it. DC is a gigantic magic masonic sigil or talisman, but for some reason they don’t teach us anything about this in school. Therefore, the average person has not the slightest idea about Freemasonry even though the elites are all members of one or another similar secretive order. The fact of the matter is high profile politicians do not want us to know about their memberships. If asked about their membership in Skull and Bones, Bush and Kerry will just laugh and change the subject. Mason presidents never mention their membership to the public either. Why membership in a “charitable organization” should be kept a secret is baffling to those who don’t understand the masonic agenda but you see, it’s all a big joke and the joke is on the public.
You can blabber on and on about how wonderful Freemasonry is, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is an elite secret society that manipulates behind the scenes as it has done for centuries. Look into Albert Pike who has a statue and a special room dedicated to him at the Scottish Rite temple in DC. He says the lower masons (and of course the public especially so) are deliberately deceived as to the true nature or Freemasonry. Look into the P2 Lodge terrorists. And now look at the results of this masonic Novus Ordo Seclorum (New World Order) of perpetual war, declining financial security, declining morality, tyranny, the Big Brother surveillance control grid system with the all-seeing masonic eye in the pyramid of the Office of Total Information, globalism and global government. This is their Great Work in the New Atlantis. And we all know what happened to the Old Atlantis don’t we? Well, the news is now full of stories about how America is a sinking ship the NWO.
So, if you like that, then I would say it is YOU who are stupid.
PJ, I am surprised that my comments have been interpreted by you as my having said that everything the “Oak” said is fabricated nonsense and that you seem to think I am calling the Oak a liar. My statements did not reveal that and I for one do not believe for a second that the person who called themselves The Oak on this site and said, “Well, you found me. I am the Ron Paul scheduler for whom you’ve been searching. Ron Paul is not a Mason. The only groups he is a member of is the Vietnam Veterans and the Baptist Church, you paranoid whack jobs. However, I am the Most Illustrious Esteemed Empress of the Mystical Society of Super Secrecy. They call me MIEEMSSS for short. My group is so secret that we don’t even know who we are. I am going to harvest the testicles of 40 virgin dogs and do an ancient curse on you that is so secret that I had to channel Eve and have her to ask the Snake about the correct ritual…”
really does not have any credibility or seeming sanity. This person is obviously using a bit of satire or medication. I do not believe this is the same person who posted this on Daily Paul a while back.
What my statements obviously did not convey clearly is that I do not know if the statements made by “the real scheduler” are true, but if they are it in no way diminishes Ron Paul’s own son statement that his father is not a Freemason, nor has ever worn any of the jewelry. (If RP was a mason in his early years I do not think that should brand him for life.) He was not sure if his mother was ever in Eastern star (but obviously if the scheduler is telling the truth, then she was Eastern Star long ago, or if she still is she obviously is not heavily into it, per her son.) Just because Robert Paul was not aware what his big sisters were involved in as little girls so many years ago does not make him a liar because he does not know what Rainbow girls are.
I am not sure if Ron Paul himself were asked about this matter that many people would not take him for his word, but would say he is covering up for the “brotherhood.” That is a pity.
PJ, you are morbidly ignorant. Had you ever studied Freemasonry, you would know that the rituals, grips and passwords are symbolic and handed down from the operative masons from time’s past. In today’s Freemasonry, there is no Mason higher than a 3rd Degree Master Mason. Anything above 3rd Degree is conferred through other Masonic bodies, such as the York and Scottish Rite. When you go to quote Pike against the Masons, don’t leave out the whole quote and only show was serves your needs. As far as Pike goes, he wasn’t as smart as he thought he was and many of his writings have been discredited. In the Christian Bible (I am indeed a Christian) do you know how many times Lucifer is talked about? 1, 1 time, and it refers to a star in the sky, providing light. Get your facts straight.
Jamie, how else can your comments be interpreted?
Oak says Carol Paul is currently an Eastern Star.
You say she isn’t, based on Robert’s hazy recollections.
Oak says, Ron Paul has gone to MANY Freemasonic meetings and that he has said MANY times that he “respects the organization”.
You say he has nothing to do with it, based on Robert’s hazy recollections.
Oak says that Ron Paul’s daughters were both Rainbow Girls (who are generally daughters of Freemasons).
You say that they probably were not, based on Robert’s hazy recollections.
Everything you say directly contradicts what she says. That means very simply that you are implying that she is lying and making everything up. So don’t play games with words.
Second of all, the pro-masonic passion and the wording of the response matches the passion and wording in the original post, so it’s a sure bet that they are the same person.
As for Lloyd there, if Albert Pike was so dumb and so discredited, why the hell would a special room be dedicated to him in the Holy of Holies at the Scottish Rite Temple in Washington DC?
And secondly Lloyd, do you as a professing Christian really think it’s alright to worship Lucifer? Pike said so, and in contradistinction to Jesus Christ. Look it up Lloyd.
Freemasonry is at the heart of the New World Order. Everybody knows this by now, so quit playing with words. The gig is up. You are exposed. The only ones who are fighting against me and other truthseekers and freedom-fighters are those who have sold their souls to the NWO. So just admit what you are and be done with it Lloyd. Time to choose up sides because the war is on.
Wow, your misunderstanding of Morals and Dogmas and the Christian Bible do indeed run deep. You are like the rest of the Anti-Masons, hate through ignorance. Get out your Christian Bible and look for Lucifer. You will then see your understanding of what Pike said is wrong. I’m sure you’ll paste a quote, so paste the whole paragraph, no just the part that fits your agenda. I would love to have a public debate with you, covered by the media. Set it up and lets roll.
I judge by works. In my “real life” when people withhold secrets or information–I always seem to be the loser. Don’t know why national or world or public scene would be any different.
And I don’t recall Christ advocating “secret” organizations, or from “time’s past.”
But I’m just a simple gardener.
Just because Masons don’t speak of Christ does not make them evil. 2 Top things that cause contention between men? Politics and Religion. Therefor the Masons do not speak of Politics or Religion in open meetings. The Knights of Columbus hold their meetings behind closed doors, they have passwords and grips. Are these men classified as evil?? Most businesses in the world hold private meetings behind closed doors, are these businesses evil? I think some of you have lost your common sense along with the rest of the sheeple in the US. The founding fathers were mostly Masons. Do you not think these were men of integrity? The founded this great country on the ideas of freedom of religion, speech, the right to bare arms, the right to assemble. What rights we do have, are what help keep this country great. Can’t stand being in “Great Masonic Experiment”? Move. See if we could have this civilized debate in a country under the leadership of a dictator…
Sorry for the poor grammar above, I have several things going on while I’m trying to reply.
Grammar happens.
I will respond to Lloyd soon hopefully today.
Most Masons aren’t on the level of murderous dictators like Hitler, so I don’t collectively blame all Masons for all of the evils in the world. Although, Many Masons are evil for refusing prayers to end in Jesus Christ’s name. That’s restricts religious liberty, which you supposedly endorse Lloyd Clinton. This doesn’t mean we force religion unto other people via compulsion, but we right have a right of religious expression. Again, numerous Masons colloborated in murdering William Morgan as exposed by Pastor Finney. If you’re a real Christian, you’re required to speak of Christ and you shouldn’t be ashamed of the name of Jesus Christ. Therefore, you are within your First Amendment rights to speak of Jesus Christ (or ending a prayer in Jesus Christ’s name) regardless if you’re in a Lodge or not. Now, let look at the Freemasonry and evil controversy. Masonry not only have secrets, but intentionally restricts the explosure of its total ceremonies and its true intent from even its Lower Blue Lodge members. That’s evil, because a real man would know everything about an organization (a religion, a fraternity, or whatever) before making a conscience decision or joining that organization. You are really naive to join a group if you don’t know exactly what it’s about. Masonry have death oaths. That is evil because you don’t swear keeping secret with death as a punishment if you violate that oath (even if you’re not literal with it). Especially, If you’re a Christian, you don’t swear oaths as Jesus says in Matthew 5:34-37: “…But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” Albert Pike admits in his Morals and Dogma book that he uses false interpretations in lower level Freemasons:
“Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled …”
“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.” ( Morals and Dogma, pp. 104, 105 & 819)
Pike’s words are revelant to those in the Scottish Rite since he once headed it. To this day, Scottish Rite Freemasons are advised to recieved a copy of Morals and Dogma boo. The scottish rite has a Statue of Pike in their Temple of D.C. If he was an error-prone guy about what Freemasonry was really all about, the Scottish Rite would of have been admitted to it.
Politics and Religion are contentous issues. Yet, They ought to be discussed everywhere with mutliple points of views displayed. The Knights of Columbus argument is silly. The reason is that you don’t justify your behavior by citing other behavior. Your behavior should stand or fall on its own merits. Now, the Knights of Columbus hold many closed doors, have passwords, etc. To me, that is secretive just like in Freemasonry. Are these acts evil? Evil is the act of doing something which is the opposite of good. The Knights of Columbus are a powerful group dedicated to the influence of the Papacy across America. There are evil people in the K of C and many Masons are evil. Businesses hold private meetings, but time after time again, we discover the intense details of these business meetings on several occasions. Businesses regularly disclose their economic dealings and their transactions. Not to mention, Freemasonry isn’t a business. They claim to be a fraternal order dedicated “to the improvement of human beings.” If that’s their goal, secret meetings would be out of the question. Me personally, I believe secrecy should be extinct. We should be open about what we do and what company we keep. Clinton, you nearly act like having no secrecy means harrashment. No, if secrecy is gone, we don’t harrash people. We just become aware of people.
Your interpretation of American history is rather limited. The truth is that Masons never created America in its totality. Many Bible Christians were crucial in the development of America. It is fair to point out that many God-fearing Americans existed in early America (like John Witherspoon, Daniel Webster, Hooker, Samuel Davies, John Clarke, Roger Williams, John Lehland, Timothy Dwight, etc.) So, not all Americans back then were occultists or Masons. Most professing Americans in that time were Christians. Freemasons were involved in Revolutionary War and that’s true. The concepts in the Bill of Rights aren’t totally Masonic. British Common Law, the Commentaries of Blackstone, and the Magna Carta (which aren’t Masonic laws) had a huge role in the laws of America. Many of the concepts cited in the Bill of Rights like the right to bear arms, habeas corpus, and religious liberty existed way before Masonry came into the Modern era at 1717 A.D. Freemasonry like many Secret Societies competed with Christian influence for the control of the soul of America. That’s why these Secret Societies place cornerstones in major buildings of D.C. That’s why Masons like Manly P. Hall promoted America as a New Atlantis in his books. It’s true to say that Freemasons had a great deal of influence in American society. Yet, to ignore non-Masonic influence is either being in denial or igronance. I will not move from the USA. I will be a man and fight for truth living here. Only cowards quit. I owe God alone to living in this nation and having a civilized debate not a Mason. I owe God to my existence not a Mason at all. The essence of Freemason is the usage of the Mysteries (even Pike admitted that Masonry is a successor to the Mysteries and is related to the Kabbalah. Other Masons in their own words said this as well. I can show quotes of this as well) in the promotion of an ecumencial religious atmosphere. In other words, Freemasonry teaches that even Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists if they worship one God are in the same league as Christians are. I have quotes proving that as well.
One is this: “…. Masonry makes no profession of Christianity . . . but looks forward to the time when the labor of our ancient brethren shall be symbolized by the erection of a spiritual temple . . . in which there shall be but one altar and one worship; one common. altar of Masonry on which the Veda [Hinduism], Shastras [Buddhism], Sade [Astrology], Zend-Avesta [Zoroastrianism], Koran [Islam], and HolyBible sha ll lie untouched by sacrilegious hands, and at whose shrine the Hindoo (sic), the Persian, the Assyrian, the Chaldean, the Egyptian, the Chinese, the Mohammedan, the Jew, and the Christian may kneel and with one united voice celebrate the praises of the Supreme Architect of the Universe.” (Henry Pirtle, Kentucky Monitor (Louisville, KY: The Standard Printing Co., 1921), page 95).
Biblical Christianity is opposed to this. Also, Lucifer in the Bible was corrupted and fell from Heaven. Lucifer is condemned in the Bible Lloyd Clinton. Look at Isaiah 14:12-15. 33rd Degree Manly P. Hall wrote that once the Mason utilizes his Craft in the right way, the seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands. Hence, some Freemasons worship Lucifer. I even saw a Google Video where a Shriner blatantly praised Lucifer and a Christian rebuked him for it. The new Mason claims to have the Light out of darkness, but the NT says Jesus Christ is the only Light of the World. You don’t need secrets to find the Light. The Light is God alone. You know this. You shouldn’t mock sources, since many sources from Masons themselves back up our views. Yes, sometimes some quotes are taken out of context on various times but not all quotes. Clinton, you claim to be a Christian yet you call a man Worshipful Master. Jesus forbid us to call a man Master. Also, the Bible identified Jesus as the only cornerstone. The vast majority of quotes we cite in dissent with Freemasonry are clear cut and without convolution in it cosmology at all. I can’t judge your walk with God, but you are dead wrong about what Freemasonry is. Freemasonry is a tool in league with Ecumencialism and a new age in the world. I’m not ignorant because I will expose all evil from some Freemasons, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR, the Bilderbergers.
By Timothy
Ron Paul & Barak Obama won the poll conducted among Masons on the ‘Burning Taper’ Masonic Blog.
Ron Paul made Masonic Signs during a speech and during his appearance on the Jay Leno program. Jay Leno is suspected of being a Freemason. Arnold Schwartzenegger who is also believed to be a Mason made Masonic signs during his recent appearance as well.
The CFR, the Trilateral Commission & the Bilderberg were founded by the Rockefeller family, the leading Masonic family in the United States.
Generally Eastern Star membership is only held by the spouses of Freemasons, that is the purpose of the organization, to keep the wives under control. For this item alone, if true, it is highly likely that Ron Paul is a Freemason.
Having observed Mr. Paul I believe he is a Freemason. Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity. Freemasonry is not democratic, it is a secret society. It practices favouritism and it’s members have been involved in many political intrigues. It’s members turned against England in 1776 largely because George III granted full rights to Catholics in Quebec, which at that time covered all of present day Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Illinois.
Washington and the other Leaders were land speculators and stood to lose a fortune from the Quebec Act, although ironically Washington was converted to Catholicism on his death bed by a Jesuit Priest.
George Washington, America’s first Catholic President.
Thanks for posting that comment about Ron Paul being the number one cadidate among Masonic Republican voters. That is a real all-seeing eye-opener, wouldn’t you say? That just adds to my case that he has the Masonic stamp of approval.
I went to Burning Taper to find the poll. The latest one I found was January 21, 2008. If anyone has a more recent Masonic poll showing Ron Paul out in front among Freemasons, please by all means share it here.
The link:
Ron Paul, Barack Obama lead by wide margins in our presidential primary polls
http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2008/01/ron-paul-barack-obama-lead-by-wide.html
You’re more than welcome. The Catholic bit at the end of the post was an attempt at humor, but basically it is factual. Georgetown University, in Washington D.C. has a few mysteries to reveal still. It was founded by Bishop Caroll, a statue of whom rests in the main courtyard. There appears to be a pyramid or triangle behind his seated figure with an eye at the appex, although the photo of it availabe on line at the University’s website isn’t too clear, so my description above isn’t a definitive one. A little project for someone in the DC area…
There are still things to discover regarding the true origins of Freemasonry. It is possible it was originally a Catholic Secret Society tied to James I in Scotland (the Jacobins), that got taken over by the Protestant Hanovers and turned into a vehicle for social control. That is one theory anyways that could explain the similarities between symbols and terms of the Catholic Church & Freemasonry.
Freemasonry today is certainly anti-catholic & anti-christian, although they have succeeded in recruiting a great many members in the clergy.
Freemasonry is also heavily involved in various Governments, Intelligence Agencies, and International NGO’s. It is the Walmart of Conspiratorial doings.
Above you kept referring to God. Are you referring to God as the Father of all men or did you mean to say Jesus? Please post a link to the video of the Shriner praising Lucifer. That would be an interesting watch. What are the basic tenants of Christianity? What else did Jesus teach? Do you really want to know what goes on at a meeting? Get a petition and file it with a local lodge. I understand why Freemasons as a group shrug off getting involved with debates with people such as yourself. I think we can keep this going though, in a civilized matter and I can show you, without violating my oaths, that you are indeed wrong about several things.
Also, let me get this straight. You don’t care for Masons or Catholics? What about members of The Odd Fellows, The Moose, The Elk, the VFW?
Also, if we are anti-Christian, then why do we have The Knights Templar where you must profess a belief in Christ as your savior to be a member????
I reviewed the YouTube video clip of Mr. Paul’s appearance on Bill Maher’s program posted above on this thread.
The Crossed Arms Ron Paul is making when leaning against the lecturn during the debate is a Masonic Sign. It could be a co-incidence, but it doesn’t look too natural, or comfortable. But Crossed Arms, Crossed Legs, Crossed Ankles(Mr. Paul did that one during his Jay Leno appearance), crossed hands are Masonic signs.
The handshake Mr. Paul used with I believe Ben Affleck and PJ Rourke appeared to be Masonic.
I don’t consider any statements made that Mr. Paul is not a Mason to be very credible. Freemasons continuously deceive on their membership and many other aspects. It is also to be remembered that the Slick Willie ‘It all depends what your definition of is is’ is pure Masonry (Clinton is a Demolay Member). So if a Freemason says they are not a Mason it is not particularly helpful because the organization they are a member of is actually Free & Accepted Masons. Or similar phrasing, you have to be very specific with them, and in the end they could just lie anyways.
He appears to be a member of a Masonic Family – wife, daughters, father, son. There are obviously Masons on his campaign team, and he was the most popular in a Masonic Poll at the burning taper blog (54%).
The thing with Masons is they work as a group, ‘The Beehive’, it doesn’t really matter about the individual because it is who he ends up appointing to positions. Anyways he is not going to win, so it is the Masonic Love Bombing I am more concerned about. Masonry is very clever about diffusing and misdirecting it’s critics. It is a veritable house of mirrors.
Masonic signs? Which ones? Please name them. Also, if we were so powerful, wouldn’t more of us be rich, and couldn’t we just have this website removed from the internet??????????
When I refer to Freemasonry, I refer to it in the broadest terms, that is in terms of anything that is “masonic” or has a similar structure to Freemasonry with grips, passwords, oaths, initiations, rites, occult symbology, tight secrecy, wordplay, an outer front to fool the public and it’s own internal compartmentalized bureaucracy. That includes Odd Fellows, Moose, Elks, VFW, Rotary, OTO, Knights of Columbus, Knights of Lazurus, Jesuits (see above pic with masonic symbols at Georgetown), Templars, Assassins and Ismailis (who influenced the Templars) Rosicrucians, SMOM, Skull and Bones, etc etc. What I am saying is that it’s all the same old shit, dressed up in different colorful perfumed wrappers, but when you open them up they all stink just the same as the others because corruption always has a foul oder.
They all exist under the masonic category as secret and powerful interlocking hierarchical societies which ultimately run this masonic matrix system as they have done down through the centuries. The Templars were a Catholic order, dissolved by papal decree and replaced by the Knights of Malta another Catholic order, and reappeared in Scotland as the basis for modern Scottish Rite Freemasonry as other masonic streams came together into the York Rite in England and the Grand Orient in France.
So it matters not so much what label you use. “Masonic”, the way I use it, simply refers to the ancient cabalistic occult system of elite manipulation and control passing down through the ages from Babylon, Egypt, Greece and Rome. It created and permeates Christianity, controls it on all sides, sets up controlled oppositions to thwart and neutralize any attempt to challenge it’s overarching authority.
The Protestant Reformation was run by Rosicrucians and the Rosicrucian manifestos were approved by the Jesuits who were supposedly in opposition to Protestantism. But this is all part of the fabricated Hegelian dialectic of managed history. They create an enemy anti-thesis with one hand, battle against it with the other hand and out of the chaos comes their synthesis. They create the disease (both literally and figuratively) with one hand and with the other hand, they hold out the “cure” which is worse than the disease! This is done over and over again and again because it works so damn well and people always buy into the the propaganda about these managed conflicts and so go along with the “solutions” such as the United Nations which is pushing for a One World Religion.
Communism was again created by the same elite who created and funded Nazi Germany (see Skull and Bones). The same elite who staged 9/11 and the Global War on Terror, which is really a war on humanity. Then they bring out another war on humanity, the War on Global Warming which is the basis for their eugenics depopulation program. This is called Order Out of Chaos. The masonic motto of Ordo Ab Chao. All through history, the elite have staged wars and other conflicts and predicaments so that they could come in and pose as our saviors, and take their agendas to the next predetermined stage in their Grand Plan, the New World Order.
Lincoln P. Bloomfield reveals the method of Ordo Ab Chao:
“An alternative road may bypass the main path of history, shortcircuiting the organic stages of consensus, value formation, and the experiences of common enterprise generally believed to underlie political community. This relies on a grave crisis or war to bring about a sudden transformation in national attitudes sufficient for the purpose. According to this version, the order [New World Order] we examine may be brought into existence as a result of a series of sudden, nasty, and traumatic shocks.”
– A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations by Lincoln P. Bloomfield. Prepared for IDA in support of a study submitted to the Department of State, dated February 24, 1961
Similar amazing things have been stated by Kissinger, Brzezinski and the Club of Rome as to how to unite the world alchemically by first dividing and conquering it. This is a long historical process that is finally coming to fruition after thousands of years of planning and manipulation have paid off for the elite as we enter the final stages of the masonic New World Order. It is known as The Great Work, that is a construction of the “builders” who are the masons and others like the Rosicrucians and it can only be carried out down through the generations because the elite aristocratic families have agreed to work this plan until it is completed.
We have all been conned and hoodwinked (a masonic term) to the point that all of our debates fall within this limited paradigm that was set up by the elite occultists, the Illumined Ones, the Freemasons and Romanists of today. Politics and religion are complete shams, meant only to lead the masses into the ultimate form of slavery, total control over the mind. It’s the shepherds leading their flocks of ignorant sheep as it has always been. And there are indeed many divisions and groups, but in the end, at the top they are all run by the same aristocratic royal bloodlines as they have been since the beginning of history.
Since the top-level leaders of this established order keep their lower-level members in the dark and feed them a lot of crap and propaganda, of course, they show up to sites like this to protest and state their ignorant opinons, like Lloyd here. I feel more pity for you than anything Lloyd. I really do.
Excellent debate! My opinion was not shifted by this however. I have never been labeled a sheeple. In fact the most common remark is that I have a bad attitude. That attitude in reality is that I demand truth in word and deed. Knowing the truth is the hard part. Anyone who has any knowledge of history has certain proof of the elite’s conspiracies through all time. I am the blood descendant of a Native American tribal shaman. Because of this, my basic beliefs are spiritual first. Most religions teach the same basic theme. True religion does not bow to the will of man. Nor does any man have the power to rule or judge in God’s stead. The law of liberty is equity. That is; “all of your dealing must be equal and balanced.” If you worship the Spirit of Truth and commune with it, you will become one. If you worship the spirit of inequity, you will become one. Choose your path to live and die by that choice. That which you love will be your master. No matter which path you choose, you will end up where you truly belong.
I am a Mason, and a Christian. The two can co exist. I do agree that the government is corrupt and out of control. Did they plan 9/11. I don’t think so, but they are as opportunistic as the next guy, and if they weren’t they would be stupid. There are alot of fundamental issues in this country, and there will be another revolution. There has to be, and I promise you, that men such as myself, and other Masons think the government is out of control, and will be there fighting to restore what rightfully belongs to the people. If you think there is a society within a society, I’m not going to be able to change your mind because you won’t believe anything I say, but I can tell you that the 3 million Craft Masons (or lower levels as you call us) will be there fighting the revolution right next to you, for the same reasons as you.
“all of your dealing must be equal and balanced.” = level
PJ, you also have some misunderstanding as to the actual structure of Masonry. Master Masons do not have to join the Scottish Rite, or the York Rite, the Shrine or Grotto, etc, etc…. I know plenty of men in positions of power that only belong to the Blue Lodge. My dad was a 32nd Degree Mason, and it’s not that I saw anything I didn’t agree with, the reason I probably will not go down that path is because I don’t want to pay more yearly dues.
The future is horrible, not because of global warming, terror or overpopulation, but because it was planned that way by the Masonic power structure. That is, it was planned to be hell for the general population while it would be heavenly for the psychopathic criminal elite.
All of their plans are coming to fruition because they have conceived it and built it up be this way. That is what the New World Order is all about: a very dark and evil dystopia of inside terror psyops, global government, absolute tyranny, neofeudalism where the rich get obscenely richer while the poor just get poorer, a microchipped and brainchipped population tracked and traced everywhere they go, cops in black military super-soldier outfits pumped up on violence, PTSD and steroids, pre-crime arrests and indefinite detentions, torture, directed energy weapons used to control crowds, robotic surveillance spiders crawling around your home, surveillance drones looking in your windows, families torn apart by social-engineering and economic insecurity, a cashless credit system, a grey and dirty landscape of crumbling third-world infrastructure and litter, poisoned water, toxic food, America sinking into oblivion like Atlantis, Communist China taking center stage in the world, perpetual war with no end in sight and massive exterminations of human beings. This is the future, and it already happening, and it was all planned this way. It was not an accident that just happened all by itself.
All of this was made possible by the Blue Lodge troops following orders from above. Without them doing what they are told, the elite would not have anyone to carry out their designs. So I blame the Blue Lodge, the Elks, Oddfellows, Rotary, etc, etc, just as much as the higher degrees. Low-level Nazis have always said “we were just following orders” but that just does not fly. It’s a wretched excuse.
No Lloyd, Blue Lodge masons have done exceeding harm to both themselves and the rest of the world. They should be ashamed, but most will justify their involvement to their graves.
Freemasonry is nothing more than a criminal gang syndicate, the ultimate cult, run by the elite of the elite like the Duke of Kent, that keeps its lower members in line through disinformation, terrible blood-oaths, blackmail, perks and priviledges. The mason’s first loyalty is to his lodge and their master above all else. Masons are trained in the art of deception, how to keep the secrets and how to lie with a straight face, to deny, deny, deny right into the grave. No, I would never trust a mason or even a former mason unless he publically exposed Freemasonry for what it is and faced up to the consequences, like a man. Even then, he could be dragged back in or at least further compromised by threats, so the former mason is on very shaky compromised moral ground. It is truly sickening to contemplate. That is why most masons and former masons can’t be trusted by the general populace, even or especially when they change sides.
And stop covering up for the real terrorists behind 9/11 Lloyd. The towers represented Jachin and Boaz. Now they are erecting the tallest obelisk in the world over the scene of carnage complete with reflecting pools. All masonic symbolism!
Why is there an open “unfinished” inverted pentagram in the DC street plan pointing down into the Whitehouse? Because as Goethe suggested in Faust, to allow the Luciferian energies in, to circulate through the halls of power. James Hoban, an Irish Freemason designed the Whitehouse, modeled on the High Knights Templar Lodge of Ireland, and what do you know, a very wicked and horrible Templar princeling has sat there on the throne for the past 8 years after his very evil Templar, Knight of Malta father occupied it for some 12 years as VP and president previously. And none have so expertly held “the seething powers of Lucifer” in their hands as they have. It was after all George Bush Sr who first publically revealed “the Big Idea” a “New World Order”. And 9/11 was used to push it through to completion. This is not mere opportunism. This is long-term planning coming to fruition.
And so all of DC is nothing more than a massive masonic magical diagram festooned with occult symbols. When they are through using it, they will smash it and scatter it to the four winds. So the New Atlantis, America is now sinking into the sea, on the decline because it was set up that way. No accident. It is no accident that American elites handed Communist China everything it ever wanted to our own detriment: tech transfers, massive trade deficits, all our manufacturing, even food production and a huge chunk of our national debt. This undermining of our security is the doing of the Bushes and the Rockefellers, the Skull and Bones, the Order of Death, just another Masonic organization which uses Templar symbolism. So everything from the very beginning was set up according to plan to make America the greatest superpower, use it’s people and resources as an engine for globalization and global government and then to smash it and absorb it into the global system once it’s purpose had been fulfilled.
You have a long and treacherous road to recovery from Freemasonry ahead of you Lloyd, if you ever decide to truly cut your ties with it. But you certainly will not get off easy either with your former masters or with those who know what it is really about.
Wow. You truly believe this don’t you? Can you show me documented facts of what you claim? You have also ignored my past questions…….why? Is it because the answers don’t satisfy your beliefs?
Lloyd, forget you. You are a lost soul. I’m not going to do your research for you. Just google everything I have said here and you will find what you are looking for. That is, if you aren’t too lazy to do it, but I think either you are too lazy or you already know everything I am saying is true and just want to tie me up and waste my time.
I said I felt pity for you, but now I just feel disgust.
I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree. Would you like to proceed with the public debate?
pj is more right than wrong lloyd. It is hard to discover the truth but even worse if you can not accept it.
“Leave her my people lest you partake in her sins”
I have no need or desire to waste my time debating with a mentally and spiritually perverted member of a criminal cult who has no interest in the truth whatsoever.
Anyone who is a sincere truth-seeker, a freedom-fighter, an independent-thinker, a truly concerned citizen, a genuine researcher, dissident, patriot, whathaveyou, is more than welcome to ask me how I arrived at my conclusions. Please ask for specific references, links etc and I will be more than happy to provide them to you.
As for Masons and those of a that ilk, you disgust me and I find dealing with you to be very repugnant and distasteful, but one of those things I am bound to run into because of the nature of what I am doing here.
You didn’t answer many of my questions, and then when you get frustrated because you’re arguments don’t make sense you try and attack my character by saying you have pity on me and disgust.. For what? I would love to see your links, maybe you could convince me, maybe not.
Lloyd, I’ve been researching subjects related for forty years and don’t have all the answers. I do however know more now. I wish there had been some link or book or something to make it simple. There is no such link or book. First of all, one source would only be speculative at best. When you find enough different, unrelated sources the evidence begins to compile. We are convinced one at a time and all from different sources. I myself am some what of a skeptic. I am convinced from many historical references that the elite of the Masons are not good people. There are good people in the lower ranks. Yet just having a blind eye makes one compliant.
One must always keep asking questions and reading, listening, watching, observing, engaging.
There is no one book or link–one must read many and develop discernment. And simply watch the world around you.
In an earlier life cycle friends were concerned that I “didn’t appear to be doing anything,” and were anxious to get me looking/being busy I guess. I went through the motions of applying to grad school–and realized no one was teaching me the things I wanted to learn, and I was better off buying my own books, doing my own studies and etc and searching on my own.
Of course no nice pieces of paper to hang on the wall or put on resumes, but I couldn’t see submitting myself to future people for judgment and critiquing me who very well might be part of the problems I was trying to unravel.
Guess we now know why he was able to run for President. Glad I never donated.
I wanted to add-
Now they have the name of patriots who donated to his campaign.
I did donate $100 (more if I would have had it to give) because I too thought he was “our only hope”. Now, here I am trying to shed some light on who Ron Paul actually is, rather than feeding the mythology which is controlling the vast majority of those in the truth/patriot/freedom movement.
Thanks Wil. That is what I was trying to say. To become informed, you need to do your own research from a wide variety of sources including those with whom you disagree. This way, you are able to put the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. It certainly isn’t handed out and none of us has all the answers.
As for Lloyd, he never asked me a specific question, and he never bothered to answer my specific question about Pike. He may think he is a “good man”, but he is at the very least an accessory to the coverup of this monstrous crime which is the New World Order system conceived and controlled by the Illuminati comprised of masons and other secret societies.
To earn my respect, he needs to renounce and then publically denounce Freemasonry. But I doubt he will ever do that because it requires tremendous moral courage to be a real man, to be one’s own man and think freely.
Liberty Oak Ranch
2929 CR 32
Angleton, Texas 77515
979-864-3131
Dr. Gerald and Penny Freeman; Owners
Probably your source…
She did not say he was a member, only that he attended open meetings (which I assume means open to the public and/or non masons). You can be a member of
that particular branch if your father or grandfather were masons in good standing, and it’s not necessary to have a husband currently a member in good standing. Same goes for the girls rainbow club.
That said, her non-answer, like everyone elses, is ambiguous, deliberately misrepresenting the facts, and/or slanderous of those asking a very simple question. Seems to have been done on purpose to hide the fact that he is a mason.
We have a right to ask such questions of our public servants, and would be irresponsible to not only not ask, but to elect members of secret societies.
I’d say the odds are >80% he’s a mason, if actually he isn’t, perhaps he doesn’t wish to say either way for fear of seeming anti-masonic (he has to live with his wife you know ;). Either way, he’s compromised, not least of which is that he’s married into it, and attends their meetings.
Oh, and for all you ‘most masons are good’, this may very well be true insofar as they are good intentioned (not that you can say, as they are sworn to secrecy), but the masonic institution, at its’ roots, most assuredly is not. What would you expect of a secret society, of which so many of it’s own members have publicly stated so? The lower level members are not told the secrets, now are they? etc, ad nauseum, in any event we may ask whatever we wish, and think whatever we want about secret societies.
In addition, it is not based on the bible (I speak of the Catholic/Christian bible, most of them anyways) as is so often implied, and Catholics are forbidden to be members.
RP should have just answered the question. We will find out eventually one way or another, but it seems even a direct answer of no at this point would be suspect.
Similarly–the press rolled over and played dead with Bush and Kerry on their Skull and Bones memberships during the 04 smoke and mirrors.
Well, well, well, “Too-tired”, thanks for that bit of sleuthing. I think it is pretty safe to assume that “Oak” is Pennny Freemason, oops, I mean Penny Freeman. Here is the website link for those interested, though it is a pretty goshdarn dull website.
Liberty Oak Ranch Angleton, Texas
http://libertyoakranch.com/default.aspx
This helps to legitimize the person as a real individual where before we had only the handle.
Yes, I have reaffirmed many times that I had no proof that RP was a freemason, but the fact that he went to “many” meetings makes you wonder. Made me wonder, that is for sure. So at the very least we have a candidate who is very friendly and sympathetic to Freemasons and whose wife is basically a female freemason, member of the Eastern Star, which refers to the Dog Star Sirius, associated with Lucifer and the inverted Satanic Pentagram, but nothing to worry about. Oh, what’s the harm? They are only creating the New World Order that RP is supposedly fighting against. So why worry about a little thing like this? Everybody just go back to sleep and send more money to Ron Paul, our only last desparate hope for salvation! Amen.
Yes indeed, old Penny Freemason didn’t deny saying any of what I have shared with you all here. That being said, it would seem that all points of light remain green for going down the track to expose Ron Paul as a mason himself. I feel pretty confident that the information will keep trickling in here until it becomes an undeniable fact. I just want to remind others out there reading this that we are searching for any clues or direct evidence linking Ron Paul to ANY secret society, Order, mysterious group, or whathaveyou. I smell it and I think it is only a matter of time before we have the goods on him. I have already pointed out his very intimate association with JBS, which is controlled opposition, founded by masons, Nelson Rockefeller, knights of malta and even members of the CFR! I have also pointed out the fact that RP is very friendly to the Vatican which is pushing for a New World Order and whose popes support the UN and bless the UN flag in direct contradiction to what RP is supposedly about.
Yes we do absolutely have not only a right, but an obligation to find out what secret societies our “rulers” belong to. I put it at 90% still, but could go down to 80% depending on how long this takes to uncover it. I don’t think I will ever relent from this investigation though. Something about RP is starting to stink, and it isn’t his underwear.
One thing I would correct you on is that many Catholics are masons including Cardinals and Bishops and there is even a Lodge in the Vatican itself. These distinctions do not really matter at the highest levels where Knights of Malta mingle freely with high Freemasons who are descended from the Knights Templar which was taken over by the Knights of Malta and the circle is complete.
And Penny Freemason, I am sure you can provide us with a lot more information on Ron Paul’s Masonic connections since you were his scheduler for ten years or so. So please don’t be shy about it.
What we need to know is A) at which lodges he has attended these “many” meetings. and B) which high freemasons (32 degree and above) he associates with.
I think Ron Paul may have had to run with Masons to get elected in Texas. I’m sure his families connections didn’t hurt… but anybody who grows up in small town America, knows that these organizations may influence local politics, but they don’t openly discuss world domination… they usually empty kegs of beer.
I was a skeptic of Ron Paul’s until I started reading his books and statements in Congress. If you do your homework, you’ll see that Paul has been taking on the Federal Reserve system, and the concerted movement of America to the far left on the political spectrum. He’s stood by the constitution and defended Washington, Adams and Jefferson, and their desire to avoid foreign entanglements… His record is rock solid… Honestly… if you read enough… you’ll get sick of it… he sounds like a broken record…. and it’s always about civil liberties and following the US Constitution… if that’s at the heart of his Masonic mission… I’m confused.
It was reported today that a major topic at the Rockafeller-funded Trilateral Commissions annual meeting was “the problem with Ron Paul.” Apparently the Trilats are not happy about Ron Paul teaching an entire new generation about the truths of American Politics. They have made it part of their agenda to get him out of the GOP race and end his political influence….” This apparently was up their with their desire to futher tax Americans for the war and to push oil over $200 a barrel.
So… Mason or No Mason… He’s pissing off the elite.
doctordrewl, astute comments, but the fact is he isn’t pissing them off that much or they would have framed him for something or rigged elections against him or taken him out like they did with the Kennedys, Dr King and Paul Wellstone, who really pissed them off.
No, Ron Paul has lead a very long and comfortable, congenial carreer in congress and was always very deferential and frankly wimpy on the floor even when he was criticizing his opposition.
Before I had decided to vote for Ron Paul, I watched him for a few years and never got very excited about him because he was so lukewarm and wimpy. Later, when he entered the race he picked up and sharpened his rhetoric a little and started sounding more forceful. That wasn’t the reason I decided to support him though. The main reasons were his stances against the war, being pro-liberty and against the FED/IRS.
People say he is “rock solid” and “consistent”. Yeah, after a quarter century in Congress he has been consistently ineffective at stopping any New World Order programs which have just multiplied and expanded under his watch.
There is a difference between words and fruits and frankly Ron Paul has nothing to be proud of in the fruit department, not that anyone else in the do-nothing congress should be proud either. And I do very strongly believe that a Freemason cannot be trusted to fight against the Masonic New World Order. Anyone who thinks that is a dern fool. And I do still believe strongly that he is a mason based on the fact that his wife is currently an Eastern Star according to Penny Freeman quoted above, and what’s worse is that he is hiding this fact from his supporters, many of whom are smart enough to know about the treachery of Freemasonry and know better than to trust masons. And one powerful confirmation that he is a mason is that he is the preferred candidate among Republican Freemasons according to the Burning Taper poll.
What I believe about Ron Paul is simply this: he is, like his associates in JBS, an agent of Freemasonry, acting as controlled opposition to neutralize the real opposition, the real truth movement, the real freedom movement. He is doing a good job of that having taken in the majority of the entire truth/freedom/patriot/etc movement, herding them all together under one roof. That I will hand to him, that he did accomplish the control over the opposition which is to be managed, toned down, compromised and eventually neutralized. That is Ron Paul’s forte’ and that will be the legacy he leaves behind.
Mark my words a few years from now as America gets flushed down the toilet.
But you see, this was the Plan all along the way for centuries. To use the “New World” as the “New Atlantis” to bring about a Novus Ordo Seclorum, a “New World Order” announced by George Bush Sr, but carried out by his fellow masons since the birth of this country. Once they were done using it, then it would be gradually dismantled and that is why the elites (who are all masonic, that is members of one order or another) have continued to sell America out on all fronts after having invested in it and made it the leading superpower by WWII. Now all that goes away as we the commonors get screwed in every conceivable way.
I know all this is very hard to take. It is hard for me to say, but it is all true. It is a very unpopular view that I hold, and so I stand mostly alone and face a lot of heat for it, but I sincerely believe everything I have said in this post.
Meanwhile the UN Secretary General will be hitting the highlights in Atlanta–our pro China globalist Governor, the Earth Hour Mayor, CDC, and a soirée with the Council of “Elders” at the Carter Center. Local news just had brief offhand comment which was first I’d heard about it. However–plenty on the UN website, which I guess I’ll have to add to my daily reading–moan.
PJ, do you consider yourself a Christian? How about a Patriot?
Oh yeah, if you want to see what Pike really said, go here: http://www.masonicdictionary.com/pike.html
wil,
No doubt, brother.
Bush 1: skull and bones (known as magog no less, and his family is married into the walkers, more skull and bones), Clinton, mason affiliated club, CFR, Rhodes, and whatever else, Bush 2 skull and bones (known as ‘temporary’) running against Kerry (another skull and bones devil worshiper, married into the Heinz family, more skull and bones, don’t know what his nickname was though). Mentioned ONCE, by another player, on Meet the Press. It’s planned insanity.
I don’t even want to think about the UN right now…
Concerning the Liberty Oak Ranch b.s. It’s a dead end. They’ll keep their secrets and abuse the ‘you’ve no absolute proof, therefore I’m innocent’ ruse.
RP is a shill at worst, and at best, someone who might have done some good had he had any chance at all of getting elected, which at this point and time in U.S. history is laughable (remember even stephanapolus, said ‘no way in hell’ on national tv, then the ‘what makes you think you’re at all electable’ during the debates, the lack of press coverage etc. etc. etc.) .
RP has a great voting record, is against the IRS and Fed Reserve, which is great (won’t speak out about 911, but I guess he values his life more, or that’d be going too far), exactly like a good shill should be, but he has been wholly and entirely ineffective.
Whatever RP is or isn’t concerning secret societies is moot at this point, really. He’s not getting elected, am I correct? We maybe lost some time and effort and money supporting him, shill or last place in the horse race not withstanding.
We have to start over.
Oh, by the way, it is not true that Catholics can be freemasons, or any other secret society or member of any organisation that contradicts Jesus Christ. There’s no masonic lodge at the vatican (plenty of questionable pagan art and architecture, however) That’s not to say there aren’t any, but they ex-communicate or “gravely sin” by doing so.
Yeah, there are lots and lots of bad people in the church, but what, without offering excuses, do you expect out of more than a billion humans…
Lloyd Clinton: it’s not our fault they lied to you.
I’d go into it, but i’m tootired of this for the moment .
All this stuff wears me out too–ha.
And I keep digging.
Making up drivel about things I am ignorant of would tire me out also. You want to convince me, but you leave so many of my questions ignored…why? Probably because they don’t fit your needs and arguments…
Lloyd: Oh, are you questioning my patriotism? That’s okay. “A patriot is a scarce man, hated and scorned.” Well, I fit that criteria well enough. I definitely do not take popular stands, but take the stand that I deem to be the true one regardless of what others may think, say or do.
The opposite of a patriot is a traitor. I do not fit that description because I do not betray anyone, especially not my countrymen. A traitor betrays his own people. I just tell them the truth. Instead of going along to get along, I warn them of the dangers ahead. If they hate me for it, I can do nothing about that.
As for my religion, I have none. I do not belong to any religion, cult, club, organization, secret society or political party (anymore… though I was a libertarian).
I am sure that doesn’t satisfy you, but this is the answer to your question: no I am not a Christian (nor am I simply an atheist which is just another lable) and yes, I am a patriot who wishes only well on his country, the land, the people and yet, I believe our system is destructive and corrupt to the core and to its highest levels (because of secret societies like Freemasonry, Skull and Bones, Jesuits et al), and must be radically altered in order to be of real benefit to Americans and others. In fact we desparately need a revolution of knowledge and understanding in this country that is impeded by the secret societies which control all the major institutions.
You see Lloyd, if you ask a specific question in the right way, you get a specific answer in return. Works better than demanding whole pages of sources and bibliographies or casting aspersions. Ask me a single question or ask for a single reference and I am glad to provide it.
When I was a child 2001 A Space Odyssey came out and like oh wow–the future! Then in high school it was believed when 2000 came it would be the Age of Aquarius.
Still waiting–ha. Though I now realize it can’t be waited on–it has to be seized, nurtured, and defended.
And all the BS on Mayans and 2012–predictive social engineering of mass expectations.
I don’t believe any of these dates control human society. What controls society is the elite occultists (masons etc) using these dates and ages to schedule out their very long term agendas because they are inbred psychopaths for the most part who are happy to work to a meglomaniacal super plan which gives them a sense of superiority and power over the “profane” (that’d be you and me chum).
Lloyd: According to your own reference Pike does not deny that “Masonry is identical with the Ancient Mysteries” meaning the “mystery religions” of Babylon, Egypt, Greece and Rome. He merely laments the fact that this mystery religion has been altered over time and that it doesn’t match quite the power and grandeur of those ancient cultures where pharaohs and caesars were worshipped as gods.
He also, according to your reference, does not deny that “Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion” and that “its teachings are instructions on religion”. Most masons claim that Masonry is not a relgion, only a private charitable club, but here is the great expositor, “MASTER GENIUS OF MASONRY” according to your reference, explaining that it is indeed a religion. Then goes on to say it is about mercy, truth, devotedness etc, but he notes that it is “here” in the lodge where these things are practiced primarily, between bretheren of the order. The Masonic Skull and Bonesmen treat each other with the utmost kindness and helpfulness, but the fact remains that their motto is: “A Bonesman before all others” which indicates where their true loyalties lie.
Funny that you decide to use Pike’s quotes when earlier you claimed he wasn’t that smart and was in error. But that is typical Masonic logic! Haha.
Every Mason who vehemently denies that Freemasonry is a religion is either a liar or an ignorant dupe as all Masons are one or the other.
well said pj
Everything is open to personal interpretation isn’t it?
Masonic relativism Lloyd, the logic of a snake in the grass.
Cheers QM..*clink*
Do you ever see the light of day?
You mean the light of Sirius (“Eastern Star”) and of Lucifer don’t you Lloyd?
Nope, and don’t want it neither. Y’all masons can have it.
I prefer the natural light of the truth.
Isaiah 14:
[1] For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
[2] And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
[3] And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
[4] That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
[5] The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
[6] He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
[7] The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
[8] Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
[9] Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
[10] All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
[11] Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
[16] They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
[17] That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
[18] All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
[19] But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
[20] Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
[21] Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
[22] For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
[23] I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
[24] The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
[25] That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
[26] This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
[27] For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
[28] In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
[29] Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
[30] And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
[31] Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
[32] What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.
That is the only place in the Christian Bible where you find the name Lucifer. How can you take what is said above to mean Satan?
Masonic Creed:
Freemasonry teaches the universal principle of unselfish friendship and promotes those moral precepts which are in keeping with all great faiths. In pursuing this doctrine, the following, though not exclusive, is considered to be basic:
Masonic Beliefs:
Mankind was create by one God.
This one God is the author of all life.
God’s existence is revealed to man through faith and the Book of Holy Scriptures.
The Book of Holy Scriptures is the Ultimate Authority or Great Light of Freemasonry.
The soul of man is immortal.
Man’s commitment to Divine Providence determines his destiny.
Man’s reverence for God is best exemplified by his actions toward his fellow man.
Considering the universality of Freemasonry; its teachings cannot be defined in any single statement or established profile. The following is considered to be representative of its fundamental precepts and constitutes basic:
Man’s first duty is to love and revere God, implore His aid in all laudable undertakings, and seek His guidance through prayer, embrace and practice the tenets of religion, extend charity and sympathy to all mankind, shield and support the widow and orphan, defend virtue, respect the aged, honor the bonds of friendship, protect the helpless, lift up the oppressed, comfort the downcast, restore dignity to the rejected, respect the laws of government, promote morality, and add to the common stock of knowledge and understanding.
“[8] Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.”
Given today’s news–guess we need to keep working on that one.
As for truth– 3 years ago I was telling people that I knew I was collecting clues–I just didn’t know what the mystery(s) was (were) I was trying to uncover.
Have you yet to discover the mystery?
What is meant by the York Rite Masonry?
York Rite Masonry is the Christian Route of Masonry following the teaching of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who said , “Suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.”
Not specifically. ;-) Enough to know to keep looking and thinking.
Though when I said “mystery” we may be thinking different things. Tricky thing about words and definitions and meanings.
Peeling the onion layers and all through our respective minds and experiences.
Maybe it’s my Zen Vulcan sense of understatement.
Did I get my point across so well that no one cares to rebut?
Or it’s the weekend?
Those who have a candle to shed “great light” on truth, don’t hide under a bush. Or under an oath of secrecy.
I have taken several oaths, none of the secret so I don’t know what you refer to, please enlighten me.
It is the spirit that dwells within which will enlighten. You have the choice to test the spirit and yet you only vex and test the patients of truth.
Lloyd, if your oaths were not secret, can you tell us about them?
Ask and ye shall receive…what would you like to know?
Just tell us about your oaths. To whom did you swear them? What did you vow to do and not do? What is the consequence of breaking your oaths? What was the context in each ritual? What degrees are the oaths associated with? And anything else you want to add.
IF this B.S. about Ron Paul were true, then it would have been a sure win for the lame stream media to let Ron Paul into all of the debates and would not have been an issue for them to suppress is run for office. I believe this is a smear campaign. And again even if this B.S. were true, he is still the best available candidate by far.
Ron Paul might not be a mason, however he is a capitalist, in favor of privatization of state corporations and in favor of free market bourgeoise. The economic system that increases poverty, and concentrates wealth in a few
This revelation con firms my intuition that he was actually running dead and had no intention of upsetting any apple cart, just a pressure cooker valve to let off steam with out blowing the lid…..
SO WHAT. Get a life and get on board or go F__ you___ dude. The world is full of retards with agendas. The Dem and GOP are two third brain dead and you are tossing shit.
ESAD
My Grandfather was a Mason. Does that make him him a NWO goon? No. My point is 99% of Masons have no idea what is going on in their organization.
my grandfather was a freemason but i can guaruntee he had nothing to do with the nwo. probably the same as ron paul. not every mason is in on the big picture, it takes millions to deflect from the people who are. i am ashamed of rense for putting this out (the site i read it on) it is like saying ALL catholic priests a pedophiles, it simply doesn’t work that way. are many joining the priesthood to prey on boys, probably. but that in no way makes the whole organizations agenda to rape young boys. it is a silly simple minded article from simply simple perspectives. because it is orange doesn’t make it an orange. it just may be a tangerine…
hey jonathan you beat me to it, but you are exactly right… touche
So what, what if? Then how about him being way, way down, far behind all the others as “The lesser of the Evils!” In fact he would be on the very bottom.
The Masons are a Jew run organization. Pillars of Solomon….Hello.
Ron Paul quotes the Jew Communist Trotsky…..Hello.
Jews did 911 and all world wars. Ron Paul is a Jew Stooge for the Jew Gold cartels. Make your dependent on gold and you got Jew control…..hello.
Jews are now going to bring you Jew Great Great Depression II and Jew World War III.
Anyone who votes for ANY of the Jew Stooge candidates now running for president does not have the sense God gave a goose and you should get out the front door of your house immediately and get out of this country. You are as stupid as you look and are traitors.
If you vote you are giving the Jews a sign you are ready for Jew Kosher Ritual Slaughter.
Jews hate freedom of Speech. See how long this stays up.
http://www.Jews-Did-911.com
commander z you are a douchebag. blame the jews, those horned bastards. it shows your ignorance. but it is the playbook for the masons and nwo.ers who are in charge… divide and conquer. they use religion to divide us. some are jews some are christians some are catholics whatever. it is (religion) there tool to keep us from uniting and slaying the beast.
wake up before its too late!
The first thing i thought upon reading your comment, PJ, was that you never were a RP supporter. Your comments about Paul are straight out of the media talking points and show you for a fraud.
Rabbit, that’s pure BS. I gave money to the campaign and was telling everybody I knew to support Ron Paul, here on this blog an in my daily life and was briefly a member of the local RP meetup until I started having doubts and raising questions which nobody wanted to hear. Gradually, I started learning things about him that made me change my mind, so I stopped supporting him. That’s it and screw you.
There are alot of wanton walkers who’s job it is to come up with this stuff. My own guess is he’s a psyops side show, created to scoop up the disjointed stragglers.
I could be wrong. It seems anything is possible these years, but the people in government are highly intelligent and resourceful and can play the good guy just as easily act stupid. They have all the bases covered.
pj, yo are right on several levels, but i think you got it wrong. if ron was a mason they never let him in. he is way 2 principled. they may let him troll around the organization to cull political support but he is deffinately not a high level (in on it) mason. he would have never brought up the arguments he did. he’s got a whole eneration of followers that the masons would never let know the things he teaches. so his wife and my grandad were masons, it is hard to imagine all –however many million masons there are out there are in on it…it just aint happening.
I disassociate myself from Commander Z’s comments. This is not about Jew bashing.
cheers 5 smooth, i bet your right on track…
This psyops stuff about me is pure BS. It is ridiculous. I went to the Daily Paul. Found the comment by Penny Freeman (“oak”) his scheduler for ten years, put together the fact that Eastern Star members are generally married to Freemasons and simply posted it here for the purpose of discussion which is exactly what has happened with it. And I am not apologizing for mistrusting Freemasons. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the NWO, knows that it is a Masonic agenda.
Which is kinda saddening.
Wow! A politician is photographed at a Jesuit University giving a speech so he must be a freemason. What does that say about my dentist who graduated from there? That’s about as scary is the debunked reports of Ron Paul being a racist. If that’s that best dirt you can dig up on him, we should count our lucky stars. Rightly or wrongly, Ron Paul does not buy into conspiracy theories as a rule. That keeps the controlled media from targeting him and his supporters as “kooks.” You won’t find a more vocal opponent to the Federal Reserve and their warmongering ways than Ron Paul, mason or not (not all masons are the Illuminati). Rainbow Girls? Gimme a break. I say shoddy work, dude!
Maybe a New World Order isn’t such a bad idea after all. Our Republic has failed. Communism is a failure. Democracy sure dosen’t work. Religion is on the way out. Seems like the only system that works is Consumerism.
Anyhow, where does one join the New World Order? Or, are we just slowly absorbed into it? –jws
Mikey,
If you trust masonic politicians, you are an idiot, or you are one of them. In fact America is a ship of fools that is sinking as the Masonic elite laugh at us, all the way to the bank.
JWS, another idiot. In fact most of you posting her are idiots.
Who’s this “her” you’re referring too? Can you refute anything I have written? Maybe “her” can. ;-) –jws
The Republic failed because it was meant to fail. The masons are done using it, and like Bush says, they see the Constitution as just a GD piece of paper to wipe their asses with. This goes back to Master Mason Hellfire member Franklin’s little joke about “we have given you a republic…if you can keep it.” and I am sure he said it with a grin and a wink.
…as a matter of fact, the Masons (an off-shoot of the Illuminatti) have a pretty good idea in one area; the reduction of the world population by about 5/6 of current numbers. One billion souls would be much more manageable, donchathink? –jws
…and why are you conversing with an idiot? –jws
No matter how many people they bury, the NWO won’t last. If it is as the people say, “nothing but a political parasitic host”. Then it will collapse apon itself like a rabid dog feeding on it’s own legs. Be it only a day or ten thousand year reign, it’s paranoid moments will eat away at it’s foundation. One look at Mr. Dinosaur engraved into a rock must be a reminder to all. The only thing set in stone is the fossil. The system is nothing but a mafia.
i know you didn’t ask me but idiots are easier to talk to, just sayin’
but i think a billion is still too high a number to manage. they want far less
You’re probably right, ji. A billion is still a large number. It depends on how many servants are needed for the “chosen”.
I wonder if Enki knew how much trouble would ensue by genetically creating human beings?
Perhaps we should burn an effigy of Ninhursag in protest of an experiment gone bad… –jws
I was a RP supporter, vehemently. I was one of the ones fighting for truth on all the sites.
My first indication that something was wrong was when I donated money to his campaign, you are able to post comments to his site. Now, please know they had all sorts of mindless drivel on there that was permitted to post. All I said in mine was thank you for fighting for truth and maybe you should look further into 9/11 truth. This comment was not allowed to be posted on his site.
Then of course, the ronpaulforums: They promptly moved any news items that were posted to a hidden part of the site that nobody visited, you had to log in and then search subforums, basically completely hidden. They did this all the way until I stopped going there for the same reason. Literally within maybe two minutes, any news item was moved to make room for mindless cheerleading or basically any sort of worthless posts were allowed to stay. I remember my “turning point” of stoping trying to keep posting news items on the site, was there was a post about whether you would rather date Jessica Biehl or Jessica “someone” (Simpson?) – I don’t recall but it was totally worhtless, and responses were several pages long. I posted to the worthless thread to point out how rediculous it was that posts about any worthy news items (HR.R 1955 was the big one around that time, as well as coutless assaults on liberty by the current nazi regime) were moved and this post was allowed to go on and on. The author of the post actually had the nerve to tell me to lighten up and he said it also helped that he was friends with the top moderator. That was about it for me.
Every now and then, I’d peak in and half the page would be “Moved: such and such news item”….it was akin to a total psyop. And yes, there were proud freemasons all over the place on there. Conspiracy theories, as they called the news, had no place among the RP brethren, according to them. I can only imagine how many truth-seekers ran into a brick wall there as I did.
Then RP backstabbed us on the Glen Beck show, the same show whose host had called his supporters dangerous “terrorists” not a week or two before that.
Then of course, his decision to stay in the Republican party, and to put all his supporters work to shame by “suspending” the pres. campaign to win his congressional seat.
His myspace page also started censoring posts and deleting truth-seekers. People who were seeking a new revolution were quickly disappeared from the ranks.
The people who say he is two-faced are completely correct. He hardly said anything when the media blackballed him, when the vote fraud took all his votes.
I agree completely with the poster who said his purpose in this election was to corral all the truth-seekers safely away from the NWO candidates.
It is also my opinion the Jesuits are the top rung, the masons are their puppets. Same with the Jews, and the poster above me who says the Jews don’t have anything to do with this: Rothschilds – find out who theey are. they are also the Vatican bankers. The Vatican also had Hitler’s back, they signed the concordat (Cardinal Gelli then becamse Hitler’s pope – pius 12) right before WW2 commenced. Stalin, Roosevelt also Jews, as well as Hitler. They own the banks and the media – how could any person with eyes to see be blind to this? When all the smoke clears the world government will be based on the kaballah/mystery religions, with a pope or the “King of England” or both – or perhaps a false Jewish messiah ruling from Jerusalem (the beast, the son of perdition, the anti-christ, whatever you want to call this “thing”). I guess its all part of God’s plan, that these end timers all are of one mind. It says they all gave over their kingdoms to rule with the beast for ONE HOUR. Seems like a crappy trade to me.
TRUTH AND LOVE FOREVER
PS – I’m sure there are some good “Jews”, some good catholics. Also I wouldn’t trust any of the alternative websites these days either. Rense is about the only one left that hasn’t compromised themselves. Alex Jones never has a peep about the names or societies behind this thing. Michael rivero at whatreallyhappened has poisoned the 911 truth movement, has declared war on true Christians, and has ignored everything I’ve sent him about the Jesuits, the masons and all the secret societies’ real aims. you will never see this guy name names, and I trust him less every single day)
Ahhh, the tree of line.
Nature tends to rebel at cross breeding.
The Annunaki had fun with DNA , while it lasted.
(Somewhere down the road, it got called “Tree of Life”) too many idiots going with it.
I’m sorry if I’m posting too much on this site.
I can’t be bothered to change my title name, but I hate going to the places where the bloggers seem to wane from the subject at hand and simple steal each others thunder.
I do enjoy reading what the people around the world have to say. It’s nice to know that alot of the people in person and on the web are not afraid to voice an opinion. Let’s just keep our minds clear. It’s great that you all go out of our way sometimes, and the effort is much appreciated.
Shades of Aleister Crowley’s Minutum Mundum, 5SS. Perhaps Ron Paul got himself trapped in Chapel Perilous.
I wonder if there will be any RP Signs at the Republican Convention? –jws
Flying rods? Hospitals use them.
Guess they figure it’s the place to use the symbol for deaths door, hell.
Well, I guess there’s still no actual proof of RP’s Masonhood.
Being a member in good standing of the Brotherhood of the NTR (the Watchers), I must now go and do my “watching” elsewhere… –jws
I think everyone ought to check our bipolar.org and check out the mood disorder section on the far right. The 9/11 truth movement / Ron Paul for Pres movement / masonic conspiracy movement has converged into one mentally delayed entity.
I have contributed to the data of the 9/11 movement, supported and continue to support Ron Paul and I have involvement in a masonic movement that would make the knights templar you know seem like the play room at a local McDonald’s. I would die for freedom. I would take a bullet rather than pay a carbon tax and sure as PLUTO is warming right now while moving further AWAY from the sun and as sure as Mars’ polar ice caps are melting I worship the ultimate supreme being of our existance. The creator of all that is, was, ever will be. The most high, the holiest of holes. The begining and end to all that is, was ever will be. All religions are lies. Only the creator of creators, God of gods is the truth. No matter your stripe, you are under him and know of him and fear answering to him and form cliques that mutually exclude all truth that is hard to digest. Like it or not evil has been winning a long time but will lose in the end. you will eat each other for food as you will infight and lose the ultimate goal of your common concern.
You folks are losing and its very sad to see evil in your own ranks winning.
The masonic movement has been hijacked to some degree, yes for certain, but there’s a good stripe to the highest level. Money has become a problem as operating expenses get redefined as well as creative accountants change fee structures, initiatives etc. The masons WERE INDEED good, did indeed source out knowledge that would have ripped the fabric of faith allowing evil to win far too soon. All is not what you think or I think. Just remember who is the ultimate boss and don’t let your religious interfaces come between you and him. He rules the cosmic and is all good things to all good people but also likes to witness a good clash of the misaligned.
STOP THE INFIGHTING. Stop being the bigots you are becoming. You will one day thank the holders of celestial secrets for the secrets that saved your existence from the ultimate “killing joke(s)”. As you were!
Gim
LOL Holiest of holies… NOT HOLES!!! Bad keyboard!(old timer’s chiclet keyboard)
May I add to what ‘we as Amerukans ‘ mentioned on the owner of the site- whatreallyhappened.
I too have never recieved a reply from Mike. Whether he actually bothers to read them, could be the case.
I want to let his fellow athiests know that God allows the rain to fall on the good and bad and don’t think Sunday Church goers ,as Pat Robertson has proven himself to be, get a free pass for simply calling themselves true beleivers .
Athiests have a friend in satanists, but are seen as whinners. To megaphone hoisting athiests, there simply is no God if bad things happen in life. Specifically to them.
I think it’s still important that they realize not all Christians are finger pointers who can’t wait to get to heaven. Living it up while lost souls scream in hell. The very thought of this makes me cringe. Bush might as well be standing next to Christ.
America’s evangelicals are ignoring the signs and it’s TV ministers are telling viewers to carry on as if nothing is the matter, telling them all to buy bigger cars (that Jesus himself would drive) andthey will stay happy. This time more than ever the church should be vigilant.
Testing the spirits can make us wiser than serpents. We just have to know how to look.
Doesn’t matter whether he is a freemason , he was streets ahead of the other candidates.
If he was a prominent mason why didn’t his buddies in the cult give him some more limelight?
Not everyone in these orders is evil.
To the few “My Grandfather was…”. The point here isn’t that your grandfathers were evil men. Just that they were more than likely helping fund/contribute to something that, at the true core, wasn’t aligned with the values you knew them as having because of ignorance. That’s the cause for conern and a real clincher because…
The way all these systems are webbed together, I can assure you we’re all responsible in some way or another of funding this madness, and we probably acted through that same ignorance as Grandpa- Mason or not. The point is, asking questions like what’s the deal with Ron Paul shouldn’t make everyone upset… Why do you think it does?? Because beliefs become emotional, and that taints logic*. *(Yes, logic alone is just as bad… IMHO it’s about balance. Something I wish we all had more of in our lives.)
The control freaks win because the more tough questions like this aren’t asked or even talked about, the longer their rule. That’s the real evil, to insinuate that it’s ridiculous to speculate on some(any)thing, even if one is totally and completely wrong or seems maniacal. The truth stands on it’s own as they say. We should be more concerned with our own searches and helping other not just refining their views to fit our mold- Give out what nuggets you have, or if nothing other than it seems wrong, just say you’re not feeling it, and be on the way. Where’s all the harm in that? I know, pie in the sky, but yeah, oh well…
I was the same as the author of this thread, contributing to Paul’s campaign before one day, very randomly I remembered the line from the documentary “Money Masters” to be weary of anyone trying to bring back a gold standard: exactly what Mr. Paul wants to do. There are now many other things that are being mentioned that are making me wonder more. At the same point there’s a lot of his history that confuses me due to it’s authenticity (IE: congress voting record, view on Fed/IRS, etc.). But it was best stated as this by tootired: “Whatever Ron Paul is or isn’t concerning secret societies is moot at this point, really.”
We need to all become aware that these kind of things happen, and not just scoff at people for being “conspiracy theorists” (Even if they seem way out there! If they can form a paragraph, read it- these days a sentence is a rarity…). We all need to get more involved, and take back our power as mentioned above. Though that’s a lot easier said, than done- I commend those taking the action they can, and hope the focus on these kind of things intensify to the point where NOBODY can ignore it. At the moment I am (temporarily) feeling very defeated… I think anyone who is a ‘typical consumer’ type- once they realize the difference between dependence (what others make that keeps you alive) and independence (what you make that keeps you alive) would sympathize with that feeling. Good thing there’s all this free knowledge on the net to make those personal changes once you see them. (see the P.S.)
Now if you’ve made it this far, here’s this then I’m done: Personally, I think there’s a chance Ron Paul might be a freemason. He’s no doubt a smart guy, getting to where he is today. Maybe he’s “one of them… Or maybe he just likes breathing. You don’t have to be “in on it” to help these guys out. Ron Paul said himself that he didn’t think his campaign would have a good base right from the start (look for the interview with Larry King that never got aired, I believe he mentions that there). It had me wondering the whole time- is he on a joy ride? Just one of those things. Ron Paul knows who Ron Paul is. Just like you’re the only one that knows the real you. Now, if we could all just define freedom for ourselves and quit buying stickers and license plates touting our ignorance. That would be something- wouldn’t it?
Thanks,
-Jer
P.S. Start a garden!!! Talk to your neighbors, see if they already have one, exchange seeds, ideas… Create something that creates something that creates something else! (Please.)
Freemasons as whole, are not part of the NWO. However, there are some Freemasons who are involved in the NWO. There is way too much conspiracy directed towards them, because they have secret meetings. The real purpose of the Freemasons is to have a trusting group of poeple to trade services with. In other words, if you want to have a service done for you, do you want somebody you know you can trust(by using secret handshake) or do you want to gamble and possibly get screwed.
Bullshit Redzone.
funny how the masons think someone should thank them for keeping knowledge from everyone else, what a crock
Read the difinitons in Mackey’s Encyclopedia {1921} for – 1] Assassin. 2] Babylon. 3]Cativity. & THINK.
I did a little searching, but in a different way. If you want to search individual sites for stuff in the future just type this into google: imlookingfor site:siteurl
ie: ron paul site: aftermathnews.wordpress.com
I found this other poster on dailypaul who did a full forum quote on what liberty oak tree said. Pasted everything they said. Interestingly even that when clicked on leaves an access denied. Read here – http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gkJoLnbPoYoJ:www.dailypaul.com/node/46429+Quit+using+Ron+Paul+as+a+forum+for+your+bigotted+beliefs.+You+don%E2%80%99t+know+anything+about+him+or+his+ideals+obviously+site:dailypaul.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
You might also be interested on this article I wrote on obama, mccain, and clinton.
http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/buyer-beware/
I appreciate this posting and the subsequent comments.
I think wanting to find the truth about whether Ron Paul is now or ever has been any level of Freemason is a perfectly fine endeavor. Thanks for clearing up your comment about the 33rd degree comment, PJ.
Can’t wait to check out Quasi’s links. Could there be photos of Dr. Paul giving the el cornuto sign?
Ron Paul is stating the way our U.S.A. was supposed to work. For that, I greatly appreciate him and his candidacy. Most people have lost complete sight of how freedom for individuals is supposed to work in a constitutional republic.
I do not at all appreciate RP’s comments about 9-11 and sure would like some documentation of his telling someone that he would support a new investigtion.
I am a Christian raised as a Roman Catholic. I see Christianity, ALL forms of, as having been infiltrated by Satanic (Freemasonic or whatever word you choose) forces since the beginning of time. “Christianity” actually began in the garden of eden.
Satan is the prince of this world.
No president can save the U.S.A. I believe we have already lost our republic. We indivdiuals just need to fight and speak up for truth and freedom however we can, whereever we can.
This is a fallen world and the bible says there will be a one world government. We are well on our way to that. I look up with hope and joy because my “redemption draweth nigh”.
The only hope and peace and love for any individual on this earth for this life and the life of the world to come is Jesus Christ. He is the One Who is Truth. Truth exists in no other, no human being, no human system, no self.
I hope each person will search and find the Truth. He said He would split up family relationships and that His followers would experience persecution in this world. As James says, count it all joy.
Done a little searching on leader Ron Paul.
It’s a toss up. I’ll leave it to God to judge his motivations. But a blinding light may be showing.
Given a choice, would one rather have as a neighbor someone who does not care for you in his heart but his behaviour is nonetheless correct? Or the thief who does care, but supports secretive foundations, kicks your dog and swears at you and your children?
How much is Paul involved in the Masonic order?
Makes sense that he’s a freemason actually. The only way to change a system that was created to oppress us is to do away with that system. That means no more central government, no more tax, no more fiat money, no more control by bureaucrats at any level. It is sad that we continually look up to leaders to save us. You KNOW it’s the truth. Change starts at home. Stop being followers. Grow your own food. Get out of the cities if you want to survive.
My perspective on Ron Paul was that he was too good to be true. The simple matter of fact that things are so tightly controlled on who gets into power, it does not surprise me that Ron is most likely a Free Mason.
I wrote a book that will wipe away any illusions you may hold concerning Government and Law. Basically these actors are totally controlled puppets and do not represent the people at all, but imaginary corporations created by the Government, hence the all cap names on everything. If you want to know the truth, download my book at:
http://www.freedomfiles.org/extortion.pdf
Rob
I am not a freemason. I do like Ron Paul and think he is one of only a hand full of decent politicians. If it proves out that he is a freemason, it by no means proves that he is evil. The vast majority of people who are “freemasons” are good decent people. They are completely unaware of the dark undertones that the members of the highest order 33rd degree and higher “might” be exposed to. For the most part, most freemason lodges are ver similar to Knights of Columbus or Elks lodges. They may perform a mock ritual or two as an initiation for new members but there is no malcontent or underlying conspiracy. I know several people who are freemasons and they are all genuinely good upstanding people. they are ignorant to any “illuminati’ darkness. I personally think that this is the case with any “institution” that becomes a powerful representation of a large number of the populace. Whether it is a business, religion or other social club, once they demonstrate that they weild a certain level of clout over the populace, then those in power (ruling elite, NWO, illuminati or whatever you want to define them as) are only interested in the highest levels of the organization not at the local level. These people want for nothing as they have all the wealth that they can possibly need. What they want is “CONTROL” and “POWER”. You don’t do that from the bottom, middle or near the top. You only achieve that at the very highes levels which are so concealed and isolated for their own preservation.
Everyone else is ignorant to it all for the most part. That is by design.
Another puppet. Do not fear what you see….fear what you do not see. Any hope I had for Ron Paul is gone with his membership in this NWO driven organization. Presidents are selected, not elected and I guess that holds true once again. Whoever wins in this bunch of selected candidates are moving forward full speed to an eventual end….what can we do to stop this insanity.
Thanks for this great information about another gatekeeper, timewaster, opposition controller.
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I always liked what Ron Paul said, but I didn’t like the cult that followed him- people were waaaay too willing to hand over total power to him. The people giving up their power to the government is how we got into this mess in the first place!
Go study http://www.exopolitics.org- it may enlighten you.
This is another rumer started by a new world order trol, its bullshit
Masons, Hitler, Obama, Clinton,Zionists, Knights of Columbus, etc., has nothing in store for the human race as the subject I have followed while being in the US Space Program.
Open my website:
http://www.stargate-chronicles.com
Clark (Former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, KSC/Cape canaveral, Florida 1958 to 1992
smoke weeeeed
Masonry is made up of many different people and different beliefs. Mason’s are taught that all men are equal (they meet upon the level). Individual thought and action, as well as morality and ethics are the concepts upon which Masons swear. The teachings are anathema to autocratic government. This is evident in this century when Masonry was outlawed by Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini.
Take time and go to a lodge and look around. If you don’t like one lodge, try another.
As for a New World Order, this was proposed by the representative of a non masonic order.
Ron Paul fills a similar role to Ross Perot. The difference is he has a great chance of winning. To be sure, all 4 are globalists, but Ron would have a tougher time stuffing his cabinet with obvious traitors. People can openly see the NWO happening now; vote for him and watch him try to reverse the tide he has created. The only way to make heads and tails of this is to read these people’s oaths; they are all devoted and sworn to Lucifer; they are Reprobates described in Romans 1 and they know God has given them up. Bohemians and Gypsies have been doing this sort of thing for 4500 years from Iran (Aryan) to Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Europe and now its our turn; the US will no be here long. It’s time to realize the Authorized Bible means what it says and will not change the slightest bit. Theresnothingnew.org/
Ron Paul wants to make only gold in hand suitable for currency.
Title to the gold reserves held in Fork Knox, formerly owned by the U.S., is now owned by the privately owned but communistically operated Bank of China, thanks be to the Marxist currency and debt frauds eminating from “our” Federal Reserve and “our” treaties with an NGO known as the Bank for International Settlements (both Marxist institutions).
Hmmm … let’s see …
1. due to a system of bank frauds, the “commies” own all the gold
2. R.P. says, “Let’s base our right to emit our own U.S. currency on [communist owned] gold reserves alone.
3. Hmmm … time to start reading Alexander Hamilton again, about issues of banking and sovereignty.
4. but R.P. says we should fractionize our banks, and leave them unprotected by their nation, making them easy pickings for the “Communist” [privately owned by Masons] People’s Bank of China.
Hmmm …
NOT a freemason. Just because he talked at this one university and has freemason family members and respects their beliefs, DOES NOT mean he is one.
Plus, freemasonry is fine up to the 33rd degree. I know many freemasons. It’s just a club where you can talk about your beliefs with your friends. Most people just go there to have a beer with some friends.
Once you can prove that Paul is a freemason and one above 33rd degree, then I will stop supporting him.
Jesus, really stupid story right here.
Until you all are able to walk alone you will continue to think in tribal group form. Trust me when I say ..people do not need people. I knew Ron Paul was a mere destraction all along. He is nothing more than false hope directed at the conspiracy, constitution, gun rights people.
Yet, Alex Jones and the like endorsed the crap out of him. Believe it or not the rulers can use well meaning people to spread disinfo and grow the lie without their knowledge. Mind Kontrol is very real & prevalent 24/7 and until you come to this realization you will always be a slave to all of it.
You have it within yourselves to unplug and deprogram from this illusion you call reality and most all of it is illusionary.
The rulers fear that you will find out some of these truths which is only the tip of knowledge. These rulers hope that you never discover your true power.
Suggestion:
Read this and know it by heart..let it sink into your being and know that it is what you are really up against.
http://www.premieres.com/news/game/page2.htm
I also suggest you watch the Matrix again because alot of it has many truths. There are some insiders that truly want you to break free of the illusion but they to are ruled by fear.
PJ,
My oaths were taken to God. If you want to know the other content, get a petition and join a local lodge. I have noticed above, when you have run out of lies and misconceptions that you attack people personally. That’s not good debating. I can see why you are not answering my call for a public debate. Your true colors would show once I had you cornered with truth and you starting attacking my character in front of a crowd and the media.
This is just more faulty logic and judgementalism used to arrive at half-baked conclusions. So who does the writer support? One of the 3 stooges? How about all the orgs. they’re in, eh? And I’m sure outsiders who don’t get it view RP supporters as “followers” however the RP camp is actually some of the most diverse freedom loving people left in this country. The idea that we would follow RP off a cliff is ridiculous. You can’t say the same for the statue quo. And people who always show up in the political arena to sidetrack issues with race or religion or fear, hatred or “nothing you can do” are the real shills for the NWO.
I booked an event for Ron Paul. He had no idea what would be on the wall behind him, and I did not check it for symbols that might send conspiracy theorists into a tizzy. I booked an available venue. Period. As for the JBS, I joined our local chapter because they are vocally fighting for our Constitution here. I don’t know or care who started them, or why anyone else joined, I seek the common GOOD in everyone. I have Mason relatives, too. They were good, hard working, average citizens. Stereotyping is no good, we all would do well to look at what people DO WITH THEIR LIVES than to judge them based on loose affiliation with any organization. Prove to me that Ron Paul has attended a secret meeting, or recently attended an open meeting, that he is actively involved, that he is in the inner circle – you can’t. We are both left to go on our best “gut feeling.” My gut says “Ron Paul is the only hope.” Perfect? No. I have to make the best choice from the available options, though. Sort of like booking a venue, I took the best option available regardless of symbols on the wall.
And real conservatives who have nothing but awe and respect for our system of government have our hands full with the basics. Here’s a primer for some of you conservative pretenders.
http://ronpaullibrary.org/
Of course if you agree with RP on everything you’re no good to anybody.
The only candidate worth anything is Ron Paul. I plan on writing him in.
As for this misinformation? You must work for the C.F.L, or the Bilderbergs bc you sure like to try to slander Ron Paul. Unfortunately for you, and your boyz, it won’t work, bc the movement is bigger than any one person.
Who knows, anyway, it may end up that Ron Paul is the only Republican left standing, when the DC Madam’s murder comes out, and it takes down McCain, in the process.
Meanwhile, go suck a rock.
“The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the Work of Jewish Brains, Jewish Dissastisfaction & Jewish Planning, whose goal is to create a New Order, in the world.
What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish Brains & Jewish planning, shall also, through the same mental & Physical forces, Become a reality all over the world.”
-American Hebrew, September 8, 1920
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“The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah.
It will attain World domination by the dissolution of other races…& by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship.
In this New World Order, the Children of Israel…will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition…”
-(Karl Marx to Baruch Levy, published Review de Paris, 6/1/1928, p. 574
I could more or less go along with PJ’s thesis up until this point:
“I disassociate myself from Commander Z’s comments. This is not about Jew bashing.”
That statement – it’s very simplicity, in fact – tells me all I need to know about PJ’s truth-seeking.
Bashing Masonic gentiles is safer than “Jew bashing.” Don’t believe it? Find yourself a street corner in your community (not the Internet) and try it sometime. Better yet, try it at work.
my aunt and uncle are in the masons and they do good work and give to good causes. They are a small outfit in NY with about 50 members and they have literally no pull in any politics. They were even denied tax credits on their building when they applied. Masons may have started off weird or even cultish but today they are just a group of people in local communities who have no clue even how they began and gives the older members a reason to leave their homes. Get over it.
Well this is all news to me, but I sometimes suspected Ron Paul would be a Freemason like any other politician, it’s almost a prerequisite to even be preselected. It’s really not much of a surprise to me, so I’m keeping an open mind on who and what Paul really might be.
Excellent points have been made, and I believe that Paul, like any elected official, should be held to scrutiny, despite the fact that I agree with many of the things he’s stated in articles and debates.
However, it’s been mentioned in this thread that because Paul hasn’t pissed off the establishment that much and the fact that he hasn’t been assassinated yet, it must mean that he’s “controlled opposition” or he’s just a mouthpiece to keep anti-NWOers happy and hopeful throughout the presidential campaign (as a distraction, perhaps), but I have to say that we shouldn’t forget the almost absolute media blackout that’s been inflicted on Paul. And let’s face it, Freemason or no Freemason, mainstream America isn’t interested in some smalltime Texas Congressman with some ideas about the war, the Fed and gold. The mainstream media didn’t even give him much airtime to bash him, they just ignored him.
What good is controlled opposition like Ron Paul if the mainstream media that the elites supposedly dominate, won’t even give him airtime?
LIVE THE PRINCIPLES OF FREEDOM IN OUR OWN LIVES!
Denouncing 911 truthers was the first red flag for me. The typical dumbed-down political rhetoric eminating from the RP campaign was the 2nd. Although this article is just speculative and allegations should not be made until actual facts are discovered, it is good that we should be kept on guard, especially considering that RP has been a part of this corrupt and filthy political system for 30 years. (I’ve always said to myself:”How does a decent and honest man exist for 30 years in the cesspool of DC.?”)
The thing I find most distressing about the RP campaign, is that it is spreading the usual message of doing something through the political system….as if saying that our freedom hinges on the election of champions who will change the system- when in fact, far more important is the ideal that everyone should practise the principles of freedom in their own personal lives and dealings- because ultimately, if the small percentage of Americans who are true patriots did that, it would do more to securte their own freedom and the freedom of others than attending political rallies and voting and registering as a Republican and participating in the system that enslaves us, and joining the “club”(party) that GWB and Cheney belong to!
I think everyone is doing the right thing by questioning everything but:
The freemason thing has scared people to no end for a long time. When you aren’t included in the club the natural inclination is to bang the door open by grouping together and instantly becoming a form of resistance. The truth is that everyone can become a mason, hockey player or rock star. It usually takes an over achiever to reach the top of anything, even at the burger shop.
You can thank a very threatened, paranoid pope for vilifying the masonic order(s). Rightfully so, his corporation was threatened by a premature release of bankrupting data. The church itself would have crumbled and the real sabbath day would have been restored rather fast.
I’ll go this far. Born in sin is one way of putting things but being guilty of even existing is more along the lines of our state of being. Apologize to God for existing and ask him to perfect you as if you were his direct creation.
The ‘elite’ source their candidates from a pool of beatified personalities from entertainment, business, politics and every other source. There was even once an actor who was president who was both equally loved as he was hated. Search around for his cigarette commercials if you want to laugh. The esoteric traditions do study geometry, cosmic influence, entanglement and tend to be run by males in most cases so testosterone does come into play from time to time. We are tribal by nature as half of our DNA dictates and so a hierarchy or a pack mentality is an obvious effect.
The NWO agenda isn’t all that bad either. Otherwise the solution to hunger in Africa is plain and simple. Get them out of the freaking desert already!
The awakening that is due is inconceivable but imagine our monkey side is stripped out leaving only the conscious spirit to govern our quirky bodies. Hate and all we are one.
Every soul that has been is about to be on earth simultaneously for at least the one day. Call it reincarnation or whatever but this population will continue to explode till THE DAY. We will be judged as a race of bastards who should never have been to begin with but were allowed to be and given a fair shot at proving worthy of the creator’s approval. Think about the FIERCE resistance to embryonic stem cell research.
We too can become creators right now, even years ago but in doing so we would be spitting in the face of God leaving another race that has to prove themselves worthy and are burdened with the simplicity of evil penetrating the ranks as God waits to see if they can iron out their flaws.
We are not what we would like to think we are.
Guilty for existing! Why do you think we’ve attached ourselves to prophets that serve as go betweens? God is not going to interfere till he had enough. He will separate the truly enlightened from the squabbling pack of fools and dispose of the fools like a beaker full of failure. From time to time our superiors / angels / creators attempt to give some advice in hopes it influences us to find and latch onto the idea that all privileged beings already know from birth.
We were created by outlaws that God once trusted. God was pissed but we were given an unfettered chance and we still continue to fail as expected. Enlighten yourself, detach yourself from the brainwashing you’ve been born into. Humanity is an EASY race to lead / overtake and to misalign. Guilty by even existing. In there you may now know why a pope can be so upset that his house of cards hasn’t even got a card if the ones who know let it be known. We are not supposed to be told our origins.
Praise God almighty, the most supreme being and only him.
He did flash that NWO sign, although I guess Texans get away with it.
He could be used to gather up all those who might fight them, via campaign donations etc.
I was in Panama when I first discovered that the NWO was indeed for real! At the end of my tour there back in 1987, USARSO(US Army South), or better known as the “Southern Command” was taking over for the regular established military command there on both sides of the canal. I asked my CW4 what was going on with all of this secretive change of command and his reply was this: The powers that are now in charge keep their faces hidden, which is how underground wars will be fought from now on globally! The days of wars like those of ww1&ww2 are a thing of the past. The american gov’t it seems has been taken hostage either by design or uncontrolable circumstance, but either way, I am leaving this man’s army, for I don’t like the direction in which it is headed.: End of quote..This same warrant officer went on to tell me that the world was going to be divided into 10 divisions for strategic purposes. So, how did this man know all of this before it became public knowledge years later? I dunno, but I do remember seeing Ron Paul and a few other dignitaries there for the change-over ceremonies at Ft. Clayton. Coincidence?? I don’t think so!
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm
PJ,
My oaths were taken to God.
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Matthew 5:
33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.
Ed,
Thank you for serving our country and defending our freedom. Are you 100% that RP was there, or is this smoke and mirrors?
Dominic John // May 13, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm
PJ,
My oaths were taken to God.
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Matthew 5:
33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.
?? What is the point of this. Did you not see that I took my oaths to Almighty God?????
Sadly my friends, the only definitive that politicians know is force. When are hands are forced, which side will you choose? The time is near for each of you to accept responsibility for yourself, stand up, and do what’s morally right. Fighting with words gets you nowhere.
Right on V.
Ephesians 6
The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Oh no say it ain’t so!!!!! lol
This is linked from the Jeff Rense site who has been championing Ron Paul, especially in featuring that all knowing Devvy Kidd who just had her 80 year old parents dump part of their savings in gold which is now bottoming out.
I respect most of the Ron Paul backers as being completely loyal to America, but PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND IN WHAT I HAVE BLOGGED ON OFTEN THAT THE GLOBALIST FINANCIERS FUND ALL TYPES and if you start interacting with these “leaders” you soon find out the great “expert” Dinesh D’Souza states he is not even a Conservative…….and he was championed by them.
I will repeat again. Ron Paul’s gold standard would make gold worth a billion dollars an ounce. That would only benefit Russia which hates America and make the Russian economy a super economy.
His foreign policy is completely inept as when tried before it brought on world wars in dragging America into them.
Now Devvy Kidd and the Paulites are flocking to the GOP convention attempting to destroy the GOP in bringing down John McCain, but as Kidd writes it will probably mean Newt will be chosen then.
The leaders of the Paulites are pure anarchists as they don’t care about Paul but only destroying things.
….and guess what with Hillary having done her job in weakening Obama and Obama with more skeletons in his closet than a gay madam, the DNC might choose Al Gore as he is the whale in waiting.
So Paul allows the GOP to be destroyed, leaving a destroyed DNC and only one world maniac cruising to the White House in Al Gore as was set up 2 years ago.
Americans have got to be more aware. Paul being outed as a Mason does not make him evil, but one has to wonder as “expert” as Ron Paul is just what on earth is this informed man in John Birch and still a Mason when their leadership is the secular sacred math force worshipped by the European and American orders.
The answer is obvious. Libertarians are being herded to be blamed for destroying the GOP just like Sharon the liberal destroyed the Likud Conservatives in the Israeli state.
None of this this an attack on Paulites, but Paulites show some reason and here comes Bob Barr taking votes again on his run.
Certainly John McCain is a liberal, but the correct venue is to make him put a real Conservative on the ticket and not do what the financiers have been planning all along in making Chavez in the White House………meaning a 23% vote getting kook because they have turned America into an Italian mob of fractured voters.
Stop backing Ron Mason Paul who will sell no whine before his time and start hammering John McCain to put a Conservative VP on the ticket and that does not mean leftist Huckabee.
Matthew 21: 42 – Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which [b]the builders[/b] rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Psalms 118 – 16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly. 17 I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD. 18 The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death. 19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD: 20 This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter. 21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation. 22 The stone which [b]the builders[/b] refused is become the head stone of the corner. 23 This is the LORD’s doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
Vigorous debate is good. I wish millions more in the USA and around the world did it.
I have to agree with you wil. Fortunately we can still do this in the States. I’m afraid if others from around the world were to partake, they may not fare so well.
Instead of bashing RP, expend a little energy protesting the Supreme Court of the US. They, alone, have the responsibility of protecting and defending the Constitution. Without exception, they (the members of same) have been remiss in their responsibilities. This, for over a hundred years… –jws
It is interesting to note that the title of his book includes the words Revolution and Manifesto, two terms closely associated with Marxist Socialism. A Trojan Horse Candidate perhaps?
Yea, I’m an idiot, PJ. You get a link on Rense and when clicked on, all we find are a couple of paragraphs on your Ron Paul/Freemasonry theory and a photograph of Ron Paul at Georgetown University (Yaaawn!). You couldn’t even muster up a decent essay to bolster your argument. It’s a complete waste of time. Let’s see: Barack Obama is the Antichrist, Hillary Clinton is a Reptilian Shapeshifter, John McCain is clinically insane, Ron Paul spoke at Georgetown and his daughters might be Rainbow Girls. Hmmm… eeny, meeny, miny, mo, PJ chooses???
Be careful. Have a look at what happened in South Africa. Pik Botha and F W de Klerk are also suspect 18 order masons. There is the small possibility that RP can be a plant to divide. Pull the realists into a group that will be small enough to be of no danger, but can be pin pointed. If you go into the Jesuite and free mason history you may see that their tactics have no moral guilt. All that matters is to further the cause, no matter what tools are used. To lie, kill and deceive is a small matter to them. The lower ranking members totally believe in the good “Christian” principal of the organization and are in the end, unknowing the biggest victims. But I am no expert, I just have to live with opened eyes in an destroyed country, counting the graves of my friends and family that gets more by the day.
I gave up on Ron Paul when I realized that irregardless of how decent he was as a candidate, its the masses of ignorant morons that are killing America and the world. Hinging their support on 911 or some other crap. Now the peasant masses want to throw this mason albatross around his neck. (moment for the sheep to stop baying)
So now the wretched proletariat masses go back to a fraudulent voting system with two fraudulent, criminal political parties. (pause for the sheep reading this to make another trip to the refrigerator)
I realized early on in life that the obstacles I would have to face wouldnt be neocons, jews, KKK, masons, media, terrorists, democrats or republicans, or our brutal police or fraudulent court/legal system. My greatest obstacle in life is every single stinking stupid one of you. (pause for more baying) You know who you are. The fat lazy loud mouth pieces of shit glued to your tv stuffing your fat asses with anything that will digest and taste like sugar. You know who you are, the parking lot gladiators who are real tough sitting behind a wheel with a cigarette in their mouth shouting profanities out a cracked window. You know who you are, the ones that have all the answers yet cant even balance a checkbook or who live paycheck to paycheck because they are too stupid to quit the addictions sucking on their bank accounts. You know who you are, the ones getting their orders from media programs that they claim not to watch. (pause for more baying of the sheep) When I encounter the masses of complete utter idiots coming out of universities or already sitting in positions of influence I just give up. Also to include those who dont go to university and who are just plain retarded.
Ron Paul doesnt need to compete with the other candidates,, his greatest obstacle is the 300 million trailer trash living in America.
Your ignorance is really showing. There are no higher degrees than the 33rd, which is honorary. Secondly, the Freemason gambit is a distraction from the real criminals here. If they can keep you asking the wrong questions, they do not have to worry about the answers. Keep tracking down RPs ties to the Freemasons and you will be doing their work, wasting your time looking in places where you will find nothing.
Miggy, before you go calling everyone an idiot, you really should brush up on the English language. There is no such word as “irregardless”, using it in your rant only makes YOU look like the stupid one.
To my eyes Ron Paul has been an obvious shill, from the very beginning, and it good to finally see that others are beginning to see this.
From one idiot to another, whom would you prefer for pres, Ron Paul or Rush Limbaugh? –jws
If our Constitution had legs do you think it could run for and win the presidency? –jws
Well, Joe, looks like you are going to have to choose between three pure idiots, McCain, Clinton or Obama. I don’t know which is worse, but all are far worse than Ron Paul. It is a moot point though, as RP will never get more than 1 – 2 %. How you can compare RP to Rush Limbaugh is the question. RP is a Constitutionalist, Rush is a Fascist.
George Washington was a freemason terrorist. If you dont like what he did for the country maybe the UK would be a good place to move. You can tell them all your BS all day long over tea and cookies. Meanwhile…on with the revolution!
When any court violates the clean and unambiguous language of the constitution, a fraud is perpetrated and no one is bound to obey it.” – State v. Sutton 63 Minn 167, 65 NW 262, 30 LRA 630
Absentee ballot voting produces actual hard copy–so at least a little less easy to change than noodling the computer files…if your area has electronic “voting.”
Everyone needs to be held accountable at all levels: a president will not save us. Have to go to county commission meetings, city council meetings, town hall meeting when hosted by Congressional Reps or Senators, or the state level Reps and Senators. Phone call their offices, e-mail, etc. I have seen changes made by a few motivated people–but it has to be an eternal process. Hold everyone’s feet to the fire.
I am weary of the Bilderberger and CFR commentators and analysts being trucked out on network “news” to spin opinions. George Stephanopoulos, Charles Krauthammer, David Gergen, Richard Haass, et al, ad nauseum…
The capstone aways gives us our leaders – this is why RP pulled the crap that he did with the 911 truth people. If he was one of us he would be beside us with the truth. But nay he just talks what we want to hear and leads us no where but loss of power. We need to restart the Anti-masonic party for with out this we have nothing. The Masons really do run us and we need to show people that those who give death oaths to unseen leaders are worthless.
“The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it’s enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.” “No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it.” 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177, late 2d, Sec 256
My point exactly re, RP and RL, Bill. Pretending We the People actually have a say in national elections, we must also pretend the candidates mean what they say. This being the case, Ron Paul stands head and shoulders over all other “ruiners”. It is only after someone is “elected” that we find if the truth was spoken. In most cases, it is then too late. The dominant reason being that it is the system that is corrupt, not necessarily the men who take office. Too many things have slipped past the Supreme Court for anything truly meaningful to come out of Washington in positive ways.
To fix the system we need men and women of vision. Do you know of any? –jws
Dan // May 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm
The capstone aways gives us our leaders – this is why RP pulled the crap that he did with the 911 truth people. If he was one of us he would be beside us with the truth. But nay he just talks what we want to hear and leads us no where but loss of power. We need to restart the Anti-masonic party for with out this we have nothing. The Masons really do run us and we need to show people that those who give death oaths to unseen leaders are worthless.
I can guarantee you. The Masons do not run the country and are not starting or participating in the NWO as a whole. We can’t even figure out whether to have chocolate or vanilla ice cream after a meeting….
Totalitarian world government, is not something that may happen someday, unless we vote for RP or whomever. It is already up and running.
This is something, which the wise have long known would occur, and such are certainly not fooled by the likes of Ron Paul. The very form of it, even the flavor of it and how and by whom it was established, have all long been anticipated and warned of.
That most are even still unaware that it is already established, is also not surprising, and that so many believe that it can be avoided or prevented, attests both to it’s power and the foolishness of mankind.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Totalitarian&x=28&y=13
To fix the system we need men and women of vision. Do you know of any? –jws
I know men of vision. A lot of them, kinda like the guys who founded America. The Freemasons.
Definition of jury nullification – the right of the jury to judge the validity and morality of the law as well as the facts under which a defendant is being tried.
Jurors should acquit, even against the judge’s instruction… if exercising their judgement with discretion and honesty they have a clear conviction the charge of the court is wrong. — Alexander Hamilton, 1804
It is not only the juror’s right, but his duty to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgement and conscience, though in direct opposition to the instruction of the court. –John Adams, 1771
I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution. — Thomas Jefferson, 1789
According to Stan Kubrick in his film ‘Eyes wide shut’, “Rainbow” and “girls” is where they train the next generation of sex sluts for the illuminati higher ups ..
Now we see that the Mason is out of the Bag. The vector/focal point of the Ron Paul revolution shows itself to be along the same lines as the other Masonic traditions that linked to the head of the Mason’s the Royalty of England/Germany/Europe.
We always have been weary of those who harp on the CONstitution, the illegal document that seized land in the name of racist colonialism from the original people who were there before the economic expansion of Royalty of Europe conquered the planet.
Why didn’t Paul put up a fight, even with most of the Grassroots non-masonic whites of America supporting him, in spite of MSM trashing of him and frauding him of election victories? Because masonry disallows for any mason to act independently outside of the structure of conformity.
Are all Masons are part of the New World Order? As planners, of course not… but as enthralled into the web of never having any independent actions outside of the Group, yes they are.
Any righteous removal of the forces of negativity cannot occur because masons, unlike pure people, cannot by their ritual, attack the core of negativity which is like a guard dog killing itself because it’s master is Hitler.
A mason will never be able to fight this until a mason trust that they can stand on their own and without the support of a corrupt group that takes good people and locks them into subordination of conformity. Ron Paul, regardless of all of his principals, suffered from this, just as Masons like Martin Luther King Jr. thinking that a ritualized person could change what the ritual he holds near/dear has made so without first renouncing that ritual first.
If Ron Paul would only change this one thing… by renouncing the secret society structure that we live in to champion an age where all cliques and clubs and sects and gangs are secondary to the value of the human being…. then his history wouldn’t matter. But because those who know the history of secret societies and the crimes under the guise of secrecy that have adversely affected those not in the secret society have dug up this info and apologists have come out to defend it.. (but not the accused mind you)…. and Paul himself is vague about it.
Talk is cheap
Would Ron Paul or any other Mason value the masonic secrets so much that he would keep them from his wife and kids? Is the ritual that powerful if we were to ask him about sharing and openness that we want from government that Paul couldn’t share some little esoteric ritual with people? If he can’t then, there isn’t much difference between he and Clinton, Bush I, Bush II, Nixon, or Washington.
What is Skull and Bones but a masonic type of organization? What is the Rhodes Scholarship but a masonic type of organization? What was Washington, the 9th/1st president of the stolen lands of America but a proponent of a (european) New World Order?
For those who are defending Masons are good.. ask your mason friends/relatives/ associates this:
“Hey… I would love for you to share with me in detail, all of the secret things you guys do…. y’know like the rituals. We’ve been friends/family for a long time and I feel that your secrets are a barrier between us.”
For those who take personally the attack on Freemasonry and other forms of secret societies:
Trust in the Human Family where we have no need of secrets from each other.
http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm
This whole country was created by masons. It is a fact. Open fact. If you are stupid enough to ask a person who is a player in this country if he is a mason, then you are stupid enough to be lied to. The Constitution and division of powers are all Masonic Inventions. Its called State Craft. Sheeple you are and remain.
I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution. — Thomas Jefferson, 1789
Is trial by jury a Masonic invention?
How about jury nullification, another Masonic invention?
Gold has no inherent value whatsoever, and Paul knows that.
There is nothing wrong with fractional reserve banking, if you are the one who is doing the printing, ask Mr. Red Sheild, and Paul knows that too.
Solution is vigorously nationalistic countries each printing their own funny money. International trade is where the real value of your funny money is judged and subject to independent evaluation.
Credit is necessary to promote growth. What is not necessary is that this credit be issued by a bunch of Vampires in England to Americans.
Every time you hear a gavel in a court room, you may very well be hearing the influence of the Masons. As far as sharing the ritual, why should I share something I worked hard to learn, with someone like you who thinks you are entitled to it?
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
Demonizing Masons is not going to work with me. Simply because most of the founders of this country were Masons, as was my great-grandfather’s brother (and possibly other family members). Considering the great document these supposed world conquerors gave us, I would have to support the Masons. There was a recent documentary on about some of their rituals and they don’t offend me. Someone, however, wants us all to think they are a horrible group that are hiding vile information from us. Grow up.
This is very interesting, in light of the comment I read on Lew Rockwell’s blog, which linked to a CFR magazine website article on Ron Paul and his positions on various issues, foreign and domestic. You have to go to http://www.lewrockwell.com and search their blog entries for this: the CFR on Ron Paul. Here is my point: why would the CFR have an article on Ron Paul UNLESS Paul was a closet CFR member? I used to be a Ron Paul supporter as well who couldn’t wait to vote for him in the Texas primary…but I didn’t. I have reached the conclusion that Ron Paul is probably too good to be true; however, if he really was a threat to THEM, he would have been assassinated a long time ago.
http://www.somethinghappeninghere.net
Any man can join Masonry, but it isn’t for every man.
Anyone here have boys in the Boy Scouts? If you’re anti Masonic, you may want to yank them, because we sponsor a lot of troops, and some of their ritual is derived from Masonic ritual. We also sponsor little league teams…you haters need to wake up. Lodges have Friends night, where you’re welcome to show up and take a look around, and learn about the REAL Masonry. I challenge you to try it instead of hiding behind your computer. Is anyone going to have this public debate with me?
First Chief Justice of the US John Jay wrote: “It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand, presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still both objects are within your power of decision? you [juries] have a right to take it upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy”.State Of Georgia v. Brailsford, 3 U.S. 1,4 (1794).
There is nothing wrong with the Document, Frances.
The problem is that We the Sheeple are NOT a party to that ‘contract’. That document is regarding the division of societal power amongst the power players, not the sheeple.
Which is precisely why there is a group that mediates between the already exclusive primary system to actually cast votes in the private interparty field. That is the delegation from the politically active sheeple to the party member.
Then there are the effective Regime governing the Congress — most of the Rules are set by the two parties. Sheeple are not consulted.
As I said Frances, “remain”.
All power belongs to the sheeple and jury nullification will bring the real revolution this great republic longs for.
The other three branches are powerless in the presence of informed sheeple.
There is a factual book copywrited by Arkon Daraul in 1961 titled, A History of Secret Socities, ISBN 0-8065-0857-4, for those interested in such things.
Then there is the fictional version (which I prefer) titled, The Iluminati Trilogy, written by Robert Anton Wilson and another person. They were both on acid when they wrote the books. They are guaranteed to stun, amase and enlighten anyone who reads them. Only the strong of heart should read them. Just a friendly warning… –jws
Joseph W. Schultz // May 13, 2008 at 6:49 pm
There is a factual book copywrited by Arkon Daraul in 1961 titled, A History of Secret Socities, ISBN 0-8065-0857-4, for those interested in such things.
I can’t prove that it isn’t factual, but how can you prove that it is?
lloyd Clinton, did you know that most of the men who defended the Alamo were Masons? –jws
No I did not, but will file that away for research. I am a Mason and proud of it. People need to wake up and realize that we aren’t the problem. Can I call you Joe? You seem informed and intelligent, have you ever looked at joining the Fraternity?
“I can’t prove that it isn’t factual, but how can you prove that it is?”
Interesting statement. I suppose everything should be considered fiction until proven otherwise. So much for formal education! –jws
The Trilogy is a Mind Fuck. It is a Magik text as they disclose in the end.
Do not read it. Or if you must, don’t read along the magic chants in the book.
Thanks for the offer, Lloyd. Others have invited me to be accepted into the Masons (my brother is a 33 degree Mason) but I am not qualified. One must believe in a higher power to be a Mason. –jws
Robert Anton Wilson was a “discordian” apologist for Aleister Crowley. His goal was not to inform, but to “stun and amaze”, lead people down the primrose path, but not to wake people up. Only fools and the spiritually corrupt enjoy his books JWS.
Draw a Circle around yourself, while affirming that God IS ONE and the True King.
Then sit back and watch the illuminati burn in hell for ever …
The Owners of this plantation have left signs all over for the training of the next generations.
A few points are made. Key point is this: The common man is not intellectually equipped to bother with matters of State Craft. The open signs are there to point out to the rising protoge (like Clinton) or scion (like George). “We are doing this in the open and they still do not get it”. Point is made.
Its a good point …
Baseball is a metaphor for the political system of the State.
The plan of the field is the Compass and Square. The pitcher is “G”.
The field is a truncated pyramid (in section) and where the pitcher (G) is , like the dollar sign, is an empty space.
The Reds and the Blues line up and they play ball.
The illusion is that the man on the mound is throwing the pitch but its really “G” that is doing the throwing.
The business of the Game is the actual State Craft. The entertainment, that is for the “Greek Chorous” …
So, this ‘article’ is supposed to be part of the ‘news’ in the name Aftermath News? It’s complete speculative garbage. Essentially, your article was based on a comment left at Daily Paul, by someone whose identity you are absolutely uncertain of. Yet, this alone is enough for you to be 90% certain that not only is Ron Paul a mason but “33rd degree or above.” Oh wait, the page now says “Access Denied,” there’s proof!
You’re unrelenting search for the truth didn’t even lead you to do a Google search on “Liberty Oak Ranch.” Tootired had to do this bit of what you termed “sleuthing.” A Google search, click on first link. I wonder when your quest for the truth would have led you to do that particular bit of sluething yourself… What a joke. The only facts this ‘news’ presents are the facts that you are a shitty investigator and you believe what you want to based on ridiculously thin evidence. And I’m being incredibly generous with the term evidence.
JWS, it’s too bad that you don’t meet that 1 qualification.. otherwise you would make a great member!
PJ,
Didn’t you say you weren’t Christian earlier (i’m not saying you did or didn’t, just trying to reaffirm). In whom do you put your trust PJ?
Brigitt, you must have read the Trilogy. Personally, I thought it was the funniest set of books I ever read. I’ve studied occultism for over sixty years and the only ones it will harm are those with weak constitutions. Some say knowledge is power. I say knowledge is tedious! ;-) –jws
The lower level initiate to the “mysteries” is lied to.
It is even stated publicly that deception is used in the lower levels.
Stop and think (try it ..) and ask yourself:
Just what sort of long standing order would groom its rising members through a process that is openly declared to be a Mind Fuck?
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JWS:
Be warned, then clearly, it is said: “With Knowledge Comes Responsibility”.
That is the catch. Play ball with the devil and … singe ..
Brigitt,
Do you know what the G actually stands for in the Square and Compass? It’s stands for 2 things. God and Geometry.
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm
The lower level initiate to the “mysteries” is lied to.
It is even stated publicly that deception is used in the lower levels.
Where do you get this evidence?
Thanks, Lloyd. The only organization I ever belonged to was the Boy Scouts (I was an Eagle Scout).
On the other hand, I have a world view that would frighten many. That is, those who have some idea of what that view is. ;-) –jws
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Alright, time is up.
The lower level initiate, generally a self confident member of society, a man of ability and self righteous morals, a “believer in a Higher Power” …, etc., is put through the steps.
At a key point in the process, the member, if designated worthy of further integration, will be shown his errors in judgment.
Again (here) the person’s self regard is used against them. (Its a lesson for the higher level initiates ..) They become convinced, based on their own experience, that the individual can never reach correct conclusions in isolation, and, lack of Knowledge can distort understanding.
Proof is the process that they went through.
Now, the initiate is sympathetic to the notion that the sheeple should NEVER be given a say in matters of Life and Death: State Craft. (That is why danger is a key element of the initiation, amongst other reasons ..)
So they point is that, regardless of the stated ideals, it is an order that asserts the utility of the LIE.
Read John 8:44
A poster has given away the ultimate secret to the societies and hasn’t been acknowledged even once. I couldn’t even hazard a guess as to how many times I’ve seen the truth in the face of the conspiratorial minded and completely overlooked. That is why most here are in ruts. There just isn’t much to the riddle all the way up the masonic ladder. There was once a time that silly people would think golf courses were -the- place to be to hook business. That is, until women started to play.
Geometry is the Formal Approach to “Measure” “Truth”.
Masons are Luciferians that believe Knowledge is Power. They are Rebels against The Almighty King.
The whole point of this plane of existence for “G-D” to PROVE that there are Limits to both the Knowledge that you can gain, and the Power that you can wield in Applying it …
Who Raises the Dead from Slumber?
Anubis has Asked a Question, o thou Princes of the Earth …
Brigitt, I prefer to think, with freedom comes responsibility. Many think freedom means license. Knowledge is necessary only if it is used with a sense of humor and a grain of salt. ;-) –jws
Gim: You sound like you’ve studied in the rosicrucian order. Those guys are well beyond the comprehension of the conventional masons, who don’t go that deep into the ancient mysteries and the origins and are orders of magnitude more secretive than typical masonic rites. That being the case, don’t you fear spilling the beans? (so-to-speak)
Brigitt,
You are way off base. If what you say is true, then why do we invoke the blessing of Deity in the opening and closing of our Lodges? With some of the arguments you make, it is very tough for me to restrain and not attack you personally like PJ does when he is frustrated, but I will not go there. Read some of the freely available ritual on the internet and you’ll understand why we aren’t the haters. It’s because we don’t come down on people for their beliefs, but come together from all creeds, religions, etc for the betterment of mankind.
You see, Brigitt, I think, if there is a God, that God is an evil creature. He even admits to creating *evil in the book you like to quote. Look at Isaiah 45:7 if you don’t believe me. Why would anyone believe in a God who admits to creating evil? –jws
*Some bibles replace the word “evil” with “calamity”. But the root word is “evil” in spite of the white-wash.
Didn’t “gim” already answer that for you?
According to what gim has been told — an idea also being pushed in books such as the newly recovered gospel of Judas — is that the creator of Adam is not The GOD, but the Devil. This was an error on the bad bad devil’s part, due to pride and hubris: “I too can create”. This sect then hold the Devil to be the ‘god of Earth’. “The Trickster God”.
It all comes down to this question: Do believe in Revelation from God, or do you not? If you don’t, you can join gim’s club.
If you do, you can ask yourself if you are worthy of even approaching it, much less interpreting what HE IS Saying …
Btw, the Pope’s Red Shoes … are they Prada, by any chance?
Brigitt is correct somewhat in her reflection on reversals in Masonic teachings. But not as she noted. When one is fully innitiated into Masonry (and similar societies), Golden Dawn, O.T.O., etal, he is crucified (ritually) on the “tree of life” — Minutum Mundum — and the pillar of mercy then resides to the left and the pillar of justice resides at the right of his enlightened body. The pillar of knowledge still remains the back bone of said tree.
It is not occultism that spreads falsehoods, per se. It is the various cults of Christianity that amply does that job. ;-)
Enter now all manner of slings and arrows for saying this! ;-) –jws
This has got to be the most pathetically misdirective thread on a topic I’ve ever read.
Go ahead guys – don’t debate the issues, just bicker about what one person that has an opinion on them may or may not be.
What the results of your belief in those issues actually accomplish don’t matter, but that one guy – he matters…oh he matters.
I mean, it’s not like any of us that are over 35 and American citizens could run for President – it has to be that one guy, and we have to have this stupid heresay debate about something none of us know anything positive about (let alone actually studied outside of gossip and rumor).
So I guess you guys are the paranoids of the former Ron Paul supporters – glad we finally got rid of you.
Have fun!
– xTo
(p.s. – “They” are still gonna get ya…look, they got you running scared!)
roflmfao.
Lighten up, xTo. Get off of the floor and add your true feelings right here on this forum. You might even say something that people will be quoting for years to come. Is “roflmao” original or did you see it somewhere else? ;-) –jws
I live in Lake Jackson…3 miles from the Paul family’s little house…..I can swear to everybody here…HE IS NO FREE MASON…my sister teaches his grandkids gymnastics for Christ’s sake….They are some of the best people I have ever known….going back 20 years. RELAX people
keep an open mind…just not so open all your brains fall out.
Since George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were freemasons also, I fail to see the relevance of whether Mr. Paul is a mason, unless you are saying that the Republic has been luciferian for over 200 years, inwhich case we may as well throw in the towel now.
Some masons are into the occult, others are not. Some masons are Christians, others are not.
I was at a gathering in the Scottish Consistory in south Jersey a few years back, and they all (grey haired men and blue haired ladies) sang “I Serve a Risen Savior”, complete with the words, “He lives! He lives! Christ Jesus lives today!”
I’m sorry, but you just can’t convince me that those folks are busy worshiping satan in their spare time.
What I see in Ron Paul by his voting record is integrity. That is enough for me, without absurd speculations based on such ridiculous items as Mr. Paul using the American Sign Language sign for “I love you” and claiming that it is satanic. Are you folk insane?
I agree with the above poster. Don’t let your brains fall out.
There is nothing hearsay about the Masonic Elite.
Not so happy about your ‘lone strong man’ theory either.
Poster about juries has the right idea, people power, but the issue is where the rubber meets the road, the said rubber having been heavily indoctrinated in statist ideology … aka we deserve what we are …
L Clinton: I don’t care if you attack me personally. I don’t care what a secret society publishes publicly. Stupid.
Issue is not “hate” issue is LIES. To not hate is not the same thing as to Love.
Love and LIES do not mix.
LIES in “service” of a “higher good”.
Stupid. Very stupid. John 8:44.
Are any of us God Fearing?
Proverbs 8-13
To be is to hate all evil, in yourself first of course, and then the world. Evil is described: Pride and Arrogance listed as first.
Lloyd Clinton // May 13, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Brigitt // May 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm
The lower level initiate to the “mysteries” is lied to.
It is even stated publicly that deception is used in the lower levels.
Where do you get this evidence?
From Albert Pike’s “Morals & Dogma”:
“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.”
kuk,
Right!
5 Smooth Stones,
I would rather live next to a known convict who doesn’t deny his crimes, than next to a “pillar of society” who has a squeaky clean image and yet is up to shady business behind the people’s backs.
But I never said for sure that I could prove anything about Ron Paul other than some suspicious connections that frankly begin to add up to something worth worrying about. I suspected he was involved in the Masonic conspiracy and I had reason to suspect it. I did not just pull all this out of thin air, and I certainly did not have an agenda to bring Ron Paul down. I found some problems with him and I decided to share them with you the public for the purpose of free and open discussion and in hopes that these questions could get settled.
And I think it is bearing fruit. I find that I am not alone in my concerns, but that the vast majority of people are corrupt and controlled and so do not want this type of information to escape and so hate me and ridicule me for it. So be it. The information about Ron Paul is slowly but surely coming together and I predict a more complete picture of his involvement in the Masonic conspiracy is soon to emerge.
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I am 110% with 100percenttruth
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Rob,
I agree with you. Too good to be true. I certainly wanted to believe in RP because after all he was “our only hope”, but I have been conned before, so I have this ability to catch myself before it’s too late and change course to avert danger.
And yes, there is this lie perpetuated to us that makes presidential politics the be-all and end-all which actually takes us out of our independence and makes us very dependent on the political savior figure who represents the all-powerful central government which today is worshipped as a god.
Lasher and insight,
All this BS about “good freemasons” does not wash with me. The organization is corrupt from it’s foundations. If you serve it, you serve evil, no matter how “good” you appear to be. So forget that argument. It is just more Masonic baloney.
THE TAS,
I think you are right. A real dissident would never have gotten into the debates in the first place or especially not get the accolades that he has got from a number of mainstream talking heads. And we know that the Illuminati have already picked the next selectee and are carefully managing this bread and circus freak show for public consumption. As they normally do, once the people get sick and tired of having one party in power for eight years, they swing us back to the other side of the dialectic and like tacking a sailboat, we are taken on a zig-zag course straight into storm that will lay this country in ruins. Both parties and both ends of the spectrum are working together for the NWO system.
Jerry,
You are just another pod-person. Wake up.
Howard Ratcliffe,
The King James Bible was written up by a Rosicrucian court. The whole of our culture and religion has been set up and maintained by the occult theocracy of Illuminati, Masons, etc. This is the real Matrix which is cultural, religious and governmental. The high-tech aspect is just one more layering of control, the icing on the cake. We have already been under control and used as slaves to build up this system for a very long time. We went along with it and built our own prison. Understanding this Matrix system and gradually disconnecting from it is to escape their control. That is the true freedom.
goldie locks,
Marx and Engels were both masons. Marx was paid by the London elite to pen his name to a doctrine they set up for more control. Communism is just another way to herd the sheep. Skull and Bones funded Lenin and the Bolshevik Revolution. They funded Freemason Stalin and Mao. Then they built up Communist China and sold our country out to them. This is the New World Order that the Illuminati have envisioned for probably thousands of years, a global government under complete control. It is all Masonic at the top. Communism is just another one of their tools.
prometheus2012rising,
I agree. Walk and stand alone. Be an individual. Think for yourself. Think original thoughts or try to. Don’t worry about what others say, do or think. Just tell the truth and be as honest with yourself as you can. This takes a certain amount of trust and courage.
I have taken more heat from this one than from my exposure of the Knights of Malta, but I am not sorry for it and don’t regret it. I was surprised at how many people are controlled by the Masonic con-job, but I guess I shouldn’t have been.
As for your link, I glanced through it and looks pretty weird to me, like a number of mysterious New Agey manifestos floating around.
Lloyd Clinton,
Oh Lloyd, Lloyd, if you want to know what it is to be attacked on a daily basis, come live in my shoes awhile. I do get frustrated by individuals who both cling to lies and promote them here, so I guess I do lose my cool and state what I am feeling in the moment. At any rate, if you don’t like it, I suggest you don’t come here anymore. Nobody is forcing you to read these comments.
And you say:
“Every time you hear a gavel in a court room, you may very well be hearing the influence of the Masons. As far as sharing the ritual, why should I share something I worked hard to learn, with someone like you who thinks you are entitled to it?”
admitting our whole system is Masonic and therefore run by masons in the courts, the government, the military and industry etc. Then you show your true elitism in your comments about your “higher education” in the lodge, which is a well-kept secret.
As for taking oaths in a Masonic temple to your Baphomet God Lucifer, I guess that is your affair.
Cornered,
My gut tells me that Ron Paul is a crypto-freemason and is serving the New World Order system, regardless of his political rhetoric to the contrary. I have a right to say it here and nobody is going to stop me from saying it.
Katz,
I have absolutely zilch to do with CFR, Bilderberg or any other organization, period. In fact, I spend much of my life exposing them and warning people about their nefarious agendas.
I am just an individual who once supported Ron Paul, had my doubts, then withdrew my support and voiced my observations here on this blog. There is nothing more to it than that.
You are welcome to disagree, but use your head for a minute. Why would someone in the masonically controlled establishment want to out one of their own members as a mason? It is without precedent and it makes no sense whatsoever.
GT,
I’ll bash anyone I please if they are working for the New World Order. I do bash elite Jewish Zionists like the Rothschilds and Masonic Gentiles alike, but to cast aspersions on an entire race, no you won’t get me to do that. Sorry.
I mean all the things you people are accusing me of are nothing but fabrications, not just you GT, but pretty much everybody who is trying to cut me down or paint me as a traitor. It is nothing but lies and chaos.
I never said I was perfect, but I am sharing the truth as I see it, the best way I can as an antidote to the web of lies that we all unfortunately live under.
Drax,
RP has been on every major radio show, every major TV news network and on every major TV talk show from morning to late night TV and has even been endorsed or applauded by some of the biggest names in the media and entertainment industry. So please don’t tell me about this phony “media blackout”.
Again, my gut tells me that this is just a sign that he has been allowed to say what he says because he is approved for these messages, up to a point. And he may even get the Republican nomination, but every presidential race is rigged to begin with, so to think they would allow a truly independent leader to shut down the New World Order system is ludicrous. They are putting in a Democrat to work the other side of the dialectic for awhile and that is that.
Richiemagoo,
I felt the same way like a slap upside my head when RP said 9/11 Inside Job was just a crazy conspiracy theory. He could have at least said that there were unanswered questions, and something suspicious about it, but he didn’t.
And yes, a squeaky clean congressman for decades? I always had my doubts about that, even though I felt that I had to support him for awhile because he was the only straw to grasp. Yeah I nearly re-registered Republican from Libertarian just so I could vote for RP, but I am now glad I didn’t.
Gim,
The elite are all Masons. The Grand Lodge of England is controlled by British Royalty who are also Knights of Malta and Knights of the Garter. It is all Masonic, that is based in the Kabbalah and Egyptian mysteries, etc. The Church is also Masonic in the Rosicrucian vein. Look at the symbols on the wall behind RP in the Catholic Jesuit Georgetown U. It is all Masonic. Catholics at the highest levels of cardinals and bishops can and do become Freemasons and hang out with Freemasons. But the Papal bulls to the contrary are just official notices for public consumption. The Templars protected the Church and then became the Freemasons. The Knights of Malta took over the Templars role and their symbolism is also Masonic and Rosicrucian. These are the Illuminati bloodlines playing games with your head for centuries. I also believe there is a lodge in the Vatican called the Ekklesia Lodge, but I have not been able to confirm it yet. We shall see.
And “The NWO agenda isn’t all that bad either.”???? Where are you coming from dude?
Ed from the Army,
The plan is to have top brass and soldiers brainchipped so that a General in a bunker with Cheney or Obama for that matter, can direct orders directly from his brain into the brains of robotic “Iron Men” soldiers anywhere on Earth.
WWI and II were staged and fought to reorder the world geopolitically. Thus the League of Nations and the UN were born as steps to global government. Evry war since was staged on false pretexts to further the agenda along.
Can you tell us anymore about Ron Paul at Ft Clayton and can you elaborate on what you think it means? Thanks
Lame Cherry,
I am with you on the fact that most RP supporters are well-intentioned, freedom-loving Americans. It is just that when somebody shows them something that casts suspicion on their candidate, they tend to turn a blind eye to it, “for the greater good” or some such.
Mikey,
When I get time, I will write an essay for you. Okay? Meantime quit with the BS about shapeshifting reptiles, which proves that you are just here to trash the discussion, create chaos and not to debate on the issue of freemasonry in govt.
Dan,
Not a bad idea.
Natasha,
Right, the Matrix was already in place before any of us were born. It is cultural, religious, commercial and governmental. The high-tech surveillance grid is just the icing on the cake for the final global control. Enough of us breaking free of this matrix system mentally and otherwise is the only way towards a free society. But you have to fight for that and frankly most people either don’t want to fight or they don’t have a clue as to who the Enemy is. The Illuminati going way back into antiquity.
JWS,
Robert Anton Wilson was a “discordian” apologist for Aleister Crowley. His goal was not to inform, but to “stun and amaze”, lead people down the primrose path, but not to wake people up. Only fools and the spiritually corrupt enjoy his books JWS.
Dachsie
You sound like a good person, but in my opinion you are being controlled, though you don’t intentionally want that. Therefore you wait for some day in the future when “redemption draweth nigh” which is ultimately a cop-out, or should I say an “opt-out” of having to do anything to make the world a better place for future generations. This is where the Illuminati (who originated in the mists of antiquity) have most of the world’s population by the balls with the knife of eternal damnation held to their throats. Religion is the oldest con-game in the world, so you are obviously not alone in your belief. I only wish that you could see that religion was created for the purpose of control from the very beginning so it is not of matter of “infiltration” any more than the Mafia was “infiltrated” by criminals. It was set up by the elite esoteric wolves to control the commonor exoteric sheep and that is all. Jesus, the Fish (Pisces) is to return, but only as the next age on the zodiac wheel, Aquarius. That’s the illuminist Masonic cabalist joke and that is what you are waiting for, though you were told it was a man-god who was coming to save you. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is the biggest conjob in the world. I beg people to free their minds, but don’t listen to me. Just open your mind and do research until the pieces start coming together, and then continue to research to deepen your understanding. Think for yourself.
To pjwalker911,
How refreshing to see someone like you, who has a complete understanding of the dangers of Freemasonry, and the New World Order. I am so pleased to read all of your posts. The highest levels of the Freemasons, for example have a special word for the manner in which they seek to to deceive and mislead not only the “profane” (you and me) but the vast majority of fellow Masons. That word is hoodwink. It is defined as the effort put forth by the lying men at the top echelons to keep lower level members in darkness. In the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, editor Dr. Albert Mackey, 33rd degree mason, and former Sovereign Grand Commander, claims that secrecy, silence, and deceit-in other words, hoodwink, is an absolute necessity so that, the mysteries of our art should be preserved. All of the above information comes from an expert on Freemasonry, and Illuminati, Mr. Texe Marrs. If anyone has any doubts about the above, please read the excellent book by Mr. Marrs titled “Codex Magica”. You can take the info found in this fantastic book to the bank. Another great source of info regarding Freemasonry can found by doing a search for Walter Veith. Freemasonry is Satanic. You don’t have to do a whole lot of research to prove this. Please wake up everyone, Satan wants total control, and he will have it if you let him.
Allen Wood,
Knowing the Masonic Matrix requires the ability to discern truth from fiction and we are required to sift the truth from a wide variety of sources including those we don’t particularly like. And then how far down the rabbit hole are we prepared to go to uncover this system and expose it on all levels? That depends on a person’s commitment to the truth above any form of deception. And it is this deception that thhe Masonic Matrix relies on to function and exist and carry through its diabolical agendas down through the centuries.
*rollseyes*
As I said above, good riddance.
Joseph Schultz: Those are my true feelings. Seriously – if people speculate on heresay so much about what organization x person belongs to, regardless of his past history, voting record, integrity, etc. then I say “good riddance they’re gone.”
Fact of the matter is, so long as we’re going to stay off-topic like this thread so graciously displays, we might as well go up to DC now and beg to get chipped, because we’re wasting our time bickering over stupid shit while the assholes in DC are passing the legislation to do everything that’s driving us nuts.
Then again, that’s what this poster counted on…and the people that fell for it are the paranoids that hear the word “Mason” and freak out and run.
Good riddance – they weren’t worth it in the first place; they were bound to be freaked out and run because of something eventually because they obviously don’t know how to trust other people in any capacity, and are thus prone to believe anything they hear.
Ron Paul’s been honest – he told y’all that this is gonna be a war. It’s too bad that you guys expect the weapons to be guns and knives rather than words.
This is a quiet war, you fools – the weapons are your words.
– xTo
P.s. – “Rofl Mao” is my dog’s name. It stands for “Rolling On the Floor Laughing My Ass Off” and it is by no means original, nor did I claim it to be. “roflmfao” is what I wrote, and it’s the same thing with an addition of “Fucking.” It is also, by no means, original, although I did not claim originality with it, either.
Never forget: the populace’s belief in any given concept is directly a product of how verifiable the information they have been told is, and how much it’s been repeated.
BeliefInConcept = Verifiability * Repetition
If I repeat it enough, you’ll believe it.
If I tell you something that is easily verifiable, you’ll believe it even if I only tell it to you once.
If I mix and match a little bit of each, you’ll believe it, so long as I make it either just convoluted enough that you can’t easily verify it, or I repeat it enough that verifying it would take too much of your time.
– xTo
I voted for Ron Paul and I had to hold my nose to do it. I voted to end the war, but he will not rein in global corporations one bit. He is a corporations wet dream, no controls, no min. wage, no safety net. Hey look at China in this quake, building standards as good as their toasters. See huge slabs of concrete with no metal inside. Now you got 18,000 people trapped. What would Ron Paul say…”oh well”
no thanks
I’ve gotten more truth from Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader than I have from Ron Paul. He is tied to the Jesuits, praises the Vatican, and for more than 20 years been leading real patriots and truth seekers down the garden path.
We don’t need a Ron Paul in the first place. We need the Lord. And possibly we need to start a national Town Hall type movement where local groups meet to discuss the oil barons robbing us blind and other topics. Congress will never do anything for this country other than mouth a few platitudes and collect their huge paychecks.
I have asked repeatedly whether my congressman will be having any town hall meetings prior to the election. Of course not. Why should he/she want to answer hard questions about banking, oil, or chemtrails. We need to start talking amongst ourselves – for free – in open town hall meetings about what we need to do about our national decline.
The metings alone would disturb the permanent cocktail circuit mindset in DC. It is the only way to get their attention. The Ron Pauls of the world are there to give us false hope. I believe he is a Mason as well. Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader have more to say about what’s really going on that Dr. Paul. He has said too many odd things that just don’t compute.
the attitude of the above calling people “paranoids” is why I don’t bother even talking to the majority of RP supporters anymore. Because they have not done the research, the truth is classified as mental illness in their eyes. Truly, those people who have been told the truth and still ridicule it are worse than the MSM flunky zombies who haven’t heard it at all.
Good riddance to you, too. By all means, continue to insult the real patriots and truth-seekers. I have no doubt that this plan of theirs will not be secret forever. And I doubt there will be many of us to say “I told you so” (not that we ever would, we just want YOU to wake up not any personal glory) because by the time it goes public, they’ll round us “troublemakers” up to the cheers of all the brainwashed fools. Well, they won’t stop with us, I guarantee that.
This is life and death people, and just because you didn’t do the research and fact-finding doesn’t mean you can hide from it forever.
There is a side to R. Paul that is creepy, odd and cold. I guess now we know what it is.
and p.s. – godlikeproductions? As a source of info on any topic???? Give me a break. Only the really duped and confused trust anything on that posting site. It is THICK with rogue intelligence lurkers and posters. In short it is both a “mousetrap” and disinformation site.
I agree GLP is an absolute cesspit psyop. They delete anything too dangerous and hoaxes spread faster than wildfires. The owners are run by the Tavistock Institue (worldwide cointelpro) and are traced to a spyware company.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND staying away from there.
Stefan,
Thanks for posting that Google cache on the original post from “Oak”. Here is the uncut version:
Warning! Ron Paul is a Freemason!
Posted April 21st, 2008 by Svens Son
In another thread, I was discussing my disgust with the freemason, and how their secrets do affect each community, as their symbols are everywhere in every town.
I said I wouldn’t post anymore. But I’m breaking my promise. Because Ron Paul broke his promise to me. He never told us he was involved with the freemasons, which many of us do not like, and would have never supported him if we had known.
I feel cheated and lied to by Ron Paul.
Here’s the quote
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Liberty Oak Ranch
Quit using Ron Paul as a forum for your bigotted beliefs. You don’t know anything about him or his ideals obviously. You also know nothing about the Freemason or Eastern Star organizations.
1. Ron Paul’s father was a Freemason and Dr. Paul has said himself many times that he respects the organization and has been to many of the open meetings in his district. I should know, I was his scheduler for ten years.
2. His wife, Carol is a member of the Velasco Order of the Eastern Star and maintains her membership in the Freeport area lodge.
3. Their daughters, Lori and Joy, were both Rainbow girls, another organization associated with Freemasonry.
Your hatefilled retoric regarding a benevolent, Biblically based organization is likened to those who have a fear of the unknown. It spawns lies and hate toward those who are innocent and have done good for others. Just try taking your child to the Shriner’s burn or crippled childrens hospital. They will take care of your child regardless of your ignorance and will do it free of charge. How many people has your paranoia helped?
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http://www.dailypaul.com/…
For a woman to get into the Order of the Eastern Star, her husband MUST be a mason.
So we have Obama as a Prince Hall Mason, Hillary as an Eastern Star, Ron Paul most likely a member of the Scottish Rite, with his buddy Judge Jack Hightower, and the Nafta crew.
John McCain has been raised in the military, so doesn’t know what it’s like to have a real job. We are all screwed. Time to get pissed America.
Sorry manystrom, I liked your site, but I can no longer be a Ron Paul supporter.
But I’ve posted this info all over the internet. People need the truth, not a pack of lies.
Read up about the Order of the Eastern Star, and how the subliminally manipulate people into worshipping satan
http://www.chick.com/bc/1…
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http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gkJoLnbPoYoJ:www.dailypaul.com/node/46429+Quit+using+Ron+Paul+as+a+forum+for+your+bigotted+beliefs.+You+don’t+know+anything+about+him+or+his+ideals+obviously+site:dailypaul.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
I have become thoroughly pissed off at Ron Paul, and feel betrayed by him since he has not done a damn thing to fight the voter fraud nationwide.
I donated all of the money I could spare to his campaign, but am in the process of removing his campaign stickers from my cars and have left the meetup group.
I now plan to vote for Chuck Baldwin, since I can not vote for any of the other three despots in good faith. I couldn’t sleep at night if I did so.
Regardless as to whom is elected to any political office, it’s time the People stood up and exercised both their proactive and reactive Collective Sovereign authority over their governments – and not just America. This would be great if it included most if not all countries around the world.
Please read: http://www.upbyron.com/index.php/cmsid__upnews
PJ,
This is my last call for a public debate. Should the call go unanswered, so be it, but I think that all of your people would see the lies you hide behind if you don’t do it. I’m ready, are you?
JWS
You are completely wrong about Jesus Christ.
Jesus is exactly who he claimed to be, and your “zeitgeist” hogwash, shows that you are among the luciferians, who are now submitting this world.
There is a vast gulf between the merely religious and the elect of G_d, and Jesus Christ alone can place you among the latter. He is The Sacrifice, and by his gift do the chosen live eternally.
Ask and you shall receive.
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order.
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
My Grandfather was a Shriner and was one of the finest persons I’ve ever known. I met a Knight’s Templar Mason in Las Vegas where he worked and he was completely aware of the zion-NAZI high Bush, Kerry, Rockefeller, Rothschilds and their associates and followers (murdering scum like Kissinger, etc.) and that they were demons. But many Freemasons do good works and others are complete scum. Most are O.K but those lodges who have police usually are rotton (not always). Small town mason operations are often very corrupt. Most people who join do so because they know someone whom they respect who’s in that lodge and join for that reason. So its a mixed bag. I would never join because I just don’t trust people that much. Now I find out that all of the rituals are from Talmudic Jewish lore and so you are supporting the Lucifer worshippers without knowing – depending upon the rites performed. People get in without knowing what’s really behind the curtain. That’s also why I never goin anything, church, whatever. It turns out that most big religeous operations have been secretly founded by the Rothschilds and their high masons. Like the Mormon Church, most of the evangelicals, Billy Graham, and in 1823 the Rothschilds took over the finances of the Catholic Church. I have a lot of Catholic relatives – they know nothing of the New World Order! The Catholic Church appears to have gone off on their own and that’s probably why they are labled as leftists. Ron Paul’s speaking in a hall of a Catholic University is no proof of anything. The fact that it has masonic symbols showed me that the Rothschild influence on that church has gone quite far. Like when they moves queers into the pristhood starting in the early 1900’s. What Paul has been preaching is quite the opposite of the mind controll jibberish of Bush, CNN, FOX, etc. So what are our other choices? And where could Paul speak that wouldn’t have possible question as raised in this article? The whole establishment has been either Freemason or Zion-NAZI so where do you find a building clean of such stuff? Not on almost any college campus. A Church? This article was written to break up the freedom movement and to sow discord. Nobody should be a blind follower but you need some harder facts, much harder, than in this article. The writer probably thinks that the trade towers were brought down by lasers or promotes that idea under a different name.
I wanted to add another comment because I missed a couple of errors in my writing : Goin should be join and where I said the Catholic Church (lower down) being leftist, I meant the South American Church.
I see that comments here are censored. Of course they call it moderation though.
Inconvenient: I am not being insolent in classifying this thread as “paranoid.” The DSM-IV definition of a person with “paranoia personality disorder” (summarized, as it is, after all, a full chapter long) is:
“A person with a set of unjustified or illogical beliefs that causes them significant difficulties in maintaining lasting relationships.”
As such, these are the reason that I classify the people that digress from Ron Paul’s campaign due to this thread “paranoids:”
1. There is no proof that Ron Paul is or is not a Mason. For that matter, there is no proof that anyone in this thread is or is not a Mason. Just because a formal admission or denial of association with any given organization does not exist, we do not have any ground on which to speculate whether or not Ron Paul may be a Mason. For that matter, we do not have any ground on which to speculate whether or not you may be a member of Al Qaeda (any more than this sentence suggested that you may or may not be). That is a wonderful example of an “unjustified belief.”
2. Those that digress from his campaign due to this thread are ACTING on an unjustified belief. As such, they are committing a paranoid act.
Fact of the matter is, you’re not going to find another candidate that has the voting record that Ron Paul has, toward the guidelines set forth in the United States Constitution.
This entire thread is merely a gossip column, meant to keep it’s readers from doing something more useful with their time…maybe, as I am currently, like reading Ron Paul’s new book, “The Revolution: A Manifesto,” in which he overtly states that the commitment toward the set of guidelines established within the United States Constitution is more important than his candidacy or presidency.
He is being overt – if everybody here wants to gossip about unjustified suppositions, then they’re missing the point – this is about what we’re going to see happen at the end of this year: this is about the collapse of our currency, the collapse of our economy, and the end of America as we know it.
If we’re not spending our time directly fighting it as we are being fought – in the media, in Congress, in other American citizens’ minds – then we might as well go get chipped now, and we will have all the time in the world to gossip, as we’re further thrust into economic slavery.
Due to that, hey – Darwinian evolution. This thread just weeded out the people that would’ve bailed anyway, because they were more into the Ron Paul campaign due to his cult of personality than they actually care about anything like “freedom” or “patriotism.”
Again – Good riddance.
– xTo
Why did you refuse delete my last comment?
I made no abusive remarks, and I used no proscribed language. I was also on topic, and very reasonable, in my response to JBS’s response to my earlier posts.
How, …. Beijing of you.
Ron Paul – OUR PLAN
Haven’t you hear the anagram? Didn’t read all comments so don’t know if this is redundant.
I see my question about your censorship was posted, and so let me try again to post the one you have yet to allow.
Here it is again.
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JWS
You are completely wrong about Jesus Christ.
Jesus is exactly who he claimed to be, and your “zeitgeist” hogwash, shows that you are among the luciferians, who are now submitting this world.
There is a vast gulf between the merely religious and the elect of G_d, and Jesus Christ alone can place you among the latter. He is The Sacrifice, and by his gift do the chosen live eternally.
Ask and you shall receive.
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order.
by Natasha Thompson
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250
what an absolute joke, I care about freedom and patriotism way more than RP. He had the chance to blow the whistle on the BIGGEST thing causing us to lose our rights, and start more wars – 9/11. Even though he had said previously, he would support a new investigation, he made it out like that we’re all crazy – same as you insinuate, he goes on the most televised event outside of the debates and says “no that’s propsterous” that our government was involved in the attacks. Just look at the “intercept jets” flying at half-speed in the wrong direction. Look at the scripted media of that day, building up for more wars, to take our freedoms. Look at Bush sitting there GUILTY reading an upside down book about Baphomet , his pet goat. Don’t you ever question my desire for freedom, to be out from under the constant lies that blanket us every day. AND RON PAUL SOLD OUT TO THOSE LIES. He won’t say a word about how the voting process is a SCAM and a SHAM. Or how our two party system is completely run by the SAME PEOPLE. Give me a damn break. I was caught up in his record and his words, too but they are nothing but the token opposition and he won’t EVER go the extra mile. More of the status quo, who “accidentally” got too many people’s attention. In my opinion, he was in this race for the sole purpose to continue to cover up 9/11 because when it come out their whole house of cards come down. And they all have a lot to lose with that, including Ron Paul, whose loyalty to the Nazi GOP is more important than freedom for his grandkids. He’s been more of a detriment to the freedoma nd truth cause than a help. The only thing he really did was get people talking abbout the Constitution and about the Fed. The Fed – the only way thats going ANYWHERE is full-blown revolution. The Constitution just pretends to affirm what we should already have as human beings – freedom and dignity. I don’t trust him any more than the rest of the candidates still in it and I absolutely HATE them too. Freedom forever, not some BS mouthpiece that when the moment of truth comes, he wilts like a poisoned flower.
Thank you for reconsidering and finally posting my comment.
I see I incorrectly addressed it to JWS, instead of pjwalker911 as I should have, however.
Thanks again.
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250
You can generally recognize the moles in truth movement posting strings as follows: We are all going to get chipped, we are all going to get rounded up. It’s implied fear mongering. You want to get “chipped” and rounded up, that’s your choice. But don’t think you are convincing anyone in the truth movement that you are one of us.
You should know who you’re talking to before you spew off about 9/11.
First, I was one of the first on the scene after the towers collapsed, and for at least two weeks after.
Second, like so many others, there are now thousands of chemicals in my lungs, and I’m no doubt going to suffocate to death with a metric asston of tumors in my lungs, some fluid that’s a mixture of chemicals and my own blood, and, to top it off, most likely homeless (been there before – you think I expect the city of New York to do anything?)…
Third, yes, of course 9/11 is incredibly questionable, and by all accounts of scientists and military veterans alike (of which I am one), was an “inside job.”
Fourth – do you not have the slightest clue about the political process?
Let’s say that Ron Paul honestly believes (or, hell, even honestly KNOWS) that “9/11 was an inside job.” Do you know what would happen if he went on TV and said that ALOUD?!?!? You think this thread is pretty crazy, you should’ve seen the threads on CNN’s DB when they even INSINUATED that he thought that.
Next, do you have a clue what would happen to Ron Paul’s pathetically slim candidacy if he insinuated that the voting machines were rigged?…or most anyone’s candidacy, for that matter if they did the same?
Ask John Kerry about that one, and, while you’re at it go take a look at what happened to his support when he insinuated it, himself, by promising a set of lawyers to investigate, after the election. He put a bullet through his own political skull with that one.
Do they have civics classes anymore? This is all pretty basic stuff – the MOST that Ron Paul COULD do IS what he did – an independent group of his supporters posted what they’d heard about voter fraud being committed, Ron Paul himself stated that he’d be up for a new independent investigation, and that’s all he could ever do.
What other candidate has even publically proclaimed ANYTHING similar?
– xTo
(p.s. – the Fed’s at the core of the problem, and the Constitution is it’s opposition. Get off track from that, and you’re not a patriot, or someone that cares about freedom at all – you’re just yet another person looking to dictate other people’s lives in the ways that only YOU see fit.
Do you really think that your way of life would work for everybody, even those people that maybe do not place religion at the forefront of their lives, but maybe put their family at the forefront?
It is my own view that if any God really does exist, he(or she)’d rather have us use our lives to fulfill our own dreams, to our own extents of happiness, not that we should bicker and force each other into believing what we do.)
ogg: I am NOT a part of any movement, least of which the “truth” movement.
I am, however, realistic. When my employers started asking me to get chipped so they could monitor me in the workplace (besides the cameras they already had all over the place), and it was advertised to me as “it will make it convenient for you to enter and exit restricted areas, because you won’t need a card,” I saw the same temptation coming to the rest of America.
And I’ll say it again – you’ll get chipped unless you directly fight it now. And it will be so convenient and so useful and you’ll love it.
And you won’t realize that you’re just inventory on a spreadsheet or in a database somewhere because it will just be that transparent.
There’s nothing to be afraid of, in what I’m saying – it’ll be like having a credit card – at first, all your friend’sll get it, and then they’ll be asking you why you don’t have it yet, and then you’ll be accused of being a “nutcase” and a “survivalist” and a “loner” for not getting one.
And then you’ll have the choice – either isolate yourself from most of your friends, or get one yourself.
Hey – do you happen to have a credit or debit card in your wallet?
– xTo
ohgoodgrief
That is just a little too simplistic, also it is so very convenient, for those who wish us all to remain complacent and at risk.
Very well said xTo.
Thank you, Natasha.
I’ve been trying to view your writing at Totse and have been getting a 404 – Not Found error.
– xTo
Nope – no credit or debit cards. I’m a Christian first last and always, and therefore a child of God, and a purist. Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. If you don’t have Christ you are definitely going to fear what somebody might “do” to you. Revelation has an excellent description of being chipped, and what will be the end of those who allow themselves to be. You are posting information that it is now inevitable. But you leave out that it is only inevitable in non-Christians. The book of Zechariah has a perfect description of the results of the neutron bomb. But I won’t be here to experience that either. What company in the U.S. required you to get chipped? Not that I expect an answer.
The Protestant Bible, King James version, was “authorized” by a Mason. Does that make it evil? Just asking. Maybe we could ask Dr Paul’s clergyman brother.
Companies that require you to get chipped in the US, currently, are either Fortune 500 or engineering firms, so no, I do not intend to answer that.
As for believing in Christ – everybody has their own beliefs. I believe that the Christian Bible is a pretty decent historical reference, outside of the superstition. Jesus Christ seems to be the perfect candidate for the first person ever to oppose centralized, unregulated banking, and he’d get the same punishment today as he did back then, for basically overturning a central banking authority (and he’d even be protested by modern day Christians, as stories about good that people have done are usually overshadowed by stories of bad that are glorified in the media, even today).
Expectation of an event is not an excuse for complacency about it.
If the Christian Bible predicted it so well, as you believe, then why would it tell you about it only to have you be complacent about it when it happens?
Who’s to say that you were told about it, not to prevent you from it, but to ensure your complacency about it, when the time comes?
I don’t fear the potential of anything, sir/ma’am…especially not after I’ve stared death in the face so much in my life, accepted the fact that I’m going to die, just like everybody else, and realized that the emotion of fear is a limiting emotion, not to be confused with a motivating emotion, like hope.
As such, I will not fear the possibility of anything happening to me, because until it does, my fear is only going to cause me to do something I wouldn’t do otherwise – something irrational or unnecessary, or even more limiting.
That does not mean that I will be complacent about things that I do not agree with. That is the path you now choose, not me – fight it or keep deluding yourself into thinking that it can not happen to you, that you are somehow protected by concepts in your mind, alone.
If God exists, God gave you this life to do something with. Either do it or let other people do it for you.
– xTo
Clearly no one here understands Freemasonry or the message of Yeshua Ben Pandira. Everyone’s pride would have them boast they “know” history, and yet still can’t comprehend they know absolutely nothing.
Politcal and psuedo-masonic ideas are not what is important. Evolving our consciousness is.
Everyone on Earth has the psychlogical “I” which causes selfishness and all this worry to begin with.
Everyone’s worry causes either belief or doubt. Neither is actually knowing and both are limiting.
Perhaps we can all evolve out of our confused thinking in this age, and actually educate ourselves with gnosis, direct experience.
Ahem: Jesuit contamination v P2 et al is a modern day aspect of what has happened to Roman Catholicism’s prime enemy, Free Masonry. Masonry is now a full time jesuit controlled front. Ron Paul is first and foremost a CONFEDERATE British and Vatican loyalist who does not really believe in the constitution and is another John Anderson fake meant to disunite and fractionalize political movements seeking return of secular democratic republicanism to our nation. Texas is the heartland for these fakes, as in Bush. All the religious hooo da is irrelevent nonsense for the masses. While Paul’s supposed allegiance to Free Masonry is made an issue, the more important unsavory associations are confederate organizations and anti AFrican hysteria traditionally promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church (hamitic myth). Free Masonry (originally cogizant of black african egyptian foundations and respectfull of it) is co-opted and a useful “demonic cabal” straw man trotted out by the usual Euro elite suspects and their intenet stooges attempting to destroy the United States in favor of the one world order that has been the goal of the Catholic Church since its inception.
Everything black and AFrican or egyptian is “evil” and occult and similar nonsense , such as is seen repeatedly on the Jeff Rense site or David Icke and others. When the pope met the head zionist rabbi for the USA in New York, the Rense site was silent as a tomb. Perhaps in actually believing in their own nonsense, they were simply struck dumb by the apparent conflict with the simplistic prattle that goes on that site. Not discussed: the issue of christian crusades using jews as usefull idiots for the pope’s design of conquest , never given up on to this day, for control of the gateway to riches both ancient and modern, via the choke point called, “the holy land”. (Israel, policeman of the middle east)
Hopefully, readers aquainted with history and interested in world politicks will comprehend the grand final combination of inquisition and holy crusade for resources and minds that is now occuring as an American president kow tows to the pope – unthinkable before Reagan the traitor recognized the Vatican as a country almost immediately after his election in complete variance with the constitution and over 200 years of American political tradition based on same with regard to kissing monarch ass or accepting royal titles.
This, our nation, was founded by free thinking diests and masons as a refuge from the inquisition and European blood bath crusades and is an attempt to reconstitute in part, the Roman Republic, distinct from the degrading and decadent Holy Roman Empire, which so obviously still exists, except to those who have not paid attention to all relevent news regarding the EU, UN and NATO.
The “demons” are international child sex slave and murder organizations using the mantle of religious authority to mask their sickening habits, and the chief pervert’s name is Ratzinger who provides sanctuary for the criminals in his newly recognized “country”.
Secrecy is inherent to masonry due to the inquisition you dumbells, just as it is to any organization intent on surviving the centuries of horrific tortures and executions (in the tens of millions, old world and new) by the roman catholic church and other christian crusaders (let’s be fair here) that torture and kill , destroying entire civilizations with alcohol infused orgies of global blood letting, then and now. This is why white people are so universally hated now globally, it is assumed we are all Christians.
I don’t think Dr. Paul is going to make it past congress. do you?
I have followed the movement for a year and I think more good has come of it in 12 months than anything since the Vietnam war.
I think that Dr. Paul’s personna is authentic. I remain in that court until proven otherwise.
The behavior of the control grid towards Dr. Paul is believable. If he is “one of them” they are doing a good job of making him look like an outsider and this is consistent with previous “good jobs.”
I respect anyone’s thought that a public figure is “one of them.”
The grid is highly effective and my perception is that they control everything with so much effect
that any opposition is really, in fact, part of the grid. Perhaps unconsciously. Truth MUST be managed.
Should Dr.Paul’s authenticity be intact “they” are using him well now and will continue to do so.
Good news in all this?
Literally millions have begun to think about elements of the control grid. (the fed etc.)
Truth does exist. I don’t know where, but, it does.
Can the grid fail?
Of course it can and this is why.
Control is an illusion. It is a lie. A lie is darkness. Darkness by nature, is slow chaotic and imploding. It invariably fails.
It is not possible to control everything. It is not possible to fully control polarity. When you get a mass “under control” polarity creates the polarity of that “controlled mass.” The grid does a good job of controlling this “polarity effect.”
If you understand the mechanics of it all (I do not claim to) you just act like our “current controllers” and use Dr. Paul to begin to manage the “next polarity response.”
Even if he works for them, he is far closer to freedom than “they” are and this is why. If he is one of them, then the “polarity response” would be freedom. A person who is dedicated to the God within each man. If he is one of them he is the darkest of lies producing the polarity this…. the clearest of truths.
Sounds good to me.
The man does not appear to want power. He also, to me, has a reverence for God. It is not worn on his sleeve.
Much of these posts are speculative.
His views on liberty, God, war and family are remarkably genuine appearing and feeling.
If he is one of them, it is an excellent sign of their impending collapse. If they have to trot out this person they must truly believe they are screwed.
This man does not appear to want power. His reasoning is measured and his love for his children and supporters to me is genuine. I am a father and employer.
I judge the male human being by his demeanor to those who are younger and or more vulnerable than he and also his own family.
He takes genuine pleasure in these people. Genuine. Our system does not produce leaders with this trait. IT DOES NOT. the system “appears”to be genuinely threatened by him.
Children DID NOT LIKE Reagan. He was not genuine. Dr. Paul’s grand children stand above his desire for power/influence.
Lord knows, if he is one of them, I will be amazed, but, not fully surprised. The grid is thorough, so thorough in fact for me to know that this site is just another part of it.
Don’t feel bad, if you had the ability to break the grid and establish a free society? Your site would last about a minute and a half.
It is best to remember that it is all about frequency. A lie is low, the truth is high. A man who is a lie can only pretend to be of a high frequency. The human heart can sense frequency and they have not learned how to control this. Ask your heart about his man and others this will provide the answer.
“Of thou seekest the truth, look within thine own heart for there dwelleth the Lord.”
Best to all,
T
I believe that I saw a video on Utube of Ron Paul flashing the Horned Owl sign and it made me reconsider voteing for him. Anyone else have any thing along the same lines?
“Robert Anton Wilson was a “discordian” apologist for Aleister Crowley. His goal was not to inform, but to “stun and amaze”, lead people down the primrose path, but not to wake people up. Only fools and the spiritually corrupt enjoy his books JWS.”
PJ, You know little or nothing about R.A.W. by the looks of your reply.
Wilson is a Futurist, a philosopher, a writer of both fiction and non-fiction.
I personally don’t care for the man; he cheated me out of $15.00 (ordered one of his books on line and he took the money but never sent the book).
But he is a well qualified writer. He fancies himself as a hip human (an ego bigger than New York) but using a BS detector on a scale from 1 to 10, he registers “0”. Unlike you who register a 12 on the same BS detector. He’s a prankster, as was Aleister Crowley, and without a malicious bone in his body.
Methinks, you protest to loudly about the Masons and other semi-secret societies. I suspect it is out of an abject fear of the boogie-man. Either that or you have a hatred of all things that don’t fit into your world view. It matters little what the reason, you are loose with the desire to cast aspersions on others. In mental health circles its called “projection”.
For example, you have called me an idiot and a fool; could it be you’re trying to extricate yourself from those two negativities?
As to Ron Paul’s life style, it matters little what club or group or church or religious institution he subscribes to, his actions are far more noble than any of the other candidates. And that goes for either party.
He has brought many lives into this world. He can’t be all that bad, can he? –jws
It is utter absurdity to think that we can save this country- much less the world, by casting a vote. The powers that be have been working for over 100 years to subjugate the entire world and destroy any opposing religion(namely Biblical Christianity) which opposes it.
Our fathers may have been able to do something, as there was still some freedom in their days- but it is too late now- They were bought off with socialist programs and bread and circuses.
We’re not just fighting a group of corrupt leaders, but much of humanity itself, which has been brainwashed by state schools and the Zionist media.
Don’t worry about saving the world or this country- it is too late- WAY too late. Those of us who care, need to worry first and foremost about preserving what is left of our own freedom- to worship our God and live our lives and interact weith our neighbors according to the proinciples we believe in and live by- and to do so, we must come “out of the system” and live free, where they can not manipulate us through participation in their fraudulent economy, nor claim ownership and control of our children and property…nor regulate and control our every action and even our freedom to travel about.
It is time to move to the wilderness (there is still some in South America, beyond the reach of their tentacles). Live free or die.
donquicksote@live.com
Let us hang a politician or two! It will be a lot of harmless fun!
(with apology to Mark Twain)
BTW, this is a good time to make a political prediction. Next year at this time John McCain will be celebrating four and a half months as President of the USA.
Here’s why…
The Republicans know he cannot win against Hillary. That is why the main stream media has given Obama a free pass (to date) with very little negative reporting. Once he (Obama) is nominated the media will turn on him by bringing up little tidbits of information concerning his private life-style.
Hillary’s private life-style has been public knowledge for years so there’s more than a good chance of her winning the election, especially against the extremely low ratings of the Republican party.
McCain can win against Obama but not so against Hillary.
In any case, I suspect the electiion will be rigged like the last two and McCain will still be our next president.
Get ready for the draft, boys and girls, and don’t invest in Iranian or Syrian property. –jws
Boris, it has been said that no government is the best type of government.
We now know that is dead wrong.
We’ve had no government for the last hundred years and look at the mess we’re in! ;-) –jws
“I see I incorrectly addressed it to JWS, instead of pjwalker911 as I should have, however.”
Well, Natasha, it certainly clears that up. I was beginning to get paranoid about this mystery message. ;-) –jws
Actually R Paul is kind of irrelevant to the movement at this point. He pretty much did that to himself this election season, starting with his deliberate failure to contest the first fixed primary (NH I believe). And there are too many moles on a thread like this to have a logical or sensible discussion. He is only the figurehead now of the “Ron Paul Revolution”, which is actually a good thing. The actual topic of this article is whether he kind of fooled people into believing he wanted to effect change. I voted for him, but with reservations, because I’ve been following his career for over 20 years, and all he ever really does is effectively explain that the Fed is a fraud. As a congressman, he never actually does anything about it. His actions are why it is clear to me that his allegiance isn’t really to change in DC. Dennis Kucinich on the other hand actually has the best health care plan, financed by booting the insurance companies out of the process. He has a current bill in congress on this, is my understanding. Posturing and philosophical claptrap, which posting strings like this always attract have nothing whatsoever to do with righting the wrongs in this country.
And truth is easy to find. It is found only in the person of Jesus Christ, who claimed to be the Son of God, not a politician. He made himself equal with God because he WAS and IS equal with God, and laid down his life for us. He said I AM the way the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father except by me. The Council of 13 at Kimball Castle in Colorado may think they are in charge, but God will have the final say, regardless of who obeys him in this life.
I used to think that Freemasonry was evil also until I actually learned about it and quit reading “hearsay”. My daughter just joined Jobe’s Daughters and my son is going to join DeMolays. I am going to be initiated into the Daughters of the Nile and my husband is requesting to join the Masons. We are interested in being involved in the Shriners’ Organization. I have been to many events over the course of a year and I can tell you that as a Christian of 35 years, I have seen or read nothing that contradicts my Christian beliefs. I saw a DeMolay speech tonight about respect for Mothers that was unbelievably beautiful.
Being a mason does not make you part of the establishment- I am a Mason & I am against the NWO .I am also against the Federal Reserve, the income tax, the John birch Society , the Iraq War, the Iran War( if it happens), I believe GW Bush should be impeached. I also believe there is no global warming & I am also athird party independent voter and against illegal immigration & am for an even handed Middle East policy- so do not think all Masons think alike.
Sometimes my comments don’t post here either but I think it’s the occasional net cyber-glitch.
Nope, have not read all comments here,
but will tell you one BIG fact. ALL those
who possess a license to practice medicine,
law, and most other “professions”( please
excuse the spelling at this time) are members of some Masonic Lodge. One simply cannot acquire a license otherwise.
SO, naturally, Dr. Paul is no exception. Does this make him a bad dude ? I really dont think so. He certainly would have been the lesser of all evils.
ohgoodgrief said, “And truth is easy to find. It is found only in the person of Jesus Christ, who claimed to be the Son of God, not a politician.”
You claim to know the truth, ogg. Truth needs proof does it not? Or is truth merely what a book says is the truth?
Setting aside, for the moment, whether a particular God is good or evil, what proof can you provide that this fellow called Jesus ever existed?
If such a proof of your easily to find truth exists, would not everyone concede the truth of this proof?
Logic itself is no proof of a truth; logic uses an apriori assumption to explain itself in a limited context, just as the bible uses a circular argument to prove the existence of it’s authors’ object of worship.
One can certainly profess faith in this deity or that deity, but faith offers not a grain of proof that a particular deity even exists.
Then there’s the question of whether or not a particular deity is a good deity or an evil deity.
You see how far we humans have come and how far we need to go in order to progress out of this circular argument.
Otherwise, your post was interesting… –jws
Vacillating, I’m in, I’m out; I’m sort of in….no,
wait, I’ll just be s Symbol… WTF!?
R.P. is just a 21st Century R.oss P.erot. If he had
an balls or honesty, he would have declared as
an Independent, 3rd party Candidate, by now.
Our only chance, here, is leveraging one faction
against the others, and watching for potential opportunities to turn, and re-aim, this crippled
elephant called America.
In this one case, only, ‘Vyzohex’ is correct.
Other than that, he is just another ignorant,
self-indulging asshole.
except that fulfilled prophecies are not circular arguments (start with Dead Sea Scrolls and Isaiah 53 if on unfamiliar ground here. I once heard Madeline Murray Ohair scream nonstop for 10 minutes on the radio in 1966, so that a Theology professor in Chicago could not explain the importance of the Dead Sea Scrolls. There’s plenty of proof, but God will not force you to examine it. He loves you but will not force you to love Him back.
To those saying that Masonry is harmless or even good- have you ever read the writings of some of its’ foundational members, like those of Manly P. Hall??? Have you even read the writings of some of its’ current or more recent high-degree initiates?
My goodness- hearing people say that Masonry is benign or even good is like hearing Catholics say that the pope is a Christian!
Those who are investigators of Skull and Bones need to look into it’s connection with Vril and Thule. The Black Sun is connected to all these secret organizations. The black sun is the sun symbol that all these secret societies use in their symbology.
The Thule Society is freemasons. The Vril Society is the Illuminati. They have been in cahoots for a very long time. Here is a link to an article that goes a long way to show the connection of all secret societies to the Black Sun. A.K.A. Lucifer/Satan…
http://www.greatdreams.com/solar/black-sun.htm
If you want more info come join this group…
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/end_times_prophecy_n_astronomy/
Now seeing that the Vril and Thule Societies have a agenda that relates to the Nazi Black Sun and that Ron Paul had the backing of the Great White Brotherhood… Well this is showing a connection I believe. Those reports about Ron Paul supposedly being connected to NESARA and it’s alien agenda well I assume there is a connection to Thule & Vril…
JWS,
You are an apologist for R.A.W. and therefore an apologist for Aleister Crowley who was a Mason, an agent of British Intelligence, a Satanist member of OTO and a Luciferian member of Golden Dawn take your pick. This alone speaks volumes about you.
I read one of R.A.W.’s books, and after puking, and that was all I needed from him. He was a jerk and if anyone with a head on their shoulders looks at the numerous videos of him they will see he was nothing but a bullshit artist playing semantic games, a chaos creator diverting people from the truth and just an all around jackass.
You JWS are no different.
Inconvenient,
I agree with you and you project sincerity, unlike an awful lot of the moles and useful idiots posting here. Thanks.
9/11 Inside Job!
Voting Rigged!
Government a masonic mafia!
Republicans are Fascists!
Democrats are Commies!
But they work together for the same New World Order!
Washington corrupt to its masonic foundations!
If Ron Paul isn’t a mason himself, he is more than happy to work with them and run smokescreens for his masonic masters.
“except that fulfilled prophecies are not circular arguments (start with Dead Sea Scrolls and Isaiah 53 if on unfamiliar ground here.”
So, another book is your proof of truth. You don’t seem to get my point, oog. Circular arguments are no proof of truth. There are so many contradictions in all of the many Christian bibles it staggers the mind that so many people take them on blind faith — and now you bring in the dead Sea Scrolls to prove the “truth” of the bible. No wonder so many people take it upon themselves to dedend this deity or that deity when in truth it should be the other way around.
Fulfilled prophecies could just as well be the domain of the Sumerian Gods, Anu, Enlil and Enki. They at least were purported to have lived long enough life spans to see their own prophecies fulfilled. Nor would Christians give any credance to those Sumerian “lofty ones”… –jws
Lloyd Clinton,
I sure as hell do not put trust in you or your masonic brotherhood of psychopaths. Let’s just put it that way.
Other than that, I do not subscribe to any of your Illuminati-controlled religions. I much prefer to think for myself thank you.
So far you have called me an idiot, a fool, and a jackass.
One word paints an accurate, my friend. COWARD.
Only COWARDS hide behind a keyboard and call people names.
My friend, you are “projecting” completely out of the picture. But then, you speak like many Christians when they cannot provide a good argument.
From now on I will address you as COWARD. –jws
By the way, I have not deleted a single comment from anyone posting comments to this thread. In fact I recovered quite a few that were destined for the spam box. I give everybody a chance to say their piece no matter how repugnant or ridiculous. So this is a free speech zone folks. Post away.
JWS,
You are the coward because you can’t face the truth especially when you have been outed as a mason-friendly occultist and admirer of RAW, Crowley and other evil men.
Frankly, this world is filled with way too many of your type and that is the reason we have the problems that we do. But you just keep on flapping your jaws, because you expose yourself with every breath.
I, on the other hand am not afraid to take an unpopular stand, alone if need be, because I have something you don’t have. Balls.
BTW, my last post was addressed to PJwalker911, heretofore designated COWARD. Please insert the words “picture of you” between “accurate” and “my friend”.
I am an apologist for no one, COWARD. My opinios are mine and mine alone.
I do feel somewhat sorry for you though, COWARD. You are so afraid someone will shake up your world view, you will resort to silly outbursts and childish behavior to defend that view. Just goes to show why intelligence has nothing in common with good sense. –jws
Oh JWS, did I hurt your little feelings little boy?
I’m so sorry….. Now stop whining, grow some balls and say something of substance.
COWARD, your childish comments give you away for what you are.
I don’t belittle your opinions. I belittle your childish behavior and silly name calling. Your mother should spank you on a regular basis until you understand the utility of good conversation. Until then, you shall remain a COWARD with BIG BALLS and no BAT. –jws
Yes COWARD you did hurt my feelings. But no, I’m no little boy. I’m three quarters of a century old. I bled in the Korean “police action” in 1953.
But more importantly, you should see what transpires when someone calls me names FACE to FACE.
Hint: I don’t buy them a drink, COWARD. –jws
Albert Pike (the so-called pope of Freemasonry) even said in his book Morals and Dogma of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry that they will always give us our heroes to follow, I’m sure Ron Paul and Alex Clones are no exception to this rule…
SHIT. I wish I had my Freemason book right now cause i’d be able to call that Joseph Schultz guy out hardcore for being the Freemasonic shill that he outwardly appears to be. Don’t worry PJ, he’s just making use of one of their revered Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences, specifically rhetoric. They are conditioned to believe that they have the ultimate power over the common people to venerate or admonish anything they want so long as they speak eloquently and with force. When I get the book back from my friend I will directly quote the passage about their liberal art of rhetoric here…
Many of us have had Masons in our families. There is nothing wrong with Masons. As a matter of fact without the Shriners Childrens hospitals the burn reasearch they have done has saved hundreds of thousands of people. And any child can go to a Shriner hospital and get medical attention. Shriners are MASONS. Get off the Anti-Masonic bandwagon. Every mason I know is a good person. Just because they have their traditions and ceremonies doesn’t make them evil. Its a worldwide fraternity, regardless of religion or race. If more people acted like masons the world would be a better place.
pjwalker911 // May 14, 2008 at 6:53 am
Lloyd Clinton,
I sure as hell do not put trust in you or your masonic brotherhood of psychopaths. Let’s just put it that way.
Other than that, I do not subscribe to any of your Illuminati-controlled religions. I much prefer to think for myself thank you.
Just as I thought PJ. Hide behind your website. Your readers should be proud of you.
I would be willing to do the debate in a venue of your choosing…what do you have to lose? Seems to me, that you’ve lost most of it already.
Michael // May 14, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Many of us have had Masons in our families. There is nothing wrong with Masons. As a matter of fact without the Shriners Childrens hospitals the burn reasearch they have done has saved hundreds of thousands of people. And any child can go to a Shriner hospital and get medical attention. Shriners are MASONS. Get off the Anti-Masonic bandwagon. Every mason I know is a good person. Just because they have their traditions and ceremonies doesn’t make them evil. Its a worldwide fraternity, regardless of religion or race. If more people acted like masons the world would be a better place.
SO MOTE IT BE BROTHER!
This is complete BS reasoning:
“Personally, I don’t even need to know if he is a mason or not because A) he supports the name of Reagan,”
He denounced Reagan in the late ’80s and completely disassociated himself with him as he wasn’t espousing the traditional conservative principles that Reagan originally ran his platform on. Reagan probably would have rid us of the Federal Reserve and shrunk the gov.’t down if not for the fact that he was scared of getting assassinated. Notice how his attitude towards the Fed changed after Hinckley almost got the job done.
” B) he uses the image of Guy Fawkes, a Jesuit terrorist,”
He never used this image, his supporters did, led by supporter Trevor Lyman. Name one instance of Ron using the Guy Fawkes image. This is absurd and you’re either really stupid or trying to fool people.
“C) he publically denounces 9/11 truthers,”
As opposed to completely destroying his campaign by hinting that he thinks the government did have a role? He can fix the problem when he’s in office, no reason to publicly announce his support and make people think he’s insane.
” D) he is deeply involved with JBS which is nothing but another elite brotherhood frontgroup,”
Prove it.
“E) he praises the Vatican which most of the Founding Fathers abhored and basically, despite many many years in office he has not done anything to actually stop any aspect of this NWO system from being implemented”
He rarely ever mentions religion, and has attempted to enact TONS of legislation to limit government and the power of the NWO. Perhaps you’re unaware that one representative out of hundreds can’t pass a bill on his own.
xto,
You have my sympathy for suffering directly from the crime known as 9/11. You of all people should be DEMANDING at the top of your lungs, for the truth to come out. How they lied and told you rescue workers or whatever you were doing there that it was safe to breathe. NOBODY has been held accountable for this. You sit and defend rP for not sayuing the truth, in other words, fear justifies anyone going on TV to lie to the public, ad NAUSEUM.
Your pathetic attempts to smear me as not knowing the political system, saying twice I should take a civics class…to quote you: ROTFLMAO. Yeah the same civics clsss that tells us we are free? The same one that says there are checks and balances and that we the people have ANY say at all? The one that teaches us that the Constitution is the SUPREME law of the land? What a JOKE. You probably get your news from CNN or FAUX still don’t you.
The fact that you think the votes are legitimate or that ANY candidate hasn’t already been hand-picked by the elite, tells me you paid TOO MUCH attention in Civics class.
In summary, and I have nothing left to say to you, because you again questioned my patriotism. I am a veteran and I have been fighting for the TRUTH and FREEDOM ever since I got out. I realized in there that they lie and lie and lie and lie as a matter of permanent public policy. The media is scripted by the Pentagon (as admitted by CNN even, since I’m sure you and many others won’t believe anything unless they say so.) psyops. The “government” that is publis is only for show. I’m sure they will realy teach you that in civics class, hich I’ve taken TWICE, as well as all the rest of the politics courses they teach in our JOKE universities. I’ve studied the REAL news for over 10 years, and guess what 95% of the people don’t have CLUE ONE about whats really going on, and I’d place you in that group for your slander against me. DOn’t worry your messiah RP will be exposed as the shill he is. He told me everything I needed to know when, at the peak of his popularity, going into NH, he runs an immigration ad of all things.
Nothing abbout the war which has costed AT LEAST 1 trillion dollars.
Nothing about how the entire Constitution was shredded .
Nothing about the PROVEN vote fraud in the last two Pres. elections, and I’m sure much farther back.
I coul sit and list off a million things he could have said, but he chose immigration. IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, for crying out loud.
But don’t worry, I don’t blame you I guess for being brainwashed, everyone is on something. So just keep making up excuses for him. Make excuses for him not talking about 9/11 (AND YES HE KNOWS) while you suffer because of that day. That’s the sad thing. If people really cared about justice, this would be shouted by everyone everyday until someone was held accountable. I don’t really know what else to say to you, I’m sure you’ll just resoind that I don’t care about the people of this country. never mind that every word I say of truth makes it that much more likely that I will end up dying for this country after all. I’m not afraid, and yes if I ever was on national TV, I wouldn’t BITCH OUT like RP did. Like the fascist prison state they have planned isn’t going to get me anyway: the sacrifice is worth it. But I guess for RP his Republican membership card is more important.
I feel bad for even having this conversation with a 9/11 worker but you of all people should understand that one man, that people trusted, told the whole world via TV the same ole lie thats been propagated for years. For what? And when people say why should he tell the truth, do you know what that would do? I’d say theres a LOT more people that aren’t TOO STUPID to know the truth when they hear it. 9/11 Truth isn’t just speculation: the official story was a complete LIE, and IMPOSSIBLE. When they do polls on it, there are HUGE numbers of people who knows the official story makes no sense at all. Who cares if the media scorns him, THEY WERE INVOLVED, THEY RAN THE COVER STORIES, MADE SURE BLAME WENT TO WHERE THE FEUHRER WANTED IT, HAVE COVERED UP ALL LINES IN INQUIRY EVER SINCE. Of course they are oing to ridicule it, but they need to be EXPOSED, publically to everyone. And RP had the chance, and punted. And yes, there is NO WAY the voting process will ever change anything at this point. Sook civics class and I remember well the rights of the people to shrug off unconstitutional tyrannical governments. That’s called Revolution. But everyone will just lay down for their own benefit. And I’M the one who’s not a patriot?
I’m done, I’m sorry for your loss and health problems and I doubt this is helping but I’m outraged and flummoxed as to how you could even try to defend that RP didn’t AT LEAST say, “well there are a lot of unanswered questions, if the government was not involved, why the fear and reticence for a REAL investigation?” Doesn’t that sound a lot better? He wouldn’t even have had to risk his life. Not like you did, like those people who already died, the people who will die due to no rights and roundups in the future, the people who will die the next time they need a war. How is it alright for all those people to die but a 70 year old man who claims to want truth and freedom to speak outright lies about what he really believes out of FEAR?
I admire also the people who supported him, but its become too obvious to me that he is not who or what he claims. Done ranting, I wish you the best, honestly, and this country, and maybe RP will actually demonstrate some cajones but at this point the impact will be far less.
PS- sorry for hijacking this page on the slavemasons with this discourse, but I feel that the motives of RP are questionable at this point, so figuring out who or what is controlling him (its not the truth) is fair game.
So…your accusation is based on a link that is no longer accessible? Even through google cache?
Sorry then your claim is not valid, as you have ZERO proof to support it. How do we know YOU are not controlled opposition, doing a hit piece on ron paul? Or someone who regularly makes up unprovable claims? The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation, and you have provided NO evidence to support it. Sorry.
Oh Joe you really are young. The Dead Sea Scrolls are not a book, and I don’t intend to do your homework for you. Anyone actually interested, however, google Dead Sea Scrolls and find out the importance of their discovery, how their date relates to the Isaiah 53 prophecy and its subsequent fulfillment a few hundred years later, etc. There is a whole internet chock full of information on every conceivable topic. You aren’t interested in the one true God, the God of the Bible that’s your choice. Again fulfilled propheciesare not circular arguments, but if you reject the truth or decline to do any personal research, that also is your choice. The Dead Sea Scrolls a book – you are either a troll or you are between 18 and 25.
Considering the depth of coverage of politicians personal lifes it is quite startling to realize that that Freemasonry has been able to keep the identity of it’s active and current members in Government and Politics largely secret.
Generally the identity of Freemasons is only confirmed many years after they, and their political and social network have passed away, and then ususally only if they weren’t considered controversial figures.
Just ponder for a moment the single point of the hideous, usually fatal, oaths they have taken. They have sworn to prefer other members of this fraternity to all others. These men and women very often hold senior leadership positions in their communities in positions of trust. In my view the oaths of Freemasonry are incompatible with holding positions of public trust. Masonry is simply a conflict of interest.
These men and women very often hold senior leadership positions in their communities in positions of trust.
There are no women masons in regular mainstream masonry. I figured you would know that.
You guys have no idea who the masons are. You need to read more. Ask youself why masons are denigrated and maligned yet, the skull and bones are hidden and not exposed to the light of day????
We know very little about most secret societies and many of them have spawned proven damagers to our republic who served in public office, but not so the masons. They are actually the ones who may save us. In fact, I think that is why they are being so violently slandered as they are to get people like this guy above who does not substantive research, to help them in their quest.
The masons were the stone workers in Scotland who helped the Knights templar to escape the horrible prosecution and attempted genocide on those honorable knights. They aid the templars, who were spread across Europe, in communicating with each other through their stone work on the various buildings they built in different countries.
The religion that the Templars brought with them was not to the liking of the Catholic church because it challanged the Popes stated authority from God to speak for him on earth. The templars helped their communities and gave their wealth to support a vibrant and growing economy in Europe which threatened the monarchy and the catholic church.
That is why the King of france in concert with the Pope attacked the knights one night in FRance and tortured and killed 2,500 of them. That persecution has continued into today. It was the Scottish masons (a stone working organization) that aided them to escape and live safely in Scotland. These knights were the only threat to the power of the catholic church and the elite of europe because of their popularity with the average people. So learn your history before you show your ignorance.
I believe they are the white knights and are the only force against the new world order that can help us to fight the illuminati and monarchies of europe and the banking interests that support those monarchies return to power internationally. If we continue on this path we will harm the only organization that has the where with all to stop what is going on as we speak.
If Ron is a mason, it explains HIS 30 YEARS OF CONSISTANT ETHICAL AND MORAL ACTIONS, NOT TALK, BUT ACTIONS AS A CONGRESSMAN. No matter what you think about the masons you cannot discount his record that is clear. If you do, then you are worse than a murderer for maligning the reputation of such a moral, ethical and brilliant man.
You then become the real problem. I say we have no choice anyway. He is our last hope and if we are wrong, well, we would have ended up with one of the other three which is no different and then we will all know the truth. So voting and supporting him is a risk, but the others we KNOW are bought and paid for. He is the only unknown and the only choice for a viable risk. We have a 50% chance of being right and that is worth the risk…. we have 0% with the others.
Inconvenient: If I wanted your sympathy, I would’ve asked for it. I don’t. What I did was stupid – I was a volunteer, not paid with the NYPD or FDNY.
Don’t tell me what I “should” do. You don’t pay attention to how much effort it’s taken to get even what we’ve done, done in this country so far. You should’ve seen the work it took just to get the FIRST (rigged) investigation into the WTC started. You can’t just walk through Times Square screaming for American citizens to demand a new investigation into 9/11 and POOF it happens.
You should have stopped at “I have nothing left to say to you,” but you didn’t, and your fingers went off showing that you obviously have no clue as to how the political process works.
Allow me to elaborate before you post another 3 pages.
Civics Lesson #1: Ron Paul did not “choose” the advertisements that were displayed in any state he’s campaigned in so far. An independent group that supported his campaign did. If you wanted to help or change that, you could have signed up with that campaign and made your own advertisement, and right now some other person would be berating Ron Paul for the ad that YOU created, that didn’t cover the issues that THEY wanted to see covered. Boo hoo. Get over it.
Civics Lesson #2: The idea of any politician even standing up to oppose the IRS OR the FED is revolutionary in and of itself. How much more should he stand out before he’s labelled a complete nutjob by his political adversaries? You’re angry at him for “not telling the truth,” but how much truth can he tell before he’s labelled a “nutjob,” or a “conspiracy theorist,” as many of yourselves are labelled, here?
(not to mention the fact that politicians that oppose the Fed or the IRS tend to get shot)
Civics lesson #3: The fact that you will not, as you say, “BITCH OUT like RP did” on national TV is the very reason that you, my friend, will never be on national TV. If you’ve ever seen the movie, “Network,” then you probably have a clue as to what type of scenario executives of television networks try to avoid. It’s not that the audience wouldn’t like you if you were on national television saying that stuff, it’s that you would introduce LIABILITY to the television network for them having BROADCAST you saying what you want. No television network wants to piss off any more lawyers than they already do (and they piss off enough lawyers as it is – have you ever looked through the multitudes of television network case law?).
Civics Lesson #4: The reason that I do not consider you a “patriot:” Your heart’s in the right place, kid, but you obviously do not know the rules of the game, nor does it seem like you’re willing to study them. Instead, what you’re doing is ranting about various topics, without proof, without precedence, and as if all your ranting could somehow “change” something.
What opportunity do you think you’re going to get, that nobody else is getting? Do you think that you’ll ever, POTENTIALLY, be allowed on national television to state all of these revolutionary, but probably true, concepts that you believe, when nobody else has? Do you not realize that the American public must take large truths gently, so that they do not blame people who are not to be blamed?
As such, given your unstudied ranting, and the fact that you’re trying to circumvent so many civil, political, and societal rules, your own rants are undermining the only movement that even has the potential to achieve the ends to which you proclaim that you would like to see.
You are, in effect, a saboteur, and especially if it’s not intended by you, the reaction of others that you cause, and the fuel against the existing movement that you create, will eventually destroy the movement that could change anything toward a productive direction.
It’s called “divide and conquer,” and the Greeks and Romans knew it well.
I think it’s great that you think we should approach all of these diverse subjects – as I stated above, your heart’s in the right place – but in attempting to cause others to bicker about it (even though it’s such stupid minor issues at this point, comparatively with the current macroscopic problems), you are attempting, the purpose of this entire thread is attempting, to split the movement for freedom up.
The saboteurs that you are, whether willing participants or not, whether conscious of the methods of sabotage you are using or not, are, however, only weeding out those individuals that were into Ron Paul, as a person – not the individuals that actually know what freedom is all about.
Freedom is a very solid concept. It is the ability to choose the way you, personally and individually, want to live your life, regardless of what another person thinks. Others do not have the right to harm you for such decisions, nor do you have the right to harm others for differing decisions.
Freedom comes with responsibility. Personal freedom comes with personal responsibility.
If you would like to make this discussion progressive instead of regressive, maybe we could get into a debate about what we could actually organize and DO to obtain, and maintain, true freedom again. Until then, your complaints about large conspiracy theories that you would like to see investigated aren’t going to get us anywhere.
You have to crawl before you learn to walk.
– xTo
Pepper,
I do my research and do it well. I am a Mason, do you think I don’t understand the organization to which I belong???
The mighty Ogg wrote: “Oh Joe you really are young. The Dead Sea Scrolls are not a book, and I don’t intend to do your homework for you.”
Joe replies: I know you are trying to bait me, ogg. Fine, lets go along with the gag, shall we.
Joe continues: Since you do all your studying through Google, allow me to suggest to you that a new invention is out called books. For example: The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English (English)ISBN: 9780140278071) You see what wonders are in our world, ogg? BOOKS, their time has come. By your reasoning the bible you quote from is equally not a book, right? At most it is a gathering of divergent manuscripts and letters and word of mouth stories passes down through the ages and gathered up and put into BOOK form. Golly gee, what a great way to gather and store information. You should try reading one. I do and they certainly keep my mind young, if not the body.
And the mighty Ogg says: “Anyone actually interested, however, google Dead Sea Scrolls and find out the importance of their discovery, how their date relates to the Isaiah 53 prophecy and its subsequent fulfillment a few hundred years later, etc.”
And Joe replies: Ah, this is your proof that Jesus and his father exist. Well, that clinches it, everyone now believes the way you do. Now, you must do us all a favor and instruct us in which Jesus to follow. The Morman Jesus is interesting. He came from the planet Kolob to be the God of planet earth. How about the Christian Science Jesus? You knw, the one where you aren’t dead, you just think your dead. How about the fundamentalists idea of Jesus? He doesn’t allow smoking, drinking, movies, and a host of other taboos. Especially the hard core Baptists. But then, you’re probably a good catholic. You believe in Purgatory and Transubstantiation and a host of other Jesus sanctioned rituals including Mary worship along with other sundry idols. I know, some Christian churches preach that Jesus is the son of some god while others preach that he is merely the son of some deity. Then there’s the manner of baptism. Some Christian churches believe that if you are not completely submerged in water you are not really baptized. Others say sprinkling will suffice. And how about the Rapture? Pre-rapture, Post-rapture, etc.? It all gets so confusing, ogg. Set us all straight — tell us which one is the true church of this fellow called Jesus Christ.
Ogg wrote: “There is a whole internet chock full of information on every conceivable topic.”
And Joe replies. Wow! Double WoW! I didn’t know that till this very minute. You are such a wonderful teacher of absolute and irrefutable facts! Thank you so much for the good news!
Ogg pontificates: “You aren’t interested in the one true God, the God of the Bible that’s your choice.”
The repentant Joe replies: Oh but you have made a believer out of me. Now my life is in your hands. You must steer me through the maze of false saviors and gods and lead me to the one true Jesus. You are a wonderful person for taking on such a seemingly difficult task. But I know you are up to it. WHICH JESUS SHALL I PRAY TO, OGG?
And the mighty Ogg says: “Again fulfilled prophecies are not circular arguments, but if you reject the truth or decline to do any personal research, that also is your choice.”
And the repentent Joe replies: Gosh! I am speechless before such majesty! A thousand pardons for not trusting your words of wisdom. I am eternally in your debt for making me see the light. I shall go out hence and preach your version of the absolute truth, Ogg.
And the mighty Ogg reiterates: “The Dead Sea Scrolls a book – you are either a troll or you are between 18 and 25.”
Yes, I must be a troll because my great grandchildren would not want an 18 year old great grandfather. You must be ancient to have attained such wisdom. I’m sure you and PJ have converted many in this forum. Keep up th e good work. Your Father in Heaven will reward you greatly. (Will He give you 72 virguns…? Oh silly me, that’s a different god — a minor one at that… –jws
Apparently, Totse.com, has either been blocked or hacked.
So here is copy of my brief essay, that Totse has been hosting since 2003. I really wrote this in early 2002. Totse later copyrighted it for me, when they picked it up and began hosting it, in 2003.
Here is the original link.
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE THIS
The Fourth Reich; The New World Order.
by Natasha Thompson
The Nazi’s are not a thing of the past. The neonazis are not representative of the true power, which the real Nazi’s still wield world wide. To them
World War 2 is just a lost battle. The WAR goes on, and they are winning it.
They are winning because too many believe it is over, and (wrongly think) that Nazism is no longer a threat. While pseudo Nazis parade in the streets openly, having little power, the real Nazis move ever closer to the realization of their
long held goal of world domination. For such are (now) in positions of real power everywhere, their ties to the Third Reich only rumored about.
The Bush family is a perfect example.
Their success is assured, because sadly our Nation’s future, is in the hands of a people drunk on materialism, blinded by self interest, and deluded by
the corporate controlled news media and entertainment industry. In the wake of the Reagan administration, the news media has become theirs, and such is obvious to anyone with both eyes open, (having) one upon history and another
upon our potential future.
For these things, the entire world shall be completely dominated by the very remnants of the (real) Third Reich, who bankrolled and directed from behind the scenes, outside of Germany, the actions of their servants the NSDAP of Germany during WW2. Those who at this very moment are inexorably and without restraint, swiftly bringing to fruition, the nightmare conceived by the powers of darkness. The very same evil which even now decimates our planetary ecosystem, and pollutes the minds of people everywhere, through
the airwaves which they control.
They create chaos globally, and then offer their solutions to the very same (chaos which they create. Such terrorism and economic machinations are by them perpetrated, to further their agenda of world domination. Now ask yourself how those who were capable of perpetrating the evil the Nazis employed during WW2, could have given up seeking to control the world?
They shall get what they want, by any means necessary, as surely nothing is beneath them.
If we look around us with open eyes, it is clear now that 911 has at (the very) least
been skillfully employed as an excuse, to transform our Nation into a Police
State. Even if 911 was really the work of Islamic terrorists, then haven’t they won? Certainly the answer is yes, if they wanted to change our way of
life, and galvanize a force against them which they have surely no hope of prevailing against. Ask yourself if they are really that stupid.
Is it inconceivable that 911 was really a very carefully planned media
event?
Isn’t it odd how many video cameras, just happen to be pointing in the right direction, at the precise moment of the first impact? How many
people video taped the Twin Towers every day? Surely an incredible
coincidence at the very least. As I have seen at least four perfectly clear, “amateur videos”, all shot at great angles. The second impact, I could understand, but the first?
It seems to me obvious that 911 was a media event, designed to profit an agenda, other than that of the scapegoats who have been blamed. It is all just a little too pat, and too convenient. If one examines who is profiting from 911, then the real perpetrators become obvious, and the wisdom behind the old saying, follow the money, becomes all too obvious also.
Scheduled on a date synonymous with emergency in the US, 911 was really a
ploy, used to galvanize public support, for the deployment of US military power in the Oil fields of the Persian Gulf. A platform from which to launch a series of wars, waged to gain control of the world’s Oil supply, 911 is more than reminiscent of the Reichstag Fire, which was also a staged event,
and (it was) one which transformed Hitler from a public official into a dictator
with absolute power overnight.
Isn’t it obvious by now, since no WMD were ever found, that our troops have
been used not to protect us from Islamic terrorists, but really only to gain control, of the very foundation of the world economy, that is OIL?
George H, W. Bush Sr., promised to usher in a New World Order, and it is now surely obvious that he has made good on his promise. Can anyone really fail to see, that now his son as President carries on this agenda? As soon as they have finished consolidating their power, The New World Order will
finish what Hitler attempted, and failed to do.
Whoever controls the world economy, will of course have unlimited political
power. In controlling Oil completely, they will control the entire world, and so also everyone who lives in it. OIL is the (very) foundation of the world economy, and BIG OIL is now our government, (and) so we live in interesting times. The key to world power (OIL) lies neatly in one place for the greater part, and so this presents an opportunity just to good to pass up.
Imagine a world government with complete control of the global economy. A world controlled
by a single political power, with no one left to question or oppose it. One in which all economic transactions are controlled completely, and all buying and selling is a revocable privilege.
Our world economy is rapidly moving
toward becoming electronic and (cashless). Does this likely scenario, sound at all familiar somehow? An old and widely read book, clearly describes
just such a future, the Bible in the New Testament book of Revelation.
Certainly the New World Order has associated themselves with Christianity,
and they have done so in much the same way the Nazis did. Yet clearly both
have offered a very distorted version of it, and their true association with Christianity is clearly one of other, at best.
Our current President, his father, and Ronald Reagan surely, are fulfilling
biblical prophecy though, and far more literally than I ever expected. Yet
in ways which make it clear they are anything but Christian, and such as even makes it clear they are the long awaited fulfillment, of the prophecy of the Antichrist World Empire, foretold in Revelation chapter 13.
The book of Revelation (in) chapter 13, speaks of how to identify the Antichrist,
and the Second Beast who comes ‘immediately’ after him. Two men who lead as public figureheads, a world government which will have control of all buying and selling world wide.
The book of Daniel, in the Old Testament, explains in detail how they gain control of the world economy. It says they do so by
attacking and defeating the oil rich nations of the Persian Gulf, beginning with Iraq.
Revelation chapter 13 identifies these two men, whom it refers to as the Two
Beasts, the first Beast or Antichrist, and the Second Beast or False Prophet. It states the Antichrist is a human man, with a great speaking
ability, who is such a persuasive orator, you could call him The Great
Communicator.
It says also that the Antichrist is wounded mortally while in the world spotlight, and the world is astonished that he survives (his wound).
Revelation then says, that he would be followed immediately by the Second Beast. The next man in office who has “the same power and authority” which
he had.
(Revelation chapter 13) further mentions an interesting juxtaposition concerning the Antichrist’s successor, as a man who has a kind and gentle image like a
lamb, who would yet speaks like a dragon.
This Second Beast makes the world worship ‘the image’ of the Antichrist,
also called the first Beast who precedes him, and he causes all who live upon the earth, to receive the number of that man’s name, to exercise the
privilege of buying or selling. That same number reached as a sum, by counting the number of his name, being 6 6 6. No numerology is required, as you simply count the number. This is referred to as the mark of the Beast. I am sure you have heard of it.
There is only one significantly powerful man in all of history, whose name sums out as 666 just by counting it. Now please count the number of letters
in this former US President’s name.
There are six letters in RONALD, six in WILSON, and also six in REAGAN.
Reagan is the only ‘world leader’ in all of history, to have a birth name
like that.
Ronald Wilson Reagan clearly was an ‘image President’. The most
popular (President) in US history, he was and is still, virtually worshiped by his many followers. The recent withdrawal by CBS of a TV program about Reagan, as a result of pressure from his loyal admirers, bears testimony to this.
It was his successor Bush senior, who used his CIA and BIG OIL connections to make him so popular, resulting in the virtual worship of Reagan’s ‘image’. I believe Bush picked Reagan as a figurehead, because of his charisma and (his previously) existing popularity. Hitler was chosen in much the same way, and for similar reasons, by the (very) predecessors of the same people.
Reagan was referred to by many as The Great Communicator, for his notable
eloquence.
Reagan was mortally wounded while in office, and he astonished the world
when he survived it.
Reagan was also succeeded immediately, by a tough talking man with a kind and
gentle “lamby” image. George H. W. Bush, who even ran on the platform of “a kinder gentler America”, (even as he) talked tough of war and then declared war on Iraq. All (of this is) just as predicted in both Revelation and the Old Testament book of Daniel. His son (George W) now carries on the agenda at his (dad’s) direction.
Revelation also states, the Second Beast, would call down fire from heaven. Bush and his son have been raining fire down, all over the world.
Here is another thing you may not know.
Reagan during his first term as President, established diplomatic relations
with The Vatican. This was in stark defiance of the Constitution, and that really upset allot of people. For such abrogated the very cornerstone of the US Constitution, the separation of Church and State.
Reagan next expanded our Social Security number from 9 to 18 digits. If you don’t believe me, look at any (early) post Reagan era Social Security card. There you will find the usual 9 digits on the front, and an additional ‘new’ 9
digits on the back printed in red. You cannot legally have a job, or a bank
account without it, since the Reagan administration.
The US Federal government has long said eventually we will have to go
cashless, and all transactions will then be by debit card, to counteract
counterfeiting and terrorism. By Federal law, enacted by Reagan during his Presidency, all Electronic Funds Transfer accounts, debit (and credit) cards etc., must use your Social Security number as your account number. The digits are scrambled to protect your identity, but it is your Social Security number.
Surely in “response to terrorism”, this plan shall move forth quickly.
This article Copyright © 2003 by by Natasha Thompson. Used with permission.
Would ‘ohgoodgrief’ (OGG) and ‘Joseph W. Schultz’ (JWS), PLEASE take their childish argument to email, or something!
thank you
Natasha,
Can you quit soliciting your written works then?
Joe wrote: “I know, some Christian churches preach that Jesus is the son of some god while others preach that he is merely the son of some deity.”
My mistake. It should read: “I know, some Christian churches preach that Jesus is the son of some god while others preach that he is God.”
Yes, the omniscient Joe sometimes errs.
Natasha, it is obvious that your posts are of utmost importance and we lessor mortals’ posts are not. But please indulge us. In time we shall be as forum-savvy as your highness.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the childish behavior of the name calling COWARD. Shame, shame. Such selective behavior on your part.
Now I’ll sit back and read all of your prior words of wisdom. –jws
BTW, Natasha, this forum is “something”, no?
Everyone is allowed to offer their insights relevant to the subject at hand.
Name calling, pointless circular arguments and personal invective, are however not relevant to the subject at hand, and such serve only to hinder the ongoing discussion.
So once again, I ask those who wish to argue and get personal, to take their argument somewhere else.
The Totse link to my article is back up finally. I have never seen Totse go down before. I am not saying they haven’t before. But this is the first time I have seen it happen. Maybe they had a buffer overflow attack or something.
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
Now that was a very polite way of admonishing those who engage in off-topic diversions. Good girl, Natasha!
Now, let’s see. The subject is whether or not Ron Paul is a Mason. Hmmm, what has that to do with “The Fourth Reich; The New World Order.”by Natasha Thompson?
Oh, I see, you’ll show the relevancy in one million words or less. I stand corrected. Carry on… –jws
Inconvenient, I read your last post to xTo.
Right On.
Crawling with truth will get you closer to the Throne than adhering to civil, political, and societal rules.
I don’t recognize the spirit of sabotage in your words.
Fraud Paul mocks the truth with his stance against those that know the official story of 9/11/01 is easily proved false.
He had a chance to be a light unto the world and he failed.
He, just like the “movement for freedom”, is a fraud and totally ireelevant.
We are born with sovereignty, individually, not collectively.
In this day and age, freedom will only be expressed individually.
Those that know their unalienable rights, and DEMAND they be recognized have a chance at freedom.
Those waiting for the collectivists to bring freedom to individuals are wating for that which will never happen.
One individual acting as an informed lawful jurer
can do more to bring an end to the tyranny of the plunderers than the “movement for freedom” can ever hope to accomplish.
Jury nullification, the only honest revolution.
I’m free
I was born with sovereignty.
I realize that I have rights and I’ll declare them independently.
I’m free to speak.
If I have life then I have liberty.
I’m free to pursue that which makes me so happy.
what all you fail to remember is what he says and how he votes and that’s still good.
Ron Paul’s own words makes it clear that he supports the official 911 conspiracy theory, and he also ridicules those who contradict it with the facts.
Some claim that RP had to compromise the truth, in order to remain electable, and if true this only shows that he is willing to both compromise and speak deceptively, to get what he wants.
The ends never justify the means, and I could never trust anyone who thinks that they do.
Both Ross Perot and Ron Paul would make fine presidents. They both have heart. Evidence leads me to believe none of the current candidates have heart.
George Bush has heart, unfortunately it’s saturated with oil and the beating thereof cannot be heard.
Hillary never had a heart. It is also rumored that green blood surges through her veins.
Then there’s Obama. Sinclair shall be his downfall before it’s over. He is also accused of being responsible for stopping the heartbeat of another. This will all come out in the major news media after he is nominated.
McCain lost his heart after he was shot down and made prisoner: tis the signs of the times when a Manchurian Candidate can also be a presidential candidate.
Oh, Lord, where is Barry Goldwater when he is needed so desperately? ;-)
We live in precarious times and we need a national leader with heart.
It is also quite evident that Ron Paul will not be president.
I guess he’ll just have to go back to casting Masonic spells on his detractors. He’s certainly doing a fine job in this forum… –jws
YES CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. PERSONALLY I DON’T CARE ABOUT ANY OF YOUR FLIPPING JIBBER JABBER. NATASHA PLEASE STOP SPAMMING YOUR LOONY ASS ARTICLES.
ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS IF RON PAUL IS A FREEMASON.
SIMPLE THATS IT. THATS ALL WE WANT TO KNOW. WHERE’S THE AUTHOR OF THE BLOG WITH MORE EVIDENCE?
“Jury nullification, the only honest revolution.”…yeah, and one that very few juries ever learn about.
You can “crawl with truth” all you want – if you’re not going to follow the rules of the game, you’re going to be thrown out.
Why?
Easy – because you can tell all the truth you want, but once you break those rules, others have a weapon to be used against you – and they’ll use it.
Not only will they take that opportunity, but you’re not going to be able to prevent them from doing so, as they have 50+ years experience in playing the game, and you are a 25 year old nobody that was just made a mockery of on national television.
Closest anyone ever got to “force” against that MIGHT have been David Koresh, but, well, he slipped on a technicality and the ATF killed him once they got the chance.
Assert yourself all you want, you can “know your rights” all you want, but if you’re not going to play by the rules of the big boy game, you’re going to lose.
That’s not because you could not win, that’s because you literally skipped ahead a couple of spaces in a game of chess in a single mood – the other player noticed (especially since they have resources tracking their opposition like that and YOU DON’T), and you were mockingly disqualified.
Happens every time.
Ron Paul’s playing the game pretty well, in my humble opinion. If you think any of you could play it any better, I urge you to step up and do so.
Speaking as an American citizen, Ron Paul speaks truth to power. Speaking as a 9/11 first responder, Ron Paul is open to the request that so many people that question the official story of 9/11 can make.
I can’t think of any other politician that could pull off anywhere near what RP has pulled off in his career.
If you think you’d do any better, then run, yourself.
– xTo
I believe that truth, in and of itself, is very powerful. I also believe that had RP adhered to the truth and refused to compromise, he would have been successful in his bid for the US Presidency.
As it stands now though, such a clear demonstration of moral relativism on RP’s part, by supporting the official 9/11 conspiracy theory” to remain electable”, strongly contradicts everything he claims to stand for.
Whether or not he is a secret Mason, surely is a fascinating consideration, and it is quite ironic that his willingness to ‘play the game’ and contradict everything he claims to stand for in the process, is also that which lends plausibility to it.
The bottom line remains this. Ron Paul has shown himself to be a mere politician and not the uncompromising Statesman he claims to be. That he may also be a secret Mason, while fascinating to ponder, in my mind take a back seat to these things.
PS
Would the MEGAPHONE crowd please stop with the personal attacks upon me already? Please take your own advice by sticking to the subject being discussed. Maybe, you could try taking Totse down again, or something.
He doesn’t support the 9/11’s out loud b/c the other 9/10 of the population that isn’t crazy would never allow him any votes if he did. Allow him to get in and then he can run his agenda… pretty simple really…
i suspected there was an agenda… his insistence on a gold backed curreny ..placed right into the hands of the Vatican , who two keys to of their power is the ocntrol of silver and gold ..look at the symbolsim ..
if he is an hinest money theorist he should be exposing the use if a decentralised localised colonial scrip currency, the aboliiton of which was teh main cause of the american revolution as cited bybenjamin franklin
What I’m saying is that RP DOES “support the 9/11’s” by being open to a new investigation – as a politician, regardless of what he believes, personally, that is the most he can provide. If you were playing the political circuit, your professional reaction would be to choose on whether you support a new investigation or not, yourself.
He is a politician AND an uncompromising statesmen – he certainly knows the rules of the political game, and he knows where NOT to intrude (how could he honestly say that 9/11 was or was not an inside job without the new investigation? He’s a doctor, not a physicist.)
Is any other presidential candidate even close to agreeing to that? I think not.
Could you explain the physics about how and why 9/11 was an inside job?
How many people here are engineers or scientists and could unequivocally show, publically and professionally, that they have the authority over such a matter?
Unless Steven Hawking is in this crowd, I think nobody.
And you shouldn’t expect Ron Paul to do so, either, because he’d be lying to you if he did.
– xTo
Well Stated xTo!
hmmmm
Could it be that “certain interests”, just cannot stand the very idea of having “a schvartze” in the white house? Not that I think that Obama represents any sort of change. But this could be why some are still fanning the smoldering embers of the RP campaign.
What could better help the Manchurian candidate’s chances?
Such is all RP was ever meant for IMO.
We could speculate on anybody being a Manchurian Candidate, but that’s what the story of the Manchurian Candidate provided – speculation in case somebody real ever showed up on the political stage.
Sure, there’s always the possibility, but there’s the possibility that he’s not and because you know the story, you don’t believe RP to be true, but then there’s always the possibility that he is but he’s trying to pretend that he’s not…(this list of speculation could go on forever).
My advice: look at his voting record and go meet him in real life somewhere. He’s a decent guy. I met him in Grand Central once. We BS’d for a minute about the Fed and the IRS and I asked him to sign a business card of mine for my roommate because she’s a fan.
He’s the type of guy I could probably invite over for a bbq, have a couple beers with and watch a documentary or two. He’s intelligent, but he listens, and that’s pretty hard to find, even in non-politicians.
What I liked most about him was that, even though we spoke about how I’m not religious, etc., he didn’t evangelize to me. That’s some respect.
– xTo
Its about time for some common sense with regard to presidential hopefulls.
If anyone here thinks any human is knowledgeable in all matters of state, there is something fundamentally wrong with their thinking.
None of the current candidates have knowledge of all the ins and outs of running a country. Heaven forbid that a voter in his or her right mind thinks any candidate is omniscient.
No. The quality (perhaps the single quality) that a candidate must have is the ability to gather around him/her people with specialized skills in the many and diverse agencies of government.
For too long we have been a nation ruled by the whims of men and not by Constitutional law. It is time for voters to discern this truth and vote for a candidate who understands that he or she will become the temporary guardian and defender of our Constitution.
There are so many presidential pronouncements that carry the force of law that our Constitution has been lost sight of — equally, by Congress, the Supreme Court and our current and past presidents.
To vote one’s conscience is to vote for that person who most agrees with one’s philosophical ideals. But (and this is important), that candidate must reside in an office that is respectful of our Constitution. Anything less is a mockery of the men and women who gave their lives protecting our Constitution. –jws
I think it obvious that the entire “democratic party strategy”, is solely intended to assure, that the Manchurian candidate is elected.
I mean think about it. So soon after 9/11, they have a black man, in a racist country, with a Muslim father who just happens to have Hussein as a middle name, as the current “democratic” front runner?
The other non choice, is an obviously insincere and duplicitous, elitist, self serving feminazi shrew.
Clearly this farce of a Presidential horse race, is meant to further divide and weaken our society, and along with it they intend to get another globalist republican Antichrist Zionist in the oval office, against all odds. That they will succeed at this, just terrifies me, because clearly the powers that be are able to make the American people think whatever they wish them to think.
With my last post in mind, whom do you think would be the best guardian of our Constitution?
John, the manchurian Candidate?
Barak, the Great Black hope?
Hillary, the Micro Manager?
Ron, the suspected Freemason?
Seems like a straight-forward question.
Or, shall we do a Candidate Nullification and keep the Decider in office another four years? –jws
Natasha,
How do you function in every day society? Do you wear a tinfoil hat? Do you have a lock on your coffee? Do you write everything in cyphers? Just wondering…
xTo
Though you are well spoken, and I both value and respect your contribution to this discussion; I must say that the very idea that RP “may just be pretending to think this or that”, out of some wizened “new” strategy, to be a very weak argument indeed.
I am sick to death of politicians, whose idea of Statesmanship, is really naught but statecraft. The ring going to those most subtle and crafty, who offend the least amount of people, while appealing to a greater majority.
This is the way it has been, for far too long, and such is nothing new at all.
RP should have taken a chance and shown us proper respect, by speaking plainly and honestly, of that which he truly believes and stands for. No amount of apology can ever make up for his failure to do so.
xTo, thank you for your many opinions that I’m certain you believe are truths.
An individual is all it takes. It does not take an entire jury. Many people are waking up.
Word of mouth, works.
Drop a pebble in the ocean and watch the ripple effect.
So, go tell everyone you know about jury nullification and watch the effect you can have.
Fraud Paul has as much a chance at being elected as I have.
NONE!
He may be playing your game, perfectly, but he is still going to end up a loser.
As an American much older than 25, fraud Paul is totally irrelevant.
As an American much older than 25, the “freedom movement”, like the “truth movement” and the “tax freedom movement” and all other “movements” are frauds and totally irrelevant.
How long have you been playing the game?
Are you really any closer to being free?
The truth makes us free, not the game or its rules!
JWS
There is no one currently either now serving, or running for office of any kind, whom I believe even wishes to restore The Constitutional Republic.
As wrong as I hope I am about this, I am fully convinced, that they are all “in on it”.
The sooner, more of us wake up to this obvious fact of life, then the better off we shall be.
Natasha: He did speak honestly to you. How could he claim that he knows something about 9/11 that he does not?
Unless you are a published physicist, scientist, experienced pilot, etc. how could you claim that you really know anything about 9/11, yourself?
When it comes down to it, I was there, and still – almost 7 years later – there’s so much confusion over it. I’m sure it didn’t fit the official story, but until a new independent investigation happens, I am just a guy, and I can tell you my opinion of how I see it.
I can give you some science and former military experience to back up those beliefs, but I am still, by no means, an authority on such subjects – except for what I experienced when I was down there.
A lot of people are sick of politicians. Hell – I’m sick of the whole damn hierarchical structure of our civilization, but I can’t exactly get everybody to overturn it with me, all at once.
To think I could do so would be foolish.
So….baby steps, baby steps…
Ron Paul showed you respect by running and by being open to the idea of actually having a new investigation into 9/11.
Who has shown your ideas more respect than that?
Ron Paul admits that everybody has different cultures and beliefs about the way government should be run, and believes that it should be left up to the local and state governments to decide.
How is any other candidate more respectful than that?
Any debate that speculates about what a person may or may not be is a “weak argument.”
How about we focus on the issue at hand, resolve the fact that we believe different things that are really of no significance at this moment and look at what we have in common:
A) The political process is flawed. Every other candidate besides Ron Paul says the same thing, now, and doesn’t even have any shame in that they are saying the same thing.
B) Our nation is about to go bankrupt – economically from government overspending. No other politician even wants to approach that subject.
C) Our freedoms are being compromised, day by day, by revolting legislation. Our phones are tapped, the DHS, FBI, CIA, etc. can search our houses without warrant, we can be rendered LEGALLY now, by our government and have all 0f our rights stripped away, as we are labelled an “enemy combatant” or one of many other a plethora of labels.
D) The United States of America is about to join a hypervisor that will oversee the USA, Canada, and Mexico as a single nation, and unless we have a president in charge opposed to this, we’re just going to have to take it.
E) The IRS is taking 30% of our paychecks just to deliver it to the cartel of banks known as the Federal Reserve. Again, the only person to even consider opposing this is Ron Paul. Most every other politician in the past that has, in ANY way, done the same has been shot.
How about you take a chance and respect the fact that Ron Paul can not claim to be somebody he is not, and can only do what he knows, professionally, how to do – he’s a medical doctor, and he’s a politician.
The game of politics deals with relying on other people to educate you about what “fact” may be (as nobody could possibly know everything) and weighting your constituency in voting for or against bills relating to that knowledge.
The game of a medical doctor deals with caring about people in ways that you are able to help them alleviate pain, and in some cases, even survive.
He is not a physicist. He is not a Military pilot. He is not a scientist. He is not a published anything, outside of being a published Doctor and Politician.
That he does not claim to be is him respecting the fact that Americans are smarter than him, and him NOT telling lies.
– xTo
This message will be almost completely off-topic so those of you who do not care what I think can now advance to the next message.
Many years ago BTI (Before The Internet) there was a medium called Bulletin Boards. These boards were forums for any topic undern the sun. Local “hubs” would transmit messages from their subscribers to all parts of the world. Not unlike our current email function, but primarily for specialized topics.
At that time I was interested in UFOs so naturally, I gravitated to UFO oriented forums.
In one of these forums, the name Zecharia Sitchin came up and since I had a great deal of knowledge about his books called “The Earth Chronicles”, I was asked to put together a synopsis (in numerous posts) of his writings over a period of time.
Then the Internet exploded with all of its grandeur and someone gathered up all of my posts on Sitchin’s books and deposited them on websites all over planet earth, which now brings me to the point of this post.
I’ve been called many names on this forum mostly by COWARDS who think they know what I stand for.
For those of you (and there will be a few, for various reasons) who would like a glimps of who I am, do a google using the key phrase, “Impressions of the Earth Chronicles”.
You might enjoy some of what I had to say many years ago, BTL –jws
Natasha, it appears we agree on something (heaven forbid), but at least I can disagree with your conclusion: “The sooner, more of us wake up to this obvious fact of life, then the better off we shall be”.
Other than creating a bloody revolution, I see no advantage in “waking up”.
Or, is it a bloody revolution you are actually advocating?
I’ll understand if you have reason not to answer this question. ;-) –jws
audio interview of ron paul where he emphatically states that he is not a member of any secret society…repeted the question and he repeated the answer… lissen for yourself
Jury nullification, the bloodless revolution!
Ah, but did he say he is not a member of a SEMI-secret society?
Words are important — even those not spoken. –jws
Or, shall we do a Candidate Nullification and keep the Decider in office another four years? –jws
When more than 50% of the voting public refuses to cast a vote, candidate and concensus nullification are already evident.
DJ: I’ve been playing the game long enough that I get notified before things happen, as opposed to seeing them happen on the news and being unduly surprised.
You have to know a lot of very diverse people to get that courtesy, and you have to keep your mouth shut when you don’t understand the subject matter at hand.
Does it make me more “free” than you? Yes, actually – it does. You see, when you don’t follow the rules, you tend to stick out. It tends to be extremely obvious, and that makes you an easy target to stay away from. Just following the rules prevents your intentions from being misunderstood, and prevents you from being as tightly controlled and limited.
Not only that, but you tend to meet a lot of very interesting and trustworthy people.
Frankly, I don’t believe that I’d trust many people in this forum, just because of how skeptical of everybody else they are. You can’t be friends that way, and you certainly can’t expect friends like many of the individuals here to be a part of your life if they’re questioning every action you take…I think that’s the point, though – induce unjustified fear – unjustified fear always creates unnecessary internal rebellion.
You know what I’m going to say: unnecessary internal rebellion always leads to the split and eventual collapse of any “movement” toward an idea.
Simple concepts of any exothermic or endothermic system, really.
You make the best case for globalization that I’ve seen, DJ – you argue that simply due to his age, he is irrelevant.
As such, you don’t much care for a document that is over 200 years old – I mean surely it’s older than you, it must be “irrelevant,” right?
So why does it matter that we’re eventually going to be led under a full global governing authority and that we’re going to be chipped?
Heck – RFID is only around 25 to 30 years old (publically). It must be better than that pathetic 200 year old document, right? I mean, it’s new!
*sigh*
Grow up and trust people a little more. They aren’t all out to get you.
While you’re at it, you might want to take a look in the mirror and decide whether you like who you really are or not. Most of the skepticism that one displays toward others is misdirected internal fear.
Natasha – I fell in love with you, but you didn’t know it because I don’t see a reason to treat you differently than anyone else. Keep writing!
DJ – trust people a little. They really are beautiful and wonderful creatures. You just need to look at things from their point of view some time.
JWS – you’re the forum’s catalyst, it seems. Or at least you were mine.
Lloyd – you should speak more often. I bet you have a lot of really interesting ideas on these subjects.
To anyone I missed, I apologize as I had probably not interacted with you much (I didn’t feel like looking through the entire thread all over again).
**hugs**
Have fun!
– xTo
(p.s. – I may or may not check this forum again. Ron Paul’s book was a good read, by the way.
Regardless of what you think of me, I’d probably fall in love with you in real life, so long as you have a passion. People are, generally, nice.)
In general people are good. You’re right though, they hate what they don’t understand. Hate from fear of the unknown, and ignorance.
“You make the best case for globalization that I’ve seen, DJ – you argue that simply due to his age, he is irrelevant.
As such, you don’t much care for a document that is over 200 years old – I mean surely it’s older than you, it must be “irrelevant,” right?” xTo
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I’m sorry you did not understand my post, xTo.
I’m the one much older than 25, and it has nothing to do with fraud Paul being irrelevant.
Fraud Paul is irrelevant because he mocks the truth, publically.
Go re-read my posts and you will see I in no fashion proclaim the republic’s constitution to be irrelvant.
Quite the contrary.
Reading retention, xTo, it is a beautiful and wonderful skill. You simply must try a little harder to comprehend what you are reading, okay?
I can only hope you understand these words I have come to love and trust…
“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
I apologize DJ – I did misunderstand your post.
Re-reading it, I agree with you. Ron Paul is irrelevant, individually. Even he has stated this himself.
I do not agree with you that he “mocks the truth,” however, and I would like to know why you think that he does.
I think he’s quite right that he does not and can not believe that “9/11 was an inside job” – he does not have the credentials to approach the subject matter.
If you have the credentials to approach such broad subject matter, then why do you suspect that he would, as well?
Didn’t anybody tell you, DJ? There is no such thing as “free” in this world anymore, and it’s not even attainable at this point in human evolution (nor would it be, even if everybody on Earth revolted against the current positions of power).
The best you can hope is that you could convert this nation into the partial sanctuary that it once was, and people will be content in thinking that they are free, even as they elect more oppressive leaders.
Failing that, you should have friends that you can trust, because that’s all that’s left.
That’s to be said for anything now, really.
You can get Ron Paul elected, and that’s the closest you’ll ever get.
What more do you expect?
– xTo
There is NO source, therefore the claim is complete HERESAY. I could say ron paul eats live babies, but guess what, if there is no source their is no proof, and no claim.
I see you deleted my earlier comment merely pointing out what I just said. It is pretty obvious we either have a kid here spreading rumors or a disinfo hack. Take your pick folks
Once again, thank you for your many opinions.
One does not need “credentials” to be able to discern truth from lies,xTo.
The official story told by those running around calling themselves “government” and parroted by those calling themselves “media” is easily proved false.
Many people that possess reading rentention skills have come to the same conclusion.
Those of us with a finely tuned bullsh*t meter began exposing the official 9/11 Muslim conspiracy theory from day one.
Fraud Paul, however, has this to say:
FAUX NEWS:Many of your supporters call themselves 911 Truthers. They believe that the U.S . government was in some way complicit with the 911 attacks or covered it up. Are you prepared tonight to either embrace that rhetoric or ask those supporters to abandon it or divorce themselves from your candidacy?
Ron Paul: I can’t tell people what to do but I’ve abandoned those viewpoints. I don’t believe that. That’s the only thing that’s important, so I don’t endorse anything they say ..but I would like to take an opportunity to talk about the issue that we’ve been debating here the last 20 minutes …( next words are unintelligible )
Faux News: Sir, would you ask them to cease..
Ron Paul: Pardon me?
Faux News: Would you ask them to cease that rhetoric tonight on your behalf?
Ron Paul: Well, it doesn’t do me any good so if they care about me they should . But the only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say . I can’t tell them what to do. So I don’t endorse what they say and I don’t believe that.. so please could I participate in the current debate?
There you have it.
Fraud Paul does not believe nor endorse anything but the official 9/11 Muslim conspiracy theory, according to his own words.
“The real advantage which truth has, consists in this, that when an opinion is true, it may be extinguished once, twice, or many times, but in the course of ages there will generally be found persons to rediscover it, until some one of its reappearances falls on a time when from favorable circumstances it escapes persecution until it has made such head as to withstand all subsequent attempts to suppress it.”
–John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (1859)
Michael – If more people in the world acted like Masons there’d be a lot more fucking douche bags. (“Welcome to the club #908. You have joined the sacred order of the stonecutters who, since ancient times, have split the rocks of ignorance that obscure the light of knowledge and truth… Now lets all get drunk and play Ping Pong!!!” ~Patrick Stewart) The one’s who haven’t figured out yet that there’s much more worldly potential to it than just kickin it with the boys in their secret clubhouse, and who haven’t figured out how to climb the ladder into the true mysteries, are the ultimate petty ignoramuses who don’t get it and are therefore consequently duped into believing that they are somehow doing good in the world by ultimately letting themselves be brainwashed with the ideals of an ancient religion originally taught by the mystery schools of the ancient world and re-packaged for the contemporary cultural and social environment of our modern civilizations as well as being encoded into nearly every holy book of every religion we’ve ever been given. The one’s who don’t figure that out and continue to indulge in Masonry simply for the opportunities it allows them to “cheat” at society are the most lowly and despicable human garbage on the face of the planet.
“And somehow, all of the sudden, all of these guys who have always done everything exactly the same as everyone else have virtue.” ~Alan Watt
Here is Ron Paul giving a Masonic handshake to Bill Maher and Ben Afleck…
JWS
No, I do not advocate revolution, and really I am sure, that any attempt at such, would only hasten the advancement of their agenda.
xTo, and all the rest of you.
I wish you all well.
I may be back one day.
Until then.
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/thefourthreich172250.html
i like the 5 photos in a line across the top of your site showing the results of what seems to be proving to be the nuclear demolition of the entire WTC complex.
100% agreement regarding 9/11.
The social silence on 9/11 is damning. Politicians are not the main guilty parties here.
I personally watched an MIT professor of structural engineering on BBC supporting the b.s. of the fires. One can excuse a corporate whore such as a congressman or an editor for acting stupid, as they may well be stupid.
But, when the technical and professional elite actually stomach the lies — just think of all the unnecessary structural insulation that will now be specified for building codes due to LIES about 9/11 — then you know something is REALLY wrong in America.
And the source of this disease in our society is THE MASONIC ORDER of which these same treasonous professionals and technologist are all, likely, members of.
CCP and MAO had the village chapter and this pervasive penetration into society is one reason China and CCP never had a counterpart to KGB.
They didn’t need one …
It still stands that this so-called “article” is pure crap which provides not a shred of evidence.
These comments are full of belly-achers who are upset that RP didn’t trump their cause for them. I can’t blame him. The “truth movement” has come up with a hundred different theories on who, how and why the towers were brought down. If RP had given even the slightest hint of supporting that “movement” the media would have jumped all over him. Every theory a “truther” has ever come up would have been pinned on RP as a belief of his. Instead of smear stories calling him racist there would have been smear stories calling him a racist who thinks reptilian aliens with laser weapons dealt the final blow to the towers, after the planes laden with additional explosives, thermite, thermate, cutter charges, micro nukes, and pulse weapons first weakened them.
Get a grip! He’d be committing political suicide with a move like that. RP was absolutely right when he said of the truthers, “they’re doing nothing good for me.” Get over yourselves. The truth movement isn’t even a cohesive one. Who wants to back a movement that doesn’t even know which direction it’s moving in? Why should he state that he believes what the truthers say when there’s a new flipping theory every day?
Gee… perhaps a thorough investigation could turn up some real answers! And that’s exactly what he called for.
You knuckleheads aren’t wise enough to understand the practicality or importance of such maneuvering in politics. Calling for a new investigation and leaving it at that was the best thing he could have done for your movement. Instead you react like a bunch a crybabies. WAHH, RP said he doesn’t believe us!!! WAHH!! You shot yourselves in your collective foot.
I don’t see anyone asking fraud Paul to trump anything in this forum.
I also don’t see anyone proclaiming to be part of any “truth movement”.
Fraud Paul denied the truth in a public forum and that ended any chance he might have had of getting the rebuttlickins nomination.
He made himself totally irrelevant when he denied the truth, not the fraudulent “truth movement”!
Finally, I don’t see fraud Paul asking for any investigations by saying, and I quote: “I don’t believe that. That’s the only thing that’s important, so I don’t endorse anything they say …”
Not endorsing anything does not equal fraud Paul calling for a real investigation.
In fact, one saying, I DON’T ENDORSE ANTHING THEY SAY, means he does not agree with all the many in the fraudulent “truth movement” calling for a “new investigation”.
Sorry, fraud Paul doomed himself with his very own words.
Personally, I don’t know if nukes were involved, but the purpose of the photo is to hit home the fact that the ‘aftermath’ of 9/11 is a new era in tyranny, high crimes, treason, globalism and perpetual war. 9/11 was the excuse they needed to do their ‘Great Work’, the Masonic New World Order.
One thing should become clear to any researcher into the occult theocracy: that all the major institutions including religion, government, police departments, courts, education, corporations, banking, Hollywood, the military and on and on and on are all controlled by Masons and aristocratic and papal orders of one kind or another (York Rite, Scottish Rite, Templars, Rosicrucians, Bonesmen, Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Jesuits, B’Nai Brith etc, etc, etc and their spinoffs).
The second thing a researcher will realize, from talking to the general public, is that they do not have even the slightest inkling about any of it, much less about their appendent organizations like CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral etc, much less that we are all born into a Masonic Matrix system that is festooned with Masonic (Cabalistic) symbols everywhere you look, and punished if we question it. This is by design of course, to keep the general public in a state of total ignorance whereby they remain a pliable and easily manipulated.
So naturally, when anyone dares to point to the 600lb gorilla in the middle of the room, or reveal that the Emperor Has No Clothes, they are going to be jumped on and vigorously attacked as I am continuously by the Masons and their useful idiots.
By virtue of the fact that we are a Masonically-controlled society, and that most Masons in high places prefer to keep their membership a secret (at least until after their deaths) lest the sheep become restless, I have every right to speculate that Ron Paul, a lifer politician going for the highest Masonic office in the land, who appears to have Masonic connnections, who is the number one choice among Freemasons nationwide, IS a freakin Mason himself. It is logical to assume that the probability is high that he is a Mason or at least an inductee into any number or similar groups. I have never stated categorically that he IS a Mason, only that I was about 90% sure based on all the factors pointing to it.
The moment I opened my mouth about Ron Paul, I was immediately attacked by Masons and mason-friendly useful idiots. And it goes on. Oh I am not complaining about it at all. I actually like it because then the Enemy exposes himself. So bring it on.
Go ahead and keep attacking me because you expose yourselves for what you are. Nothing but scum, shielding the real Illuminati, the occult theocracy, diverting attention away from it or even claiming that the elite are our saviors. Yeah that’s a good one. Haha.
You are not only a COWARD, pj, you are a paranoid COWARD.
People do not attack you, they justifiably defend themselves against your childish diatribes.
You remind me of the story about the lad who killed both of his parents and then asked the judge for mercy because he was an orphan.
Are you that orphan? –jws
JWS,
As I said, you expose yourself with every breath. So just keep on talkin baby. As you already revealed, you are a mason-friendly occultist and apologist for RAW and Aleister Crowley. Your brother is a 33rd degree mason (speaks volumes!), you been tapped for induction but you don’t believe in a god, however you would fit right in at the OTO or the Grand Orient. I am sure you will reveal more about yourself, so drone on, drone on. Let’s hear more about your occult connections.
Not so, COWARD. You are the one who exposed his balls — right here in plain sight.
I do have a question though. Are you that 24 year old Timothy or were you just posting on his blog? I’m trying to research you on the net. I’m with the thought police and your name keeps popping up. –jws
How many times do I have to tell you JWS, you can’t help exposing yourself. You really should stop, but you can’t help it can you? That’s right, you are part of the Though Police, protecting the Illuminati by attacking me. And as I said, I not complaining because you demonstrate that you are the Enemy with every statement that you make. Loads of fun!
Thought Police Officer JWS,
You aren’t going to dig up any dirt on me because my record of fighting the information war against the Illuminati elite is impeccable. The only dirt you are going to find is in your own thoughts, words and deeds as I hold up a mirror to your face.
I am not ashamed of who I am, COWARD.
Allow me to reveal somewhat of myself. Then see if you can do the same.
I was born when FDR was in office. I married my childhood sweetheart, served and was wounded in the Korean “conflict”, was a brick and stone mason since 1951, learned to fly single-engine planes and have been a pilot since 1960. I belong to no organization. However I was an ordained minister for many years. I have studied psychology, philosophy, political science, eastern and middle eastern history, Sumerology, occultism, architecture (built my first house in 1959 where my lovely wife and I raised six great children). I have also studied music (to date I have written over four hundred pieces of music. I am proficient in several musical instruments including piano and an assortment of stringed instruments).
I am retired with my wife of 55 years in Arizona. We have six grown children (the oldest will be 53 years of age in November), 14 grandchildren, several great grandchildren. My son is a professor of Criminal Justice at an Arizona College. I am a strict Constitutionalist, I detest almost all politicians.
I attest that all of the above is true and I will put up my entire savings to anyone who can prove otherwise and they shall be my servants for the rest of my life if they can’t.
Signed: Joseph W. Schultz
Now, Mr. COWARD, let me see your biography.
History lesson. Every time a vile regime raises its head the first thing they do is kill off Masons and ban masonic lodges and masonic meetings. Guess why? Masons are clear thinkers with morals and ethics they do not cater to any religion or ideology except how to better mankind. When Rudyard Kipling went to India he was a masonic brother with Hindi, Muslim, christians, buddists, shiks, ect. They were brothers of the lodge. BROTHERS. Masons are idealists, philanthrophists, and forward thinkers. They value freedom, liberty and bettering mankind. While everyone else points the finger and judges, hates and says that their right over someone elses beliefs. Religion is ridiculous. Religion has gotten us where we are today. Screwed. God is in everyone and we are all brothers and sisters on this planet. Period. I don’t give god a name. He is GOD. Religion was made to control and tax us period, and to instill fear in people so they could bow down to the churches they created. THAT MAN CREATED. GOD is in everything. Masons understand this. Thats why masons ask you if you belive in god. They dont ask you if you belive in Religion. Religion is made by MAN. GOD is in each and every one of us. We are spiritual. We are all connected and from the SAME place spiritually. Masons understand this. Masons belive in peace, brotherhood and advancing humankind. They stood for this country when it was formed, they wrote our constitution, they led the french revolution. They were forward thinkers. Now the assholes in charge of the world. IE the bankers and corporate lackeys and politicos want power and money and to enslave us. They are not true masons. Stop judging the minority as the whole. Politicians suck. Our goals as human beings should be “What are you doing to improve the human race and make the world a better place to live.” Instead of How much money am I going to get from my lobbiests to put nuclear waste in my moms back yard?
Politicians: BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY CORPORATE INTERESTS.
The Libertarian movement is becoming the Tower of Babel. No one can agree to unite and press on because you are too busy quibbling and trying to discredit each other.
For the sake of us all, unite on the U.S. Constitution and move FORWARD. So far, Ron Paul is the only viable candidte fighting for the U.S. Constitution. I don’t care if he is a masturbating, cape wearing pope from Mars. Move FORWARD, fools.
psst… psst… hey you… yes you… Mr. COWARD.
I’m still waiting for that biography. I know you’re there, hiding behind that keyboard.
Expose your well publicized balls and show the world your biography.
Don’t be shy. It may prove to be an interesting biography.
You now know a little of me.
Peek out from that keyboard and show me something about you. There has to be something worth reading…
psst… psst… –jws
Think about how much might have been achieved with the brain power wasted on this thread, my time included. Prime example of why freedom will die. The freedom fighters are too busy fighting each other.
Oh, go run for president, Mr. Bill! Don’t you know that human beings are in their natural habitat when combatting each other?
War is the norm — peace is the aberation! –jws
…still waiting, Mr. COWARD.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt — you’re probably writing a long biography and here am I complaining that it isn’t forthcoming in a timely manner. I’ll look in on this forum later and I’m sure I’ll be pleasantly surprised… -jws
So if people found out Jordan Maxwell was a Freemason initiate would that destroy his credability?
Michael–when you said the Masons led the French Revolution–how do you mean precisely? The initial Revolution evolved into the Terror, which ultimately culminated with the Napoleonic Wars and Empire and etc. I’m not being critical–I was just wondering about clarification?
Sgr,
Is Jordan Maxwell a Freemason? What rite and what degree?
Judge a man based on his actions. The founding Fathers were masons. If you use the logic that all masons are evil, I guess you could apply that logic to the Jews as well.
Masonic Occult Agent Provocateur Military Thought Police Intelligence Officer: JWS,
Oh no, I am not providing you with a dossier of my personal information so you can file a report with your commu-fascist bi-sexual boyfriends at the Masonic Total Information Temple of Homeland Security, but you have been giving it all out (consciously and unconsciously) for all of us to see, so that is your own doing, and I am sure it is somewhat vetted and polished for public consumption, in case some mason-friendly agent decides to option your heroic *cough* story for the movie of the week. But I see through you unfortunately.
Maybe I should have warned you, but that would have taken the fun out of it wouldn’t it? Because this is my turf, I have very graciously allowed you to say whatever crap you want to say here, both to me and your Masonic buddies like Lloyd there. But just be forewarned, everything you say can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion. I guess due to alzheimers, you forgot that part, but no matter.
Oops! But it’s really kind a too late to cover your tracks isn’t it? You see, you already gave yourself away as a mason-friendly occultist who loves RAW and Aleister Crowley, who distributes UFO/Alien disinformation, who advocates “bloodly revolutions” as an obvious agent provocateur, who is proud to have lived during Knights of Pythias traitor FDR’s administration, who says his involvement in 33rd degree Mason Truman’s made-to-be-lost globalist UN police action Korea makes him a hero, who thinks being a private pilot makes him something so very special above other men, who has read a bunch of worthless books, who has spawned a very large brood of equally masonically-inclined pod-people, who has been tapped for induction into the ‘secrets’ and whose brother is a 33rd degree dirtbag, but now everything you say further will just dig you in deeper into the muck that you yourself created along with your Masonic friends with whom you will take it laughing all the way to the grave that is rapidly approaching. And you are so proud of participating in the Novus Ordo Seclorum too by the looks of it. It is repulsively sick, sick, sick, but I will say absolutely exquisite for the purpose of exposing what you are. An old doddering Masonic snake in the grass trying to get in a few last licks for the Illuminati before he expires. Lovely, Just lovely.
I love to watch you squirm JWS, the way you can’t help reacting and exposing yourself. I really do! I can’t begin to tell you how much fun this is! If you could only be in my shoes for a second, you would understand.
So please, by all means, keep on attacking, smearing, belittling the Truth and thus exposing yourself. I know you can’t help but do it because you are such an arrogant old Masonic moron, so bring it on. Tell us more about your Masonic occult connections and how you and your boyfriends have enjoyed their prosperous time in the sun and absolutely fucked the future generations up the ass. We are all dying to know about it!
By the way, you are the real coward and slave because you never had the courage to break free from your Masonic masters. Never forget that. I am also sure I have done way more hard, sweaty, dirty, physical labor than you ever dreamed of doing. So quit pretending you are some kind of stud. It’s a joke, especially at your age.
Here’s an interesting site on “Famous Non-Masons.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/infamous.htm
I was surprised to find that Santa Anna (the one who fought the battle of the Alamo) might not have actually been a Mason.
There is also a dispute as to whether Crowley was a Mason.
Check out the site, it’s interesting reading. –jws
Another very interesting article on the defenders of the Alamo:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Texas-the-Alamo-and-Freemasonry&id=1089975
The COWARD will be amazed and stunned at the names of the men who defended the Alamo. –jws
As Bugs Bunny would say, “Be vewy careful, COWARD, there are evil Masons lurking behind evwee twee and they have their eyes on you, you wascal wabbit hater”. (Bugs is also a 33 Degree Mason with the Wabbit Hole Lodge in Hollywood, CA.) –jws
“Masonic Occult Agent Provocateur Military Thought Police Intelligence Officer: JWS,”
I have to apologize, COWARD. Being the head of the newly formed Thought Police Bregade, adjunct of Discordian Lodge #666, my investigations have revealed that you haven’t a valid thought in your head.
And one more thing, COWARD: you have my permission to ban me from your site any moment the heat becomes to much for you. I have a very full agenda without visiting your venom filled establishment.
Til that fatal moment, this is the O.T.O. Thought Police Agent residing in and signing out from the Demonic Masonic Lodge #666. Hail Eris!
For the sane members of this forum: Wasn’t Boston Legal great tonight?
Good night, COWARD. –jws
Oh yeah, JWS, with your “Hail Eris” bullshit, you reveal your true intentions. Discordian Order Out of Chaos.
You are definitely in the mold of RAW and obviously love the fact that you have helped screw the world over.
Most people don’t know what the hell this is about, but I do.
JWS = piece of crap, just like his buddy RAW and Aleister Crowley
BY THE WAY JWS,
Every time you post something, it reveals more of your agenda, so it is fascinating and I really do appreciate every single word. I have no intention of blocking you in any way. You are absolutely free to incriminate yourself.
Dominic John,
That Faux News clip reminds me of Tim Russert’s query to both Bush and Kerry on Skull and Bones. It sounds remarkably similar the way RP quickly dismisses it and moves onto the next topic.
Never waste my time on trolls, but will add a few comments for any lurkers who may not know. The Dead Sea Scrolls were the greatest archaeological discovery of the 20th century. They curently reside in Jerusalem. Anyone claiming to be in their 70’s was approximately in their alte teens in the years these discoveries were being made, circa 1946-1952. It was in all the papers. So where does that leave us. My opinion – a crackpot troll who spends his life on message boards, hates God, and is trying to confuse the issue by claiming the Dead Sea Scrolls are “a book”. What a pure idiot.
“My opinion – a crackpot troll who spends his life on message boards, hates God, and is trying to confuse the issue by claiming the Dead Sea Scrolls are “a book”. What a pure idiot.”
Another name calling COWARD. Gosh, I’ll have to number them. Lets see, you can be COWARD #2, ogg.
But then you are tilting at windmills.
Why is it that Cristians especially are the ones who spew out such contempt upon their fellow humans? Don’t they know their God is watching them and listening to their every word? Where is “Love thy neighbor” and “Do good in return for evil?”
COWARD #2, do you have a special dispensation from your God to ignore His Word and spew out such venom?
If so, then it is no wonder that so many hate your God (that same God who creates evil).
You also might want to look up the word “book” in your dictionary before you make a complete ass of yourself. (Just a suggestion, COWARD #2.) –jws
COWARD #1 pontificates: “Every time you post something, it reveals more of your agenda, so it is fascinating and I really do appreciate every single word. I have no intention of blocking you in any way. You are absolutely free to incriminate yourself.”
And the heathen Joe replies: We shall see how much heat you can take, COWARD #1. Not subscribing to any religious doctrines, I do not forgive insults to my person. Especially from COWARDS like you. Like a pitbull, I never let go.
I’m quite sure you are a Christian in good standing with your church. But are you in good standing with your God? Remember, He will not be mocked. But above all, remember to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, since it is very apparent that your version is, “Do unto others before they get a chance to do it unto you”. I think you get the point, COWARD #1. –jws
PS. Remember to love your neighbor. Masons are your neighbors too. (And remember the parable about the wheat and the tares.)
Almost missed this one…
“JWS = piece of crap, just like his buddy RAW and Aleister Crowley”
Remember, COWARD #1, “He sees you when your sleeping, He knows when your awake…”.
Be good, for goodness’ sake.
Jesus loves you in spite of COWARDLY ways. –jws
I’ve got to get to bed.
COWARD #1 and COWARD #2, please wait until tomorrow to continue your insults, swearing and rantings and ravings at my person. I promise, I will reply in kind to my new pen-pals!
Goodnight, David — Goodnight, Chet…
JWS,
Ohmygod, you are a piece of work. You don’t believe in God, yet you preach to the Christian about Biblical values.
But that is the way of the Masons, including your friend Lloyd.
Obviously, you are never going to let go of your delusions of grandeur. I can just see you there, on your death bed with a laptop, tapping out your last gasps of Discordian bullshit. It is a pathetic sight to behold.
People, please do look up Discordianism, “Hail Eris” and the rest of that Robert Anton Wilson non-sense. These people are cryptic Masons. Their teaching is designed to flummox and confuse and nothing more. This is what JWS is about and if you value anything good, please do not go down this path of Order Out of Chaos, because it is the path of moral perversion.
And I am not moralizing about sex, but about the value of truth and being a sincere, truth-abiding person. This is something the Discordians seek to destroy in general and something JWS spends his time on endlessly apparently out of an addiction to lies and darkness. He is also addicted to exposing himself, at least in terms of his true beliefs. And I almost feel that it is a cry for help, but because I know he is a con-man, I won’t take it at face value. Even so, there is some part of JWS which wants to come clean and make ammends for his devilishness. That is the only reason I can think of that he continuously exposes his true beliefs here. On one hand he hates me, but on the other hand, he is glad that I allow him to publish the true facts of his lifetime dedication to occultism and lies. These are the confused ramblings of a dying old cryptic Grand Orient OTO style mason in the tradition of Robert Anton Wilson and Aleister Crowley. It is almost tragic to watch, but I can’t help being fascinated at the same time.
But now it is past the old man’s bedtime. The nurse has given him a sedative and he is off to dream land where he will never have to confront the demons that he has allowed to possess his soul. Nighty night JWS, sleep tight and don’t let the demons bite.
So much for an early bed…
“Ohmygod, you are a piece of work. You don’t believe in God, yet you preach to the Christian about Biblical values.”
My dear sir — that is, COWARD #1, biblical values are good values even though they are not unique to the bible and predate the bible.
Look at the lawgiver Hamurabi and see if you don’t agree.
You might want to refresh yourself on those values. It seems you have forgotten them.
And remember, “Hail Eris” is right out of Wilson’s work of fiction. I guess you don’t know the difference between fact and fiction. Gee, for all I know, you may be a BOT. Boy, wouldn’t that put the laugh on me?!
You must not have read my biography. I told you I was an ordained minister for many years. The bible is full of wonderful and decent modes of living the good life. You might want to browse it sometime. It certainly sooths the savage beast.
Did you know your God is a Mason?
–jws
PS Read JOB. So many Masonic symbols there!
I guess, the nurse went off duty and forgot to give him the proper dosage.
It’s alive…it’s alive!
Seriously, he is one of the creepiest people who have ever posted here:
“Do you know your God [your Daddy] is a Mason?” he says….
No JWS, he ain’t my daddy, maybe yours, but not mine.
Yes, JWS, the Bible is Masonic from the get go.
That is one of the things I have been trying to warn people about.
But you see, you and your Masonic buddies try to turn this whole thing inside out into some kind of magical illusion, such that nobody knows which end is up or down. Order Out of Chaos = Hail Eris, etc. So I guess I am asking you to stop being evil and try being normal. Not that I am going to hold my breath. In fact, I expect that you, even in advanced years will continue to promote Discordian bullshit to the people, out of spite if nothing else. and I’m afraid I will just have to keep countering it for the rest of my life if need be. So…that is the unfortunate part that both saddens and angers me about you people.
PJ, Micheal is right above and you are consistently wrong. It’s people like you who bread hate out of fear that are the real problem in the world. You know why RP is preferred by Masons? Not because he may or may not be a Brother, or who his connections are, but because what he votes for and believes in so do we. The Constitution, true freedom. You need to get a clue.
PJ,
I don’t understand why you feel the need to attack people personally. It’s weak and shows your argument has not a leg to stand on. It shows your lack of education and class among other things.
Hey guys, FYI our founding father’s where Freemasons.
Isaac,
I have tried that approach and PJ doesn’t seem to care.
Persecuted COWERD #1 quoted me and then said: ““Do you know your God [your Daddy] is a Mason?” he says….
No JWS, he ain’t my daddy, maybe yours, but not mine.
Now we’re getting somewhere: It is suddenly quite obvious why your mental processes have been stunted; you don’t believe in God and, therefore, cannot be inducted into the Masonic Order.
I finally understand your frustration. Do you remember the moment that you realized you were not qualified to become a Mason? It must have been a traumatic experience. My sympathies are with you, COWARD #1.
There is a cure for what ails you though. No, not a frontal lobatomy, but just as effective.
You must put on your red slippers, click your heels and repeat this mantra, (no, its not a Masonic mantra.) Here it is: “I will not be Dixon.”
Of course, the logic behind this mantra is simple; If you cannot me Mason you will not be Dixon either.
Easy huh? Now repeat this one thousand times a day for three hundred and sixty days and if you are faithful in doing it, your Masophobia will subside enough for you to breathe normally.
You may have the rare, but treatable hard-core type Masophobia so if the above doesn’t work, try the Apache Three Chief mantra. The names of the three Apache Chiefs are: Owah, Tunna, and Siam. You must go out in public and stand on a street corner of your choice and scream out these three Apache Chief’s names in this manner: “OWAH TUNNA SIAM OWAH TUNNA SIAM OWAH TUNNA SIAM.”
This mantra, (very ancient), if done properly, will cure even the most hard-core Masophobe. It will also enlighten you as you realize why everyone who hears you shouting this mantra are laughing so hard… –jws
here’s the deal: imho, the illuminati control both sides of this rigged game.
they created the hegelian dialectic/ problem-reaction-solution.
all bifurcated/split/polar systems lead back to that. the jesuits are the left hand school, the rothschilds the right hand school, and all report to the same hideous master. as i see it, hillary works for the right hand, obama works for the left.
ron paul? who knows, maybe a double agent. i’d like to believe in the fairy tale of constitutional rule of law, but that went out the door in the 1790’s. the rule of fang and claw has swayed ever since. we’ve been grasping at straws ever since. maybe nesara is real; time will tell. without something on the magnitude of nesara, ron paul will be emasculated or assasinated, like andrew jackson, abe lincoln, william jennings bryan, and so many others.
as long as we look outside, as long as we play THEIR GAME, they win. it’s paper or plastic, the ILLUSION of choice, as carlin likes to say.
i dis-identify, realize there are no political solutions to the mystery of the human Heart, and make the choice from the heart, understanding it’s all a game anyway. they’re shadow puppets dancing on the wall, the lot of ’em. jmo.
peace out.
So, the bible is Masonic. Hmm, that means all of its authors must be Masons. And, Satan forbid, Adam, Able, Moses, Abraham, Noah, David, Solomon, Jesus, Peter, Paul and Mary (oops, that’s a folk-singing group), Paul (Saul), All of the Popes and ministers, etc., must be Masons (or subscribe to their ideology too. Wow, there must be millions of closet Masons. All Christians must be Masons. Wow! How can we round them all up and cure them, COWARD #1? Or do you advocate THE FINAL SOLUTION for all Christians?
Gee, I now feel sorry for Ogg. I’ll bet he’s as surprised as I am about your newest disclosure.
Your phobia might be untreatable.
Try a warm water enema. (No, take that tube out of your mouth…)–jws
pjwalker911, I did not see the Russert interview you mentioned.
Sounds like Russert did not pursue the line of questioning until an answer was provided.
As for fraud Paul, it matters not whether he is a card carrying member of the freemasons.
Even if he isn’t, that does not make him less of a fraud.
Tru3, I think you have solved the mystery. It would explain many anomalies. Have you developed this theory any further? I’d like to hear more.
Isaac // May 15, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Hey guys, FYI our founding father’s where Freemasons.
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Issac, perhaps your founders were freemasons, but Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine were most certainly NOT!
FYI, you need to work on your English grammar if you really want to look like a real American.
Tru3,
Did you know the REAL Illuminati were only around for a short time? I suppose you get your facts from a Dan Brown novel.
Perhaps it should be restated as: A portion of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons and America has been on several occasions nicked named “The Great Masonic Experiment”. Was Freemasonry the influence on the way things are setup? We may never know, but were Masons influential in the process? Absolutely.
This is a very good link:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/a_simple_explanation_to_what_is_a_mason.htm
Is there a portion of the people on this earth that are freemasons?
Of course!
It would only stand to reason the same can be said of the signers of the Declaration of Independence.
Was it the freemasons that signed the Declaration of Independence that also brought us jury trials and jury nullification?
Or was it the non-masons that left the ultimate power to the individual?
One freedom loving individual can negate all the time, money and effort spent by the plunderers by simply refusing to convict their next marc.
Now, which one of you self-proclaimed masons want give your collectivist organization the credit for empowering the individual greater than the organizations?
Lloyd, you must know by now that nothing you say in this forum will convince anyone cincerning the benefits of Freemasonry.
While all worthwhile organizations have been infiltrated at some level by truly negative forces (and that includes Masonry) the basic tenents of Freemasonry (as well as a host of other secret/semi-secret societies) are well thought out, decent and honorable, if one is to read through any of their methods and goals. Masonic beliefs are no more subversive than the Boy Scout oath. For a forum to go on this long trying to demonize Freemasonry is proof positive that human beings are as ignorant as they are intelligent. Who is to explain such a paradox? No wonder war is the natural state of human affairs and peace is but the slight pause between said wars.
There are times when I truly wish there was a decent creator God. One who could cure this abomination and cancer in the human psyche… –jws
Hmmm…Lessons in human behavior and the Bible from lying corrupt psychopathic Luciferian conartist servants of the elite. Now that is really sweet.
Yeah I am just about sick of you too Lloyd and JWS and your abuse, but as long as you keep revealing yourselves (probably as an unconscious cry for help), then I guess I will allow you to wallow in your own filth for awhile longer.
Beginning to feel the heat, COWARD #1?
“…for a while longer.”
Oh, thank you Grand PooPah for indulging this unrepentent sinner and allowing me to preach to you for yet a little while.
Now don’t forget to chant: “OWAH TUNNA SIAM” over and over until you become an enlightened COWARD.
And brush more often with Draino… –jws
I see the self-proclaimed masons ignore jury nullification and individual sovereignty.
But we get such gems as: “human beings are as ignorant as they are intelligent.”
And, “no wonder war is the natural state of human affairs…”
Why yes, genius.
Humans are intelligent and humans are ignorant.
Some are as intelligent as others are ignorant.
Is this really intended as some sort of revelation?
Now, on to the other gem…
Warmongers have been declaring that nonsense since before jws was a twinkle in his/her mommy’s eyes.
There is zero truth to it.
Most people despise war and have nothing to do with it.
That is the real sate of human affairs.
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
— Leading Nazi leader, Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg Trials before he was sentenced to death
jws, there is a Creator and the real abomination and cancer known as LIES will come to an end, thereby beginning the healing process so desperately needed!
I’ll bet the masons are so looking forward to the end of LIES!
Demonic John, why do you rant so? Simply do what some others do when they see my name. They move on to the next message.
Be content that Jesus and the atheist COWARD (#1) love you.
If my words offfend you at least shut one eye while reading them.
Peace be unto you, brother sinner. –jws
PS You must be careful not to hurt yourself as you cast stones at others.
PJ,
You’re sounding desperate, at the end of your rope. I have not abused you 1 time.
I’m not ranting, nor casting stones.
Simply bringing the truth, which obvioulsy appears to be ranting and casting stones to they that spread false information.
I don’t care what others do, including you, jws.
I don’t care who does or does not love me.
Your words do not and cannot offend me.
Can real peace come from one that has the audacity to declare war is the natural state of human affairs in a public forum?
I expose, you decide!
Move on, jws, you are way out of your league!
Demonic John pontificates: “Move on, jws, you are way out of your league!”
The Beast 666 answers: Because you say so? I think not.
Rush Limbaugh is the only one who knows the absolute truth (just ask him). How could you possibly bring THE truth anywhere? Even the atheist, COWARD #1 cannot match the great Limbaugh’s truth, which he spews out of his eib microphone every day. Now there’s a big leaguer, my fellow sinner, who is head and shoulders above even the great Sean Hannity. (It is rumored they are both evil Masons.) –jws
To all: Notice that I freely gave my name and much biographical material here for anyone to read.
Ask yourself, will the COWARDS (they, and you, know who they are), do likewise? I think not. COWARDS are afraid of life in general. They are paranoid in many ways (a boogie man behind every tree). They cast aspersions on those whose ideas threaten their political and religious comfort zone. They constantly try to protect their notion of God rather than allow their particular God to protect them. They are easy to spot. They project their faults upon others, thereby thinking others will not see their own faults. But mostly, they are afraid. They fear life and they fear death. So many paradoxes… –jws
Demonic John speaks: “Why yes, genius. Humans are intelligent and humans are ignorant. Some are as intelligent as others are ignorant. Is this really intended as some sort of revelation?”
You have just proven my point. COWARD #1 calls me an idiot and you call me a genius. Which is it? Or can the truth be that ignorance and intelligence can dwell within the same human?
Thank you (and, btw, my IQ is well above genius). –jws
pj,
JWS has obviously shown his belief of “Order out of Chaos”. His major contribution to this thread had been to create chaos and try to establish his own order. I hope some of the chattle have noticed. Though hard to find in the thread of chaos, some interesting points have been made about RP. So what choice is left?
What we really need are intelligent solutions.
BTW, I guess I must say this periodically, I am not a Mason. I do not qualify to be a Mason. I am also not a Masonic sympathizer, they do not need my sympathy. Nor do I belong or subscribe to any organization.
I do not believe in a “good” God (I don’t think there is such a creature) and I certainly don’t believe in a devil.
I do see good and evil being practiced in this world.
My moral attitude seems to parallel much of the Christian ethic but I am no longer a Christian.
My political belief system is much too complicated to explain in this forum.
I have developed a theory on Dynamic Information which is based on my world view in terms of how, where and why intelligent life exists. It is also based on my assumption that there are two types of time: atomic (decay) time and dynamic (non-material) time.
I have written several books (for private consumption) on this theory. Theoretical physics are beginning to catch up to my theory, but they (the physicists) are looking in the wrong place for the answer to this universal question: “Why anything rather than nothing?”
So, there you have it. A little more insight as to who Joseph W. Schultz is. There will be some here who will understand some of what I have said — COWARDS will never understand me until they learn how to embrace both life and death! –jws
JWS, your elitist demeanor screams volumes about you persona.
Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!
Thank you so much, Lou.
He is probably just a porch mason and nothing more.
Sleep tight, all… –jws
Pepper,
You have been reading a lot of books and taking them at face value without using your noggin.
1st, Skull and Bones is Masonic, ie Templar. Bush cabal is deeply involved with masons.
2nd Masons are nothing but students of Kabbalah which is the Masonic Matrix control system behind pretty much everything in the Western world.
3rd The Roman Catholic Templar episode was nothing more than a managed transition into the Roman Catholic Knights of Malta. Today, there are Scottish Rite degrees in both Knights Templar and Knights of Malta. There is no difference between them. They are all the same people at the top, but for the underlings they like to keep you thinking there is a difference just as they like to make you think there is a difference between Rebublicans and Democrats.
4th The Illuiminati (the real ones) are the royal families of this world. They believe they are born to rule over the rest of us because they are inbred psychopaths. They also happen to control both Freemasonry and the Knights of Malta. The supposed division between the Church and Freemasonry is nothing but a mindfuck to keep you in a state of confusion.
5th If Ron Paul is a mason, and everything points in that direction, then he is doing nothing but controlled opposition. The only way to control opposition, is to lead it. Sit with that thought just for a moment, in the context that we are all born into a Masonic Matrix system of total control over the mind of mankind. Of course, you are made to believe that Ron Paul is “our only hope” and for this reason, you gladly abandon all critical thinking and join the Ron Paul cult.
Look, even I did that, so I don’t really blame people for it. I just gradually began to see what I had temporarily allowed myself to believe was not supportable due to evidence to the contrary.
The bottom line is this: the presidential elections are completely and totally managed by the Illuminati. There is no way that a “man of the people” can win it. So even if this “man of the people” won it, he would not be what he claimed to be. It is an illusion created by the Masonic Matrix system. If you go along with it, you yourself are controlled.
I really do not blame you for thinking the way that you do. I just ask you to rethink it and question it a little.
Lou,
JWS has a problem with galloping hubris, a fatal illness if left untreated. You see, he thinks he is a god and that we ought to worship him and his high-fallutin theories about time, space and other Discordian bullshit. He also believes in perpetual war like his Bonesman buddies. He also believes that anyone who disagrees with him MUST be a Christian. Imagine that in the context that he was once a Christian minister himself, but now believes in the Discordian goddess Eris = Order out of Chaos, = the Masonic Motto. He has a very twisted and sick sense of reality, but to each his own I guess. His mental illness had progressed into the netherworld of total psychopathology, yet he has his charming side, which makes him all the more dangerous to the general public and little boys, especially.
Here is a website that non-masophobes will get a kick out of.
http://discordiansociety.org/
“No horse, no wife, no mustache.”
–jws
Here we have the anti-christ of anti-christs. (Beware, neophobes, mesophobes and COWARDS are admonished to stay away from this website. BS detectors are rampant.)
http://www.rawilson.com/main.shtml
Read about the iluminati right from your pc screen, from the master story teller, Robert A. Wilson. To fight the enemy we must get to know the enemy.
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=8RzQPZ9XRi8C&dq=robert+anton+wilson+illuminati&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=qLxJ6afOuc&sig=93bELFOIGbuUfYGS-cuBcvMxVdM#PPA31,M1
This is a great place to learn about the dark side of magick! The Golden dawn is a primer for neophobes and mesophobes. COWARDS beware!
Know your enemy.
http://books.google.com/books?id=kXLAfCBj4boC&dq=the+golden+dawn+book&pg=PP1&ots=e2_ff2mhh9&sig=gLTlLt_IznbwTtJvlcZPb2fgjfk&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fsourceid%3Dnavclient%26ie%3DUTF-8%26rlz%3D1T4RNWN_en__214__215%26q%3Dthe%2Bgolden%2Bdawn%2Bbook&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPR19,M1
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Heat getting to you, COWARD #1?
BTW. I wondered why you chose Ron Paul to dis. He hasn’t got a chance at the nomination. Then it dawned on me: You couldn’t care less about RP. Your real reason for this *and all of your rantings is to dis Freemasonry. So now, I ask you this: If Freemasonry is as evil as you picture it, are you not afraid what their psychic police might do to you? After all, you are a COWARD.
Just wondered… –jws
(will this post await moderation too. ;-))
JWS,
Your comment was automatically suspected as spam by the WordPress system. That is why it was awaiting moderation you paranoid wackjob. Personally, I view all your comments are pure spam, and that is putting it nicely.
JWS,
Your boyfriends in the Masonic Mafia, can try whatever they want with me. I say bring it on, because each time they up the ante, I am going to expose them for it.
You can’t win JWS, so why do you keep beating yor head against the wall. It’s stupid really.
By the way, your boyfriend RAW was neurotic piece of crap whose only mission in life was to shield the Illuminati by way of diversions, bread and circus, stupid jokes, disinformation and outright lies. Finally, he died. Praise Eris!
In fact, I bet he was your twin brother.
JWS,
I never set out to dis Ron Paul. In fact, I set out to support him and that I did as you can see in numerous posts throughout this blog which I have let stand for all to see.
But then I gradually started to have my doubts about him and that is how this has culminated in me asking the simple question:
IS RON PAUL A FREAKIN FREEMASON?
Which I asked not only for myself, but for many thousands of others in the truth/freedom movement who have become legitimately concerned about this possibility. Which I maintain is a very good possibility.
And since so many Masons and mason-friendly occultists like yourself have come running over here like mad rabid dogs to condemn me for asking this question, I figure I am on to something.
It has been rumored that COWARD #1 is a non-Mason.
I’m not saying COWARD #1 IS a non-Mason, but the evidence is there for anyone to see.
His father was a non-Mason and to my knowledgs, all of his relatives are non-Masons. (Some are more non-Masons than others but non-Masons to be sure.)
Again, I’m not saying that COWARD #1 is a non-Mason, just that he associates and identifies with non-Masons.
What I’m asking is this: Anyone who can confirm or deny that COWARD #1 is truly a non-mason, please post your proof and sources so that we might know for sure that he is actually (and without doubt) a non-Mason. We know that COWARD #1 says he is not a non-Mason, but we also know that non-Masons are all liars.
Now we all know what evil creatures non-Masons are. Everyone knows this, so if we can prove beyond speculation that COWARD #1 is a non-Mason, we shall be doing the world a large favor exposing this fact.
But, let me be perfectly clear on this point: I am not saying (at this point in time) that he IS a non-Mason. That would be quite unfair of me.It might also come under libel and slander laws, so I must be careful to be perfectly clear that there is strong evidence of his non-Masonhood, but not conclusive evidence of the fact.
So let the messages roll in concerning the nature of COWARD #1’s Non-Masonic ties or otherwise. We must clear this up so the world can rest in peace with said knowledge.
One might ask: Joe, why are you dising COWARD #1? There’s no way he can be nominated for the high office of HUMAN.
Ah, you have found me out — I confess — It is not COWARD #1 that I’m concerned about, its non-Masons in general I’m concerned about.
Be assured, my research has proven to me beyond any doubt that non-Masons are all evil. Don’t ask me for definitive proof. Just trust me, because I have a loud voice and balls. This is all the proof you lowly readers need.
Now, go forward from this Holy place and uncover all of the non-Masons you can. We must rid the world of such scum.
“Look, there’s a non-Mason behind that tree, get him!”
“Good.” “Onward non-Mason haters, we shall overcome…” “Oh say can you see…” –jws
JWS,
There you go revealing yourself again. You really are getting desparate to dig up some non-existent dirt on me, so you resort to an old worn-out Discordian tactic to try to get people up in arms against me, but of course it is nothing but another of your stupid jokes that backfire on you.
Here’s a handkerchief. Wipe yourself because the dirt is all over your face.
JWs,
By the way, non-masons are the majority by far. These are the people who work hard everyday, abide by the rules, but can’t understand why they keep getting screwed over by the system. I am here to show them who the probable culprits are.
Psst, AHEM… JWS and his mysterious elitist masonic buddies, hint, hint.
…and the temperature rises, degree by degree. Do you feel it, COWARD #1? Or, like a frog put in a pot of cold water over a fire and doesn’t feel the heat until it is too late, you begin to squirm. Some DIScomfort there, heh, COWARD #1?
There’s talk (not being a Mason I do not have devinitive proof) that an effigy of your body has been put into the Masonic ritualistic hexagram for COWARDS and chanting is starting to reach audible proportions. I really hope this is not the case because hexagrams for COWARDS can sometimes be spiritually and psychologically painful.
I suggest we all become prayer partners and try to ward off the consequences of this evil Masonic ritual before it is too late to save you! –jws
JWS,
You really should listen to your nursemaid and take your medication and drift off to dreamland where you don’t have to face the fact that you are a traitor to the human race. Because the later you stay up , the less sense you make, and the more you discredit yourself, but since even a psyopath has a tendancy to leave clues to his crimes out of an unconscious cry for help, I allow you to leave them scattered all over this thread for the forensic boys to put together.
“Om moni padmi hooooom. Let not our non-Masonic brother feel the wrath of the Masonic hexagram ritual. Oooom, monnni padmiiii Hommmmm. Please, Master of the Universe, save our brother, COWARD #1 in his hour of need. Ooooooooommmmmm monnnnniiiii padmmmmmmmiiiiii hommmmmmmmm, hear us oh GAOTU and IAO fortune cookie, grant us, your lowly servants (unworthy of your scrutiny) that COWARD #1 should not feel the pangs of remorse in this, his hour of redemption. Oooooooooommmmmm Mmmmmmmaaaannnnnniiiiii Paaaaaaaddddddmmmmmiiii Hhhhhhhooooooommmmmmm, GAOTU, Please forgive COWARD #1 for DISobeying your command to love his brothers and sisters as he loves himself.”
There, that’s all I can do. The rest is up the the Great Arthitect of the Universe and IAO to do the rest, COWARD #1. Hopefully He (and IAO) have heard our fervent prayer… –jws
Good night, Chet. — Good night, David.
PJ,
Above you said the Knights Templar is the Scottish Rite. You’re wrong. It’s the York Rite. Get your facts straight.
Who cares if Ron Paul is a Freemason. He is done, as spent force. I am a Mason and even if he were I would NEVER have thought of voting for him because I don’t agree with most of what he espouses.
Comments from anti-masons about Masons and what they believe may be answered by going to this site.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/
Of course, the brain damaged will say its all a lie, but there you go..
I used to write science fiction but “reality” outpaced me.
Ha.
David,
Glad to see another brother commenting on here!
Davidg said: “I am a Mason and even if he were I would NEVER have thought of voting for him because I don’t agree with most of what he espouses.”
This is an interesting statement. You say “most”. He espouses smaller government. Are you againsr that? He would do away with the Federal Income Tax. Are you against that? Just what is it that RP espouses that you wouldn’t even consider voting for him? Or do you think he is lying about these major issues? And what is it about any of the front-runners that makes them preferable to RP?
Hillary: She knows her healthcare plan is unworkable so long as insurance companies are pare of the mix.
John: He would expand our global Imperialism beyond our current boy president’s wildest dreams. Your sons and daughters would be drafted and sent all over the world to fight the rich men’s wars.
Barack: Accusations against him are starting to pile up so fast that he will me marginalized the moment he is nominated.
All that’s left is for everyone to write in their favorite choice (excluding all current runners). But the electorial collage will pick one of the front runners in spite of all that.
Ron Paul (compared to all of the others) looms head and shoulders above them. This is why I asked my leading question… –jws
If Ron Paul is a 33rd degree mason and that makes him wholly a worse evil than the 3 stooges, then don’t support him….. but I only have one thing to say about the future of americans….. BEND OVAH
Wil,
Sci-fi is predominantly “predictive programming”. In other words masons who were privy to the New World Order agenda years ago, were prompted to write as though they were just accidentally dreaming up weird fantasies about the future. This was in order to prepare and condition the masses for “things to come.” HG Wells, for example, was aware of the NWO agenda back in the 20s and 30s. But the general public were then, and now, not allowed to know specifically what the Masonic elite have planned for us.
The fact that JWS, a para-masonic Luciferian/Discordian con-artist, is pushing Ron Paul ought to give people some pause at least.
ET,
You are one of the few people here in this tangled morass of Masonic disinformation (JWS and Lloyd in particular) who understand the real problem as the Masonic Matrix and see the reality that Masons are dirtbags who endlessly cover for each other (as Lloyd and JWS do).
Why? Because they are the Enemy taking over like the pod-people in the movie “The Body Snatchers”. There is absolutely no difference between Masons and the most hideous creatures dreamed up by scifi. JWS is living proof, and he isn’t even officially a mason, but is absolutely enthralled with Freemasonry, Robert Anton Wilson (OTO) Luciferian Doctrine, the Golden Dawn, 666 and Ron Paul.
It is so disgusting that I have to literally wash myself clean after being contaminated by these creeps and their toxic propaganda.
Still foaming at the mouth, heh, potty lips?
Remember the Masonic Thought Police — they are working on certain vibrations associated with crystals and aromas in conjunction with a certain COWARD’s weak constitution and diminished mental capacity. Along with HAARP and other secret, Tesla technology, the stage is set for some surprising fireworks. Stay tuned, we shall cure the ailing COWARD of all of his delusions and phobias very shortly.
IAO IAO IAO
Blessed be Mary, God’s mom and George, God’s dad and Grandpa Pontias P., God’s Grand Dad. They are all watching over the COWARD.
Let us pray… –jws
It always makes me laugh when Masons disown Aleister Crowley publically. But the proof is in the pudding. Observe how well Lloyd (a Master Mason) and JWS (whose brother is a 33rd degree and who worships Crowleyite Robert Anton Wilson) get along and you will find out the truth.
Agent Lloyd. Come in agent Lloyd. This is your step brother in Masonry. This message is super secret, don’t let anyone else see it. You must eat your monitor as soon as you read the complete (coded) message. The non-Masons are getting close to the BIG secret. Now for the message.
qodp- ceorpcks (I know, we shouldn’t use this technique for frivolous workings but then, what better way of experimenting with sub-human-non-Masons, heh?
To continue…
hwnopsrs coptic ignoblah-blah-blah.
This should do it. Remember, eat the monitor. You know what the enemy is capable of…
Yum Money Padinmi Boy, is this the cat that ate your new shoes? –jws
JWS,
You have never stated anything rational or sincere in this thread because you are incapable of rationality or sincerity, perferring Ordo Ab Chao (bullshit), to the truth, which you disdain, as does your buddie Oliver North who said that truth is a worthless commodity, not worth mentioning.
That is what you are about. Do you deny it?
Try saying something sincere and truthful. I bet you can’t do it.
The trouble (as I see it) with this nation is My comments await your moderation!
OK…
SOMETHING SINCERE
And quit knocking my buddy, Olie! Remember we have “on the shelf and stand alone ways” of dealing with non-Masons (especially COWARDS).
And don’t even think of knocking Kukla and Fran…
…and the truth will set you against the COWARD.
We also have the new and improved R. Ray Gun.
JWS,
You really are a paranoid wackjob. Whenever your comments are put into the moderation que by WordPress, it is usually because you have exceeded your Masonic/Discordian bullshit limit for the day.
Your Discordian BS comment has been moderated, ie passed so that others can see what kind of twisted mindset is promoting Masonry, RAW and other disinfo so that the general public might remain confused and disoriented long enough for the NWO to reach its final conclusion.
Perhaps (getting back on topic) Ron Paul will perform a miracle at the Republican Convention. It is all together possible that President Paul will bring Constitutional law back to this once great nation.
Did anyone here see the Kieth Olberman diatribe on Bush’s last speech on how he gave up golf in honor of the parents of the boys and girls he sent in needless harm’s way? It was one of Kieth’s best, so far…–jws
… not sure if its Kieth or Keith.
Update: JWS runs out of amunition and resorts to childish outbursts.
This is the result of many years of utter contempt for the truth. It was this attitude of contempt and ill-will, which caused him to gravitate towards Robert Anton Wilson and other disseminators of garbage, lies and disinformation., ie the Masons.
This study of psychopathology continues…
The new World Order HAS reached it’s conclusion: You Stink.
JWS,
Of course, the Illuminati NWO thinks I stink, and so do you because you are a part of this evilarchy, though much, much lower on the totem pole.
So tell us something we don’t already know.
PS: I stink because the truth stinks, according to you. Shit smells much better to one who devotes his life to evil. Just know what you are and take responsibility for it. That is all I ask. Be honest about who you have chosen to become.
Yes, Agent Lloyd. The last spell is working. You know who is convulsing. A little more pressure and the Internet he and Al Gore created will terminate in one gigantic mushroom cloud. Then, we NWO people shall pick up the pieces and bury the trash… Good job, my friend of so many years. (Secret hand-shake wink wink, and the passing of the lost WORD… Wah Kir Texas Ranger.)
Our labors are about over… we have won the hearts and minds of the cattle on earth known as humans…
They shall embrace us, knowing we are the saviors of Planet Earth.
Little do they know that we shall go to the Star System Kolob and start work on the Mormon problem… –jws (Also know as Uncle Screwtape).
The COWARD said: “Of course, the Illuminati NWO thinks I stink, and so do you because you are a part of this evilarchy, though much, much lower on the totem pole.”
No, you are wrong. I only appear to be the janitor when in reality I am Ipsisimus, higher than Kether and beyond “The Ring-Pass-Not”. I am free to say this because you mere earthlings have no idea what I am talking about. But Shriners know and they quake at the mention of my name… –jws
Good night Chet — Good night David
JWS,
Your discordian disease has progressed much farther than even I had imagined. You really are seriously ill.
I am not joking either. There is no way to communicate with a madman who has lost all sense of reality. I only allow this person’s comments to demonstrate what happens to an invidivual who devotes his life to serving Evil, ie the NWO, Illuminati etc, without being born into the elite who have mastered the art of making psychopathology look “normal”. JWS, on the other hand has not had the higher training that the elite offer their own that allows them to be high-functioning psychopaths, while retaining that certain sense of normalcy and humaness.
JWS, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being. I almost pity you.
pjwalker911
That you persist in arguing with a troll is even far more pathetic.
This “discussion” you began, only further confirms that RP is being used, as a wedge within a strategy of distract divide and conquer, and I suspect that you also are an agent of the controlled opposition.
When you Luciferians are not painting Jesus black, by citing the bad example you set with your institutionalized religious parodies, e.g. The Vatican etc., you are playing the other side, by producing and promoting so called documentaries like zeitgeist.
The true rulers of this world, the very powers of darkness behind the NWO, are the Luciferians, who being without conscience or moral restraint, so adept at all types of deception, do live by the motto of ‘divide and conquer’.
The following is excepted from Reference.com
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Luciferians
Gnostic Luciferians
While “Gnostic Luciferian” can sometimes be found mentioned in older works (such as Eliphas Levi’s Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie, first published in 1855) the term did not enter more popular usage until the early 2000s. Modern groups and individuals identifying themselves as “Gnostic Luciferian” often emphasize their understanding of the entity or Archetype titled “Lucifer” (from the Latin for “Light Bearer”) as being separate from the usually synonymous entity titled “Satan” (from the Hebrew for “Adversary”.) The orthodox view has associated Lucifer with “Satan before the fall”, though, as Bishop Lucifer’s name attests, Lucifer was not yet associated with “Satan” in the 4th century. Some classically-educated Free Masons and those inspired by their work used “luciferian” in the scholarly sense of “bringing enlightenment,” invoking Prometheus who stole fire from the gods to bring to man. Pro-Catholic polemicists linked such Masonic usage with sects worshiping Lucifer, which have had persistent groups of followers since the Middle Ages.
It is confession time, folks.
This exchange between PJ and myself has been programmed to both entertain and enlighten the participants in this forum.
I must admit, when PJ (my dear grandson) first came up with this idea, I had reservations, but it has all turned out better than our fondest dreams.
However, I do think some here were on to our scheme.
No matter, it all worked out fine but now I must travel to other parts of the world on important business.
You see, PJ is not only my grandson, he is (and always has been) my best student.
Anyway, my apologies if any here were traumatized by our little prank. We wanted to show you how easy it is to manipulate people’s perceptions on a large scale.
This has been a great diversion for me personally and our (PJ’s and my private) communications have been, as always, stimulating.
With this said, I know PJ has to disavow this message for legal and other reasons, say hi to your mom and tell her I will drop in on her on my next visit to Israel.
I love you, PJ, keep up the good work…
Grandpa “Joe”
I urge all of you, to reject utterly, all organized (institutionalized) religion. Instead go directly to Jesus, and simply ask him to reveal himself to you. Ask and you will receive. You have nothing to loose and absolutely everything to gain.
Ask him.
He’s gone. He’s back. He never really was. He never really left.
He’s a secret 911 truther.
He’s a friend of Martin Luther,
and the Vatican …. and the Pope.
He’s everybody’s friend.
His campaign never ends.
On again. Off again. Gone again. He never left.
Truth is whatever he says it is.
He reserves the right,
to dim the lights,
and play the shadowman.
It’s all about the campaign.
Will he give you your money back though?
He campaigned for the beast 666.
Ronald Wilson Reagan,
is of course, a friend of his.
An outspoken secret truther,
everybody’s friend,
so relatively principled,
whose campaign never ends.
Ron Paul.
It’s your attention and confusion he wants.
pjwalker911 – Thank you for the slander. You are too kind. Perhaps you could try using a bit of rationality and do a little research first before bloviating your little hate diatribe. Thank you for sharing.
I just feel that no matter how much “constitutional freedom” his libertarian philosophies might bring, it would also bring about a huge economic depression in the name of that freedom otherwise known as chaos..
To be honest, if its a choice between working till I’m 75, my 401K, or a bit of control of the freedom of the market, I’ll GLADLY take the last!
pjwalker911 // May 17, 2008 at 7:00 am
” It always makes me laugh when Masons disown Aleister Crowley publically. But the proof is in the pudding. Observe how well Lloyd (a Master Mason) and JWS (whose brother is a 33rd degree and who worships Crowleyite Robert Anton Wilson) get along and you will find out the truth.”
We disown him privately too. He was a Mason of an irregular and clandestine Lodge not recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England or any other Grand Lodge outside of the Grand Orient of France. I think RAW would be very amused being called a Crowleyite! He agreed with him on some things and not on others.
Natasha,
You are right about one thing. I should have stopped arguing with JWS a long time ago. It was a stupid game that I allowed myself to get caught up in. I don’t know why I would give him the time of day now, but it’s too late, it’s already done. If anything positive came out of it, I would say it just reaffirms to me that masons and occultists are generally sick and twisted people who don’t give a shit about the truth.
As for Luciferian, I am not one of those. I just think for myself, and I simply see no evidence that Jesus Christ was a historical person, and furthermore, I see only that he, as a fictionalized character who became the latest in a line of Son Gods, has been used by the elite to control the masses. The oldest trick in the Book. The point is, if the Bible were in any way harmful to the elite Illuminati bloodlines, they would have banished it a long time ago. Instead, it was pushed long and hard especially by the most powerful elites from Constantine to the Illuminist Popes, Allumbrado Jesuits, King James, the Rosicrucian Court and especially by Freemasons, most of whom are avid Christians. No, the Illuminati are the true beneficieries of Christianity/Churchianity. It is their religion, their invention and is promoted by their most powerful and secret chivalric Orders. It is by Christianity that they, the sheperds, could herd the sheep for the last 2000 years. Thus today, the average Christian either knows nothing about the Illuminati, or if they do, they wait patiently for the day when their savior appears in the clouds, but that day has never and will never come (unless the elite decide to project some holographic image in the sky).
I sincerely wanted to believe in Jesus and Christianity and even Ron Paul, but I just could not bring myself to it after thinking it all through.
pjwalker911
How can you claim to think for yourself, when you in fact, but repeat the classic Luciferian disinformation about Jesus? You parrot their claims about him, right down the zeitgeist video garbage, about “a long line of sun gods”.
You also said. … “The point is, if the Bible were in any way harmful to the elite Illuminati bloodlines, they would have banished it a long time ago. ”
You don’t know your history PJ.
For ages, not only did they alone have sole control over the few copies of the Bible in existence, they made it a crime to poses or even read the Bible, if you were not a member of their club (clergy)! They burned people at the stake for having bibles!
The elite have always been threatened by the truth of the Bible, and that is why they created counterfeit institutionalized “christian religions”, e.g., The Vatican and Greek Orthodox etc., which they still use to this very day to obscure the truth.
The Bible in fact remains the most suppressed book in history, being hidden in plain sight, and all the many phony religious institutions which enforce that repression, only makes it clear that they certainly do fear the Bible.
When you Luciferians are not painting Jesus black, by citing the bad example you set with your institutionalized religious parodies, e.g. The Vatican etc., you are playing the other side, by producing and promoting so called documentaries like zeitgeist.
Ha Ha! What an awful attempt to smear Ron Paul, you ought to blog for the L.A. Times. Don’t worry, they don’t seem to have any editorial standards either. You just have to make a claim with some apparent conviction, sources are only required if you actualy value the reputation of your pseudonym.
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Ron Paul told Alex Jones he was not afraid to take a bullet after going against neocon agenda. Said “I’m old, have lived good life, not intimidated by threats these days, too long in tooth to worry”
Shit, when heat was brought on, he ran out the door faster than you can say Ross Perot ! Took $12 million with him, money from overtimers, truckers, waiters, troops, not Halliburtons money, but real people lost their donations to a blimp I never saw in my state.
9/11 Truth was key, not “Blowback” . Paul dropped the ball pushing that blowback theory, that we were in Saudi Base, so OBL hit WTC. Thanks for muddying the water some more w/ disinfo Mr. Paul. You don’t push that theory on us Net Radio listeners, now why try it on the sheeple ?
Paul is a NWO gatekeeper, by choice or not.
First the Paulites, Luciferians and Masons attack me, then the fanatic Christians get in on the act. In fact you are all controlled by the same Illuminati elite. America is a corrupt ship of fools and conartists all going down the the same NWO toilet drain. If we were a nation of free-thinkers, things would be much different and far better. Instead, we are a nation of Commies, Fasicsts, religious fanatics, government worshippers, occultists and a seriously corrupt aristocracy running the whole thing.
Sorry Natasha, I don’t buy your religion trip. I don’t believe in Jesus loving us from above, and I don’t believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy either. It is all a pack of lies for children and demented fools. Same for every other religion.
I learned my lession from JWS, so no more debating with you either.
Next basher!
This is insane. So what if Dr. Paul is a Mason? Washington, Jefferson and Madison where all Masons. As where almost all of the men that signed the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the United States Constitution. Maybe you should be grateful that THOSE Masons where here to found Your Nation!
TO: “Sorry that is not important”,
A mason yourself no doubt.
The point, that you will no doubt never get, is that this nation was conceived by Rosicrucians as the New Atlantis, founded by masons, maintained and controlled by masons and other occultists, but guess what? They forgot to tell the commonors this little secret who had to figure it out for themselves that we have all been born into a controlled society, a Masonic Matrix if you will, and now that the masons are through using America as the engine of empire, they are turning to the next phase of the NWO to set up a global dictatorship which was the plan all along.
Done with you.
Next basher!
America was freer than ANY country has EVER been in all of History, at least until the New Deal. That is a fact that you can not dispute. No where else on Earth–well in the White portion of the Earth, but that is the same thing realistically speaking(yes I am a racist too!)– was it possible in 1789 to NOT be a part of a state church AND not be prosecuted for not being part of that same state church.
Also that idea that the commoners should not only be armed but had, have and will continue to have a RIGHT to arms to defend their homes and liberties with was unique in that period, and is nearly so still to this day.
Further the idea that the Authorities could not just do as they pleased, when they pleased to whom they pleased was certainly novel as applied here in America.
And you, you ungrateful cur OWE all of this to a group of Masons that revolted against the English Crown. So oh wise knowing one, why would the internationalist of that time–Illuminati–have there own colony revolt–George of Hanover was a Mason–to build a world center, so that they could take over the world, when they could have just used London as the Center and America as an Arm? The only sane answer involves at least two groups that are in opposition to each other.
If Paul is a Mason he must be awfully low on the totem pole. NWO TV didn’t not want any coverage of him what-so-ever. Even the most gullible little old lady figured that out by watching the candidates on the boob-tube.
Sure he was asked to speak at Quigley’s little Alma Mater, it sure served for a great photo op for just such an article as this. I’m sure the disinfo artists will get plenty of milage out of it.
It makes me want to bust out and sing that old Andy Gibb song…
Blaming it all on the knights of Malta…Blaming i on those knights ….Singin them love songs,
Singin them straight to the heart songs…
Blamin it all on the Knights of Malta…
Singin them sweet sounds
To that crazy, crazy Black Pope town.
Sing it with feeling!
Hello!
I for one will not bad mouth masons especially the ones who founded this country! They were amazing masons who oozed honor and loyalty to one another and the natural world (God). They pulled off an amazing feat that has not been matched in the world since 1773. They laid the ‘corner stone’, the template for true individual freedom. It is still in the ‘template’ stage, until humans work it out. The philosophy of ‘true’ freedom to be who and what we need to be according to our divine destiny is a noble philosophy, but to actually ‘live’ that freedom without ‘interference’ from others who do not ‘understand’, and/or are ‘threatened’ by ‘individual freedom, is a universal challenge until it is ‘overcome’. Secrecy is a double edged sword. Are there wonders about the universe and this world that the majority do not know or understand about yet? Of course. Use your imagination. In order to understand these wonders, would people need to change their perceptions before they could ‘see’ and ‘understand’ them? Do spiritual dimensions exist? Of course! Even Shakespeare (the spear shakers shaking their spears at ignorance) said through the character, Hamlet, “There are greater things than heaven and earth that are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio”.
Oh yes, we owe everything to the Masons. We are forever indebted to the Masons. the Masons invented freedom (while enslaving the Africans and decimating the Native Americans), the Masons are our loving trusted friends even though the average person is totally ignorant that they even exist or that the nation’s capital is a Masonic magical mandala. The Masons cause the sun to shineth and the rain to raineth. They giveth us our every need and keep us warm at night. Blah, blah, blah….They are in short, our gods to be worshipped and praised continuously.
Sheep and sheepherders! Which one are you? Because 99% of Americans are one or the other.
Look on the back of the worthless dollar bill. It is a Masonic dollar bill with the pyramid, the all-seeing eye and the hexagram (“Star of David” *cough*]. It says Novus Order Seclorum, the “New Order of the Ages” that Bush recently hailed. He was talking about a phrase, I think his father only used once [Hart], a “New World Order”.
You fools, you are born into a Masonic Matrix system that you never bothered to question. The Masons set this country up as a preliminary to their New World Order. It was funded and set up to be the economic engine that would bring the NWO into being. Three world wars were planned to help reorder this world into the shape it is heading for today. Your “freedom” was given to you only to be taken away later as it is being done by Masons and other occultists (Skull and Bones, Knights of Malta etc).
9/11, the ultimate excuse for the NWO, had the markings of Masonry all over it. If you understand it was an inside job, and you understand it had plenty of occultic symbology to it, then you understand it was a Masonic job, just as Kennedy’s assassinatin was, just as Princess Diana’s assassination was and on and on.
Any freedom that is given to you from on high is not true freedom. That which is given can always be taken away. The Conjob-stitution is full of loopholes that allow the government to strip you of your rights for any excuse. Taking your freedoms is legal according to the conjob-stitution. Anyone who says this is a free country is an idiot.
Sheep and sheepherders!
We have heard from the Masons, Luciferian occultists, Discordians, Christians and confirmed Paulites, but we haven’t heard from the Muslims, Talmudists, Hindus, Buddhists, Commies, Nazis, Neocons or Liberals yet. I am waiting to be bashed by all of them as well for speaking the full frontal naked truth.
That you are all either:
Sheep or sheepherders.
The fact that Ron Paul REFUSED a re-count.
The fact that Ron Paul REFUSED to even acknowledge that a re-investigation of Sept 11 was in order… notwithstanding his total denial of government culpability….
should be evidence enough that he is CONTROLLED. The facts speak for themselves.
I thought Ron Paul not asking recount in Maine was weird–especially when towns showing no votes for him, yet people in those districts saying they had.
Fiction I was working on a few years ago probably would have been considered “Discordian” since I was easily throwing a lot of symbols and metaphors around without at the time having done much reading on those topics…
Vibe or whatever you want to call it–told me I was giving the impression I knew more about certain things that I did, and would possibly be getting myself in trouble with the wrong types. And then that PC just happened to die-ha.
And people I knew in earlier life cycle loved RAW, and they would laugh “because it’s all true.” And then there’s Church of the Subgenius…. Well the Christmas show was funny last year…but some of the others just give me a headache if I chance upon them late on Saturday nights…
Lately my other blog more of a gardening/landscaping journal. Haha
Will be interesting to see what’s lurking in the new Indy 4 movie. Problem with movies/books with types of historical settings–people sometimes think they’re learning history with their stories. I know because they’ve told me–mmmm. (Knight’s Tale has become guilty pleasure for the anachronisms because it is so mmm– how do they say it? “dramatized?” I should probably put in my dollar DVD of National Treasure and get it over with–ha)
And somebody once said I only post one liners on here–haha
PJ
You have something in common with the Luciferians, the esoteric hidden heart of Freemasonry, The Illuminati and various specialized related subgroups including The Thule Society, Skull and Bones and The Temple Of Set, among several others, and that is your Antichrist opposition to G_d.
The firestorm of controversy regarding RP’s supposed status as a Freemason, begun by you and Jeff Rense now being discussed all over the net, oddly enough coincides with an increasingly massive Freemasonic PR campaign in the media.
Who, but the merest of fools, could overlook the obvious significance of such a coincidence?
All of these discussions, invariably boil down to an equating of Christianity with institutionalized religion and it’s evil antichristian works, and as usual G_d is slandered or even denied to even exist.
Now just whose talking points are those?
Can you guess his name?
Natasha, Christianity IS organized religion, human behavior patterns, when organized can accomplish remarkable things and when not organized accomplish nothing of consequence. IMHO that is.
“The firestorm of controversy regarding RP’s supposed status as a Freemason, begun by you and Jeff Rense now being discussed all over the net, oddly enough coincides with an increasingly massive Freemasonic PR campaign in the media.”
What PR campaign?? I must have missed that at Grand Lodge?? Perhaps you might give an example?? I’d appreciate it.
So are you trying to say we’ll be better off with McCain? Or Obama?
Perhaps Paul really is no different than any of the others. I don’t know the man. But, of all the presumably Illuminati controlled politicians out there, his record is the closest to what I would have done. To spend 40 years pretending to be someone you’re not, just to run a half-hearted campaign at an age when most people think you’re already too old, seems like huge a stretch.
If you can suggest someone who IS acceptable, AND is running, I’ll take a look. If you can’t, then I suggest you either pick up a gun, or stop complaining.
It’s easy to be against everything, but it’s worse than useless. What are you FOR?
I’ll probably still do absentee ballot of Ron Paul, but continue going with friends to various county commission meetings to hold feet to the fire on various topics, Congressional town hall meetings and forums, and continue with my other protests and observations of other groups and etc.
It’s not the President who must be held accountable, but every position and person from them on down to–ourselves.
“It’s not just the President who must be held accountable…” I meant to write.
NATASHA,
I am somewhat persuaded to believe that you sincerely believe all the things you are saying about me, which makes me want to treat you with fairness.
I will repeat that I have absolutely nothing to do with Luciferians. Freemasons, Satanists, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Thule, Temple of Set, etc who I despise, all of whom I have exposed for the last 8 years since back when I started my little newsletter that developed into this blog.
Secondly, I have no opposition to God because I simply do not believe He exists, nor do I believe Jesus exists. That is my personal genuine opinion on the matter.
Nor do I have anything to do with Rense, Jones, Icke or any of the rest of them. I am my own man and I think for myself. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. If people don’t like it they can go someplace else.
I will admit that I ignited a firestorm of controversy, but that I had no idea it would receive the absolute vindictivness and crap that I have taken for doing it. I simply innocently found that post from Oak (Penny Freemason, er I mean Freeman, Ron Paul’s scheduler) and posted it here with my honest assessment. What I did intend was to invite comment and investigation into the very good possibility that Ron Paul is a Freemason which to me is one huge red flag.
Jeff Rense and David Icke waited 3 weeks before linking to this post. I have no idea about their motivations, but it did bring in a huge increase of views. To group me with them is ridiculous. I have absolutely nothing to do with either of them.
Now I too would like to know what this “increasingly massive Freemasonic PR campaign in the media” is all about. Maybe I missed something, but I would sure appreciate any links you might have regarding this.
Sorry that is not important,
No, I am not grateful to the masons and their Masonic Matrix. They don’t hand me my freedom. I earn it and fight for it every day as I will for the rest of my life, no matter who is in power.
I especially am not grateful for their Masonic Novus Ordo Seclurum, the New World Order which is a diabolical tyranny heading straight for us like a freight-train.
You answered your own question I think:
“Illuminati–have there own colony revolt–George of Hanover was a Mason–to build a world center, so that they could take over the world, when they could have just used London as the Center and America as an Arm?”
Exactly, London, or more specifically, the Knights Templar CITY of London, has always been the center and America is its arm, its engine of empire. And when the Freemasonic elites have accomplished their goal of global standardization, then we will have a global government under the United Nations to whom Skull and Bones Templar and Maltese Knight George Bush Sr said we would pledge our allegiance.
this is sill alarmism. how many times must you learn? blue lodge masons are not involved and are used as a mask. MOST masons are blue lodge. even if Ron Paul was a mason, so be it. his ideals are 1,000,000 times better than obama, clinton, or mccain. you’re retarded to abandon such a great candidate over a single issue. besides, if you truly believe what you say you believe, then the entire game is fixed anyways and you shouldn’t get involved with politics at all. go build a bunker in your basement, hoard some toilet paper, and wait for the bank runs you all said would happen in February.
BTW – he VERY clearly gave the grip to Bill Maher
Paulites say Ron Paul would be committing “political suicide” if he were to question 9/11 publically.
Ron Paul had several years as congressman, before he started talking about becoming a presidential candidate. During that time, not once did he mention any questions about the official story of 9/11, though he did question the way the war was waged in its aftermath.
If he were a 9/11 truther, he would have at least condemned the official investigation and immediately called for a new one. But that’s the thing. He isn’t a truther. He isn’t one of us. He is part of the Masonic establishment as honorary Mason and Bohemian Grover Ronald Reagan was, who he supported and continues to hail.
If Ron Paul didn’t support 9/11 truth before becoming a candidate, he sure isn’t going to do it after becoming president. And he knows he will never be president anyway because the whole thing is staged. The idea that the people can rise up and vote in a “man of the people” is ludicrous. It cannot happen in a Masonically controlled society such as ours. The Masonic Matrix gives us our heros to follow like sheep into a dead end.
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.
good luck with your singularity demons, as in “evil freemasonry” and the personal attacks. These blogs are not useful, face to face interaction among reasonable and educated people are. Then, action….
The obvious unsavory associations of Ron Paul are obvioius and documented among those that track the “neo” confederate organizations that Paul bellies up to and the continuity of international players that have supported this movement since the beginning of the nation. A good many astute observers of the American political scene had Paul pegged as another John Anderson from the beginning. Paul pandered relentlessly to simplistic solutions that gained a lot of money for him over the internet, as per plan as we can see now after he bailed with the cash. The internet provided, in fact, the fresh meat for his fake candidacy, the tired eyed souls of new TV, who will solve the world’s problems by complaining about it to each other on annonymous blog screens.
Again, the hysterical fear of the negro egyptian is part and parcel of the larger picture of the fear based blanket condemnation of the masons provided for by most elements of Judaism and Christianity.
The knights of various decrees who bled the holy land came back with understanding of the true founders of human civilization and were changed by it. The Holy roman empire, then as now, would steal the legacies of the founder civilizations for themselves to mantle the empire (a continuous form still with us) with grand beginnings and origins which were then and now, a grand farce.
These ancient secrets, kept imperfectly by European Masons and others, are the grounds for inquisition terror and murder against not only the knights who rebelled but to countless millions of native americans, africans and asians whose cultures were destroyed and secrets pillaged. A modern example: The Bagdhad museum pilfering and the apparent destruction by salt (depleted uranium and who knows what else) of ancient mesopotamia.
Let us not forget the European geographical provinces that support for this crime against humanity (invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq). The writer will not bother to list or describe same, it is up to the serious person to find out for themselves what constitutes this coalition of filth and attempt some sort of reasonable analysis capable to anyone not locked into the religious hokum expressed on this series of blogs.
Yes there are conspiracies, interlocking economic and political directorships that span supposed national sovereignties, there have been for thousands of years. Not new. It is important to remember that perhaps inertia of a very complex ecology of human and natural forces together comprise the greater measure of force in the direction we take as a species, beyond all the planning of mice and men.
Freeing our own minds from religious orthodoxy based on retold myths is a start to overcome being led down the road of false self fulfilling prophecies designed by religious kings and bigots seeking power over others. Religion, last refuge of a scoundrel.
davidg
No, really, it is not at all. Please hear me out on this David.
Institutionalized “christianity” is by definition, in and of the world, and Jesus called his true followers out of the world. The very word church, as used in the new testament, was translated from the Greek ekklesia [εκκλησία], , which literally means, ‘the called out ones’, or ‘called out assembly of those summoned’.
Christ clearly warned us, that if we walk as he walked, the world would hate us, not accept us! Institutionalized “mainstream christianity” therefore can never be the real thing.
Real Christians are at the very least marginalized. We are on DHS watch lists for heavens sake! We are not “respected clergy”, with special license plates able to legally double park, who hang out at the White House with Presidents. We are poor, not materially wealthy, and we certainly do not have TV shows and big fancy buildings.
Neither do we seek, to so much as influence society or the political process, because we know the world will continue to worsen, and we are not of the world but merely in it, as strangers just passing through. Now when we at G_d’s command speak out against evil, tyranny, and or we warn the people, of where they are on the time-line within the big picture, we are almost never taken seriously or believed. Nobody wants our autographs, and no limos are waiting to pick us up. We are instead ridiculed, falsely arrested, fired from our jobs and generally thought badly of.
Nearly all the biblical prophets were ridiculed, outcasts, persecuted and even hunted down and killed. The early Church (called out body of believers) were literally outlaws, who actually really and truly lived underground, and very often they were also systematically hunted down imprisoned and or killed!
Then finally, when Satan realized, that the more he persecuted the Church the larger it grew, he decided to “legalize” and “manage” the Church. Suddenly the “institutionalized christian church”, most notably the Catholic, Apostolic and Greek and Eastern Orthodox, was born, and it became a mere tradition incorporating even pagan holidays, symbols, and empty ritualized worship patterns. These institutions bear no resemblance at all, to the true body of believers scattered about the world, and their vain pomp, worldly riches and political power and societal influence within the world, bear strong testimony against them.
Alphonse
I think it obvious that three stooges, Hilary, Barack and John, all of whom are members of AIPAC, The CFR and other such sinister organizations, indeed really are all the same and represent only the best interest of their owners.
Now if Ron Paul is truly different, and I doubt it really, does he then have a ghost of chance of coming to power?
Clearly the game is rigged from the very outset, and RP is perhaps, unbeknownst to him, being used to distract and divide us all against each other. I hope for his sake this is so.
Now surely that is quite possible, because it appears that RP is, at best, merely stupid enough to believe that he, as a rogue outsider, can somehow manage to come to power and defeat the most evil, powerful, ruthless and reckless gang of monsters in human history, from within the very same corrupt system, that they are in total control of.
Bear in mind, that most people are hypnotized completely, by electronic media mind control. The fact that the vast majority of people everywhere are actually enthralled by and even emotionally invested in, the Presidential election farce, only makes this sad fact all too clear. So of what use is the majority? What could the ‘will of the people’, who are so completely and so very easily deceived, ever accomplish? All the powers that be need to do, is make a few movies and TV shows, to again turn their heads into useless mush once again.
Face it now please dear Alphonse. We are not contending with a mere bunch of bad boys. Rather we are beset upon, by the very power of darkness, and so now let us gather to the light of G_d to have any hope at all. I tell you the truth. We are no match for Satan. We must have, the very power of Christ within us, to stand in the days to come.
pjwalker911
Please don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against you personally, and I do not make any judgment regarding your motives. I pray for you, not against you, and I wish you good not evil.
You wrote, “I will repeat that I have absolutely nothing to do with Luciferians. Freemasons, Satanists, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Thule, Temple of Set, etc who I despise, all of whom I have exposed for the last 8 years since back when I started my little newsletter that developed into this blog.”
All good and well, and yet you do still have something in common with them. You have no faith in, or any proper respect for, G_d.
That you do not even know, that G_d exists, is not something I condemn you for PJ. Rather, I think you a victim of the very same power, which both motivates and controls, the same occult societies which you repudiate.
……. what Freemasonic PR blitz?
The new BIG BUDGET Disney National Treasure 2 movie. Starring Nicholas Cage. Did you see the first one? Very Freemason positive.
The fast food outlets with “National Treasure” promos.
The “National Treasure” toys in the toy stores.
The newly reedited, old history channel Freemason docs, with new footage.
The completely new history channel Freemason doc. It seems the Freemasons ‘are’ the national treasure.
The entire Freemason conspiracy being thoroughly debunked, all over the net, thanks to the new Ron Paul angle.
Lots and lots of commercials about “National Treasure”. TV… RADIO … PRINT … FAST FOOD PROMOS … BILLBOARDS
…. that Freemason PR blitz.
NATASHA,
Oh THAT PR blitz. Of course, they are mounting a full frontal propaganda campaign to glorify the masons and spread total disinfomation about them in the movies.
How I am involved in that is way beyond me. Show me the money I’m making off the royalties and toy sales and government black budget checks, because I could sure use it to replace my beat up old ’90 Ranger.
No NAtasha, that is purely your imaginative brain working.
The only thing you have on me is that I, after many years of reading through the Bible, studying religions of all kinds, listening to preachers and teachers of all kinds, and even praying to God/Jesus, I rationally came to the conclusion that God/Jesus, as the Bible represents him, is a fiction to give us false hope, that threatens us with eternal damnation if we don’t conform (those poor Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Aboriginies, Taoists! Why, they are all going to hell because they didn’t believe in Tammuz/Mithra/Horus/Jesus!!) and that keeps us from discovering our own personal power. Thus it only serves Caesar to whom Jesus tells us to pay up.
I say unto you oh Natasha, that you are a controlled, brainwashed cult member, and furthermore that the cult to which you have surrendered your mind, only helps the Illuminati to achieve their aims because you have completely surrendered your power, not to God or Jesus, but to the Illuminati. This allows you to then perceive that there is nothing that we mere mortals can do, that it is purely a battle between Jesus and Satan and we only have to wait it out long enough for Jesus to finally come down from the clouds and kick some Illuminati ass.
Well it never happened and it ain’t never gonna happen!
Only the people of this planet can stop the Illuminati New World Order by refusing to cooperate with the system and gradually learning to govern themselves, a novel idea!. But unfortunately, most of them don’t even have the slightest clue that a New World Order is upon them, so informing them is the first step and that is what I am about.
So Natasha, I really don’t care what you believe. Just go on believing it because I can tell you will cling to your illusions to the grave, comforted by your holier-than-thou superiority.
pjwalker911
I acknowledge your message. I will not however take up where JWS left off. Please find someone else to argue with PJ.
Natasha,
That was my own implied message to you as well.
Done.
Alphonse,
I’m not running for office, so I am not going to lay out a political platform for you to follow. I just want to live in peace and with the truth. But this world is awash in lies, confusion, chaos, conspiracies and it all generates from the top down. America is already pegged to be absorbed into the North American Union. I personally would rather that not happen, but it is happening and it will continue to happen under the system that we live. What I am saying is somehow the system we have must be abolished and a new and truly free society must come of it. That can only come from a fairly unified and informed populace which we absolutely do not have at this time. I figure the reality is only about 1% of Americans can even think for themselves (that based on my conversations with thousands of people). The rest are either sheep or sheepherders.
Of course Obama and McCain are Illuminati-sponsored. They all are, includinng Ron Paul. This is the New World Order Masonic Matrix we are living in. If we want to stop the madness we have to stop playing along with the game.
So don’t take their drugs. Don’t take their vaccines. Don’t fight their wars. Don’t vote in their elections because they are a complete farce. Don’t take shit from police officers. Don’t run up credit card debts. Don’t buy cars with OnStar. Don’t microchip your kids. Don’t believe the news networks because it is 90% propaganda (same for movies like Iron Man). Don’t let your kids become addicted to junk food and video games especially GTA.
Do eat only natural foods. Do use natural medicine. Do support your local organic farms. Do grow your own food. Do get off the grid to the extent possible. Do protect your children from vaccine damage. Do store up supplies. Do try to have your own business and be independent financially. Do try to understand the New World Order system as deeply as possible. Do try to wake others up. Do try to keep the bad stuff from interfering in your daily life and do try to enjoy your life despite it all.
There are a lot more do’s and don’ts I could list, but if you basically get the gist of what I am saying, you can figure them out for yourself.
So is Joe really your Grandpappy?
Funny, I was just watching Ron Paul’s appearance on Bill Maher’s show (clip is on youtube AND Ron Paul’s website) again, and was I surprised…
I noticed that he is clearly third-knuckle-gripping the other guests!
He did NOT hand-shake them, he gave masonic grips.
I intend to peruse other footage of him, as it never occurred to me he could be one.
NAIVE, DUH!
Is he a steam-valve?
Is he a gauge for the NWO of their opposition to “The Great Work”?
Just promise me Cynthia McKinney’s not one!
Haha–I used to live in Cynthia’s Congressional House district in GA.
She was–interesting.
Hey! There are masonic symbols on all the bills in our pockets, maybe we’re all Free masons? Just because RP speaks at a Jesuit college doesn’t make him a card carrying member. Lets get real, focus on the message and not the color his underwear.
Natasha, re- your stand on organized religion
Its your opinion and I can’t fault that its yours, but I don’t agree with it. Enough said.
Your claim of a PR extravaganza of Freemasonry..
If it were planned it might mean something, but it isn’t.. I don’t believe there is any one central plan regarding it, UNLESS you’re just talking about guiding people in how to spend their money. Then you could say in a way that Capitalism is the organizing factor of money. If it was this easy to put on a PR Extravaganza, the n why wait for 40 years + of falling membership?
I really, but respectfully, don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
davidg
They didn’t “wait 40 years”. How could you not have noticed their past efforts?
As for their dwindling membership. They have bounced back from such declines before.
Perhaps National Treasure 2 and this stupid RP controversy will help.
i had hoped someone could infiltrate the nwo and maybe rp has done that, but if so then why would he blow his cover, ie; supporting the constitution, abolition of fedreal reserve, abolition of irs, minimizing big gov.
maybe he is playing the double agent, the triple agent, i wanna believe in him as much as anybody, but the truth is its more likely that he is actually with THEM
Maybe Ron Paul is a quadruple agent. Has anyone thought of that?
The name Ron Paul continues to accomplish it’s purpose.
The naive are pacified with false hope, even as their awareness is blunted and their attention is misdirected, now even by the very name, of an obscure, nebbish, innocuous and vague little man, who pandered to some of their select hot button issues, as he publicly denied the obvious truth to supposedly keep himself electable.
How long will his supporters be strung along?
Other than having their hopes dashed and their bank balances decreased, they have little else to show for their naive support of RP, unless you consider that all of their personal information was also data mined by the DHS, when they donated money to his now defunct campaign.
Well, at least they have the satisfaction of knowing, that their NSA dossiers are all up to date. Perhaps also their early arrival, will get them first choice of available bunks, at the FEMA camps they helped to pay for.
On edit:
The name Ron Paul continues to accomplish it’s purpose.
The naive were pacified with false hope, even as their awareness was blunted and their attention misdirected, and now even the very name of an obscure, nebbish, innocuous and vague little man, who pandered to some of their select hot button issues, as he publicly denied the obvious truth to supposedly keep himself electable, remains a valuable asset to the secret world government.
How long will his supporters be strung along?
Other than having their hopes dashed and their bank balances decreased, they have little else to show for their naive support of Ron Paul, unless you consider that special warm feeling felt by them, as all of their personal information was data mined by the DHS when they donated money, to his now defunct campaign.
Well, at least they have the satisfaction, of knowing that their NSA dossiers are all up to date, and perhaps being so well identified, will also afford their early arrival and first choice of available bunks, at the FEMA camps.
What is called democracy today is of no value, but to the shrewd and unprincipled, who clearly know very well how to manipulate the foolishly naive into voting for their shills, and by something surely akin to black magic, are the people strung along endlessly, to passively wait for the change they voted for.
Clearly there exists an immense gulf, between mere youthful mental acuity and the wisdom that comes of age and experience, and sadly also mere wisdom alone is no substitute, for such clarity sufficient to the address the peril we now face, as G_d only can impart.
Natasha,
I agree with your opposition to organized religion. The evidence is clear that it has been controlled by power mongers for centuries. I do believe that God has a plan. The extent of Christianity’s spread is proof that there is a basis for belief. The proof of corruption is in the name “Jesus”. It means “son of Zeus”. I don’t know his real name but that is unimportant to the truth one can glean from his words and the abuse of them by organized Christianities. The word of the profits are coming to an end. Will you flee into the wilderness of die a profit in the streets?
Lou,
Thank you for your comment and your question. I will answer your question as best as I can, and yet first I would really like to shed some light on one of your statements. I hope you wont be offended.
A great deal of the controversy, regarding the transliteration of the Greek name Iesou into the old English name Jesus, is utterly groundless and not founded upon scholarship at all..
The adversary has long exploited the whole “Jesus really means son of zeus” fallacy, and the zeitgeist video is a perfect example of propaganda exploiting such disinformation.
The following is excerpted from a highly informative article, which sharply clarifies this, question, and which can be found at the URL below. I highly recommend that you read it. I know I am certainly learning a great deal from it. So thanks for your great post! : )
http://www.seekgod.ca/htwhatsinaname.htm
“Iesou (Ihsou) and zeu (zeu) are not related, and have two completely different spellings. The first letter from zeus (zeta) is vocalized with a ‘dz’ sound, and the dipthongs eu (zeu) and ou (Iesou) have a totally different vocalization. …. There is absolutely no relation between these words, and the most basic scholarship can easily prove this.”
As for me, well I don’t know much, and I am certainly not a scholar. I call him Jesus. I feel confident, that he goes by what is in my heart, and he knows that I am praying to him and not to anyone else.
Now to answer your question.
The LORD Jesus, as you are apparently very well aware, did both himself directly and by his prophets, give us specific signs so we would know when to withdraw and hide in the wilderness.
I agree with you Lou. The prophesies make it very clear the time has come, and I am doing the best I can, as I hope you are also, to obey his order to withdraw and take cover.
I do not know whether I will die at all, either in the woods or in the streets, before he comes to take our people off planet.
After Ron Paul said “he did not believe 911 was an inside job” I knew he was excrementos de toro!
Even if Ron Paul is a free mason how does that hurt him? Everybody is entitled to his/her beliefs under the U.S Constitution. Has it been conceivable that he had been framed figuratively speaking by those who like to create conspiracy theories and in reality had might have had no idea that any symbol would be taken along with the picture of his in the frame?
Most are willing admit that RP is probably, or quite possibly, a mason by now and that is only because a few people like me ventured to put the question to the public on what was formerly a taboo hush hush subject.
Since the likelihood is high, and most agree that it is high, I have done absolutely nothing wrong in bringing it up. That’s the first part.
Secondly, it does hurt him politically because there is a large number of people who, while agreeing with most of his platform (as I did), also believe rightly that Freemasonry is at the heart of the Novus Ordo Seclorum/New World Order system which we are all fighting against.
We are all born into a masonic matrix system as evidenced by the overwhelming proportion of secret society representation at the highest levels of every sphere of human activity, by the festooning of the culture with masonic symbols and logos throughout the federal and state governments and the corporations. That is a given once one has done a little research into the subject. Therefore, we come to realize that the problem is this masonic matrix system and that it needs to be exposed and dismantled before it is too late to do so.
So logically, it makes little sense for someone to support a candidate who is a member of the very same elite secret society network (ie the shadow government) that has carried out 9/11 and other psyops, is working to strip Americans of their rights through the Patriot Act and the masonic Total Information Awareness, microchipping people, amalgamating the North American Union, establishing a global government, moving industry out of the country, feeding us drugs of every kind to keep us in a state of aquiescense, manipulating the economy downward and involving us in perpetual pre-emptive wars for the purpose of geo-political engineering and profit.
The other thing is that we are born with our rights and have a responsibility to protect those rights as individuals and collectively when possible. Neither the Consitution, nor the Federal government has any power to grant those rights to us, though that is implied, that we owe our rights to the masonic elite. Not true. Yes, we have the innate freedom to think and believe whatever we want to. However, as JFK rightly pointed out, Americans as a whole find secret societies to be repugnant and dangerous to our freedoms. Therefore, it is right to expose them to the light of day, especially when they wield so much power and control just about everything.
And yes, Freemasonry is a religion. A district court has ruled it to be a religion though most masons will deny this fact as they deny just about every other fact about it. But it is not a religion of the common people. It is a religion of, by and for the elite. It is primarily Egyptian and Judaic mysticism with usually a Christian overlay. It is the religion of the elite whereby they use it to manipulate and herd the sheep. That is why it is a danger. Those members who step forward to lead the sheep are often trusted as Ron Paul is, that he is leading us away from danger to a safe pasture like the good shepherd that he is understood to be.
But the simple fact is, that if Ron Paul is a cryptic mason, he is quite the opposite of what he appears to be and therefore must be exposed. That is all this is about.
Now if you don’t give a damn about the New World Order system, claiming that is just a conspiracy theory or even love it, then that just means you are on the side of the elite, and if that is true, then just admit it and be done with it. Don’t pretend that you are for freedom and truth.
I see my grandson is babbling again.
The simple truth is this: Freedom is a state of mind; you think free, you are free, simple as that.
In practice it works like this: Think, feel, act however you want.
Now the consequences of being free and acting in a free manner is this: If you act in conflict with the laws of the land in which you reside, you will be punished accordingly. That is the price of freedom.
However, you are always able to think and feel free nomatter if your body is in jail.
Actions (including talking) may be taboo in the country in which you reside so the simple solution to staying out of jail (or punished in other ways) is to form a secret society where all of its members think and feel the same way. You will probably have to develope secret handshakes and passwords to identify each other, but the effort is well worth the risk. After all, freedom is the paramount goal.
For those of you who do not know how to form a secret society, I suggest you join one already in existence, for example, the Masons. They already have secret handshakes and passwords.
So, be free. Think free. Feel free. But do not “act” free in a country whose leaders hate for their fellow citizens to BE free. –jws
For those that don’t know, and I’m not joking about this, Joseph W. Schultz above, is a Discordian psychopath. A text-book example at that. Google Discordianism, Luciferianism, Robert Anton Wilson, Freemasonry and Aleister Crowley to see his influences.
This elderly man who grew up in the 1930s, had his whole life to review his thoughts and choose the right over the wrong, but instead FREELY chose to serve the dark side. Here he continues to play around with truth and spin it as he always does compulsively as though possessed by a spirit of trickery.
I allow him to spread his bullshit here because it is a case-study in how the mind of a masonic psychopath operates. Yes, he is free. Free from conscience, free from decency, free from sanity and he likes it that way as do all psychopaths who are heavily committed to the occult and the New World Order system. His “Freedom” follows the dictum of Crowley: “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law”. And it does rely on secret societies which he is suggesting we join.
DO NOT, confuse it with true freedom which always has a moral component and which is repulsed by secret societies as was JFK who was murdered because he went up against them.
What my grandson was trying to say is this: If you believe in God, you are free. But if you do not believe in God, you are not free because freedom is a God-given right.
One cannot have the gift of freedom if one does not believe in the giver of that freedom.
Of course, my grandson (PJ) is a firm believer in Deity! –jws
“Discordianism is a modern religion centered on the idea that chaos is as important as order. It was founded circa 1958–1959 by Malaclypse the Younger with the publication of its principal text, the Principia Discordia. There is some division as to whether it should be regarded as a parody religion, and if so to what degree.[1] It has been called “Zen for roundeyes”, based on similarities with absurdist interpretations of the Rinzai school. Discordianism recognizes chaos, discord, and dissent as valid and desirable qualities, in contrast with most religions, which idealize harmony and order. Eris, the Greek mythological goddess of discord, has also become the matron deity of the religion Discordianism.[2]
It is difficult to estimate the number of followers and correctly identify Discordian groups. The anarchist ethic that pervades Discordianism[3] is reflected in an encouragement to form schisms and cabals.[4] Additionally, few adherents hold Discordianism as their only or primary faith. Instead, Erisians tend to adopt Discordianism as a complement to other faiths…”
–jws
“Malaclypse the Younger (short Mal-2) was a pen name used by Gregory Hill in writing the Principia Discordia. He was also adapted as a character in The Illuminatus! Trilogy. Hill was a comrade of Kerry Wendell Thornley (aka Lord Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst). During the early years of circulation of the Principia Discordia, rumors claimed that the author of the book was Richard Nixon, Timothy Leary, or Robert Anton Wilson; or that the book and Malaclypse the Younger were both fictional inventions of Robert Anton Wilson, à la H. P. Lovecraft’s Necronomicon.”
–jws
You see, discord is a very necessary part of our universe. Since everything in our universe tends toward balance, without discord, universal balance would produce (just as still water does) stagnation. There is a third “force” in our universe but I cannot discuss this in an open forum; the “notion” is highly classified… –jws
In other words, up is down, depending on one’s reference point. Side-ways is an altogether different proposition. Only high-degree Masons know the significance of “side-ways”. –jws
PS Ron Paul knows…
The Masonic Motto par excellence is Ordo Ab Chao. Order Out of Chaos. An artificially induced chaos, the Hegelian Dialectic, used as pretexts to arrive at preconceived goals which are arrived at and planned in secret, behind closed doors by the ultra-rich elites who seek to enslave and destroy the human race. This is at the pinnacle of the masonic pyramid, the very source of true Evil in the world.
Natural chaos is inevitable such as people tripping over cracks in the sidewalk or hurricanes destroying homes. Chaos happens.
But Ordo Ab Chao is deliberately planned by evil people and it results in wars, famines, plagues, depressions, terror, shock, disease, death and general suffering for humanity. All for a purpose, to set up more control and enslavement over the body, mind and spirit of the individual.
This is what JWS defends and it is sickening. But each to his own I guess.
Yes, we in the ORDER now control the weather, economics, religion, politics, law and order, media of all types and some things that would curl my grandson’s hair (all on a world-wide scale).
We merely push whatever button is appropriate at the time and voila, our will is done.
Mere earthlings (such as my grandson (PJ) must bow to our every command, for they know what disobedience means…
And remember, even birth is proof of order out of chaos. It is all in the transmutation of matter. –jws
PS Keep up the good work, PJ, you make believers out of many on a daily basis. Bless you, my grandson…
Psst… where have all the followers gone, long time passing…?
My grandson wrote: “DO NOT, confuse it with true freedom which always has a moral component and which is repulsed by secret societies as was JFK who was murdered because he went up against them.”
To use “JFK” and “moral” in the same sentence is not wise unless womanizing is a moral virtue now. “Happy Birthday, Mister President…” (sung by his secret lover, M. Monroe). –jws
I’m not saying JFK was a Mason, but he did occupy the White House for several years and we all know the White House is chok full of Masonic Symbols. He also once said he admired George Washington and everyone knows George was a Mason who liked to grow “weed” in his back yard. Again, I’m not saying JFK was a Mason, but if anyone out there has evidence that he WAS a Mason, please post the information here for all to see…
–jws
I’m done arguing with pipsqueak psychos like JWS. He is a complete waste of time and space and a waste of skin as well.
Rational people know what I mean by ‘moral’. We ain’t talkin about sex. We are talking about truth, something that this stinkin piece of shit JWS has no interest in and only seeks to obfuscate through his childish blabbering.
Since I have determined that he has used up his Discordian bullshit allocation, he is being officially terminated by me, so that this thread is not cluttered up anymore than it already is with his stupid attempts to muddy the waters.
You’re done asshole.
If I understand chaos theory–the chaos/randomness is a seeming illusion until the underlying patterns behind the so called chaos have become statistically noticeable.
“Since everything in our universe tends toward balance”–
Actually the universe ultimately tends towards disorder or entropy–while things like “life” go against them as a form of order.
But like chaos theory–the order or disorder of the universe is relative to how or what level you are quantifying it.
And the same goes for “balance”–what type and how quantified.
I have a secret society too–but it’s so secret the members don’t know they’re in it.
A certain amount of chaos in nature and in human activity is normal and natural. Nature has its ups and downs. Humans have their foibles.
Chaos in the occult realm however, is artificially and deliberately created (9/11, Iraq, thimerisol in the vaccines, etc) either to manipulate events, or to cause confusion about those events (disinfo) which is JWS’s forte’. Discordianism is basically just what it says it is. A cult to cause discord, confusion and chaos artificially. It is not based on nature or natural laws at all. Those who practice it are just evil, malignant dregs of society.
That’s where I stand on the issue.
Well people ask why does God “allow” earthquakes or floods or etc and others say it’s His will or plan– Or satan’s.
My response is we live in mortal world, and things like that just happen.
But then you get those who manipulate things who say obey god, or now it’s the Mayan 2012 prophecies or whatever.
And in the late 80’s it was the so called “Harmonic Convergence” that was supposed to transform everything, but astronomically wasn’t all that convergent.
Yeah, and every generation since the 1st cent AD, has been told that Jesus is coming to straighten this mess out any day now. It’s right around the corner. Just be patient.
Works like a charm.
Jesus is here–he’s watching and taking names.
And he’s gonna kick ass and he’s gonna pick up everybody who loves him and take them for a ride in his space ship. Just wait another few centuries while the New World Order is put in place, then they’ll really be in trouble. Meanwhile it is the Illuminati who runs the religion behind the curtain through Freemasonry, Knights of Malta etc. People, please wake up. It’s up to you. Stop being sheep!
All of this is very sad to behold PJ. I know you are angry and frightened. We all are. Your tantrums and angry rants are not helpful though.
Snap out of it, and get a hold of yourself.
PJ – “And yes, Freemasonry is a religion. A district court has ruled it to be a religion though most masons will deny this fact as they deny just about every other fact about it. But it is not a religion of the common people. It is a religion of, by and for the elite.”
I’d really like to know which district court said that..I’d also like to know, what facts, are we said to deny? Mind you, No one Mason speaks for ALL Freemasonry. back to the beginning….
If RP was a Mason, believe me, the Masonic organizations to which he might belong would promote his membership. Not necessarily his candidacy, we don’t do that, but they would publish that he was a member of a certain Lodge, or Chapter, or Scottish Rite Valley.
Speaking of ELITE’s. Personally, I like elites, being intelligent makes you an elite, having a good job you’re proud of makes you an elite, anything that has you stand up from the common herd marks you as an elite. Now should those who show themselves as elite represent or rule the common heard?? Don’t they already?? I don’t see many cashiers running for even City Council much less Congress. My personal feeling is that anyone that I vote for should show themselves to be an elite in some way, shape, or form. Why vote for just some schmuck??
Natasha – “As for their dwindling membership. They have bounced back from such declines before.”
The only “bounceback” that can be seen in a similar way in US Freemasonic History is the re-growth after the “Morgan Affair”. However the reduction of membership back then was precipitous and much more rapid. About 80% of all Freemasons left the Craft, or were forced out at that time. I’m sure PJ might like to see that again, ;-) but that hasn’t been happening.
If you take a look at a book called “Bowling Alone” you’ll see a nice analysis of the lessening of Social capital in the US since 1960 and the reduction of membership in Freemasonry is reflected by this. Since 1960 the membership rolls have dropped to half of what they were.
My feeling is that this will NOT be fixed because it was the “glut” of members in the 1950’s which was the unusual thing, not the reduction.
A question for PJ and others here.. Do you actually know, are related to, or perhaps have just had a face to face conversation with a Freemason?? Its very easy to demonize someone you’ve never actually met or dealt with as a human being…
OH! but I forget, we are actually possessed reptilian shape changers from another dimension ;-)
davidg
You use the word elite, in the very broadest, proportional, comparative sense. I speak not of those who are relatively better educated, nor those of higher social and or economic class, nor even those regarded as having greater intelligence.
Rather, by ‘the elite’, I speak of those who are of special bloodlines, being made privy to secret knowledge, having also power and influence far above and beyond all others, regardless of educational, economic and even social status.
That the intelligence of individuals among their number, is often both highly questionable and even vividly suspect, has been made woefully clear to many of recent also, and it is for that we are now even aware of this very subject.
Now regarding, “the lessening of Social capital in the US since 1960”, which you referred to. While you may be correct about the implications of such regarding the mere declining of Masonic membership, within your perspective; it is yet clear to my eyes that the craft, of conferring privilege to those of The Bloodline, has remained intact. A good example of this is to be had, by considering that it is well known that both George Herbert Walker Bush and his son George W Bush, both alike surrounded themselves with their fellow Bonesmen, through granting cabinet member status to their fellow members of S&B. Much the same, of tradition, has long occurred in Britain without restraint.
Such craft practiced here in the US, has far from remaining in decline, as intended by the very structure of the American Republic which was established in utter opposition to the Royal lineage, was reestablished once again with renewed vigor, at the rise of Ronald Wilson Reagan. He being of supposedly common parentage, really was most certainly not, and he was not to such an extreme, that you cannot now believe.
We have long known all these things would occur, and we watch even now, as each detail we were forewarned of unfolds in minute detail.
Daniel 8: 23-25
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Revealation 13: 1, 11, and 18
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Fools mock knowledge.
While Reagan was wrongly regarded to be of common stock, alluded to in the bible as arising from ‘the sea’, his immediate successor George HW Bush, is well known to be of Royal descent, having familial ‘roots’ going very deep.
Reagan who was mortally wounded while in office, even surviving his wound to the astonishment of the entire world, was succeeded immediately by the highborn, oh so genteel, lambish (wimp factor) George HW Bush, who even now secretly carries on Reagan’s geopolitic outlined in the defense planning guideline.
The same Defense Planning Guideline, which was coauthored during the Reagan administration by Dick Chaney and Donald Rumsfeld, among others, clearly outlined both the overt military and covert Intel operations, that we have seen the Bush ‘junior’ administration carrying out of late in the Persian Gulf States.
All of the military equipment and weapons specialized for desert warfare, i.e. tanks and desert camouflage uniforms etc., not to mention stealth aircraft invisible only to third world radar systems (not Britain’s, Russia’s or China’s), were both funded and entered into production during the Reagan administration, and Bush junior works at the direction of his dad HW Bush, to carry out Reagan’s plan to usher in world government, just as will his successor.
We shall soon witness the final and irrevocable destruction of the sovereign state paradigm, founded upon the international monetary reserve treaty, which has for so long been maintained by, the stabilizing and regulatory function of, trading Persian Gulf oil only in US dollars. In fact at this very moment, the aforementioned treaty, is being dissolved by mutual agreement.
Through further escalation of overt military aggression and covert false flag terrorism, both in the Islamic Persian Gulf States and various remaining constitutional republics (so called democracies), the dissolution of all human rights will be accomplished, as all sovereign nations states are dissolved into a unified world government, built upon a standardized, cashless, global electronic funds transfer economy, for which Reagan advocated so strongly on several occasions while President of the US.
Is Ron Paul a secret Mason? Does he smoke pot, as he listens to classic 60s rock, while playing dungeons and dragons in his dirty underwear? Well, I for one, could not care less. The very question, is obviously just a new twist on the ongoing RP Psyop, which I suppose is to make us think AHA! Ya see now? They don’t want us to vote for RP, and so they cooked up this rumor! I can absolutely guarantee you, that their plans could never be overturned with RP becoming President, and if they could be, ……… RP would be dead as disco. So please get over the whole RP thing.
Get over Alex Jones, and his fellow disinformationist, like Nemo and Watson also, and for heavens sake drop Jeffy Rense with his ridiculous and disgusting Holocaust denial. His stuff is designed, to not only distract and blind you, it is also crafted to get you all labeled as terrorists, soon to be sweating it out at Gitmo. Yes Zionism is a bad thing. Yes the Israeli government, like all the other governments, truly is evil. Yes European Jews do dominate the media and business in the west, and yes indeed, many of them are in on it. Not all Jews are Zionist devils however, and many Israelis hate their government and are trying to resist the inevitable, just as you are. The Holocaust most certainly did happen, and it is happening again right now. All of the sons of Abraham and their descendants, both the Jacobian Hebrew Jews and the pre Jacobian Arabs and their relatives, are all alike targeted. Satan is every bit as devious, and clever, as he is evil.
Isn’t “The Craft” an occultic phrase to say the least?
As for people–I’m more concerned about the measure of someone’s heart rather than they exemplify various superficial standards of success.
“anything that has you stand up from the common herd marks you as an elite. ”
Not even going to touch that one–haha.
Most sociopaths seem crafty and smart too and just reel you in emotionally and in other ways.
Natasha, to me, seems to be on track with her knowledge. She is well versed on her points, including who Jesus Christ really is. She must be a believer in the true God and his holy scripture. If one is a believer of the Holy Bible, i mean every word printed in the book, it is fair to say how world events will conclude under mankind rule. The book of Revelation/Prophesy has all of your answers. Although hard to understand on some verses, at the present time the hidden messages are springing forth. Thanks to advanced technology, information spread through various paths, documentation evidence shared by a few to the whole public (sad that only a few are willing to explore such information), and the silly events taking form in the world stage and within our homelands. Strange Government policies put in place by our leaders. Our Institutions are run by radicals of the worst form. Isn’t it ironic that the opposite of God’s true nature is under attack in our society, while a Luciferian mentality is being enforced upon us. Did not Jesus say ” Satan is the prince of this world”. Of course, from the fall of Adam and Eve/mankind to the end of the tribulation period.
I have known for sometime God’s work with events of human race were by design to fulfill his purpose, now i know Satan’s work is also by design. All with God’s foreknowledge and blessings. God is in control. He has a well thought plan since the beginning, satan is a tool to accomplish many of these requirements.
Satan is extremenly devious. He is God’s bitter rival. The complete opposite of God. His hatred for God and his creation has not limits…completely out of control. But, he is a true copycat of God.
Let’s look at it from this perspective. God had-has his Prophets-evangelicals/Satan had-has freemasons and now the more powerful secret societies such as the illuminati, Christ’s birth through king David’s bloodline/the Antichrist through the Luciferian elite secret societies bloodline, God is a Trinity being-Father/Son/and the Holy spirit, Satan is the Dragon/Beast-Antichrist/False Prophet as seen in the book of Revelation. Christ was crucified and risen from the dead in the resurrection/Antichrist recieves a deadly wound and he too is risen from such a blow to the forehead. Quite possibly artificial /faked, to deceive the multitudes and be accepted, once and for all, as the true one to come Messiah.
From what i’ve heard and understand, nations are to give-up their sovereignty to be replaced by ten regional provinces. North America one, South America two, Africa three and so on. The world will be a country under a luciferian constitution, with the Antichrist placed on his throne as the head-states-man/sole ruler. Could this be what the book of revelation means “ten kings will give their power onto little horn” /Antichrist.
The Bible ends with the book of Revelation. There is no added CONCLUSION after that book where all people come to their senses with repentence of sin and give-up their will onto the Lord.
I believe all this will come to pass whether we like it or not. In time will all these things come to the forefront and make believers out of every single individual. God never fails. It is impossible. He is sovereign, the one that possesses supreme authority.
Thanks for letting me place my comments on this forum. I’ve enjoyed reading the many others here. I’m learning new things on a regular basis.
“All with God’s foreknowledge and blessings. God is in control. He has a well thought plan since the beginning, satan is a tool to accomplish many of these requirements.”
With all due respect–I don’t feel God “blesses” any of this.
And to say Satan is God’s “tool?” Would seem to just make them both the same thing?
“I believe all this will come to pass whether we like it or not.”
Sorry–I have to disagree with this.
A simple exercise of logical deduction will tell you that if the god of Abrahamic religion is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, then “he” is also in control of all places, persons and things, including Satan, Lucifer etc. Which means god “lets” Satan rule over humanity wreaking havoc, destruction and causing hell on Earth. He “foresaw” the enslavement of humanity under the New World Order because it was all part of his Big Plan. And not only does he create the universe, the world we live on with all its human confusion, suffering and misery, but he also, in classic Hegelian style, offers the “solution”.
“God” then sounds an awful lot like the Illuminati to me who create crises, elicit reactions and offer their “solutions” to the crises they created.
Top level Illuminati are the heads of Protestant, Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox churches. It was always that way from the very start from the very roots of this mythos that was created for the purpose of mass mind control so that idiots like Natasha (who sides with the Freemasons against me) would believe that Jesus is going to “take our people off the planet”.
Illuminati bullshit.
Well, i don’t know if Natasha sided with the Freemasons, if anyone does it is wrong. I did not read all of her comments. truth is, the Freemasons serve the darkside. Whether with a conscious state of mind or not-it does not matter.
As for wil,
I may have been misunderstood or i was not more specific in some areas. If you are familiar with the story of Job in the Old Testament, he was a blessed man because of his faith in God…a very Godly man. He was blessed by God with a large family and wealth. Satan came to the presense of God and asked if he could interfere with the life of Job. Satan explained to God the reason Job was so loyal to him was due to all his blessings/riches provided him. God, by choice, gave him permission. God’s nature is to test his own. He uses Satan to do such. Job’s family was slaughtered by the sword, painful sores occupied his whole body. Although he suffered much, yet he remained faithful. After he passed the test, his blessings were doubled, tripled or so much more. Again, if your are a believer of the Holy Bible, it is fair to say the Jewish race in the Old Testament was a chosen people of God ( i am not a jew by the way). On many occassions when his people rebelled agains’t him with sin, he used their enemies as a form of judgement upon his chosen by invasion of war. God simply allows it to happen without his protection.
God doesn’t order Satan to do evil upon the people. Satan does it all on his own, God allows it to happen on many occassions because of people’s rebellion/sin. People were given a free will to make choices, and because of their choices consequenses of good or evil are the result.
God’s original plan for mankind was diminished when Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the fruit of the “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil”, Genesis-ch.2-vrs.17. The result was sin and the fall of mankind from a Holy God. Satan was overjoyed because he knows God too well. After all, he is a Holy God, no sin can enter his Kingdom. A penalty must be paid for the forgiveness of sin. The penalty must be in blood form. Worthy blood that is, one that is pure without sin. Man’s purity has been contaminated with the fall of mankind. Satan was well aware of that, so therefore he was certain all of mankind would face an eternal judgement -just as he will. He know’s too well God’s nature is Love,Mercy,Grace-but also a God of Justice. All rebellion/sin will be judged. He is a sovereign God. His nature cannot be manipulated-although people think they can change God and his ways by form of man made religions such as Catholism, Protestant, Anglican, Orthodox,Moslem,Budtha and so on. These are man made Idols/Religions. They are ideas of Satan to man to deceive the many to think it is a means to enter God’s kingdom. God’s ways cannot be changed. It is impossible. Because of his love for mankind, his plan to retrieve a people for himself was in the form of his SON. Again, Satan underestimated God, little did Satan know God would sacrifice his beloved SON to save mankind. “For God so loved the world (mankind) that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.)John:ch.3-vrs.16. This alone explains how serious sin is to a Holy God. All sin must be punished accordingly. Only the sinless life of Christ was his pure blood worthy of sacrifice for all sin-acceptable to God. “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God”-John-Ch.1 Vrs.12. “If anyone would come after me, he must must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me”-Matthew-Ch.16-vrs.24. “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John:ch.14-vrs.6.
No-one can tell God what to do-how they should enter his Kingdom-how to avoid his Judgement. “I AM WHO I AM”Exodus:ch.3-vrs.14.
False prophets, false religions is not of God. It is of Satan. Jesus Christ is not a Religion nor did God send religion as a living sacrifice for all sin. But one has to be aware of false Prophets and false religions. Even those that claim to be christians. God cannot be fooled. Impossible. He knows his own.
George Bush had me fooled for awhile, by claiming to be an Evangelical Christian. I once believed 9/11 was an outside terrorrist attack. I also once believed the war on Afghanistan and Iraq was a righteous war. Due to my recent research i discovered Bush as a member of the Occult Skull and Bones. Little did i know of this Satanic Secret Society-“No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money (Satan).”-Luke:ch.16-vrs.13. Now to me, whether they are the Republicans, the Democrats, Independants, the Conservative Party, Liberal Party, N.D.P, Etc., chances are these few Luciferian occult secret societies have them in the palm of their hands. God directs/allows these circumstances to fulfill his word to completion.
I truly believe we are entering the last Biblical Book of Revelation/Tribulation period. Too much is happening in this world that are not normal, but by design. Satan is growing impatient. His time is near end.
Folks, again i say this is what i believe. I truly believe the Bible is the true word of God. He inspired his word through his Prophets and Apostles. Multitudes do not believe it. They too have that right. We all were given a free will to choose/decide for our/themselves. If God gives that freedom to every single individual, no-one should have the right to take it away.
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” Mark:ch.13-vrs.31.
Thanks Again.
I was looking up ‘pillar of Justice’ in the google search. This was one of the four links.
The root of injustice is a funny and painful thing. The megalith of Justice was damaged and you have competing Gods vying for control.
The megalith of Government was left standing. The megalith of Military was left standing. Since the accident that wounded the megalith of Justice, both Government and Military had to learn to submit to the Christian God and his son Jesus.
They were left at the top of the meglith that still rules Justice because the Gods above them fell to the earth although they were not of the earth.
There are solutions for this problem but the military calling the system corrupt is the pot call the kettle black. A kettle is worth 3 times more then a pot.
Ciao
Michael
Dear Augustus–
I have to agree with Paul–you’re not making God sound any better or different than the NWO Illuminati–
To reword slightly what you wrote–
You make it sound anything I or others do is pointless and irrelevant, that we just have to take it, until something else happens to make it better?
If I/we have no say so or choice–then–what are we supposed to do in the meantime?
I don’t know how the italic thing happened–that was unintentional. And part was omitted.
Here is the corrected version of the above garbled comment—-
I have to agree with Paul–you’re not making God sound any better or different than the NWO Illuminati–
To reword slightly what you wrote–
–I believe all this will come to pass whether we like it or not. In time will all these things come to the forefront and make microchipped hive serfs out of every single individual. Elites never fail. It is impossible. They are sovereign, the ones that possess supreme authority.–
Overall you make it sound anything I or others do is pointless and irrelevant, that we just have to take it, until something else happens to make it better?
If I/we have no say so or choice–then–what are we supposed to do in the meantime?
We are supposed to become good little born-again sheep under the shepherd(s), believe that the NWO is all inveitable, part and parcel of God’s Great Work since he created everything including Satan, that our only salvation is to believe in Jesus (or we go to hell and burn horribly for all eternity – oh those poor, poor Hindu children, too bad!) and just to wait it out in the hills until Jesus finally “comes to take our people off the planet” as Natasha states. This is absolute madness, yet people are so scared of what might happen if they don’t believe it and of course, it was planned that way.
Or as the more militant Christians state, yes, it is all inevitable, we are going to be put in camps and executed, but we can and should do whatever we can protect ourselves, go down shootin, place our bodies on the gears and levers of the Machine to slow the NWO down a bit, not because we can stop it, but so that God will see what good little Christians we are and won’t therefore punish us for all eternity in fire and brimstone. That is what Alex Jones likes to say, which is representative of the majority of the Christian patriot movement.
Then, there are the members of the more pragmatic Paulite religion who state that all we have to do is elect a presidential savior who will get in there and kick some Federal Reserve ass, who will re-establish our Masonic Republic under the constitution, which is riddled with loopholes that you can drive a train through, but nevertheless, we must restore it, all the while negating the truth that the United States was originally set up by the British Masonic elite (who didn’t allow ordinary people to vote or see what was really going on, by the way) as a Masonic Republic, built by slaves (including the capital buildings themselves) in the New World, as the Rosicrucian New Atlantis, that would be used as the engine of the New World Order, which it has, and which would then be destroyed when they were done using its land, resources and manpower. Which is happening right now. All of which can be confirmed by examining the secret Masonic street layout, approved by the founders themselves. No, it was not meant for us to govern ourselves. We were only told that to placate us so that we would trust and work to build up this country into the powerful NWO engine that it became. Now that it served its purpose, it is being dissolved into the North American Union.
No, I don’t buy into any of the lies. I go all the way to the truth on this, not half way like most people do. We have been lied to by the government, by the religious teachers, by the educational system, by the media, by the alternative media and by the likes of Ron Paul who is just another establishment politician who has been in Congress off and on for over thirty years, who never met a Freemason he didn’t like, who never said anything against the real establishment who are the elite ruling families like the Rockefellers, and who made sure that he distanced himself as far as possible from those who rightly see 9/11 truth as the lynchpin of the New World Order, without which it could not succeed and which, if truly exposed for what it is, will stop the NWO dead in its tracks. That is the last thing Ron Paul wants to do or involve himself in.
I don’t see the NWO as inevitable. It is only as long as people believe in lies, big lies, and as long as they want to follow the leader over a cliff. But if enough people do decide to wake up (including those who are still sleeping, but dreaming that they are awake!) and really get the Big Picture, then there is a chance that the human race can pull through and establish truly free countries that are not dominated by Masonic elites as our has been since it’s founding. Most countries have been set up and controlled in much the same way. Bolivar was a Mason. Allende was a Mason. The dictators of Africa are either Masons or members of the elite religious orders. Europe and Russia most definitely ruled by top Masonic Illuminati. It goes on and on. No wonder we are entering a New World Order on a global scale!
So, if you follow the Freemasons, the mason-friendly Ron Pauls, Alex Jones’s or the nasty Natashas and brainwashed Augustus’s of this world, we will certainly fail to stop the NWO and this world will definitely become a living hell for most of the people on this planet. Of course most Christians want that hell to descend upon us because then they believe Jesus is then not far behind, as generation after generation all believed during times of crisis.
But here is the deal. It is not God’s choice, not Satan’s choice, but our choice. That is what true freedom is about. As long as you submit to religious mind-control, the human race is totally screwed. I don’t want that to happen which is why I bother to do this blog in the first place, hoping real hard that people will be intelligent enough, and brave enough to stand up as FREE AND INDEPENDENT INDIVIDUALS FIGHTING AGAINST THE ILLUMINATI, WITH THE INTENT OF WINNING.
Wil,
Jesus is for everyone-Jews and Gentiles alike. He waits patiently for you. He desires you for himself. To save/protect you from Satan and his evil foot soldiers here on earth such as the illuminati,Bilderbegers,Skull and bones, High degree Freemasons, Neo Cons, etc .
“I believe all this will come to pass whether we like it or not.In time will all these things come to to the forefront” That is what the Bible Says. I believe it based on what the word of God says. Not based on the figment of my imagination. All is beyond my control. I know there will be a NWO, with the Antichrist/Satan incarnate as world leader. That is what the book of Revelation teaches.” Satan and his Illuminati are sovereign and posses supreme authority”? Maybe on us people since they control all Wealth, Natural Resources, Militaries,Governments and it’s Institutions. As powerful and clever Satan may be, he still is nothing but a whisper of God away from being destroyed. Their power is here on earth allowed by God for a short while. Scripture needs to be fulfilled according to God’s plan. Every word and event will come to pass before God interferes to claim back his creation and destroy all evil once and for all.
I believe the scenario that may take place soon is quite obvious. The illuminati and their fellow secret societies have done it in the past with the French Revolution, American Civil War, Russian Civil War, First World War, the Great Depression, Second World War etc. They designed the present great morally culture breakdown with their tools such as FRS, Politicians,CIA, Terrorism, Scientists,Hollywood, Feminism, Book Publishing/Authors , Magazine Publishing,Television, Mainstream Media, Secondary Schools, Unniversity Schools, Corrupt Family and Juridical Courts, Advocates and the silly Government Policies with a Luciferian Theology. To manipulate our daily lives, to brainwash civilization with lies, to weaken peoples psyche and morality with luciferian Theology to prepare all to accept a One World Government without a whisper. Truth is, people have been more stubborn to accept it as they originally thought. Godly Evangelical Christians, Law Abiding people with legal guns,people such as these here in this forum, and some good honest leaders have made it difficult for them. Some drastic steps must be taken by them. They are losing patience. They cannot wait much longer. They want the world for themselves now! This is how it may happen. Cause world economies to deteorate, manipulate energy crisis with out-of-control high oil prices, manipulate circumstances to cause a phony food shortage crisis, man made viruses such is Aids, world currencies loose all value, extremenly high inflation,hunger kicks in amongst the crowds, violence for survival, in-side terrorist attacks, Martial law kicks in with a privately well trained elite army made up of many hardcore criminals as they slaughter millions. It will make all other previous catastrophies seem like a family picnic. In the mist of confusition and desperation, people will seek out for a saviour, any saviour. These Elite Secret Society groups that caused all this in the first place, will come out of their secret places and bring order. A new NWO economic system will take affect, similar to a Marxist Communist system under a luciferian Constitution. The AntiChrist will be revealed and placed on the throne. A seven year peace plan between Israel and the Palestine people will be made. The seven year tribulation period as explained in the Book of Revelation begins. All religions of this world will gather and comprimise with a One World Religion. It is in the works at this point in the city with seven hills. Rome/Vatican.
The Antichrist or Lawless One or the Beast are his names will be received by multitudes. He will be a great communicator, filled with human wisdom, very brilliant and comes across as a great man of peace. People will by into his outer facade because, he will be extremenly convincing. after all he is Satan incarnate. The Mark of the Beast will be placed on the forehead or arm of people. Could be a Microchip. Any that does not receive the Mark of the Beast cannot buy nor sell food or anything for that matter. You will be imprisoned or most likely executed. For them that do recieve the Mark of the Beast will most definitely loose their soul. To lose one’s soul, and having to face Christ in the Great White Throne Judgement Seat is what frightens me. Satan may kill the body, it is God that destroys the soul in the Lake of Fire for all Eternity. It is the place Satan,Antichrist, False Prophet and a large multitude of past/present/future unsaved people will spend for eternity.Three and half years/midway through the tribulation period, the Antichrist/Beast true nature will be revealed. The pact of Israel and Palestine people will be broken. People for the first time will experience, in person, the true nature of Satan’s hatred fury. He is the king of evil,hate and all that is opposite God. Hittler and all the rest of his ilk are choir boys in his presence. Third world war begins, plagues, extreme hunger,extreme thirst, The Seven Bowls of God’s wrath upon the world. One third of people will be killed by the Antichrist’s army, one third will be killed by thirst and starvation. and the suffering the living will endure is second to none. This too will last three and half years. The end of Satan’s and Human rule will end in the battle of Armageddon. The Antichrist will gather all the Worlds armies to face/fight a coming Christ in Glory with his Saints and Angels. Christ will whisper to the enemy “DIE”, so they will die.
It is what the Bible teaches. I believe what the Bible teaches. I cannot explain it any-other-way. No-one can convince me otherwise. No other-one is obligated to believe it. We all have the right to choose our beliefs according to a Free Will given us by God. It’s just the way things are.
But if you asked me, what is one supposed to do? I would answer like this; First and above all, seek God so that he may draw you to his Son Jesus Christ. Christ is your only hope for salvation. He purposely submited his life to suffer and be crucified for the sin’s of this world. He now lives through the resurrection. only he can protect you from the evil of this world and the final Judgement- Do not accept the Mark of the beast- Do not worship the Beast-pass on to others the knowledge you have of the Elite Secret Societies such as Illuminati and their plans for the NWO. It is a plan made out of HELL. The work of SATAN himself.
Thanks you all,
Good Night
I can not believe the Illuminati/Masonic/New World Order/ Neofeudal Global Union is inevitable. Because that is what the dark aristocracy wants us to believe.
I do not believe “resistance is futile.”
Paul–protest we did the other day–people asking the same questions again–who are we with, who do we represent? Nobody can believe just individuals acting on our own by ourselves. During a pause in the reporter barrage my friend turned and joked–I’d really rather be at home mowing my grass. Which is true–it’s not like we really enjoy confronting ahole politicians and their sycophants and wannabees, but because we love our country and what it can be, and are concerned for the future.
Wil,
I approve of your indivdual approach. That is where greatness arises from, not from mass movements or personality cults. We do have a country, but one that was handed to us by the masons, who still control it and are now pushing it into the next phase of amalgamation with the NAU. This is the problem.
Since we are human beings who find ourselves in this land which we have accepted as ‘home’, we still have the right to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I do not believe in the Ron Paul Masonic Revolution approach to “restoring the republic” because that Masonic republic is rotten to its foundations. The only way out is to completely secede from it, abolish it and, if the states want to voluntarily join some kind of confederation again, I guess that is up to them.
In any case, the future is very uncertain and dangerous whether there is a true overturning of the NWO or not. Either way, it is sketchy for us, so we have to prepare for that and be very brave as we face whatever comes at us.
I was thinking about the militias lately, and how part of me is for them, but part of me is very distrustful of them since the probability of a militia being infiltrated or even run by the intelligence agencies is incredibly high. So, I don’t think we should trust them personally. Therefore, it is really an individual battle we all need to wage.
The other thing is that Christians cannot be depended on to fight for freedom. If they really read their Bibles, and most of them don’t, they will find that they are not supposed to resist tyranny, but to lay down to it. See:
Titus 3
Put them in mind to be in subjection to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient…
Peter 2:13-17
Submission to Rulers and Masters
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
Romans 13:1
Submission to the Authorities
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
So to all you Christians out there, take heed. What is the point in you doing anything but waiting it out until your savior comes to pick you up and take you off the planet? There is no point in doing anything but sing praises and haleluiahs and obey your masters.
That is according to your Good Book.
By the way, try transposing the word “Illuminati” for the word “God” in some Bible passenges. It is very illuminating. It is illuminating because “God” did not write the Bible. It was written by the elite mystery religion priesthoods who were and are the Illuminati shepherds. Those who follow it are servants of the Illuminati, and it is no wonder then that they identify with being somehow elite, special, above the world. Hence their incredible smugness and arrogance.
please…stop the idle gossip. I know Ron Paul’s family, since I have had the great honor of living in Braz Co,TX for 30+yrs, so I went straight to them. His g-son stated Ron’s only connection was that his father-in law was a mason and had a masonic funeral. His sister-in-law simply said, “no”, he is no mason. That should suffice as these people are in a far better position than the “speculators”. One of those perpetuating this mythology seems to consider him/herself a theologian as well. I think the record should also be set straight that Moses did not have 1 on 1 time with God in the Holy of Holies. That was strictly a privilege of the High Priest, his bro Aaron. Moses 1 on 1 time with the Lord was on the mountain top when he went to get the law for the people to live by. He had to wear a veil upon his return to protect the people from the glory of God that continued to radiate from him for some time following. As I recall if anyone but Aaron would have gone into the HoH they would have died. The good news is, we can all have a taste of that “Shekinah” experience Moses and Aaron had, by spending time with the Lord, primarily by spending time in His Word. Excellent treatment for the anxiety created by the world as we already know it, and the new world order to come.
s.doyle
BRAVO!!!!!!!! Thank you for using reason and intellect in this discussion and bringing the fox to ground, as it were. If his family says he wasn’t then its pretty darned sure that he wasn’t.
Natasha
I have a good deal of respect for those who post here. I have very little respect for Prophecy in the Bible. It has been written, re-written, and translated in so many ways that there can be a great deal of confusion if you try to use it literally. but hey! Thats just my opinion, .. you mileage may differ ;-)
S.Doyle,
Did you ask his wife Carol why Penny Freeman, RP’s scheduler for ten years, would lie about her being in Eastern Star?
Also ask why she would lie about RP going to “many” Masonic meetings. Does Penny Freeman have some kind of vendetta against Ron Paul? This is what we all want and need to know.
Since you live right next door and know them so well, it should’t be too much to ask.
I read recently Jesus supposedly said somewhere–“Go buy a sword”, but I’m afraid I don’t know the passage. Even as metaphor–something to think about.
The obedience statements seem convenient for the would be earthly powers.
The greatest gift god/infinite/source gave us is selfhood, and our minds and hearts to choose and act.
God/? wants free men and women, not robots or slaves or minions.
Mike wrote,
“They were left at the top of the meglith that still rules Justice because the Gods above them fell to the earth although they were not of the earth.”
Mike,
Those “gods who fell to earth” however, were in fact thrown out of the dimension we call heaven after their attempted coup against The Creator, and that is why they have long been here in control of the entire world.
Ever wonder why they have let us know what they are up to? Why do they even dominate the so called anti-globalist and 911 Truth movement?
The answer is, as simple and straightforward as the truth is always, because it serves their purpose to discover not only the identity of those who are not fully under their spell, but even what they think.
For the next step in their plan is impossible to conceal. As world government becomes a vivid reality, they will not be surprised by either the type or source of resistance to it. It is they who set up the INTERNET, for use by military and government, and it is they who also allow the public to use it, even as they continue to manage it to serve their purpose.
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wil wrote,
“I don’t know how the italic thing happened–that was unintentional. And part was omitted.”
wil,
Ever notice how free speech is not tolerated on message boards set up by those who supposedly oppose the total control grid?
They all control the natural flow of dialog, through “moderators” who practice censorship, quite overtly with a heavy hand, and this forum is merely among a new subtle variation they are trying now.
The moment I show up, on most of these forums, I am usually banned and my posts are swiftly deleted. People noticed this however, and so now ‘they’ have begun to retro-moderate my posts, even later subtly altering my words to change their meaning. Of course I am not the only one they have been doing this too. I know I am not so important.
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davidg wrote,
“Natasha I have a good deal of respect for those who post here. I have very little respect for Prophecy in the Bible. It has been written, re-written, and translated in so many ways that there can be a great deal of confusion if you try to use it literally. but hey! Thats just my opinion, .. you mileage may differ ;-)”
davidg,
Does it surprise you to know, that I agree with you that the bible has been messed with, in just the way you say it has?
The fallen Angels who rule this world, have gone to great lengths to obfuscate the bible, and that is because it both exposes their secret doings and they themselves.
At first they simply outlawed private ownership of and reading of the bible, and they maintained that control through the very institution they created and called “the church”. Then with the reformation, the ‘overt’ governmental power and control of their false church was undermined, and the bible, being in the hands of the common people, became a problem for them again.
To address this breach of their control, over the very minds of the masses, they have offered many “re-translations” of the bible. They continue also to take advantage of the Nicene Council editing of the Holy Scripture, which occurred at the creation of their institutionalized false church, and in addition they do also offer many reworded versions of the works they repressed, in addition to many out and fabrications which they claim to be among them.
Another common ploy they use, is their misuse of the bible, to bolster their position and paint the scriptures as misleading and or self contradicting.
The bible does not teach us to refuse to resist our enemy. Rather, the bible tells us how to resist, without either serving the enemy’s purpose or being seduced by it.
We refuse to serve Satan and his world system, and we refuse also the material rewards gained by doing so.
Luke 4: 5-8
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
We do not seek control of this world, by any means at all, because we are merely visitors here temporarily and we simply do not want it.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
We are warriors of another kind, who by His power, are both armed and armored spiritually.
Ephesians 6: 10-13
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Only a select few, can hear any of this and understand, and we are here for them.
Natasha–I believe it was my screwup–not anyone else’s. I was trying to separate/highlight one passage from previous commenter in which I had changed some words–and I think the wordpress site software misinterpreted I was trying to do html or something. And I was able to post the corrected original immediately thereafter.
But I feel I have been censored in other places/websites, but not here that I recall.
Changed a few words to make a point–just to be clear.
OK. Thanks for clarifying that wil. Glad I was wrong about that. :)
So far I haven’t seen any censorship here either, and I check periodically. ;)
Neither DavidG nor Penny Freeman has come forward to explain why she said that Carol Paul was a member of Eastern Star or why RP goes to “many meetings” of the Freemasons.
I take this silence as evidence that they are too cowardly to address the real issue that I raised in the first place, that if Carol is Eastern Star, and their kids were in Rainbow girls, then the likelihood that her husband is a Mason is very high, around 90% in my opinion. And there are several other indicators which I have outlined including his involvement with JBS and the fact that he is the number one candidate for Freemasons.
People say he is a Baptist which is supposed to mean that he is opposed to Freemasonry, but that is no obstacle to being a Mason. In fact, it is an indicator. A large percentage of Baptist ministers are Masons for example. Just research it for yourselves if you don’t believe it.
And of course, we have dis-informationists (including Christians who can’t wait for the Apocalypse) claiming that either the issue is not important, or that we should ignore it and pretend that Freemasons are the good guys. After all, we are constantly reminded, the Founding Fathers were Freemasons, so they MUST be good.
All as we are herded into the Masonic New World Order Matrix system of perpetual war, globalism, social degeneration, economic slavery and tyranny. All supported by frothing members of the Masonic fraternity, the Freemasons, the most powerful group of devious occultists in America.
You people like being sheep and sheepherders don’t you? I really have not seen more than about three people comment here who have any free and independent thought at all. The rest of you are all disgusting slaves in the end and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, of what you have become. Sick!
Not all Freemasons are NWO people. Most in the lower levels of freemasonry, rainbow and Eastern Star are the most wonderful, honest, decent, solid patriotic citizens that could ever live. They lived by the commandments and treated each other and their neighbors as they wished to be treated. I know. I was a child of parents who belonged these memberships. And, I had lovely parents and a wonderful childhood.
However, they have long been deceased. I now know that I am educated about Freemasonry, why my father and his brothers left the organization once they reached the 32nd degree. It was as though lightening struck.
Well, from the 33rd degree on, a member would have to choose whether God, Family and Country came first or the will of those evil ones higher up in the Masonic order. I also now know why my father and his brothers chose to stop attending once they reached that level.
You might say that they had a conscience or perhaps you could call it the “holy spirit” at work. What matters is they stopped.
I gues it goes to show you can’t trust anyone fully.
PJ is censoring posts here after all.
I am being censored over on this page of his blog.
relentless // June 11, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Natasha // June 11, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I tried to post the following, and it did not post because “it is awaiting moderation”.
Stop the censorship!
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Natasha // June 11, 2008 at 7:18 pm
will,
Very true, and yet though Soviet style balkanization is being employed by them in their subversion campaign, it remains true also that Nazi style false flag terrorism and use of media propaganda, is also in full effect.
The bloodline wants us to continue to view their Nazi Socialism as oppositional to their Soviet Socialism, and yet that is really just their divisive strategy in operation.
Communism and Fascism are far more than merely similar in actual practice. Neither represent, even so much as a non alternative to the so called other, as they are really but related forms of socialist totalitarianism.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
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Once again this was at the bottom in bold print.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Now my posts here are being kept out, because as he says, “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
So I will try to post this, knowing that you will read it PJ.
PJ,
Lots of people are looking at the very same screen I now see on my computer, since I am linked to them through ‘.net’, and screen shots of this session will be made available, all over the INTERNET, if you do not stop censoring my posts.
Just say, it was mistake, as you did last time.
Apparently PJ will not allow me to post certain information in his blog.
That the above post went through only proves that he is there, right now deciding in real time, what he will allow to be posted, and there is no mistake involved.
There was nothing in my censored post would violate any TOS.
Natasha–did any of your comments have links on them? Sometimes comments I write won’t post if I have certain links. WordPress does not seem to like wiki links, and I tried to post article about Obama’s Veep Bilderberger advisor resigning, but the yahoo link I guess wasn’t welcome either. But I was able to post other comment. I think the wordpress software just doesn’t like certain links, or vice versa–perhaps.
Natasha you are an idiot and your tone is extremely arrogant.
In order to cut down on spam, WordPress automatically puts comments with links into moderation. I always approve legitimate comments unless they start to become abusive on a regular basis which you are in danger of becoming.
WATCH IT. And if I do decide to dump you for abuse, then in that case I recommend you get your own blog and then maybe you will get to experience the same whiny treatment from somebody else.
All anyone need do, to quickly settle this issue, is to click on the name pjwalker911 at the top of his posts.
That will take you to the current home page of his little blog here.
Then go to the comments for the article, ‘Blackwater’s Private CIA’, and you will see that what ‘I myself’ tried to post contained no links.
‘I’m’ an idiot?
lol : D
Just scroll down to ‘Blackwater’s Private CIA’ and check the comments people.
PJ calling others arrogant and abusive. lol : D
Just read some of his posts above, and then see how PJ reacts to those to disagree with him.
Melanie.. Sorry to say.. you’re wrong.. the 33rd degree is no different than any other, no such choice is necessary. I think you’ve been lied to in that regard. I think your relatives might have left the Craft because they either lost interest, or had no time for it..
That is all..
I read this when it was first posted and tried my best to rationalize it. But seeing where things are at now as far as the RP, in hindsight I have to say I’m not pretty sure we’ve all been had again. It was controlled opposition from the start. and the new “Liberty” movement proves it. Logical analysis is what we pride ourselves on, right? Well people, despite all the fancy words, here is how they got us this time:
1. Bankrupt us from the start by breaking campaign donation records and making us think throwing our money at the problem would fix it,
2. Give us hope and then brutally crush it, creating the feeling of hopelessness and renewed apathy.
And look what good ol’ RP is doing for the “movement” now… having a convention on the same night as the Republican convention. Is the rally on the same day as a sign of protest? No… doesn’t it make more sense that this rally is being held so that the RP supporters are guaranteed to be occupied a safe distance from the Republican convention, keeping them from crashing the party and doing some REAL protesting?
Sorry, folks. Whether he is a mason or just naive, RP castrated the movement.
It makes me sick. What did ron paul do to break up the fed that gives the nwo it’s power?
There is a higher position called OTO. Yes, it is satanic.
The main purpose of Ron Paul’s presidential race was so the government could get names of “revolutionist” now called “home grown terrorist”.
I got on the RP bandwagon for a short time until I saw he did nothing about the election fraud way back during the Iowa Caucus.That’s when I knew something didn’t smell right. Jesus is my King!
Who cares if he is a freemason, IMHO it’s not the masons that run things anyway it’s the Jews.
Dr. Paul wants to abolish the IRS and give us back our money, limit big gvernment and close the bordes…THATS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!
I am really tired of this NWO/ Illuminati C.R.A.P, I am a Master Mason and I know for a fact that the Masons do nothing more than help the community. We have no control over the government; if we did the world would be a better place! NWO and the Illuminati also known as the Bilderberg group (H. Clinton’s group) have no ties to the Freemason’s. If you all do some serious research about the freemasons other than the sites that spout out lies of conspiracy theory, you would find that we are a brotherhood/sisterhood of Men and Women dedicated in helping our communities. If Ron Paul is a Mason he should be proud to come out and state this. If Freemasons where such bad people, why do we have a Shriners Hospital or didn’t you all know Shriners are Masons too? I implore you to seek the truth about freemason and find out what freemasons have done for this country.
M.M. Murray
Freemasonry’s Great Work = Novus Ordo Seclorum = New World Order = Global Orwellian Police State Dictatorship.
Freemasonry’s charitable works are nothing more than a front for nefarious activities. The millions donated by masons amount to only a few dollars a year per mason (6 million members in the US alone). The average non-masonic working family scrapes up far more in charitable donations than the average mason does.
The elite of the elite (royal bloodlines = neofeudalism) are all members of the inner secret orders of Freemasonry = Illuminati = Elite Criminal Cabal running the world into totalitarian tyranny which the Freemasons ignore, telling us everything is fine.
M.M. Murray, so you don’t like all this talk about the NWO and the Illuminati eh? That figures.
I for one am sick to death of your masonic crap. The gig is up. Your organization is exposed so you desperately try to malign those who are telling the truth.
Pj walker.. you identify “inner orders of masonry” and say that there are those of royal bloodlines who are in them.. Where did you get this, oh so valuable information.. Alex Jones?? or some other chucklehead!!?! Many Freemasons, myself included ARE very worried about this country, but not from some paranoid conspiratorial illusion, we are worried about the economy, about the poverty of the educational system, about abuses of power that are REALLY out there.. Now, as Masons there is little that we can do since in many ways what worries people, us included is how things feel, not how things are, however we value the brotherhood we have even with those who do not agree with us on all things. I NEVER get into political arguments with my brother Masons even though I KNOW we don’t agree on every issue..
Our organization is exposed? Lets see my Masonic Hall has a 10’x10′ masonic flag in the front right next to the American flag.. Perhaps we’ve exposed ourselves! ;-)
Wow, I stumbled across this forum a couple weeks ago and have been “illumined” to the backwards mentality of those who follow the lies of Freemasonry. Thank you PJ Walker.
I paid attention mostly to PJ vs. LC and JWS. PJ seems to be very well read and a quick discerner of those who are intellectually dishonest. I also liked what Natasha said about Jesus, the Living Lord of the Universe. Bravo sister on defending the Historicity of Jesus and the bible.
Was it you Natasha that encouraged PJ at a certain point to not be discouraged with the personal attacks from the masons? I tried to find the post that said the tactics used by the masons were from Albert Pike and his use of rhetoric to argue endlessly and dishonestly, or something like that? I couldn’t find that post again so any help would be appreciated.
When I read that post, it immediately reminded me of one of my roommates who is arrogant as hell and continually plays games in discussions and or debates. I had already suspected him to be a freemason and that post might help me in understanding where my self-righteous jerk roommate is coming from. He did recently admit to reading Morals and Dogma but said only the beginning. I think this was more of a slip on his part as I’m sure he’s read the whole thing.
Thanks for all the info PJ , Natasha and the rest. I look forward to a good response. Peace…AAA
I am a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Mason. I am also a Sir Knight in the York Rite Commandary. I am also a Blue Lodge Mason and a Shriner. Most of the smears directed at Freemasonry has been and continues to be coordinated by a cancerous growth that has infected every square inch of almost every known religion, secret society, government and ideology on the face of the Earth. In almost every case it is responsible for the “modern” versions of each that you see today. It is Luciferian, meaning that it’s God is Lucifer, and that the path laid out for all of humanity is path laid down by the Sons of Darkness, more well known as the Illuminati. The nexus of the Sons of Darkness was and remains at the highest levels of the old Roman empire’s mystery (occult) school system which survives to this day cleverly camouflaged as the Roman Catholic Church, and lies beneath and within the remaining Royal houses of the world. It’s armies consist of groups calling them Jesuits primarily, and other Catholic and non-catholic “orders”. The founding fathers of the U.S. were Freemasons as I am but from the same school of thought that Illuminism is beyond evil. So evil in fact that I oppose the darkness with light. Those who understand that last sentence will understand where I am coming from. So why the confusion? It is obvious that is that men who were Freemasons, who were our founders, became public enemy #1 to Illuminism and had to be destroyed. Ever since them Illuminists have tried and largely succeeded in crushing the work of our founders, and then Machiavelically blaming the fraternity they are destroying as the party responsible for planning and implementing a NWO. All of you need to grow up and understand that you have made a mess of analyzing a very old process of managing and manipulating civilization that existed long before any of you were born, and may very well continue long after you have passed on to be with the true God that was made flesh and dwelt among us. I have seen the enemy…and it is ignorance. The reason you cannot explain what you see, is that you see what is not there, and miss what is in plain sight. This in part, explains the mastery they have in the black art of human control.
I don’t know how I missed this thread until today. I was a long-time Ron Paul fan and supporter who was in the movement from almost the very beginning (Meetup Coordinator #17, of what eventually became nearly 2000 groups, in Aroostook County, Maine) but became gradually disenfranchised and disgusted about the whole thing based on a whole host of unexplained incidences that did not fit (at least my preconceived) notions many of us held with regard to Ron Paul. I worked my butt off for Ron Paul, and we swept the Aroostook County caucuses for Ron in February.
First, was the way the staff treated Jim Condit, Jr. and his group who were at the Ames Straw poll. They were concerned about vote fraud there, and tried to help, but were demonized by the staff we were all paying with money we really couldn’t afford to give. It was obvious from eyewitness accounts and from the one-hour televised delay of the results that something bad indeed happened there.
The vote fraud issue is critical, and there was no excuse for the grassroots supporters not being permitted to verify the Ames vote, WHICH RON PAUL PROBABLY WON OUTRIGHT– or at least came in a very close 2nd to Money Bags Mitt. This would have made Ron Paul the front runner for the Republican nomination, but alas, this apparently was never the “plan.” After this fiasco, the primary person responsible–the paid State Coordinator–was promoted instead of fired as he should have been.
Then, there was the fiasco with the way Paul Garfield was treated in Michigan, and the total incompetents who were brought in to replace him as state coordinator, including a housewife who had never voted for, a chain dope-smoking filthy moron, and a former Bush ’04 campaign staffer. Garfield may not have been perfect, and was admittedly a “bull in the china shop” type. But at least he knew what he was doing, and had Ron Paul at 12% in Michigan polls before he was unceremoniously dumped by Lew Moore & Co.
Then there were the Iowa caucuses when the supporter list was supposedly lost–all 20,000+ names along with all of the contact information– ON THE VERY MORNING OF THE VOTE. 300 college-aged volunteers thus sat around all day twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do. No one was reprimanded. No one was fired. There, again, vote fraud was not investigated, and this was even worse in the case of NH when it was obvious that the recount was being tampered with. In New York state and across the country, Joe Becker (legal counsel for the campaign) did nothing with DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that people were being told at the polls they could not vote for Ron Paul because he had “dropped out.” All this was way beyond incompetence, and led me to think we were being Peroted/Buchananed again into quite possibly supporting nothing more than a lighting-rod, stalking-horse effort.
Here in Maine, the campaign hired the scion of an international banking family whose father (by his own admission) was a lifelong Rockefeller (Chase-Manhattan Bank) employee. He split the movement here, and invited international callers to listen to our strategy calls, and held our pre-convention “strategy session” in the same building as the RINO State Party Committee meeting at the same time they were meeting! –even letting the RINO Vice Chair of the State Party walk right in on our session uninvited to address us from the podium! The guy never even knocked.
Then, we learned that the national HQ was filled with homosexuals. That Kent Snyder did not die of “pneumonia” but rather of AIDS has been confirmed by many, many people. Ron Paul was never able to admit when asked that homosexuality is a sin, which it clearly is based upon many irrefutable Biblical references. Non-Christians and phony conservatives may have no problem with this, but these facts remain: 1> Homosexuals have often infiltrated conservative movements in the past and rendered them ineffective. This is a common M.O. 2> Any serious campaign for the Republican Party nomination is NEVER going to succeed when the leader can not understand the views of the largest bloc of voters (So-called “Chrisitian Conservatives”) within that party, or understand their mindsets so as to woo them.
The campaign never ran ONE SINGLE NATIONAL T.V. AD leading up to Super Tuesday (or any other time for that matter) with 5-6 times the amount of money on hand as John McCain who ran zillions of them. This is also beyond excusable as mere incompetence.
Then Ron Paul himself quit on us before the Republican convention in order to put our remaining money into the hands of some new “Campaign for Liberty,” run, at least in large part, by some of the same people who failed so miserably in the presidential campaign.
I feel betrayed. I never would have worked for this campaign had I known it was being run by a homosexual. I never would have donated money had I known we were not going to run a single national T.V. ad, and I surely would have never worked my butt off to support a Mason.
Now, we learn, thanks to P.J., of the very high probability that I was also supporting a Mason.
I would say that if your wife is in Eastern Star and that your children are in the youth organizations that there is very little likelihood that you are not a Mason. I support P.J. completely in his contentions that this is a huge red flag.
I view Ron Paul now as a decent but very deceived man. He can NOT ever be a serious resistor of the NWO (that explains his position on the 9-11 situation and the Rockefeller culpability–which are near a total abdications of the truth) and say more than he is allowed to say while being a member of this heinous organization.
That we have some sheep her bleating that their pen is pretty and that those trucks lining up with gates down are nothing to worry about does nothing to convince me of any lack of seriousness of the charge.
Kudos also to Natasha for maintaining the truth that Jesus Christ is indeed both a historical figure and the true Son of God and our only real Messiah. P.J.’s views about organized religion are also on target. We must have a personal relationship with God through His Son. No amount of organized hypocrisy can excuse our personal accountability.
I have written to Penny Langford-Freeman for her response to confirm those statements attributed to “Liberty Oak Ranch.” I have spoken to Penny many times on the phone, and I know her email address ties in with “Liberty Oak Ranch” so I am assured it was her genuine statements regarding Ron Paul’s: 1> Wife Carol being a member of Eastern Star, 2> their children being members of the Rainbow Girls, 3> Ron Paul saying he supports this secret society. However, I know, trust and genuinely like Penny, so I need to hear it directly from her, and assess what this all may mean with regard to our correspondence/relationship going forward.
For the Republic,
Steve Martin
Amity, Maine
Steve Martin,
Wow, this is the most substantive comment from another disillusioned and high up RP worker. I would love it if you could put all this into expose’ article form and allow me to post it on its own as an insider’s view of the Ron Paul campaign. And offer it to other venues as well because you have added a great deal to the discussion that I know many thousands will want to see what you have to say.
Whenever Freemasonry is involved (and it is involved in just about everything from education to entertainment to the military, religion and especially politics) there are a lot of fishy things going on that don’t make sense until you realize that this secret society is manipulating events behind the scenes. The bottom line is you just cannot trust a Mason no matter how wonderful his rhetoric sounds to the ears. In fact, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t true.
Please let us know the results of your correspondence with Penny Freemason, I mean Freeman, sorry and I would urge you to include any such derived info in your article. By the way she doesn’t like the fact that I brought this subject up. In fact, she is extremely upset that this Pandora’s Box was opened and hates me for it. Another person said I was “worse than a murderer” for it. But I had to do what I had to do regardless of what people might think of me because I am a patriot and I do care about my countrymen, our freedom and our future together, which is looking pretty grim vis a vis the Masonic New World Order.
PJ
P.J.,
We should go one better, and write a book!
Call me.
I’m searchable: Steve Martin, Amity, ME
There is one historical note here that is of extreme importance. The Masons who started this country were involved in the organization long before the Illuminati influences first came to the first lodge they infiltrated in America (Portsmouth, VA, late 1880s.)
In other words, there were good Masons here in America early on (i.e. Pre-1788 or so) and it took quite awhile for the agents of the evil Illuminati (founded in Bavaria in 1776) to infiltrate and turn a majority of the American and French lodges to the “dark side,” if you will.
It was not until the Presidency of John Adams (1795, I believe, was the year) that the threat of the Illuminati penetration of the lodges and our body politic was perceived as a grave enough threat that the President declared a national day of prayer and fasting over the issue. It was then just a few years later (in 1798) that Scottish Professor John Robison’s treatise “Proofs of a Conspiracy” was published warning about all of the changes in freemasonry that were threatening the entire basis of western culture. 1798 was thus the birth date of “conspiracy theory” as it is commonly misused today by detractors.
It is my belief that if Ron Paul is indeed eventually revealed with 100% certainty eventually to be a Mason, that he should be understood as modern day “good Mason.” However, were that the case, his hiding of the fact would reduce that standing somewhat.
Additionally, I agree totally with P.J. that it is impossible for real patriots to ever know which are which, or to trust a Mason–certainly not for the highest office in the land, given what past known Freemasons have done to the office, the nation, and the Constitution.
Steve,
If it gives you comfort to believe that our founding fathers were not Illuminists, then go on believing that, but the truth is far more diabolical than most people are willing to face up to.
I urge anyone seriously studying the formation of this country to look into the Knights Templar, Jesuits and Rosicrucians to get the real background on Freemasonry. Go into the Court of James I and his Rosicrucian Order of the Helmet Lord Chancellor Francis Bacon who wrote the “New Atlantis” and who administered land grants in the New World.
Look into Rosicrucian Robert Fludd, a translator/interpreter of the King James Bible. Look into the Origins of Rosicrucianism in ancient Egypt.
Freemasony has always, from the beginning, well before Weishaupt’s Illuminati, engaged in practicing the Egyptian Mystery Religion, ie Illuminism for world control and empire.
Point being, there is no “Good Freemasonry vs Bad Freemasonry” any more than there is a “Good Mafia”, which, by the way, is just an outgrowth of Freemasonry.
Jefferson himself was quite comfortable with Weishaupt. Grand Master Mason Franklin was a member of the Hellfire Club. Worshipful Master Washington, head of the Order of Cincinnati, was an Illuminized Mason to his death, received a Masonic funeral and is immortalized in both the Washington Obelisk and a statue of the Baphomet archetype. He also (with Jefferson) approved the “satanic” ie Cabalistic Washington street layout. See:
Hidden Hand of the Men of Jahbuhlun
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica04.htm
if you still think Washington was a wonderful “Christian”, hehe.
The fact is, there is a continuity of secret elite bloodline control coming down from the Pharoahs through Greece and the Roman Empire, into the monarchies of Europe and England, transferred to the Americas and persisting here in the New World of today, the New World Order that is. This is the real Illuminati at work for many centuries, sometimes brutal and tyrannical, sometimes seemingly benign and “democratic”, but always diabolical and malevolent.
My contention is that America was set up by Freemasons (ie Rosicrucians, Knights Templar adepts of the Egyptian and Cabalistic Mysteries) as the New Atlantis. And everyone knows that Atlantis is set up for destruction in the end. And, this is the End, right now. You are witnessing it in the New World Order malaise.
We were all born into this Masonic Matrix, yet never bothered to question it until now.
The Freemasons giveth and the Freemasons taketh away. Why? Because they are hundreds of years ahead of the average schmuck who has no idea that history is the way it is because it was planned that way long ago.
I have a copy of the documents showing the first incursions by the Illuminati into the first American lodge in Portsmouth, VA.
This occurred far too late to have influenced people like Washington and Jefferson. I have never said Jefferson (or Franklin) were great Christians, but the majority of our founding fathers were. Nearly all those who weren’t were Deists who believed that God created the world, but then left it to its own devices. There were no anarchists, no atheists, and no Illuminati among our prominent founding fathers, despite Jefferson’s possible errant reading of Weishaupt.
Let’s not argue over the past. The important point is how we were betrayed AGAIN by these people in the present.
Hello PJ and Steve Martin,
Interesting and sad info Steve regarding Ron Pauls’ presidential campaign. Having recently taken a second look at the cult/secret society that is Freemasonry, I think PJ may be right on with the idea of no such thing as a good Mason.
Steve, I’ve known since I first discovered Freemasonry in the 90’s that the blood oaths themselves were direct rebellion against Gods’ instruction in His Word. So, I don’t think that leaves the lower level “Christian” Masons in a safe position. More could be said.
I was recently really impressed with the documentaries “Secret Mysteries of America’s Beginnings” and the sequel “Riddles in Stone…”. Both available on google video. There is supposed to be a third installment coming out sometime. They talk about what PJ mentioned.
When you consider biblical eschatology, it’s at least plausible that Satan has been building up his world gov for a long time. All the better to deceive people into accepting a world leader to run it. And too, the fact that Jesus said there were also “anti-Christs” in his time. And, the fact that there have been evil leaders along the way. All, a build up to the last anti-Christ who will be defeated, praise God!
Hey PJ, please refer me to that Masonic arguing tactic I asked about before. Again I want to read it myself and understand it so I can be aware of it when I encounter Masons trying it on me. You know what I mean? Rather than going back and forth refuting their bad arguments, I can call them out on it and end it there. Peace…AAA
Basically, I have learned never to trust what comes out of a Mason’s mouth, no matter how wonderful it sounds to the ears. Masons live in an entirely different parallel reality from the normal person on the street. They have taken oaths and sold their souls to another order of existence which culminates in “godhood” at the higher degrees.
They are an elite Cult existing outside the norms of society. There is one set of laws governing the commoners and then they have their own set of rules that demand only allegiance to the brotherhood above all other allegiances.
Such people deliberately put on a show of normalcy for public consumption while practicing in secret quite another way. Therefore, you will see many elite politicians putting on a show of Christian virtue that convinces naive people that they are just like themselves. But nothing could be further from the truth.
Understanding this, one has to realize that you are not talking to a normal person when you are discussing a topic with a Mason. All they do is try to subvert reason and logic in favor of canned propaganda which they never tire of spewing.
They will feed you many bits of propaganda such as “Masons are good Christians” or that there are good Freemasons on one hand, and that there are bad “irregular” Illuminist Freemasons on the other hand. They will tell you that there are no Catholic Freemasons and that the Vatican opposes Freemasonry which is another lie. The Vatican will put out a Papal “Bull” – an appropriate name – for the general public, while they circulate secret directives to the elite clergy. Just one example being the recent “discovery” in the Secret Archives of a Bull that exonerated the Knights Templar of heresy immediately after the public were told otherwise. But they had to wait almost 700 years to hear about it. And the Knights Templar are of course the among the progenitors of Freemasony.
They will tell you that Freemasonry derives from the operative mason’s guilds which is just another half-truth. They will claim that Freemasons are not a secret society, but a “society with secrets”, which should make you laugh. They will claim that they are just another charity group and that they do nothing but help people. Another lie and half-truth. They will claim that only a few of our presidents were Freemasons, when the vast majority were (and that includes the Masonic Skull and Bones). The list of lies is endless.
All I can say is that Freemasons are trained liars and you have to call them on their BS. America was set up as a elitist Masonic Republic, not one of, for and by the People at all. Just ask the blacks about that. This country was created of, for and by Them. You have to get this and I know it is hard because people are never even exposed to this information in K-12 education at all. If they are exposed to it at the university level, it is only in some “conspiracy theory” class where they are told that Freemasons are misunderstood good guys and that conspiracies don’t exist and “nobody in government can keep a secret”. No surprise there because of course, public education is a specialty of Freemasonry.
In fact, they control it all including the information you get from the boob-tube. Why is it called the boob-tube? Because it makes people stupid. Only one group stands to gain from a dumbed-down, ignorant, degenerated populace and that is the Freemasons. They are the ones who gain from it. They are the ones pulling the puppet strings at election time. They are the ones who put on the mask of “public servant” when all the while it is the People who are subservient to them and their secret agendas.
I have nothing but contempt for them, no matter what their rank in the hierarchy might be because whatever their level, they are serving the New World Order agenda, protecting it from disclosure and leading the sheep to slaughter as they are herded into the cities on pretexts like Global Warming, as their country is being amalgamated with the North American Union, as they lose their homes and life savings and as their rights are being stripped from them one by one.
That’s how to handle a Freemason. Tell him he is full of it and that his organization is being exposed to the light of day and that it is only a matter of time before they are brought down and humbled. Don’t give a damn what he thinks, says or does after that because they certainly do not merit any respect from the general public whatsoever.
Spit in their general direction.
I agree TOTALLY with EVERYTHING that P.J. just said EXCEPT his insistence that America was founded by Illuministic Masons. There is no sound historical basis for such a claim.
It is indeed possible (and I would argue extremely probable based on a life time of research) that the founding fathers who were Masons were all (or certainly most) pre-infiltration Masons who were NOT evil men, nor evil-intended.
That our nation was blessed by God both during the Revolutionary War and in our early decades can not be denied by any serious student of history, and He would NOT have blessed evil men with evil intentions.
Steve,
We disagree on one pretty important point, but let me say I agree with your earlier statement about not getting into a debate on that point, but rather to focus on the present in regards to the NWO as it is unfolding and as it is being carried out by Freemasons and other high-level occultists (Rosicrucians, etc).
I might make some similar comments to others in future that you disagree with, but please don’t think I am attacking your views personally. I just state things as I see them and I am happy to have you do the same regardless.
Sounds good to me!
I believe that Ron Paul is a member of the Free Mason or an affiliated group. It would not be hard to prove if he wasn’t? Why? Go to the counties he has his offices in and you will see that property taxes are high, wages are low, racism prevails, public transportation is nill or non existance, there are no recreation centers, no grocery stores other than HEB, high property taxes(oh, I said that), no sidewalks-except in affluent neighborhoods, downtown is filled with banks and attorneys and a few restuarants and run down human service departments, a lot of churches, parks are large, but not nice, there are no museums, botanical gardens, theater, music venues. There are large thorough fairs, malls, and huge and prolific churchs surrounded by wealth with poverty boardering its border of wealth. No national or state parks. This is just his district. Not to mention what the rest of the states condition is in. Poverty of third world, run down small towns, people living with no water or sewer and small shacks (this keeps the property taxes down), crime goes unpunished if it benefits the appropriate parties. Lying, stealing and crime seem to be a daily practice of those with title of VP, President, DR, Attorney, Judge, Chief of Police, etc. I really cannot believe the state of Texas has any knowledge of the Constitution of the U.S. The Bill of Rights, The Ten Commandments or the Creed of America. Ron Paul speaks of prosperity and freedom for all but it is not reflected in his work as a State Senator of the districts he governs. There is no worse to purport to be your allie and protect the enemy.
Either Ron Paul better walk his talk or the public better start looking for other groups and indiviuals that actually have their best interest at large. I would definately not want anyone associated with the free masons, illuminati, the bohemian club or any other affiliated secret society governing my well being.
Look for people who want prosperty and well being really. It is not to hard to see the fruits of those who follow Gods’s will. You will not see poverty or ignorance. It does not exist in good will. There are no excuses either, not enough money, not enough time, blah, blah. These are all excuses to prolong self serving motives.
So face the light and beget good will with good will. Start with your neighbor and the person next to you. You will find you do not need Ron Paul who in my opinion has not accomplished anything in the best interest of the public, which he purports to be an allie and advocate to.
Even though I myself opened this can of worms, I still do not see enough irrefutable evidence to prove 100% that that Ron Paul is indeed a Freemason. We have quite a bit of circumstantial evidence, but that doesn’t quite make it.
Steve Martin, you said you would check in with Penny Freeman. I wish you would ask her to confirm or deny her allegations that A) Carol Paul is an active Eastern Star member and B) that Ron Paul respects Freemasonry and has to been to “many meetings” in the various lodges. His son denied these allegations, so what we need to do is to establish which of the two is lying.
At least then, we might get another confirmation from her. Or then if she denies it then we can see that someone may be putting pressure on her to keep her mouth shut in contradistinction to her earlier comments. I think she is terrified to say anything, so be careful how you approach her.
I’ve emailed Penny several times with no response. I have also spoken to someone close to her a couple of times and she has said she would invite Penny to join a group of concerned patriots on a conference call on Thursday at noon EDT.
We’ll see if she comes on….
Thanks Steve. Keep us posted.
Thanks PJ and Steve for your input.
PJ, I know what you said is true that in general, masons are less than honest because that quality is essential to be one. I’ll do what I should do anyway, which is my homework, so I can more effectively deal with them.
The person I mentioned, that I suspect is a mason, loves to drag on and on in conversations and debates always trying to turn them into lectures. Granted, I don’t have to know exactly his game to refute his non-sense. I’ve refuted his lies just by listening to what he says and applying logic and reason.
My thought with understanding his tactic exactly is again so that I could call him out on it and tell him to shut up until he can be man enough to argue honestly, if he can. And, save myself a lot of time and headache.
Now I know I don’t even need to know his specific tactics to avoid his games. I had already realized I can just tell him to shut up, mock or ignore him. I’ve already mocked him a few times to great effect. And, I certainly don’t have to sit and listen to him, I can simply leave the room.
That said, I don’t talk to him much but when these engagements do happen, and if I think it’s right to argue at all, I want it to be productive and concise. I am a Christian. And, I don’t wish hell upon anyone, but repentance and belief. Thanks again…AAA
I spoke to Penny Langford Freeman this morning. She confirmed that she was indeed the poster named “Liberty Oak Ranch” and that Ron Paul is not a Mason, because, as he told her long ago, he simply did not have time for it.
So I guess we can extrapolate from that: He is comfortable with Freemasonry to the point that his wife is one and he would if he could, but he can’t join up himself just yet, but that he does have time to go to “many meetings”.
Okay, well, I guess I can accept that unless someone else can come up with a reason to doubt her.
I have never seen so much hate before I came here, I thought this was a Christian site-yet you are judging people based on what they believe- is that not God’s job?
Take a look at what you’ve done guys- you (SteveMartin) hunted down someone with a different view than you, pressured her to tell you things (repeated emailings), violated her privacy by posting her full name here, and yet somehow you all think that’s OK?
And to the flammers to this post-who are you to judge… who are you to cast the first stone?
pj911, is there a conspiracy in everything? Asking for a reason to doubt her is a self fullfilling prophecy- everyone’s got SOME kind of dirt- and that dirt can ALWAYS be manipulated to suit the needs of someone with malintent.
So thanks PJ911 for acting as a district attorney, and thanks Steve for filling the role of interrogator. You guy just gave me a reason to doubt the Christian nature of this website.
TheOne,
Who told you this was a Christian website? Not me. I’m only interested in the truth, not superstitious belief. And I don’t care where the truth leads in direct opposition to both Christians and Freemasons who tend to stick together and defend each other’s deceptions. The vast majority of preachers and pastors in the country are also corrupt masons. And look whose calling the kettle black – you’re judging me for judging others. Funny thing, that.
But let me say this. It gets messy around here sometimes when emotions flare up. That’s just the way it is. But nobody is forcing you to look at this site. If you don’t like what I have to say, I recommend you go someplace where all your preconceptions are validated and you are safe from having your illusions shattered.
Congressman Ron Paul in for life ruleing over you all.. ron pauls father was a freemason as well he is in the jon birch society his wife carol is eastern star and his kids lori and joy are rainbow girls a luciferian family .. the illusion the americans are under you will never have a choice for freedom ron paul is a master of mind control creating the reality that he alon can give you freedom wen he is nothing but looking for power ron paul has a white supremacy fascist mentality The IRS is not enough they want more ……….:)
Nico, “luciferian family” sounds about right to me. You can add all the establishment think-tanks that he is involved with as well. No, he is not officially a member of the CFR or the Freemasons, but in spirit, he is with them while running a half-assed masquerade for liberty to herd the cattle safely into the “freedom pens”.
He just verbalizes the obvious when he talks about the wars, the deficit, the Fed and the IRS and people slurp it up like cotton candy. He is allowed do that because it’s safe. If he said anything really threatening towards the establishment, he would be harassed, threatened, dieseled, ruined, set up and eventually knocked off.
When it comes to state-sponsored terror, microchip-implants, the New World Order, the occult theocracy that runs Washington, CIA drug trafficking, Vatican involvement in the NWO, the eugenics depopulation programs, the elite pedophiles running the world and other hard-core issues, he shirks it off as conspiracy theory like the rest of the establishment does. Why? Because he’s just another frat-boy like Bush. One who supported Bush Sr’s buddy, Bohemian-Freemason-Knight of Malta Ronald Reagan who was instrumental in the “fall-of-communism” facade that was a public scam meant to unify the Soviet system with the West eventually according to the Reece Committee report. This Ron Paul is the guy who is the poster boy for the JBS which has always been run by Knights of Malta, Freemasons, CFR members and even Fed board members! People, when will you ever learn?
As Alan Watt rightly states, “They give us our heroes.” Ron Paul, a career politician for 30 long years, was allowed to come forward at this critical juncture all over the controlled-media to attempt to pacify all the people who know this government is a deeply corrupt criminal apparatus of the same elite who control that media! Ron Paul supporters are pretty smart, pretty good folks for the most part, but it’s what they don’t know that will kill them. Remember the lyrics, “Won’t get fooled again! No! No!”
Rip off the mask and see what is underneath that lukewarm milktoast facade of the kindly Dr. Paul. It will make the average decent person either puke or spit fire. Screw him. We don’t need an appointed messiah to save us. We can take our freedom back without his sorry ass. In fact, that is the only way we will ever do it.
Hey PJ,
Just thought I’d comment that I’m a bit surprised that you responded directly to nico, considering the poorly written post, ya know? Anyway, Ron Paul has done a lot to awaken people to the patriot/freedom/constitutionalist(dare I say militia), etc movement. This awakening will never backfire because it deals with the truth that America needs. In other words, even if Ron Paul was a Godless-mason-NWO-shill, his efforts birthed the opposite results intended. Anyone awaken to America’s need for constitutionally bound, small gov will never be confused about that truth, even if God(ha-ha you unbeliever) allows an imposter to preach it!!! God made a donkey talk, so why not? I will respectfully challenge you on religion some other time, PJ.
Sincerely thank you for the good work you do here. Peace…AAA
Well, I don’t see what you are complaining about in Nico’s comment. First of all nobody should expect perfect spelling and grammar in a forum as long as you get your point across. That’s just petty there Adrian.
Secondly, he seemed to be simply stating his sincere opinion about Ron Paul which is supposed to be one’s right to do. So I don’t see why I shouldn’t respond to him.
Then, Ron Paul didn’t awaken the masses to the movement as you state. That has been happening organically over the last several decades as more and more people began to research and look into just why there was so much corruption from the top down. He just came along at the right time and started stating the obvious, what we already knew, but then only tells half the story which is always allowed by the elite. Then, people, being as they are eager for a leader to guide them out of the darkness, started rallying around him in his campaign that turned into a hurricane Gustav, surging like a Cat 5 and then suddenly blowing out with a Cat 2 whimper.
Now, what I am puzzled about is how you can be so sure that “this awakening will never backfire”. I personally, after years of being involved in this mess, have never felt sure either way, whether the NWO would go down, or whether it would just roll along as it has been going until all their goals are achieved. I still am not sure about that, and so why don’t you enlighten me as to how you are so sure. Don’t tell me. Lemme guess: it says so in the Bible…
PJWalker911 – you couldn’t be more correct – i knew there was somethign fishy about RP from day one – you can never be paranoid enough these days – and what exactly was he going to achieve in his campaign, where they have publically demonstrated they are not afraid to ‘suicide’ anyone who really goes against the agenda/great work – all hes done is take money off some very gullible people – lol
Thanks, it is a lonely battle I am fighting here against a tremendous amount of mudslinging and ridicule by pro-Paul forces. It has been a thankless task. I certainly have no vested interest in anything but putting forward the truth as I see it and everybody who has a problem with that can go jump off a cliff. Why not? They are doing it anyway with this phony campaign.
I too sent some of my hard-earned money to the campaign early on, a hundred bucks, if people want to know, and I never did that before in my life because this was the first candidate that I finally thought I could believe in. Well, after doing a little research, yet again, I find very good reasons not to trust him or indeed the system in toto. I would prefer to call it “awareness” based on irrefutable evidence of involvement and connections to groups which have agendas conflicting with his public rhetoric, among other things mentioned above. And I am finding more every couple of weeks which I will put together in a complete report sometime later in the month.
I am not here to sugar coat anything. All I do it lay out the facts, then sit back and hope that people will be able to think for themselves.
Unfortunately, free thought is a rarity as amply demonstrated here by most of the respondents who are either brainwashed dupes, or actively and consciously working for the NWO.
Although it feels like a lonely battle, rest assured you are not the only one trying to fight the good fight – we have the same sham system in the UK as i’m sure you are fully aware and the usual sheeple are wondering about who is going to ‘save us’ from labour – until the next election of course – anyhow, i’m just trying to wake as many people up as possible, and although it feels like a losing battle, the moment we give up, they have won and today’s youth will be lost forever – i look foward to seeing your report on this RP debacle – keep up the good work friend!
Will do. Cheers Mate
Ron Paul got where Ron Paul got because someone allowed him to get there. The Regan association and the papal one should be other big flags.
Who wants to believe the worst, especially former suporters that still had some hope left that there was a chance in this game…but it was and is a fixed game from the start. Whether a formal member, or a deluded puppet, the end result is the same.
Most of us who have been researching the ‘ol rabbit hole this long, must realize by now that if it looks too good to be true, it simply is.
Satan’s greatest trick is when he dons his Angel of Light leotard.
Not all that glitters is gold.
It’s no longer some major revelation, it’s just a sad cliche.
The points been made, if a person is rising politically, someone has allowed it. Selected, not elected.
The only earthly hero is the one that died on the cross to finish this mess, and it is our only hope as we fight not against flesh, blood, federal reserves or masonic lodges : You fight no longer for a constitution, but for your very soul.
And if God is complicit in the “game” and the fixing of it all, at least he threw in the get out of jail free card, named FREE WILL. That is where his complicity ends, and your accountability begins.
Just a thought. I’ve looked at every aspect of the search for truth, and this is the only one that begins to incorporated all of the various tangents, and explains them all. Innerrant bible nothwithstanding.
Hope that makes sense to someone.
PJ, I love the work you do. So refreshing. Keeps me well informed to throw useful info into conversations with sheeple. Keep it up mate. I always wondered if Paul was an FM, he was just too good to be true. Was it all a setup? To divert attention? To stop others from taking more action and backing him, assuming he’d cover the job? Wait!! Are you in this too PJ?! Who can we trust??
Maria,
I look at this through the lens of history. First of all, we have to realize that the “New” World Order is nothing new. We have to study history to get the proper perspective on what America actually was and is today. There is a continuous thread throughout history since ancient times of this Illuminati elite running things and the Freemasons are the foot-soldiers led by the royal bloodlines in the capstone of the pyramid. It has always been so, whether you call it Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Knights Templar, Jesuits, Knights of Malta, Kabalah, Hermeticism, whatever. It all has been maintained by this group of bloodlines (and their high-level minions) through various orders and secret societies that only sometimes APPEAR to be at odds with each other. But really aren’t.
Now the best thing I can recommend is to study Plato, Francis Bacon, the Rosicrucian Reformation movement, the Knights Templar etc and understand that they planned to colonize America centuries before it actually happened. They also have an uncanny ability to plan out and “predict” the future which is done through a combination of cabalistic, mystical and mathematical methods. Hence someone like Bacon knew that America would become a center for science and technology, because it was planned that way. Step by step they set this up as the “New Atlantis” and we all know what eventually happens to Atlantis in the end. It sinks into oblivion after it has fulfilled its purpose.
Realize this:
The elite give us everything. They have a hidden parallel system behind it all. They give us a religion and they practice another one. They give us a constitution and they have their own constitution. They give us one set of laws and the operate on another set of laws. They give us one level of science and technology to play with while they possess a higher level of it that is never revealed until it is already obsolete by their standards. You can look at every aspect of human society and see these parallel systems that they run. Hollywood, education, religion, the military, government, business, law – you name it -they run it at the top.
So you have to plug this into the current political scene and realize that it is all a big rigged game, a bread and circus for the masses. And frankly, that includes Ron Paul, who is a 30 year Washington insider with ready access to the media to state his positions with no real resistance, whose wife is basically a female mason and since she is an Eastern Star, then you can bet money that Ron Paul is a mason of some kind like most of the others. You just don’t go into it unless your husband is a mason, publicly or crypticly. Such people simply fall into line with the establishment, feeling very comfortable schmoozing with that crowd, including those who APPEAR to be anti-establishment.
Here is the fact though: if they do not want to completely abolish the government and start all over again, they are with the masonic establishment. They all are. All they want to do is tinker here and there with “reforms” and it can never work and they know this because the current system is run by the aristocratic bloodlines, not just “the international bankers” who are really one and the same people because they are all intermarried and incestuous.
We need to get out of this masonic matrix system altogether and establish an entirely different system of self-governance where no secret societies, no royal bloodlines, no corporations and no religious authority are holding the puppet strings. It is absolutely impossible to escape this masonic matrix without abolishing it in its entirety and separating yourself from it. That means a place like Washington, District of Corruption, with its masonic street plan and masonic occultic architecture has to be frankly abandoned in order to have a truly free society. But that is easier said than done. You can call that an extreme anarchistic view, but that is the only real and and lasting solution that will ever defeat the NWO. Otherwise we will remain in a Disneyland made-for-TV false reality that only gets worse with time because it is planned as a scientifically controlled society, moving along a masonically-guided pathway toward a specific goal that is frankly nightmarish for humanity as a whole. You can study and see the evidence for this right here all over on this blog. I have over 5000 articles that confirm what I am saying.
As to trusting anyone. First learn to trust your own instincts. Then only trust people who give you the unpleasant unvarnished truth. Don’t trust people who give you false hope. Don’t go to the other extreme of despair either, but keep a level head about it. We really do not know what the future holds. Therefore, we should keep an open mind.
I endorse Alan Watt http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/ generally as a good source of trusted information. You should not agree with everything a person says, but try to form your own objective conclusions and if they are based in reality, they will generally agree with others who are operating off of good information and clear reasoning processes.
I want to leave you with one more thing to contemplate (I have a lot more to say about Ron Paul, but I will save it for later). Ron Paul’s book is called The Revolution: A “Manifesto”. Now where else have we seen this term “manifesto” used? Well, the most famous example is Freemason Karl Marx’s (really British aristocracy wrote it) Communist Manifesto. But another more intriguing one is the Rosicrucian Manifesto or Fama Fraternitatis. And I will add The Cartagena Manifesto, by Simón Bolívar, another Freemason. The point being that the term manifesto is best known as being used by those with ties to the secret societies. I personally would not use the term because of these associations.
Hi PJ, All I meant about Nico was that the content of his post seemed overstated, with the exception of the facts about Ron’s family. And I agree with you about the American liberty movement(or whatever you want to call it) having been going on for a long time.
Anyone who has been awakened to the reality of the NWO through discovering Ron Paul, will never forget that reality even if Ron is a pawn. In me commenting on Nico’s post, I did so asking for fairness to Ron and the good effects of his campaign, whether actually intended or not.
I forgot to state before that I found the post I was asking about and looking for here. It was from ET on May 14. Which reminds me, I need to read that suggested section of Morals and Dogma myself.
I’ll save my thoughts about the truth of biblical eschatology for another time. I will say though that, as you probably know, that the bible clearly states the coming of an anti-Christ, world leader. That this leader would of necessity have some kind of government is only logical. Thanks PJ for the good you do, peace…AAA
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Freemasons have many great men on its register.
Benjamen Franklin, Sam Houston, Thomas Jefferson, to name a few.
What a fascinating thread; I have spent hours reading through the comments.
I am a Christian, and thankful of it. I am an American, and privileged for it. I am a Freemason, and proud of it.
As a Christian, I support spreading of the good word and accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior. As an American, I support the tenets of our great nation fervently; of which I believe they are being trampled by both parties. As a Mason, I enjoy the fellowship of men who are not judgemental of religion or politics in their pursuit of charity.
pjwalker911,
Regardless of whether you are correct or not in your convictions, I certainly respect the energy and effort you have obviously spent seeking the Light.
I am not privy to the upper echelons of this NWO, and likely never will be. What I do know is the rest of us still in the dark, as you portend, will surely be standing next to persons like yourself if the opportunity to face tyranny in the form of government or religion presents itself. No Mason speaks for Masonry, not even Albert Pike. Speaking for myself and my own experiences, it would be naive to believe the millions of Masons, in this nation alone, are anything less than skeptical of the infringement of our freewill to think and chose as we may. It goes without saying that our rights are granted by our creator and not “the government” we are beholden to; of which, I believe ours better than most, albeit struggling.
Maybe later I will have my head shoved in a Masonic mind control box and get in line, but until then I will keep my eyes open.
I do, however, sincerely hope you are able to maintain an inner peace with all this frustrating knowledge of elitist control and manipulation. Certainly we can agree that, in general, those who control wealth, a small group indeed, are comfortable with it staying that way.
By the way, the day you are not met with a huge amount of scepticism, watch you back…
As a third generation Freemason, I can only say, you’re all right… and you’re all wrong… and the truth is not only subjective, it’s dynamic.
You choose to believe that the Freemasons are this secret cabal that has controlled every aspect of the government since the beginning of time. Great! I sure wish that were true because I wouldn’t have to worry about getting my rent paid.
Point is, that’s your truth. It’s certainly not mine, nor is it the truth of the 3,000,000 + Freemasons. That’s JUST the Freemasons. We know the truth, and we welcome you to seek it yourself, because what you’re preaching now is conspiracy, hate and bigotry. And frankly, if we are running everything, you might want to sleep with the light on.
Freemasonry is run by European royalty who have had a vested interest in maintaining their control over the human race for thousands of years. They use Blue Lodge porch masons as window dressing for public consumption so that the average person will believe Freemasonry is nothing but a kind of a silly club where old men get together and roast weenies for the Cub Scouts.
However, the average person has not the slightest clue about Freemasonry and is therefore totally ignorant about it’s history of fomenting revolution since the 1700s. The revolution continues and this time it is a global revolution to set up a Novus Ordo Seclorum, a New World Order, as placed on the back of the worthless Federal Reserve note by high mason FDR.
You, Michael are either lying about what you know (most likely) or you are just an ignorant porch mason. Either way, you are a servant of this evil New World Order.
Here’s a little food for thought.
Has anyone besides me stopped to think about the irony of Ron Paul railing against the NWO, even in public forums while he was running for POTUS? If he is truly against it and truly believes in it, wouldn’t he know that running for president would be futile then?
I like Ron Paul and his message but to me that just doesn’t make any sense. He would or should know that the ‘powers that be’ won’t let that happen.
I am not here to make people feel helpless, but the problem is that this system is so entrenched and powerful that there simply is no way that we can just elect a new president and expect that that will solve the problem. The idea that electing the right president who will then ride into Washington and clean up town is just a modern myth that has never worked and won’t work. And anyone who truly represents the wishes of the people will never, ever be elected president in the current system we are in. So it ain’t gonna happen.
Another thing that will never work is protesting and trying to get the government to do what you want to do. It is like protesting the Devil and demanding that he be good from now on.
The real problem is that this government was set up by the elite of the time, for the elite with only a thin veneer of freedom for the masses covering it. The Constitution is full of loopholes, exceptions and generalities that allow just about anything to go and that is exactly what has happened from the start. CON-stitution.
So we have all been conned and double-crossed by the Masons from day one. That filthy disgusting Masonic city of Washington DC is corrupt to the core and is absolutely irredeemable.
If people want to have freedom, they will have to fight against Washington DC, pulling out from it entirely, endure any hardship due to that decision and set up their own system of self-government, economy, etc. Bottom line is we need a new system altogether that is not controlled by secret societies, religion, corporations, -isms or royal bloodlines which is what is controlling it today. Anyone who tells you different is just feeding you false hope as we all go down the New World Order toilette. We cannot compromise our way to freedom. It will never happen. You have to fight for it because no one is going to hand it to you.
As a Freemason myself, I would be very disappointed if Ron Paul is in fact a Mason as Ron Paul represented the best chance for positive change. I say “disappointed” because if true there certainly was no support for him from within the Lodge and the same could be said for your NWO theory. The present state of apathy within Freemasonry leaves anyone involved left with the enervating sense of individual and/or collective powerlessness to confront problems whose magnitude seems overwhelming. On the other hand I have made genuine friends and enjoy the company of men who strive to be all that is good in humanity.
Ron Paul’s father was a mason. Ron Paul’s wife is a co-mason. Ron Paul is the number one candidate among Freemasons according to the Burning Taper poll. Ron Paul praises the Papacy and is in bed with the Catholic-Masonic John Birch Society, yet the Pope praises and promotes the Masonic UN and kisses the Masonic UN flag! (The supposed split between Freemasonry and the Vatican is another ruse for public consumption which I will happily debate anyone on, anytime.)
JBS+Ron Paul=Controlled Opposition!
Now if the people want a masonic government, they don’t have to do anything because it was always masonic and it continues to be masonic. Just sit back and get raped up the rear end and enjoy it. The masonic NWO plan is being fulfilled. That’s that. If you are a Freemason, you are serving the NWO. Period, end of story. Screw all the coverup artists. Everything else is a lie. And lying is one of the first skills a Freemason learns, to hide the truth, keep the secrets, etc, etc. Remember, it is lies, deception and subterfuge that has led us into the mess we find ourselves in.
Only a government built on truth can serve the people. The one we have was built on masonic lies, half-truths and false hope and it continues to be so today. We live in a psychopathic, inhuman society. Just read the news and look around you at how people treat each other. Understanding this is the real awakening. But people are so desperate for some hope that they will cling to any lie, any false promise that sounds nice to their ears. The Ron Paul people are mostly good people, but that is the saddest thing about this. The best people are also the most gullible and trusting. They are like geeky trekkies at a convention wearing their little V-masks and Minuteman hats. They come to the meetings with Vaseline in hand. For that, they get screwed the worst of all in the end.
Masons would be a lot more respectable if they were not such deceivers. At least then they would be out in front with their plans and activities and people would know what they were about. Then they would know who the Enemy was. As it is, they are a well-camoflaged Trojan Horse and yet the people remain totally ignorant that a threat even exists. Ron Paul supporters have no problem with Freemasons running everything and couldn’t care less if he was one or not. Which just proves their ignorance.
Why do you think there was an Anti-masonic Party for awhile? The masons will tell you it was all a big scare over nothing. They are always covering up everything like they covered up the Capt Morgan affair, like they covered up the P-2 Lodge scandal, etc, etc, it goes on and on. This is because their allegiance is to the Lodge and their Brethren and to none else. They do as told and that is that.
“If people want to have freedom, they will have to fight against Washington DC, pulling out from it entirely, endure any hardship due to that decision and set up their own system of self-government, economy, etc. Bottom line is we need a new system altogether that is not controlled by secret societies, religion, corporations, -isms or royal bloodlines which is what is controlling it today. Anyone who tells you different is just feeding you false hope as we all go down the New World Order toilette. We cannot compromise our way to freedom. It will never happen. You have to fight for it because no one is going to hand it to you.”
Here here. A real bonified revolution or the fall of the empire is what has to happen. With this economic crisis at hand the government could fall very soon. Even if they succeed with their bailout/ripoff they are only buying some time.
Sometimes you have to hit the bottom before you can rise up again.
”With this economic crisis at hand the government could fall very soon. Even if they succeed with their bailout/ripoff they are only buying some time.”
The economic ‘crisis” is fake and planned, just like everything else on the TV…they”ll bring down the dollar and bring in the Amero, just as planned
I will post what ol’pike said:
“We always give the public their heroes. We give the heroes to every faction, every side.” The people, once they hear this person saying all the right things, will give their allegiance to that person because “he or she speaks for me.”
That’s how we rationalize it, and we sit back and we guide it again. They say go here, go do this, do that—and we do it. We give our power to the “authorized heroes”.
So it does not matter who runs the system they control, since, they control it anyway. If you want to live free, try and be independent of it.
Stuff involving the Freemasons, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderburgers, Jewish bankers, the British royal family, the Council on Foreign Relations, et. al., is generally a waste of time. People who focus on this stuff end up putting their energy into researching and investigating real or imagined conspiracies rather than focusing on the issues and actually doing concrete work to advance the cause of liberty. By all means let’s investigate the facts of things like 9/11, but focusing on who belong(ed) to which groups, what various symbols supposedly mean, which groups allegedly exist to promote what purposes, what are the ties between them, etc., accomplishes very little.
After all, why would anyone want to try to figure out exactly who is behind 9/11 and the New World Order and what their secret society connections and related occultic motivations are? Why try to learn about their memberships in the interlocking secretive globalist think-tanks and foundations where they form policies that they hand down to governments for implementation? Terrible waste of grey matter! And why oh why would anyone want to try to actually know the real history behind all of it? I mean, wow, like that is a huge waste of time. Let’s just accept history as it is, vote for our favorite savior and hope he changes things. (LOL!)
Truth is, we already know who was behind Operation 9/11, how they pulled it off and their motivations for it. The New World Order is Masonic because the entire world itself is one great big Masonic matrix system. Their symbols are everywhere. They, the Masons, and their related brethren (Eastern Star, Skull and Bones, B’nai Brith, Templars, SMOM, Jesuits, Opus Dei, Rosicrucians, Knights of the Garter, KOC, Pilgrims, etc, etc, etc, etc) occupy all all the positions of power. The secretive orders are the very means by which they implement their plans behind the People’s back. They plan our future as they have planned the past and they will keep on doing it until they are either successful in bringing in their NWO to completion, or until they are completely exposed, recognized by the common people and then dealt with accordingly.
Up to now, the world remains almost totally asleep, and you ain’t helpin Starchild. (whew, what a New Agey wiccanish name!)
I have been reading this article and comments about Ron Paul. Though i haven finished reading the comments, I understand that it is extremely difficult to see what where exactly Ron Paul is sitting; on Illuminati side or God’s side.
I read from David Icke that this ploy used by Illuminati is similiar. There is a probablity that Ron Paul is playing as a good guy to fight against the freemason or illuminati’s branched organisation. At the same time, Ron Paul is a spy as well. The Illuminati are having a good time using pawns such as Ron Paul and ect fighting togather, like for instance Obama vs McCain. Its all pure acting and deception to deceive the public masses. Any way, if you ask me, I will never ever beleive anyword of Ron Paul or the so called good guy’s promises cos the higher level postion of governors and politicians belong to Illuminati and it is their territory, not ours.
What i am trying to say is only possiblity but it might be possibility true. so dont got offended if you happen to be paul ron supporter cos I also knew that fans of Mike adams and dr mercola happen to support Ron Paul as well. It is a sad fact if Ron Paul turn out to be a wolf in a sheep clothing…
To Starchild,
I disagre with you. We do need to research all areas of British royal families, jewish bankers ect… They have strong linege bloodines towards their ancestors and that will be a hard proof that they are carrying the same agendas as carried by their ancestors. If you ever read into the histories of their ancestors, history do not lie.
Pjwalker911 you are a douche bag. You are only good for a laugh.
Ron Paul isn’t a Freemason or part of the NWO in anyway whatsoever. You are just spreading silly lies.
Anyone with half a brain could see Ron Paul’s genuine character everytime he speaks.
It doesn’t matter anyhow as Obama WILL win and it will just be more of the same 2 party bullshit.
Now Carry on, troll.
Well anonymous coward, we’ll see who the troll is. Name one lie I have told in this entire thread or anywhere else on this entire blog (5200 pages and counting). You can’t do it, which is why you didn’t even try.
Yes, people with only half their brain functioning can “see” that Ron Paul says all the right things. I never argued against that point, with the exception on 9/11.
What I rightly, very simply and straightforwardly brought up was his cozy relationship with Freemasonry and the JBS, which is a coven of masons and papal knights.
And yeah, we all know the game is rigged, which is why a man with 30 odd years in the game should know better than to give the faithful false hope that somehow this masonic system would work for them.
Then he tosses it off to a Baptist preacher with more ties to Buchanan, Falwell, Reagan, Keyes, Jeb Bush and even Bush Sr than you can shake a stick at. All papal knights and/or masons! I would not be surprised in the least if he himself turns out to be a Knight of Malta or a mason. He sure has enough associations with them.
Now, I can’t wait for you to explain to us how wonderful it is to have masons and papal knights running everything including the controlled opposition. Let’s hear it.
So all I can say to you in closing is, we shall see who the trolls are.
Lulz
Hey PJ, what doc online or elsewhere would you recommend to elaborate on: “The Constitution is full of loopholes, exceptions and generalities that allow just about anything to go and that is exactly what has happened from the start. CON-stitution.”
I know establishment(if you wish)-libs like to misinterpret the constitution or look at it as “living” meaning changing. But, I haven’t really heard that the constitution itself is severely flawed like you assert. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Peace…AAA
I suggest reading the Anti-Federalist papers. If you are a true libertarian, you will be anti-federalist and anti-statist. My position is that the formation of the United States was the beginning of the end, just as much as it was for the European countries to gradually surrender their sovereignty to the EU. That is what we have seen, a gradual submission to a central government. It should have never happened, but it did because it HAD to happen so that the New World Order would have an engine to move it along for the next two centuries.
Those who foolishly think that the NWO just started with the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913, need to study the history of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism and a number of other similar topics for another couple years. They also need to develop a desire for the truth, and the courage to accept it, whatever it turns out to be.
Secondly, you have to realize that our rights, including the very basic right to defend our own bodies against attackers, are either God-given, as believed by theists, or natural or innate, as believed by others. Therefore, no piece of paper or governing body can ever grant your rights. At best, it can just acknowledge that they exist.
With the Bill of Rights, as with the Constitution in general, if you just look at it objectively (and most can’t), you will see the wiggle room for interpretations that can be used to erode the very rights that are being portrayed there. An average lawyer of today could take one look at the wording and sigh. You will have to figure out what I mean for yourself, because if you can’t see it, then nothing I say is going to convince you.
There are some parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights which are very clear and unequivocal, but that doesn’t go for much of it. For example, what does “welfare” mean? Well, that depends on your interpretation, and so that is just what happened. It was interpreted all the way, and we became a socialist superstate.
The problem is, that with Americans, the US Constitution is seen as almost a holy writ, and some Christians even see it as guided and inspired by the hand of the Almighty Himself. In such a light, it is believed to be an infallible, inviolable document that must never be altered in any way. They think the same way about the Bible taking on pure faith that it is perfect in every way. But the person who cannot look at a document with an open, objective mind can never come close to understanding it in its essentials. All he can do is to parrot it, or at best, to interpret it in a way that fits his paradigm.
Thanks PJ, I’ll do my homework and get back at ya. Peace…AAA
Thank goodness RP didn’t get nominated. From reading through some of these posts, most of which are nuts. Plus if anyone actually did their homework they would find that RP is not a freemason. Some of these posters actually cite David Icke, he states that the government is taken over by reptilian aliens…WTF? If the conspiracy theorists would look at themselves they would see what the rest of us see; paranoid hate mongers. Now go out from your mothers basement and get a life and maybe a girlfriend/boyfriend to scratch that itch you have.
Well Bill O’reilly, somehwere in NY,
From your post, here is what I deduce:
1. You are a neocon who likes to bash Ron Paul supporters. I am a small ‘l’ libertarian who bashes Ron Paul for different reasons, and some of his supporters, but for the most part, I stand in defense of his supporters because I know they are some of the best people in America today. They are more awakened that most other Americans, but they are still only about maybe 75% awake at best.
2. No one has ever said that they have proof that Ron Paul is indeed a Freemason, only that it was highly likely due to his close association with other masons and since his wife is a female mason, not to mention his lifetime involvement with the federal government which is masonic by nature. And anyway, why should you care at all if he is a mason or not? You don’t like Ron Paul or his supporters.
3. The only time David Icke is mentioned on this thread is a couple brief references in criticism of him and one single person in praise of him, so where you get this idea that everybody here believes in reptiles is way beyond all logic. Therefore, it seems either you are too dumb and too lazy to represent the truth accurately, or you are deliberately trying to create disinformation. There are no other possibilities.
4. Now, the last thing I deduce is that you are happy about false flag terror, the perpetual war and massive death based on lies, the endless empire-building that is destroying our economy, the absolute corporate corruption, the looting of every financial sector, the steady and relentless erosion of our freedoms, the rapidly expanding global government, the massive expansion of Big Brother surveillance, the open borders policy, rampant abortions, social degradation and dehumanization, the controlled media propaganda and the complete lack of truth in political debate.
Therefore, one can only conclude that you are a sociopathic lowlife scumbag traitor.
i read the full thread and wholly agree with you pj, you speak it how it is, and don’t beat around the bush… and your critique of obvious idiot thinkers and those that seek to rubbish without factual backing is to be admired… you deserve the candidacy yourself bro… though we both know that there is no point running for an office, when you have to be royalty, and loyal and subservient with it…to be given the seal of office…
it will all need building up from the bottom again, without secrecy. as this is what has brought this world to it’s knees… anyone unable to see this wants to begin queuing for an eye test immediately, before full blindness sets in… as there is obviously something deeply wrong and maybe even on a personal dysfunction level (with the denial) either way they need help and quick…
there is little hope left for a societal structure based upon lies such as this and the new way will only emerge when the old doctrines have been ditched in favour of truth above all else…
there is no god higher than truth as ghandi said and he was right, and he was also the only person to have stopped the empire in it’s tracks… by peaceful non violent resistance, that of merely sitting down and refusing to accept tyranny any further… they did this to the man, wherever they stood for five days…
the british raj was as corrupt as the US of today, and in three days they butchered many in an effort to gain compliance,,, but the people held firm and in three days the british knew they had big problems, after four days they knew they had lost, and by five days they had gone… and so ended the british empires stranglehold upon india…
no0one has had this sense since or displayed the comprehension that something of this magnitude would be needed worldwide to bring this tyranny and corruption to its knees, whereupon the new re-building could begin…
there is little even known or talked about the organization that seems to be collating this NWO doctrine and systematic destructive behaviour worldwide… they are known and move under the banner of “COMMON PURPOSE” in the UK… they total 30,000 and are in the positions of power enough to make sure the will of the few is complied with, they are running the medical/banking/police/courts/welfare etc etc,,, and nothing is being done about it because they are a charitable organization on the outside to all intents and purpose… yet they appear to be running they country into the ground so as world govt can rise from the ashes of the societal structures we all presently have in place… the coming economic collapse will be the initial facilitator of this, ushering a world banking system to prevent the type of non-sense we are afflicted with now… this will lead to an eventual one world govt. and manipulation of the masses long term… we either stand up and become proficient in understanding corporate law which is the dirty vehicle used to manifest our present system and keep it in place…
people should google “robert monard” and “adrian shrout” or youtube the “anti-terrorist” to find out how this con is being put upon us all… and learn what it’s mechanisms are… when all become aware of this then we the people will regain the rights we truly still have, that have just been eroded by the fiction that is corporate law… if we wish to have freedom then we must become aware of this, and remove our permission for the government to have this power over us, for this is truly what it is…
a permission given, not by us but by our parents, clothed in difficult to understand language that was signed away as our birth certificate…
this is known as your strawman and it is a fictitional character created by govts, of the world to then apply statutes which are mere legislations that pertain to those who are governed, and we choose to accept this governance by acknowledging this fiction with our signature… if you dont believe me look into it… we are not “a person” we have a “person”, brought into being as i say with the signing over of our rights in this regard… but we are a human being, with rights that are attributed to that status… this means that all statutes and almost all that our modern lives are is merely voluntary, and we can withdraw this at any time… by simply acknowledging this fact, then showing intent to change it and then by declaring our right as a freeman-on-the-land…
look into it as you will be truly empowered, and appalled no doubt, because you will then know how much this is all a sham, and exactly how much you have all been conned…
wise up. rise up. and become that which you truly are…free to choose… fm
whether RP is just playing ‘good cop’, he inspired the people. Millions of people. So I can say honestly, regardless of being a FM or not, what he has done is awaken a lot of people. I was one of them and I won’t hold it against him if he were. Our Founding Fathers were masons.
How do you square that with the fact that the New World Order is entirely Freemasonic?
And why do you want to “take back” the Masonic Mandala of the District of Columbia city state?
How can anyone approve of Freemasonry knowing that it is behind all the evil that we can see right in front of our eyes every single day?
Our entire history is nothing but a compilation of lies, written up largely by Masons and their ilk, that is continuously reinforced by their agents like Ron Paul who never met a Mason or a Papal Knight that he didn’t like.
Vlad Lenin, another Mason, stated that the best way to control the opposition was to lead it. So that is all Ron Paul is doing, leading the opposition along Masonic lines that are acceptable to his followers without EVER telling you who is really behind this New World Order.
I am personally disgusted by and sick of you idiot sheep followers.
You wouldn’t know Truth if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.
Since many of the founding Fathers were Freemasons – it is quite ignorant to attribute the New World Order to their efforts. They in fact created a government that was for, by and of the people. The NWO is the antithesis of their vision of America.
Fear and superstition are not the basis of wisdom. The international bankers have an entirely different agenda.
Have you never heard of disinformation?
Now you can make the argument that a different group of people have now infiltrated the Masonic Orders. But the reality is that the Freemasons no longer have the political influence that they once did. They are but hollow shells for the revolutionary ideas of freedom that burned so brightly and were so essential for the formations of America.
Do you seriously think Washington envisioned a New World Order controlled by bankers? Get real dude.
Now there are many mysteries of life and God that are contained in Freemasonry and it’s symbology. It is truly a pity that so many Americans do understand the true contribution of Freemasonry to America.
We look to a day when people are still not so ignorant.
I battle you scumbags every day so I know how you operate and con the public into thinking the Masons are the “good guys” in all of this. You have been playing these games for hundreds of years so you are experts at it. You have a canned answer for everything. Ain’t that right?
Masons (and their ilk) run the government, the military, manufacturing, sports, religion, Hollywood, the music industry and just about every other sector of society. Anyone who says they are “hollow shells” is just spewing bullshit.
America (the landmass/region) would have had a chance to be free if the states remained sovereign, but they were federalized under the United States by the Founding Fathers who were mostly Freemasons. This is the same thing that happened to Europe with the EU which is also ruled by Masons (and their kindred ilk). This gradual amalgamation of the Americas, Europe, Africa and Asia has all been planned out for a very long time.
Of course, we all consider ourselves as “American” which is just as fine as people of Europe saying they are European identifying with a landmass or a region. The problem comes with federalization of nations or states which is nothing more than centralization of power in the hands of a few, the elite. And who are the elite? They are the high-level Freemasons (and their kindred ilk).
The great Grand Master Ben Franklin joked, “We have given you a Constitution….if you can keep it”. I am sure he said that with a wink because he would have known that this Freemasonic constitution had planned-obsolescence built into it. This Hellfire Club member also hoped for a federalized World State in the future ruled by “wise men” ie Freemasons. Oh yes, Bacon’s New Atlantis was to be ruled secretly by an elite and that is just what happened.
The story about it being “international bankers” (code for ‘Jews’) alone is just a story for the children’s bedtime. The elite encompass a lot more besides banking and they are all members of one Order or another. They plan out the future, centuries in advance while the general public languish in total ignorance of their plans because guess what, the Masons also control the education system. Oh yeah, and did anyone know that the real center of international banking is the City of London? And can you guess who controls the City of London? Yup, Freemasons, Knights Templars, the Windsors etc. And yes, the Rothschilds are there too “grafted” onto the feudal system through intermarriage and initiation. Royalty, Masons and Knights. Over and over you will find that these are the puppet masters running the show. It doesn’t matter if they are Jew or Gentile.
Another bedtime story for the children is the one about Freemasonry being sweet and loving until it was “illuminized” by Bavarian Illuminati agents, Jacobins and the Jesuits. What they fail to mention is that all of them share a common source in the mystery religions of ancient times. Which brings us to another lie that Masons frequently tell: “Freemasonry is not a religion”. Bullshit.
Masons cultivate a dual personality deliberately to fool the common folk. On the outside, they present themselves as men of high moral standing, great patriots and all that sort of rot, while inside, they are nothing but venomous writhing snakes plotting intrigues behind the backs of ignorant ordinary folk. Any decent person should take great care in handling a Mason lest they get a dose of their poison themselves.
The New World Order is absolutely, from top to bottom, a creation of the Freemasons. Their symbols are everywhere, in every sphere of life, in every globalist institution on the planet, on all the cars, in most of the corporate logos, government agencies, college fraternities, on the money, just anywhere you go. They are saying, “We rule by Secrecy and we are so proud of it, we flaunt it in your face every single day.” So with all these symbols in our faces, they are really just saying one thing: “Screw you sheep. We are shepherds. You have the freedom to do as you are told.”
You can lie about that all you want, but it is the truth that anyone can look up and verify. So you are simply lying. And lying, by the way, is raised up to a science and a fine art by the Freemasons, and they never feel the slightest bit of shame about it. In fact, for them, it is a kind of entertaining passtime. Notice how happy most of them seem to be. They never lose a minute of sleep over it.
And yes, I do believe Washington envisioned this New World Order along with Jefferson, who together laid out the magical designs for it in the new capital. They both helped to create this Satanic Masonic street layout as it was very important to them to get it just right. Today, that City State is literally festooned in every corner by masonic occult symbology which the general public is totally ignorant of for good reason. As Bonesman, Mason and Knight of Malta George HW Bush once said, “If the people knew what we have done, they would chase us down and lynch us.”
The only true thing you said was that “there are many mysteries of life and God that are contained in Freemasonry and it’s symbology.” Many mysteries indeed! Mysteries that have been kept from the public for literally thousands of years (that’s why they are mysteries!), an old agenda which some of us are waking up to finally after thousands of years of slumber.
By the way, anyone who is truly ignorant about the Masons needs to check out Albert Pike. Then they will understand that when you look into the eyes of a Mason, you are looking into the heart of darkness. There is nothing there but evil, corrupt blood oaths to do the bidding of the Brotherhood, and a facade of goodness and charity on top, like perfume on shit.
You are just another masonic disinformationist so go take a flying leap.
So what, exactly, is the game? What purpose did it serve to spend 20+ years carefully building up the most anti-big government record since Larry McDonald, only to have him run an inept campaign, and disappear back into obscurity? If he’d won, would it even be possible for him to be more of a globalist than Obama, McCain, Bush, or either Clinton? Basically, assuming everything you say is true, how would a Paul presidency be worse than any of the legitimate alternatives?
And on a much more basic level, why would an organization with such power, and foresight, hold up a puppet with such a transparent costume? He apparently slips up almost daily, and blows his “cover.” Couldn’t they find ANYONE intelligent enough to hold back the masonic symbols until after he’s in office? Couldn’t they find ANYONE who’s not so “obviously” a mason? For a group that’s had the entire world duped for millenia, you sure have a low opinion of their competence.
The game is to work within this safe Masonic Matrix paradigm, so misdirecting the disaffected public from the larger reality that is at their disposal. I mean, you can see the campaign was inept, yet you also know Paul is a very intelligent guy. If he really wanted to win, he probably could have, theoretically. After all, he was number one on the internet and in all the post debate polls, towering over the other candidates. Even liberals, who hated some of his positions, were switching over because of his anti-war position. The media was literally in awe of his amazing star power, contrary to those who say the media was pushing his aside. But he was not intended to win, so there came a time to tone down the hoopla.
If you understand who really controls America, you will understand that nobody can win the presidency who isn’t pre-selected by the elite. And a savvy man like Ron Paul, who has lived the last three decades in and out of Washington knows this too. So for him to run a campaign, “intending to win” is completely disingenuous. He was therefore giving his followers false hope that somehow he could pull it off, ride into town and clean it up. No such luck though.
The question isn’t “would he be a globalist”? The question is “would he be a federalist”? And the answer to that is yes, because inherent in running for the chief executive of the highest federal office is being a federalist. Being a “Constitutionalist” is the same thing. As I tried to explain, we had a 220 year head start, ahead of the EU, on globalization with the ratification process of the US Constitution. The States, which were considered as sovereign republics at the time, were pulled kicking and screaming (just like many of the European countries) into this new amalgamation called the United States of America.
The Anti-Federalists railed against this monster that was being created by the Masonic elites and predicted all of the horrors we have seen come to fruition today. They realized that the Constitution was vague in key areas that allowed for wide-ranging interpretations. They saw that the president would become a king and a military dictator. They knew that the Supreme Court wielded far too much power. The list if their premonitions was long (read the Anti-Federalist papers) because these were intelligent, insightful people back then who rightly feared the creation of a strong central government. They wanted to leave it a loose confederation and if it had been so, I believe we would have a lot fewer problems today. At least we would not be facing such huge problems, all created by the “strong central government” itself. The Anti-Federalists were eventually defeated, but many of them submitted in the end, only after fighting tooth and nail for some compromises such as the Bill of Rights so that hopefully, American’s rights would not be trampled too mercilessly. Without them, there would be no Bill of Rights and things would probably been a lot worse a lot sooner. In the end, the only cure for our ills is to abandon the federal government altogether and go back to a loose confederation, ie secession. That is the only cure.
In answer to your question, theoretically, if Paul had won, he would have had to follow through on some of his promises, but more likely, he would end up compromising with the socialists on a number of them. Theoretically, yes his presidency would have been better for us all, but the point I made in the beginning is that he had to know that a libertarian had no chance in hell of being elected.
As far as his “costume”, well it isn’t too obvious to very many people what he truly represents. But he does represent the status quo, not the people. I have touched on this in many ways, but in truth he does support Freemasonry, the Vatican, the Federal government concept, common currency, etc. In that sense, he is a globalist because these are all parts of globalism. For example, the Vatican is pro-UN and the pope even blessed the UN flag, yet Ron Paul never met a pope that he didn’t like. But he could safely portray himself as a libertarian for those who bought into the Federal government concept. He also aligned himself with Reagan, who was clearly a traitor, a member of the Grove, an honorary Mason, and who got the national debt running higher than ever. He also clearly stated many times that 9/11 was NOT and inside job, that truthers were wackjobs and that the only reason it happened was because of the “they hate us for our foreign policy” blowback paradigm. Which is utter bullshit that he continues to defend.
So, no, there was no one better suited for the job as controlled-opposition candidate. He continues to deceive people who are otherwise pretty savvy about the New World Order. That is why I say they are only 75% awake. More awake than most, but still have a ways to go.
Bottom line is, the Illuminati know what they are doing. They provided us with a hero to follow and then successfully neutralized us. We remain neutralized until we can step out of this federal paradigm altogether and move towards secession. That is the next step for us. Just stop recognizing Washington DC as your government. It isn’t and never was. Stop thinking about “taking it back” because you can’t take back what was never yours to begin with.
“Stop thinking about “taking it back” because you can’t take back what was never yours to begin with.”
If you hang around on any gun boards, you must know that theme has become dominant in the last year, with Paul supporters leading the charge. The rabble has been roused. The revolution IS coming. And Ron Paul’s name will be a common rallying cry, though certainly more out of reverence than actual fact. And in the unlikely event that the revolution is successful, he’ll be far to old (likely dead) by then to lead. Even in his own campaign, his status was closer to martyr than leader. And it’s impossible for a martyr to be a traitor, even IF he was one in life.
If the choice is between a federalist and a globalist, that’s the easiest decision I’d ever make. And even at that, Paul’s record is far less federalist than any of his peers. Yes, I’m well aware of the common libertarian argument that only a federalist could ever run for president, and I don’t dispute it. But that leaves only 2 options; Violent revolution, or electing the least objectionable federalist. And if the Bush presidency wasn’t enough to get the libertarians fighting, I can’t imagine how a Paul presidency would. The bottom line is, philosophy doesn’t get much done. You can vote, or you can fight. Doing nothing, delegates your future to those not even intelligent enough to see the problem.
The public image of Ron Paul is far more likely to inspire revolution than if we’d never known of him. Whether he is or isn’t a mason is irrelevant unless he decides to lead the fight, which he seems unwilling to do. If he was only put out there to suck the last bit of hope from the peasants, he failed miserably. Many of us are far more hopeful than we’ve been in years. But that hope comes from the prospect of overruling the electoral process, not embracing it.
Not sure were you get your information, but all I have heard RP followers say is to “Restore the Republic”, that is to “take back Washington”, ie the U.S. government.
What I am saying is totally different. I am saying, it’s not going to work and that leaves us with secession as the only option.
You say “the revolution is coming”, but is it a true grass-roots revolution or just another managed revolution that will end up going nowhere like RP’s campaign did?
Yes, Ron Paul’s name is the rallying cry of this managed revolution. Rather than thinking for themselves, they have handed all their power over to a savior figure not unlike Barack Obama in the sense that they are both viewed as the last great hope, the ONE, the Moses who can lead the masses out of darkness of bondage. It never worked and it will never work. As long as this is about personality cults, it will always be controlled and contrived from the top down.
I mean, you even admit that RP’s name is used is “more out of reverence than actual fact.” That is a very telling bit of language. He is revered, reverenced and let no man speak ill of his holiness. That is the way it is. Anyone who dares to blaspheme against him is immediately cursed and shot down, which means he is an object of cult worship. More reverenced as a symbol of a hope than of anything of subtance or fact. That is what you yourself admit. And I agree, there is no substance to him. I saw that long ago before he even ran for president. He was never truly impassioned. He sounded wimpy to me back then and yet, I did think that he was the least of evils and put my support behind him for several months until I started to see things that made me question what was going on.
Again, you admit that it is unlikely that this “revolution” will be successful and that he will be far too old to lead several years from now. But I can’t for the life of me see how he is some kind of martyr. His status and standing in Washington was only improved by the campaign. He is always very comfortable with himself, very cheery, and I am sure he sleeps soundly without a care in the world. Just like Bush and Obama. And that comes as no surprise because he works for the same Masonic masters.
What you fail to understand is that a federalist IS a globalist, even if it is a limited form of globalism that keeps the door open to the expansion of globalism.
As far as violent revolution goes, no sane, moral person would urge people to start with violence, but such a person would support the use of force to repel attack in self-defense. Violence is not recommended, but self-defense is. No matter what we do: RP Revolution, Secession or just sit and let Obama turn this into a Sovietized hemisphere, people are going to die. You can’t deny the fact that the government is already culling off, murdering millions of people both at home and abroad. This is both to feed the war machine and to serve the depopulation program (which RP never talks about) and to bring in the NWO. So the point is, no matter what you do, there is going to be blood spilt. Ask Bill Cooper about that. So we do have to fight and sacrifice for freedom. You can’t get it handed to you by a bunch of Masonic elites as happened in 1787-89. That was a false freedom, a limited freedom that allowed this country to become the literal engine of the NWO through massive industrialization. Now that they are through using us, it is time for planned obsolescence. We are to be shut down and culled off and that is how it is.
And here is another one, saying that it makes no difference if RP is a Mason or not, even though Freemasonry is the true engine behind the NWO. They are the architects, and the builders of it, brick by treasonous brick. Imagine a police chief of some city. Let’s say he has this squeaky clean image. Goes to church on Sunday with his lovely wife and kids. But what we don’t know is that he plays cards with mafia bosses and drug kingpins on Saturday night. Now, if the public caught wind of this, there would be a huge uproar and a big investigation would ensue. He would be forced to step down and he might end up in the slammer if indicted on charges of collusion. But if Ron Paul hangs around with Masons and Papal Knights, hey, no problem. He’s squeaky clean, nothing to worry about. In the end, if people finally understand what RP is all about, the only supporters he will have left will be the same Masons and Papal knights that he started with. They are in fact his biggest supporters which I have documented.
I never said he didn’t provide hope for the peasants. He has surely done that. But so has Obama for his followers, basing his whole campaign on HOPE. I notice Ron Paul does give people a lot of hope and optimism, even cheeriness and rapture from time to time. But what I have stated is, it is a false hope, because he doesn’t give you the bad news. He doesn’t tell you what we are really up against, this Masonic Matrix system that is designed to completely crush humanity and enslave us forever. He doesn’t tell you that the government uses terror to herd the sheep for slaughter. He tells you they have “bad policies” and that they are “inept” which is horsehocky. RP followers claim, foaming at the mouth, “But he’s for investigating 9/11! He’s a truther!” No he isn’t. He says he is for investigating their “ineptness” and any coverup of said ineptitude. He also says they are just “taking advantage” of terror after the fact, belieing the fact that all this crap was planned long ago because it is part of a military strategy to create a global dictatorship under surveillance. So that is another problem I have seeing all these truthers saying he is a truther. Complete rubbish.
And lastly, if you don’t have a philosophy based on objective reasoning, carefully thought through with a full accounting of the facts, what on Earth do you base your life on? Don’t tell me, the Bible, right?
I’ve gone out of my way to be polite. In return, you’ve repeatedly attacked me, at a personal level, on subjects that I haven’t even mentioned. Taking only your final paragraph as an example, you imply that I’m a religious zealot, incapable of independent, or even rational, thought. Unless you can offer a basis for such claims, I ask that you refrain from making them. Civilized debates focus on logic, and reason. Baseless accusations have no place in them.
As for where I get my information, (presumably about revolutionary discussions) I plainly stated that the gun boards are full of it. Additionally, it’s the single most commonly discussed subject at gun shows today, far surpassing the actual business of selling guns.
What it all comes down to is this. What are YOU doing to solve this problem that you alone appear to have the intellect to see? Simply being against everything, isn’t a plan. What are you FOR? I’ve plead nolo contendere to many of your arguments, for the purpose of coaxing a constructive solution out of you. Instead of offering one, you’ve simply shouted, “See, I told you so,” while accepting my pleasantries as evidence for your case. So I’ll repeat the main questions:
What ends were served by Ron Paul’s rather unimpressive campaign, which justify the 30 year process of crafting his public image?
Who do you suggest would have been a better choice?
“None of the above” is a valid, though entirely useless, alternative. And perhaps you’ve misunderstood me. I’ve never claimed, to you, or anyone else, that Paul would have, or could have, fixed our problems. The only solution at this point starts with complete dissolution of the current regime.
As a final point, you should know that “revere” and “worship” are different terms. One reveres a man, one worships a God. The difference is profound.
My, my, aren’t we sensitive Ted?
I noticed your very first comment was rather sneering and sardonic to begin with and you have shown that you pooh pooh the idea that being a Mason could have anything to do with working with the NWO. Everything you say is in opposition to what I say which is fine, but you haven’t tried to hide your own hostility toward my positions. So don’t get into this defensiveness mode with me. You just don’t like what I am doing and you therefore are stepping up your little attacks. That is all you are doing.
Yes, my answer is “none of the above” because I do not recognize this federal government as my government ever since I realized it was a scam from the beginning.
What am I doing? I am spending the majority of my days desperately trying to educate and wake the people of this world up to the real New World Order, to the real players behind it and what the real issues are. What are you doing?
Presidential politics is a fool’s passtime, so I am not in the business of touting candidates anymore. Knock yourself out with it.
The only real solution that I see is secession. That is my constructive solution and my advice to all others. I also do a lot of support for single-issue activism. You can look at the links on the front page for examples. I would be happy to live in the independent breakaway republic of California if enough people are willing to go that way. Secession is what I want people to start thinking about. I can’t make the states secede. It isn’t going to happen for a long time because most people are still asleep and worshipping the federal government, but I do hope people can come together to do it. If they follow the truth to it’s logical outcomes, they will realize that secession is the only option.
I already know where you are coming from and I don’t buy any of it, so there is no point in you commenting further. I recommend you spend your time on The Daily Paul where you will get much more sympathy and support for your ego.
Prepare to be shocked. Ron Paul video.
I’m a single woman, whose experienced ups and downs, downsizing, hiring freezes, despite a university education. I realize now that I’ve been set up on a career treadmill like a hamster to perpertually “upgrade” or retrain myself for jobs that don’t exist. Seems to me the only way to get ahead is to join the Masons. So why can’t women join, in this “free, democratic, all-inclusive, feminist west” we live in?
Vladmir Putin has kicked all the Rothschild’s agents out of Russia. They owe no money to those same people who are swindling us in the West. Me thinks it’s time to brush up on my Ruski, pack my bags and defect to Moscow – where the men are still men, and they love WOMEN. Straight pride! Ya baby.
PJ-
I simply asked that you provide some basis for the claims you made about me. Not only did you provide none, you expanded on them. Perhaps you’d have better luck convincing people of your views, if you toned down the contempt for people asking questions. And if you choose to call my questions sardonicisim, that’s your choice. But simply labeling them as such, doesn’t answer them. You’ve still offered no explanation for why a false image would be crafted for 30+ years, only for the man to become a historical footnote.
How do you propose we undertake this secession, without the violence that “no sane, moral person would urge people to start?” It was tried once, and we all know the result. And on the subject of a sovereign, independent, California, you must be aware that California is almost the size of all 13 original colonies, combined, with orders of magnitude more governmental control over it’s residents. How is your suggestion better than the one carried out two centuries ago, by those you so strongly denounce?
As for what I’m doing, my situation is very different from yours. You’ve set out to change minds, and solicit actions. As I’ve done neither, I have no obligation to set an example. My actions are my business, alone.
I have no idea where you get the impression that I’m looking for either sympathy, or support. And I’d never heard of the Daily Paul, until I read the name here, a few days ago. What I’m trying to do is to understand your point of view. If my beliefs are wrong, on any subject, I’d like them corrected. That’s why I’ve asked for specifics about your ideas. That’s how the learning process works. You seek new information, and alter your beliefs to match that which makes the most sense. To this point, your arguments don’t fit with my knowledge of history. I still see no motive for Paul to act as you claim he has. If you can provide one, whether it convinces me or not, it will certainly add to the strength of your case, in future discussions. Asking a question is not an insult. It’s an opportunity for you to educate. It’s also an opportunity for you to sort out your own ideas, even if only to more effectively convey them in the future. If, however, you choose to see questions as insults, the discussion quickly degrades to a screaming match, which never changes anyone’s mind. The choice of whether to insult, or educate, is entirely yours.
The Rothschilds are Masons as well, and they still have a significant stake in Russia because Putin is part of the same system as they are.
You certainly can join Masonic and Rosicrucian orders of various kinds. All you have to do is sign your soul over to the Illuminati.
So, since you can’t differentiate from true and false or good and evil, enjoy your corrupted life in the New Soviet World Order.
Co-Freemasonry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-Freemasonry
http://www.co-masonry.org/
Ordo Templi Orientis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn
Ted,
You are clearly delusional believing Freemasonry is good, that all countries should be the same size and that Ron Paul is a savior.
Either you are just a run of the mill psychopath or you are some kind of agent allied to Freemasonry or both. I only seek to educate those who have rational judgment and thank me for what I am doing. I don’t waste my time debating with my enemies. Anymore…
I have already given you sufficient information, enough for you to spend a few weeks verifying, yet all you do is sit there needling me for sources. Get off your butt and find it yourself. I don’t owe you a damn thing.
I give everybody exactly what they have coming, such as your girlfriend here who, like you, has no problem with Freemasonry, wants to join the Masons and work for Putin’s Stalinist regime.
I started off being nice to you, but then you start implying that what I am doing is useless, attempting to debunk me on every point. I am very kind to nice people who are sincerely seeking truth, and I heap praise on those who have already found it, but I have nothing but insults and impatience for arrogant jerks with towering egos who despise truth and do nothing but waste my time.
Since the world is half full of arrogant jerks, I am kept busy dispensing insults because people like you have erected a bulwark against the truth and deserve nothing more. It’s a thankless task, but somebody’s got to do it.
You think you already know it all, so you have nothing to gain from being here, and I have nothing to gain by answering your pesterings.
As I said, go to The Daily Paul http://www.dailypaul.com/ for Hope, Change, conventional Masonic history, unlimited optimism, mutual admiration and ego stroking. It’s like one big happy family of bubbling optimists there. Really, you will fit right in.
I like the way Putin talks – like a real man – a species that’s become so feminized here in North America, that they’re almost extinct. He’s a macho, macho man – he turns me on :)
http://blacklistednews.com/news-2269-0-15-15–.html
Aww comrade. I bet you say that about all the Stalinist dictators.
Please, somebody tell me that this is not for real. It is heartbreaking and shocking to read this.
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/162838
Indeed it is sad but could very well be accurate.
Politics is a creation of the monied elite, and until their economic system is reversed from under their noses, they (Rothschild & friends) will control the political prostitutes on the stage. Ron Paul had been the loan man fro truth, but as with the John Birch Society, he could just as easily be a shill to give people (that don’t know better) hope.
PS true change will only come about through economic, not politics.
Though I would like to be the first one to accept such “claims”, I believe that this is just a “reverse-psychology” stint by the agentur of the Illuminati to rethink about Ron Paul’s true intentions. Just because he was giving a speech @ a univ. with Masonic symbology doesn’t make HIM a Freemason!
Furthermore, if that was the case, he would atleast have been given SOME consideration in the Zionist-propagandist media, which he didnt. Hence, this is enough to prove that he is an honest man. But at the end, Allah Knows Best what his true character is… we can only guess…
Zaki,
What you “believe” about me has no basis in fact, no more than your belief in Islam which is just another horrible mind-control cult of the Illuminati. Look at the source of your own symbols, the crescent and the “star” which is nothing more than Illuminati occult symbolism used in black magic. What is being worshipped in fact is the crescent Moon and the star Sirius, sacred to Freemasonry. It is a lunar religion based on the lunar calendar. It should not therefore surprise you that the very elite Shrine Freemasons make use of this same “Islamic” symbolism. We also find that Christianity and Islam are connected through the Catholic Church and the Knights Templar. We also see the connections between Sufism and Rosicrucianism, which was a basis for modern Freemasonry. All these religions (exoteric for the masses and esoteric forthe elite) are connected up through the Illuminati for total domination of the human mind.
I fight the Illuminati, the elite, who are the continuation of the “ancient ones”, those who were “illuminated” into the “mysteries”, the secrets of social control and domination since the time of the Sumerians and beyond. Nothing has really changed since then, except that they have gone global in their power.
Ron Paul has been part of the Illuminati establishment for almost four decades if you include his time in Lambda Chi Alpha, another masonic fraternity that also uses crescent moon symbolism and spawned big Illuminati agents like B.F. Skinner and Harry Truman, along with many other congressmen and senators who all end up serving the NWO. His wife is in Freemasonry and his father was a Mason. Even his girls were sent through Masonic training. And it is HE who is working reverse psychology on all those who are partially awake to the New World Order agenda. He has gathered them all together in order to neutralize them. Very effectively, I might add.
The Illuminati plan for all contingencies and therefore give the opposition a “hero” to shepherd them off into a direction where they will do the least amount of damage. His mission is accomplished and I expect that he will soon get his knighthood from the pope or some honorary Masonic degree from one of the grandmasters in return for his services. I am not joking about that.
As far as media coverage, Ron Paul has been given ample coverage. He was given huge exposure during the height of the campaign appearing on every single one of the the major TV talk shows and he was always the “talk of the town” after all the debates. I notice him at least once or twice a week on Fox or CNN or CSPAN where he continues to get very respectful treatment, even from the likes of that disgusting Neocon Neil Cavuto. However, anyone who was truly against the New World Order, a true revolutionary, would be absolutely shunned, shut out of the mainstream, maybe even framed or assassinated, and that is not and never was the case with Ron Paul. These claims that he has been shut out are all utter BS coming from his top handlers. The facts do not lie.
Ron Paul passes the 9/11 official story with the spin that it happened as a result of “bad policies” in the Middle East, ie Blowback Bullshit. In reality, it was an inside job, but Ron Paul voted to give Bush authority to wage the ever-expanding “War on Terror” which is a war on humanity in reality. He also congratulated our latest fraudulent CEO of the USA corporation who makes it clear that he wants to invade Pakistan based on the same lies that Ron Paul promotes. RP also stated that he hopes Obama will “bring us together” which is code for fascist unity. So don’t give me all this crap about him. I am sick of it.
You need to wake up, face reality and become an individual. If you have the courage to do so. But most people lack courage, moral fiber and wisdom. They cannot discern truth from fiction or good from evil. So I fully expect you to come back and attack me like most of the others do.
If anyone works for the Illuminati, it is people like you, Ted and Czarina and a host of others, too many to mention just on this thread alone! Disgusting sick people.
Oh comrade, you blew my cover. Yes, I work for the Illuminati. That is why I live in a cold, damp country, and spend my time reading blogs about conspiracy theories, instead of sipping champagne and eating caviar at Rothschilds castle somewhere in Bavaria, or sunbathing on Sarkozy’s yacht on the French Riviera. But, I am truly flattered by your compliment. :)
Ron Paul is just the leader that the elite have always given the public to champion certain issues.Never,ever,never,never trust a politician no matter how much truth he brings.The elite live by a motto,”the best way to control the opposition is become the opposition”
I live in ‘small town’ America — my grandfather and many respected local businessmen were members of the Masons — they had NO knowledge of this higher order that is supposedly controlled by Illuminati — they were God-fearing, good men who thought just as many ‘church’goer’s that the society provided a place to honor ‘good ‘ … honesty, responsiblity, respect for family, etc, What is wrong w/ that??? Ron Paul probably grew up thinking the same thing — he does have principles and tries to do his best – Also, I learned of the conspiracy from the John Birch Society back in the 70’s and 80’s when the ‘Freedom Movements’ were especially active … I know nothing of this connection to Rockefeller – these days – what in the world can you believe? … perhaps it is true –
I can’t prove or disprove — fact remains good honest people were involved, trying to maintain a sense of responsibility, less government and truth as their only weapon ideal – that said — connections to Mason/Birch Society does NOT
mean he is part of the conspiracy …
What always amazes me is how people can have the minimal internet skills necessary to post a comment here, but don’t seem to know how to operate the Google search engine.
Nelson Rockefeller provided Robert Welch with the seed money for JBS, and any further monies needed. Nelson Rockefeller actually ran the JBS from the start according to Eustace Mullins. So JBS was a Rockefeller project from day one. Now if you don’t know how to Google, go here:
http://www.google.com
Type in “Robert Welch, Nelson Rockefeller” in the little search engine doohicky. Then click the Google Search button. You will see a whole bunch of references there.
You can easily do the same with everything else I have said and do some of your own research to verify the objective facts. I make none of this stuff up. I couldn’t if I tried anyway, nor would I want to go around making stuff up because that ain’t right. I leave all the fabricating and lying to the New World Order crowd which includes the high Illuminati bloodlines, the royal aristocracy, the big shot globalists, the CFR and the RIIA, Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, Freemasons and members of dozens of Masonic spinoff organizations, the Jesuits, Knights of Malta, Knights Templar, lifer career politicians with Illuminati connections (like Ron Paul) etc, etc, etc. The elite, and those who serve the elite.
Now I refute your claim that grandpappy was such a wonderful guy because, here is the deal: if someone is a low-level underling of the mafia, I don’t care if he doesn’t know what his bosses are up to. He is still IN the Mafia. He is still serving that agenda. Freemasonry happens to be the higher source of organized crime as the Mafia came out of Freemasonry as a lodge with a charter of its own, complete with all the initiation rituals. Even to this day it is run by Freemasonry wherein, if a mobster is run down and locked up, all he has to do is contact his grand lodge or give the judge his distress signal and he will have a much easier time of it. You can read up about that in Gangs of Iraq, where I detail plenty of information on connections between gangs, the mafia and freemasonry at the end of the article.
While it is true, as Albert Pike stated, that the lower degrees are deliberately deceived as to the true agenda of Freemasonry, there is still no excuse joining a secret society where you take blood oaths to protect secrets that you may or may not know anything about. Ignorance is no excuse, especially these days where all the information required to make an informed decision is available at your fingertips via the internet.
See also:
Ron Paul, JBS, Catholicism, Reagan
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/ron_paul.html
JOHN F. McMANUS, THE JESUITS & THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/john-f-mcmanus-the-jesuits-the-john-birch-society/
for more fun facts.
Pope blesses U.N. flag, calls for “binding international rules”
The Pope is the biggest internationalist of all, but that doesn’t phase the JBS in the slightest.
Now the Catholic John McManus who was Mormon/Freemason Robert Welch’s right hand man, is an interesting bird. He praises the Popes out of one side of his mouth, while from the other corner of his lips, rails against the UN, when in fact the Vatican is heavily invested in the UN, Pope Benedict calls for a New World Order, and gave a speech at the UN calling for expanding UN programs and even blessed the UN flag. The fact of the matter is all the Illuminati and their minions (including George Bush and Ron Paul) praise the popes because they are the Pied Pipers of the New World Order, herding the Catholic sheep into global government. McManus ain’t dumb. He knows all this, yet plays both sides. Controlled opposition is nothing more than double agents leading the opposition, or any given aspect of opposition. So if you are pro-Ron Paul, pro-Vatican, pro-Freemasonry and pro-JBS (all the same thing as I have demonstrated over and over again), you are not really opposition at all. You are merely serving the Illuminati through one of its control arms.
Hi everybody,
I know you all don’t trust Ron Paul, but I was wondering if there was any media coverage at all of his Nov 22 rally to end the Fed. Up here in the Great White North I saw nothing about it on TV. They only show us Paulson and his wonderful speeches on how he is going to “help” Americans by injecting more of his counterfeit money into the economy. Then Stephen Harper tells us how strong Canada’s banks are and that we will not be badly affected, but now he says we are in a “technical” recession that may last 2 years. Nobody is organizing any rallys up here to reform the Bank of Canada. Nobody is even thinking about that.
If Ron Paul is a Mason that would make him a shill. There are many shills about. I’m suspect of any member of congress who has served more than two terms. I’ve always been suspect of ron Paul. Especially when he was collecting his congressional salary and running for president. what makes him any different from the rest. They should all be required to give up their seats when they declare their candidacy for president. There’s nothing special about Ron Paul. It’s a racket for him as well.
Most of you people are idiots. I am a freemason, have been one for several years. It is simply a social group of guys who get together, have a good meal, have a coctail, and some nice conversation. The only difference with the elks, the knights of columbus or any other fraternity is that the Freemasons have been around a lot longer so the entrance ritual is much much older. Get a grip on all your idiotic conspiracy theories. Grow up already there is no eveil cabal plotting to take over the world…LOL…just to think about all the old guys down at the lodge trying to take over the world makes me laugh hysterically…..
Don, you are a piece of crap scumbag sitting in your lodge laughing at those who want to rescue the world from peril. You are serving the elite as a propagandist and disinformationist. Nobody is tying to take over the world? That is a lie and you know it.
We live in a world of illusions sold to us through the Masonic television while the big bankers and CEOs (most of them masons by the way) are literally enslaving the American people, ripping them off of trillions of dollars. Globalist think-tanks are undemocratically and secretly instituting global policies leading us into global government. The vast majority of world leaders are nothing but dictators. Autism and obesity are going through the roof. Modern medicine is a leading cause of death. The food and water is poison. We are experiencing the steady erosion of our rights, especially of 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments, while checkpoints, cameras and militarized police forces are going into every city. Group after group, people are being microchipped. Robots are going to be unleashed upon the public and the people in turn, are being transformed into bionic cyborgs. And all of this is happening throughout the entire world simultaneously.
So FU Don. FU Jesters, you Shriners and your merry men of mirth. You are the gay traitors who have cremated Care and cast Conscience to the wind. Par for the course with Freemasons. Your true loyalty is to your Craft and to your Lodge, not your to countrymen. You are all disgusting traitors and more and more people are recognizing that fact. So keep laughing. Someday, you will get your just reward, when you least expect it.
Allmhuran,
The Masonic federal government is a scam and always was. But they have controlled the truth/freedom movement like I knew they would do. They have controlled it through Ron Paul.
Most of his support came from listeners to Alex Jones. And most if not all of them are 9/11 truthers. And yet, his most rabid supporters are slapped in the face several times on national media when Ron Paul turns his back on them, stating that they are all nuts and that 9/11 was just chickens coming home to roost, a view he shares with Ward Churchill.
And even though he has not repented of this view, he is still admired by many 9/11 truthers which is quite an amazing feat. You mean, if I tell the 9/11 truthers that 9/11 was simply blowback and chickens coming home to roost, maybe I too can be admired by them? Hahahaha!
9/11 was an inside job. I’m not afraid to say it. Why is Ron Paul afraid? Why is he STILL afraid?
You guys are a little paraniod, don’t you think? Your attacking a man based on his associations with Fraternity that gives more money to charites than any other and asks for no recognition. The KKK claims to be christian, does that make every christian an imbred mongrel racist?
I’m attacking a hydra-headed Order – in all its colorful manifestations such as Mystic Shrine, Jesters,
York Rite and Scottish Rite – that is headed up ultimately by royal families, that requires blood oaths to protect “secrets” while hiding behind a convenient front of “charity” while it controls everything from the corporations and religion to government and education. I’m attacking a fraternity that is at least 6 million strong (double that figure to include spinoff organizations) around the world, but about which the average person knows absolutely nothing or next to nothing. I’m attacking those who claim that we who expose the New World Order are “paranoid conspiracy theorists” when the signs and symptoms of tyranny, treason and massive high-level corruption are right in front of our faces every single day. I’m attacking sick little debunkers like you with your stupid little pat-answers for everything that you and your ilk repeat verbatim over and over as if they come out of a counter-intelligence manual.
You take your oaths. You sell your souls. You corrupt yourselves so thoroughly that you then betray your own people and the rest of humanity by both implementing and covering up for the Masonic New World Order system that is pushing us, against our will, into a hellish nightmare future. And all the while, you dirtbags misdirect, lie and laugh about it and try to make fun of and disparage anyone who is stating the obvious. You are so evil and disgusting that words just cannot describe it.
So screw you too Jim M. You are just another lousy traitor against humanity. I just wish you creeps would come out and admit it and stop pretending to be such upstanding citizens. If you did that, I might just ironically have more respect for you.
PJ, truthseeker, and some others here… thanks for all your hard work, your efforts to reach out, grapple for, find, and share truth…. you are appreciated. I see you are bombbarded with crap from the enemies, the deluded ‘good’ people, …you know – those who like Eve have eaten the fruit and whose minds are still in the grips of a lie
Tim
Tim,
Much appreciated. I have gotten to the point (after years of slogging, stumbling and grappling) where I know what I am talking about concerning the NWO and nobody can BS me about it. I know immediately when they attack me, it is just the enemies of humanity (and their useful idiots) trying to obfuscate and cover their tracks. The only thing that can save humanity is the truth, no matter how disturbing it might be. Nothing less will do.
PJ,
you stated back mid Nov. ,….”The only real solution that I see is secession. That is my constructive solution and my advice to all others”….
J.A.I.L. legislation seems like it would be easier to accomplish and more effective… you would still need it.
Besides, are you promoting the agenda of the ones you otherwise so vehemently oppose… you do know they want to subdivide this great country, don’t you?
I’m not promoting anyone’s agenda and I resent your implication. I made a simple deduction from knowing history and the nature of tyranny. I am thinking independently here, unlike the vast majority of sheep out there. If your house is on fire, the first thing is to get yourself out of it.
There is nothing legally binding the states to the American Union (US) to begin with, but even if secession was “illegal”, people have the right to choose their own destinies, break treaties, separate as they wish and declare their independence from amalgamations and tyrants. Of course, any grass-roots movement is in danger of being infiltrated and steered toward an objective, so anything that we do has to be done with that in mind. This is not a new or novel idea either. Note that a number of secessionist movements are moving forward regardless of what I say or do. The reason for this is that it is just common sense and people are sick of being pushed around and abused by this federal system. Also, there is no quick fix. It is going to take generations to pull humanity out of the NWO, so we have to stop thinking just about ourselves and think about the children of today and their yet unborn children. Secession is just the first step, and even that will take years to accomplish due to widespread ignorance.
Anyway, I don’t see the elite wanting to break up the states. I only see them trying to unify and federalize them even more in preparation for wider amalgamation into the NAU first and a Pan-American hemispheric union later on. They certainly can use division as a dialectic to divide and conquer, but that isn’t what I’m talking about. This is just about decentralization of power. It’s about restoring power to the people through their own actions. It is not about restoring something that never was their’s in the first place. The states can and will continue to share a common heritage and will continue to cooperate with each other, just with the understanding of each other’s sovereignty and independence. Thorny issues of borders, currencies and defense will be worked out on a case-by-case basis. It won’t be the end of the world and it will make life far better for all. Also, secession is the only mechanism that can cut the cord with globalism. Otherwise, the states will continue to be dragged down into global government.
The USA is corrupt and elitist at its very foundation, from its founding onward. That is the pure anti-federalist point of view and that is my view with the extra added understanding about Freemasonry’s CENTRAL role in the NWO. If I was living in the 1700s, I would have been writing anti-federalist tracts, wondering why the elite Freemasons were so eager to set up a unified and standardized super-state with a central authority figure in a king-like president. I would have wondered why they were so secretive in their assemblies, why the common man had so little say in all of it and why they left out a bill of rights that was only appended later after fierce wrangling.
The anti-federalists knew this wasn’t a good thing and made their fears public, though most were so afraid of the elite that they used pseudonyms. What were they so afraid of? In a word, tyranny, another form of tyranny that replaced the old one, just as has happened over and over throughout history. You know, if you tell a European that the EU is bad, they will just laugh saying “Why? What’s the matter? We are just the same as you with your United States of America” and he wouldn’t be wrong about that generally. Nobody shed a tear when the ancient empires broke up. Nobody wept when the Soviet Union broke up, except for the die-hard Communists, but even so, they immediately set up the CIS to maintain control from Moscow. That was by design of course, because this break-up was only another machination of the elite in preparation of total international Sovietization.
If a person is honest (and very few are), and really studies history, not the Masonic-edited history fed to us from childhood on, then they will warm to the idea that individual states can get along quite well on the same continent. That is how it should be, just as it was in South America for hundreds of years. But look, now they are doing the same things that the EU did and that the US did, amalgamating and centralizing under UNASUR.
I maintain that the national election process is rigged, and always has been to keep the elites in power. Federal legislation is a complete waste of time. Tell me something good the Congress has done. With every piece of legislation, the country just slips deeper and deeper into the New World Order. Tell me one person in Congress who is really fighting the NWO. Not one single sorry ass in there, and that includes Ron Paul. He is controlled opposition and that’s it. I am fed up with all the lies and the liars.
Sorry if you can’t handle the truth. Go find a more comforting site.
Sadly then Alex Jones is among them. He not only is in full support of the Birch Society, but still clings to Paul even though he knows what everyone knows now about him.
PJ,
I appreciate truth… I don’t always appreciate the way way it gets handled.
Your or this site has been helpful in the search for truth… My primary objective for being here never was comforting myself, it was simply to arrive at a better understanding of truth. …My initial response was to express thanks for what I found of that to the most obvious contributors of it. …
However, I have yet to find any of us arriving at flawless conclusions all the time. …We are finite and prone to error because of it
Resent my implications …just be honest with yourself,… and the rest of us, …I know it can be painful, but that is just pride getting in the way.
Tim,
I agree that we are all susceptible to wrong conclusions and mistakes. I disagree that my resentment is merely the result of pride. Here is your quote:
“Besides, are you promoting the agenda of the ones you otherwise so vehemently oppose…”
You make an implication that I am somehow promoting the Enemy’s agenda and you bet that pisses me off and I have every right to be offended and tell you about it, especially since I have been very hard at this, communicating truth at a very high standard for almost 10 years.
The worst thing you can say about a researcher is to imply they are working for the enemy, that they are a traitor. That is a huge insult and I don’t take it lightly. So don’t give me that condescending guff about pride.
In fact, it kind of makes me wonder where YOU are coming from.
And by the way, would you like to tell me where I am wrong? I would like to hear it so that I can correct my mistake. Spell it all out with some kind of cogent argument based on facts and I will consider it.
So what? There are many ‘good’ masons. RP is or is not a mason. He is good and had many good ideas that would have brought this country out of the depravity that the last eight, some say twenty years, have become the US. But good guys don’t get to be pres. they have to have the right bloodlines.
It takes a real simpleton to simplify it down like that Tom.
You have obviously ignored everything I have said here. I have not made up a single statement. I base everything on the facts. Like all Masons and Masonic sympathizers, you on the other hand, are only voicing opinions without any facts to back it up, like it’s religious doctrine taken on faith. If you can prove me wrong on any account, be my guest. Give her a whirl.
Besides, don’t you think HE knows that he could never get elected since he doesn’t seem to have the bloodlines for it? He knows it’s a totally rigged game and yet he led his sheep on to believe he could possibly win it. And they are even talking about him running in 2012! It’s a joke and he knows it because stupid, he ain’t.
And since when does someone have to have the bloodlines to serve the Illuminati? Plenty of their minions are considered to be “commoners”.
You say there are “good” Masons, so name some of them for us. Can you name a few “good” living Masonic politicians? How about “good” Masonic preachers? How about some “good” Masonic Hollywood directors? Or some “good” Masonic bankers? Masonic CEOs?
PJ,
sorry for the delay. …
‘Divide and conquer’ is common enemy tactic. …They are happy to see everyone seceding from one another… Look at their masterpiece, the french revolution. Yes, the people were united enough to get rid of a tyrannical king and a tyrannical church… but after accomplishing that they turned on each other in the quest for power. …It served our enemies.
Read ‘The Gulag Archipeligo’ …it recoreded how the majority would seperate from any the state condemned as criminal… Alexander lamented the people were not more united in resisting the enemies (who were a minority). …
A government, be it self, familial, city, regional, federal must be centered on truth, right, best. It must hold fundamentally to the truth that ‘ all men are created equal in that they have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness’. …Yes, secede from any gov. that will not back from it’s tyranny to the position of this core truth. …We cannot support tyranny. …Without JAIL though you will likely just move from one tyranny to another just as oppressive but more to your peculiar taste …JAIL is not perfect, but it is the best solution at the time.
Time,
We are already corrupted, dumbed down, intimidated, disempowered, divided and conquered, and yet “paradoxically” we have never been more federalized and hence unified in the Land of Sheep, Home of the Slave. And your theory that secession is going to cause some kind of conflict between the states has no basis. I guarantee that the independent states will continue to live side by side in good will and harmony just as the US has maintained good relations with its neighbors to the north and south. Of course there will be some conflicts, but it does not follow a priori across the board. When the south seceded, it wasn’t individual states, but the UNION itself that declared war upon those who chose not to remain in it. The federal government is absolutely fanatical about maintaining the American Union and that is because centralized power allows for absolute power.
Secession is the only possible course of action. Like turning on a light switch, secession banishes the darkness. All the horrible problems like the NAU, the Patriot Act police state, global government, perpetual war, tax-slavery, debt-slavery and everything else associated with the monstrosity of the Federal government are immediately and totally done away with. Of course, each state must deal with its own problems, but it will be in an atmosphere of much greater citizen accessability to government and thus representation. All other suggestions like voting out the bad guys, economic reform or judicial reform are tried and unworkable and only lead the sheep on with false hopes. You can’t reform something that is corrupt to its core. If you want to defend your ground, you can only do it from your ground, not from hundreds or thousands of miles away, with so-called representatives who don’t listen to you, in what amounts to another country, a city-state called the District of Columbia. And look into the meaning of Columbia to know where it comes from:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=columbia+occult+freemasonry&btnG=Search
Abolition of the American Union is the cure-all for nearly every political ill that is besetting us. If we become independent states, then who is going to conquer us? The answer is, there will be no such entity able to do it other than foreign powers overseas, and then if they want to invade, let them come and we will be ready for them with purely defensive militaries and an armed citizenry coming to our neighbor’s assistance just as we do today with state firefighting units. But you see, they won’t be able to do it without help from the American taxpayer and the American consumer who have fed the Chinese and Russian economies for decades through stealth in the federal government and its related economic sectors. The WTO, GATT and NAFTA will all go right out the window and we won’t be forced to buy Chinese goods anymore. We won’t have to eat their poison food anymore either. So this divide and conquer BS is just a smokescreen. Secession will be like coming home after a long time lost in the wilderness.
Besides, secession is already ongoing and it will not stop unless the federal government enacts total martial law and simply dissolves the right to state government and then we will all be in a real fix. Therefore, it is critical that secession proceeds as it naturally and organically must as our only real defense against the Federal Juggernaut. Vermont, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii, Ohio, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Montana and Arizona are the states I vote most likely to secede (pun intended) first. Others will follow suit quietly and guess what: the sky won’t fall, the world won’t end. In fact, the opposite. And likely new states will be born out of the will of the people in those areas where they very sensibly deem it necessary to preserve and defend their own right to govern themselves as they see fit.
Your “J.A.I.L.” sounds like another NESARA type of panacea hoax. You are wasting people’s time with that because it will never work in a million years. It’s just another false hope for the sheeple. Since you are pushing it so hard, one has to wonder what your motives are. I know what my motivation is: to save the people in this part of the world from the New World Order, including myself and my own family.
Secession is the only practical and realistic solution to nullify the NWO and bring people to sovereignty, the basis of freedom.
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For those wishing to study secession issues, I have numerous links in the Issues and Activism section. I encourage people to go to these links, read the articles and pass the links and info to others. This is a truly grass-roots movement that starts small and builds up a head of steam as people realize it is the only way out of the New World Order system. I figure we have about two or three years left to accomplish it. After that, it will be just about too late because the North American Union will be established and linked up to the global dictatorship through the UN. So folks, please start thinking about it.
your everyday freemason is harmless they have no idea they are a front for and evil group.
Well, I think you are admitting it is an “evil group”. You know it and I know it, so why are the “everyday Freemasons” ignorant of this fact? Though it is true that the masters deliberately deceive the Blue Lodge masons about the higher degrees, it is still no excuse. They should know that something is not right with this picture from the beginning. I maintain that they ignore any doubts because, for the promise of reward and perks, for elevated status, they are willing to compromise themselves morally while rationalizing it is all for the greater good, etc. They are willing to submit to terrible blood oaths, and to go along with the established order (because few Masons are willing to rock the boat and tell the truth about corruption in high places), and so I think at the very least, they have turned away from their better instincts and essentially sold their souls to the elite through this system. In return, they are given special status as “pillars of society” doing good works and so on.
But if ordinary non-masonic people can do a modicum of research, and quite easily find out the real truth about Masonry, then why can’t these supposedly “good everyday Masons” find out the truth? It seems to me that either they don’t want to know the truth, or that they do know, and are happy with the situation as it is because very few of them leave Masonry once they join. And fewer still are willing to risk getting their throats cut by blowing the whistle. The explanation is that they have learned the art of the “Cremation of Care”, the sublimation of conscience to a “higher cause”, ie the New World Order system. You will also note that the Freemasons are the first to try to debunk all claims about the New World Order, about false-flag terror, about the destruction of our freedoms, about the viciously corrupt system we are all under, and about all the wars we have been involved in. They especially lie about the causes of our problems and always maintain a safe distance from the facts.
I am calling you Masons on your lies and your corruption. Come out of it and stop carrying the NWO banner for the elite. If you come out of it and risk everything for the truth, you will gain my respect. Otherwise, you are all a bunch of traitors to humanity as far as I’m concerned.
PJ…
I agree with your last post, anyone who joins these secret organizations such as the Masons has joined him/herself to an organization that plainly disregards the truth, ‘that all men are created equal and have the right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness’ …all these money/power loving masses have to do is look at the vows that are exacted from them, …if they have more love of truth than money/power they will leave the ranks of secret evil.
But, PJ, You amaze me… that is IF I am to consider you a clear thinker on various points here.
“We are already corrupted, dumbed down, intimidated, disempowered, divided and conquered, and yet “paradoxically” we have never been more federalized and hence unified in the Land of Sheep, Home of the Slave. ”
WOW !!! …do you think Pharoah is going to just let us walk off the slave job??? (…no wonder Moses didn’t want the job God gave him… He KNEW it would take nothing less than the intervention of GOD, ALMIGHTY to save a people such as you describe.)
..JAIL’s battles, particularly in SD recently prove I’m right on this point. http://www.jail4judges.org/ For the perhaps the first time in history we saw virtually the entire state legislature unite in lies to oppose a piece of legislation that over 90 percent of the general public favored. …it was just one more indicator of how guilty the political establishment is (and most major business for that matter). …They could see the ‘handwriting on the wall’, …they know they are criminals.
“And your theory that secession is going to cause some kind of conflict between the states has no basis. I guarantee that the independent states will continue to live side by side in good will and harmony just as the US has maintained good relations with its neighbors to the north and south. Of course there will be some conflicts, but it does not follow a priori across the board. When the south seceded, it wasn’t individual states, but the UNION itself that declared war upon those who chose not to remain in it. “…
If I understand you correctly you don’t know the Spirit that moves you in what you say. You might as well be Peter when Christ said, ‘Get out of my sight , Satan….’
Is a Union, formed on the understanding, ‘that all men are created equal having the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness’, IS A UNION formed in view of such a solemn understanding/obligation, IS IT to be LIGHTLY disregarded when broken to enslave our fellow men ? …esp. here. Are we our brother’s (fellow mankind) keeper. You know we are. …We NEVER have a right to do evil and cover it with statements like, ‘I’m just doing my job.’ …or… ‘I’m sorry, I have to do this’. …PJ, go all the way with truth… be strong man…
“Secession is the only possible course of action.’
until you deal with the issue of judicial accountability you are simply taking the problem with you
” Like turning on a light switch, secession banishes the darkness. All the horrible problems like the NAU, the Patriot Act police state, global government, perpetual war, tax-slavery, debt-slavery and everything else associated with the monstrosity of the Federal government are immediately and totally done away with.”….etcetc
Hardly. …you have then merely assumed a different position of war with those things. Pharoah is NOT going to let former slaves get away that easy.
Tell me one thing, if you will, how on earth is secession possible to pull off, successfully. ….I mean you are talking about a lot more than your homestead when you talk of secession. …and those who have individually seceded from this system have often found themselves made a worse prisoner by those who had the power to make it happen. …do you think you will fair better than the NA Indian, or the Hawaiin, or any of many others? …they all got an ungodly shaft from the system managers of this nation, and a lot of other greedy people.
Tim,
Christianity enslaves people’s minds (as it was designed to do) and keeps them trapped in an “inevitable” collision with an apocalyptic future as “progress” towards a utopian heaven with streets of gold and angels strumming on harps, where the special chosen few will enjoy bliss at the feet of the Lord forever and ever amen. Meanwhile, everybody else, no matter how good they were, is going to burn in eternal torment forever, and ever amen. So you are duped just as you attempt to dupe others and short-circuit any real plan for getting us out of the NWO system. If a Christian is true to his scripture, he will want world government, the anti-christ, the apocalypse, the tribulation and all the rest of it to manifest on Earth as part of “God’s [the Illuminati’s] Plan”. In fact, if you study Romans 13 carefully, you will see that a “Good Christian” will obey the government because the rulers are supposedly placed there with the blessings of the Almighty Himself. If they are “good”, then it is God’s reward. If they are evil and tyrannical, then it is supposed to mean we got it coming and God is using them to chastise us. That is the theology that has kept the Christian world in chains for two thousand years, ignorant of the truth and useful to the Illuminati rulers. As Seneca so eloquently put it:
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
So everything you do and say I take to be of a negative impact on freedom and humanity itself because your reasoning is warped. And don’t give me any more of your crap that the Devil’s speaking through me. So you are Christ and I am Peter?
Fuck………you………you make me sick to the pit of my stomach so I want to spit in your general direction you holier-than-thou asshole.
You’re the one who doesn’t have the balls to face reality and, you don’t have either the intelligence or the moral heart to look for real solutions. All you are doing is promoting your filthy Christian mind-control and your limited judicial reform crap that will never go anywhere as far as saving this country from total tyranny. Each state will take care of it’s own judicial structure and doesn’t need your help. The elite want us to float limited reform legislation, and they want us to vote in their rigged elections, and they want us to have controlled “investigations” into their crimes and they want us to run these half-assed impeachment proceedings that go nowhere and never produce any results. They want us to work within THEIR system so that they can control whatever we try to do. But the thing they don’t want us to do is to secede. That is the one thing they will not tolerate and for that reason alone that it should be done.
Secession is progressing naturally in a half-dozen states for different reasons. If the states do not secede, they will be roped into an even worse form of union, the North American Union that will be even harder to leave once they are bound up in it. This is slated to occur sometime between 2010 and 2012. So we have only about a year or two left to get going on secession now before it’s too late. The next four years under Obama will result in more international wars, more Big Government socialism, more police state tyranny, more Global Warming Hoax Fascism, more massive looting, more poverty in a terrifying depression, more unbelievable corruption, more social degeneration and chaos, more of everything we don’t want. And there is truly nothing we can do within the current system to stop it or even slow it down. Therefore, if we want to avoid all this horror, we have to leave the American Union, and all the international treaties (NAFTA, FTAA, GATT, SPP, WTO, UN, Transatlantic Treaty, NATO, etc, etc) it is tied to, and allow the hydra-headed monster to collapse due to lack of support from the states. If you can’t see that, you are an incredible dunce.
Between the absolute corruption of Washington revealed through the elite-enriching “bailout” and the perpetual war that does nothing but kill people, the states are getting fed up or at least they better get fed up and secede. Secession is known as breaking the chains that bind one, something you don’t want us to do. You want us to remain slaves to the aristocracy. Listen to yourself whining, “Oh, no. Pharoah is just too powerful! He’ll never let us get away with that”. If the American Union decides to invade a seceding state, then that is proof (not that it needs any more proving!) that it is a tyranny which cannot stand for independence and freedom. Then what will likely happen is many states will follow suit in a paradoxical solidarity with that invaded state. If people have any sense that is. Currently, the situation is very, very bleak and I have very little hope for success due to all the corruption, mind-control and ignorance that Americans are immersed in like sick fish in a polluted pond.
Nobody is just going to hand us our freedom. The rule is tyranny. Freedom is the exception to the rule. The price of freedom is fighting for it. I am ready to fight because I’m sick and tired of being run by the Illuminati thugs and a logical path to freedom being short-circuited by smug, arrogant, stupid, lame-brain Christians who do nothing but aid and abet the elite.
Almost all of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons. The debates on the wording of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights took place in Masonic Halls and Lodges. The secret ballot, which so many cherish in America, is a practise that was taken to the citizens of the United States directly from Masonic lodges. There would be no 2nd Amendment had Freemasons put it into the Bill of Rights.
PJ,
a very simple question: Is Jesus of Nazareth who he said he is ? …as recorded in the 4 gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
…Did this Jesus of Nazareth tell the truth ?
…IT IS OBVIOUS WHAT YOU THINK OF CHRISTIANITY, …but what of this Jesus? …from the best knowledge you have of him.
What kind of freedom could a person expect to find in your seceded state… do you believe that all mankind have equal right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Tim,
Jesus did not even exist. He is a construct of elite religious engineers based on an amalgamation of former mythologicial god-men who came thousands of years before him: Tammuz, Horus, Osirus, Dionysus, Orpheus, Mithras, etc, etc. In short, he is neither real, nor unique. Dozens of books have been written on the subject all waiting for you to investigate. But if you keep your mind closed to the truth, you will do nothing but keep trying to debunk them and telling people like me that we are demon-possessed. As far as any truths contained in the Bible, they have been stitched in only to make it palatable enough for people to swallow it whole.
The movement of the globalists, of the Illuminati, is to create more and more “unity”, that is centralization of power through “Unions”. Keep in mind, the American Union was among the first, followed later by the Soviet Union and other federations. (Federalism, uniting of states into unions, is the essence of the elite agenda which demands standardization and dependence on a central authority.) Then, the European Union, North American Union, South American Union, Asia-Pacific Union, African Union, Mediterranean Union and so on. If the people of this world ever want to find freedom, they must work in the opposite direction against all these unions for DE-centralization of power. The only way to accomplish freedom is through state sovereignty. They only way to accomplish state sovereignty is to break out of these unions and declare your state independent of such. That is the essence of secession.
All men, women and children have an innate and natural right to self-preservation, self-defense, self-expression and self-determination, except those who would interfere with that same right of others. Through the principle of self-preservation, people have the right to exact justice on those who interfere with their rights through force or manipulation. Those who interfere with another’s liberty can by all rights, have their liberty or even their life taken from them. This is simple logic and common sense that is only refuted by criminals, tyrants, madmen and of course the Illuminati, who are all three put together.
PJ,
re. your post of December 24, 2008 at 7:10 pm .
…I can basically agree, from what I understand, with para. 2 and 3
Para. 1 makes clear your position on Jesus of Nazareth. …Your obvious (to me) lying distortion of who I am, what I love, believe and stand for hardly breeds confidence in your conclusions re. others of here and now, let alone those of far less aquaintance , such as Jesus of Nazareth.
In your quest for Ron Paul’s position to Masonic matters your then generally sane and civil statements favorably impressed me.
Really Tim?
Tell me one thing I have lied about. I challenge you now to lay it out and prove one single “lie”. You come here now: prove to me that Jesus is, among the dozens of other mythological god-men, the supposedly “real one”. You prove to me that among all the religions and primitive cults around the world throughout all history, that this particular one that started as a small cult and grew into a gigantic hydra-headed religion with hundreds of competing sects, is the only, the “One True Religion” of them all and that everybody else from the beginning of time was and is doomed to eternal damnation. Baloney! I say. Religion rots your brain if you buy into it and that is what it designed to do! In addition, this religion was promoted by the elite as a way to cut off resistance to tyranny by inculcating a fatalist, world-denying belief system. That system of belief teaches you to not look for happiness in this world, but in the next, the afterlife, in a fantasy world with pearly gates, golden streets and angels strumming on harps. According to this belief system (and it is a system designed just for you), you must see this world as merely a veil of tears, a world of sorrow and evil with no way out…EXCEPT through swallowing the entire Christian ball of wax, washing it down with a bit of wine so you don’t choke on it as it goes down.
As Seneca said, fools believe it and rulers make good use of it. What do they use it for? To control people’s minds, to herd the sheep along according to a long-term business plan. Once they are done using you, then your usefulness runs out and it’s time to get rid of you. It is the same with other ideologies like Communism and Nazism. They utilize their useful idiots, and after they have served their purpose, they are purged. This is exactly what is going to be done with Christians as they introduce the new religion for the Aquarian Age. Albert Pike makes it clear also that the Christians will be pitted against the Nihilists so that they both destroy each other and leave the Luciferians to rise up and take total control as gods. They also have it set up for Islam and Zionism to destroy each other. As I said earlier, there is a spiritual impulse that is normal and human, but which is co-opted by religion, because the elite know that this part of the human mind is the most powerful and the most essential to control. The religious can’t understand what I am saying because their souls have been co-opted and controlled. The atheists can’t understand for the same reason, because atheism is in essence just another dogma with Science as the religion and scientists as the high priests. So where to go from there? That is something each individual has to find out for him or herself because the truth is not a religion, not a one-size-fits-all formula.
All you have proven to me is that, though (like all too many) you understand a part of the Conspiracy, a part of the Matrix, you remain controlled by other lies and defeatist ideas that go nowhere. You run from one side of the Matrix to the other and dare not to escape the entire thing. Then you attack those few like me who challenge the entire Matrix and seek freedom from it. That is all you are doing, to slam one aspect of the Conspiracy and cling to another part of it. An all too common response out of fear and ignorance. And my reactions to you are based on your insulting comments about my supposed pride, about me being supposedly of the Devil and that I am somehow a traitor because I want to break up “this great country”. And now you are calling me a liar too. So what do you expect me to do? Just sit here and take it from you?
Well, let me tell you. You have much to learn and unlearn. So much so that you can’t handle the truth as most cannot, due to intellectual, moral issues or due to cowardice. Maybe your moral center is somewhat okay (only you know that), but as far as your intellect and your guts are concerned, you have a long way to travel to get some grit and go for the whole truth.
if any one person would control the world, i hope it would be ron paul
If any one person would control the world, we would be in even worse shape than we are now. That is the problem. People are trained to look for savior figures instead of looking to themselves for answers.
Tell me, are you aware of how chummy Ron Paul is with Neil Cavuto, the big corrupt Neocon piglet enemy anchor at Fox? RP is a regular on that show. If Ron Paul was such a threat to the NWO, why would the big networks give him so much free airplay? If he was such a threat, how come he isn’t six feet under like the Kennedys and MLK? I think the answer lies in all the connections he has to the Masons and Knights as I have amply proven above.
Read: The Secret Founding of America by Nicholas Hagger.
By the way, do any of you subscribe to Joel Skousen?
What do you think of Chuck Baldwin?
On Joel Skousen’s Uncle Cleon:
Dr. W. Cleon Skousen – CNP Board of Governors (1982). [Mormon] President of the Freeman Institute, former FBI agent and Police Chief of Salt Lake City, Utah, and associated with the America Committee to Free Cuba and Americans for Law and Order. [Miller 7] Descendant of Freemason/Illuminist Benjamin Franklin.
“Mr. Skousen was the former head of the F.B.I. and Founder and President of the Freeman Foundation which was founded in 1971, He also joined the faculty of the Brigham Young University.”Skousen was directed to start the Institute by former President of the Mormon Church, David O. McKay. In 1989 the name was changed to the National Center for Constitutional Studies. The goal is to bring in the religious and political kingdom of God under the Mormon prophet.”3 Skousen spoke at the “God and Freedom Banquet” which was held in honor of Sun Myung Moom to welcome him home from prison. Cleon Skousen spoke very highly of Moon and said that God had sent “Rev.” Moon to our country with a revelation and a message.
“The Mormon/moonie coalition involves the Freeman Institute’s cooperation in a new global anticommunist crusade with CAUSA International, a Moonie front organization. Also involved in CAUSA are members of CARP (another of Moon’s dozens of front groups), whose business cards read ‘Pioneering New Leadership for the New Age.’ The Mormon Church has a great deal in common with the Unification Church.” 4
“CAUSA is of particular interest because its amazing ecumenism has brought together Moonies, Mormons, top military, scientific, and political figures, and the Christian Right in close cooperation to fight ‘Communism.’ Accompanied by leaders from his Freeman Institute, Dr. Skousen has been prominent at CAUSA Conferences. So have well-known anticommunist crusaders. How can Mormons, Moonies and Christians realisitcally work together? The Unification Church hopes to install Sun Myung Moon as world ruler; the Mormon Church holds the same ambition for its ‘Prophet, Seer and Revelator’; and Christians await the return of Jesus Christ to establish His kingdom.”5
“Much like Joseph Smith, Sun Myung Moon claims to have visited by angels, Moses, Buddha and Jesus. Jesus allegdly gave Moon at age 16 the same assignment that Joseph Smith’s ‘God’ from Kolob had already given him at the same age: to ‘restore’ true Christianity, beginning in the United States, and eventually to take over the entire world. Although the main characters are different, the basic Unification Church scenario, including blind obedience by members is much the same as Mormonism’s. Reminiscent of Joseph Smith, Sun Myung Moon says: ‘I am your brain. Every people or every organization that goes against the Unification Church will gradually come down and die.'” 6 [Burns 85-6]
http://watch.pair.com/database2.html
On Joel Skousen:
Is the “Remnant Saints Inter-Continental Congress” a front group, or cell of the John Birch Society, which apparently is a zionist smokescreen, which was founded by Sterling D. Allan, and others, such as Joel Skousen, “darling” of the JBS, and mormon.
http://100777.com/node/1560
Alex Jones is affiliated with the Skousen’s of Brigham Young (Masonic/Mormom) University, who also endorsed Ron Paul.
Jones was made an honoroury member of the Skousen’s ‘Remnant Saints’ organisation.
http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html
Is the “Remnant Saints Inter-Continental Congress” a front group, or cell of the John Birch Society, which apparently is a zionist smokescreen, which was founded by Sterling D. Allan, and others, such as Joel Skousen, “darling” of the JBS, and mormons?
These “defenders of the Constitution” (the ‘usual suspects’) are all interconnected…
You would think that Jones, long time “conspiracy theorist” and exposer of the evil “Luciferian Globalists” would be aware of this.
http://www.truthforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=594
On Chuck Baldwin:
Dr. Chuck Baldwin
http://baldwin08.com/Chuck-Baldwin.cfm
Biographical Profile
Chuck graduated from La Porte High School in 1971 and attended Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, Michigan for two years. After he and Connie married and upon graduation they moved to Lynchburg, Virginia where he enrolled in Liberty Bible Institute at Liberty University. Since he earned his Bachelor and Master Degrees in Theology, Chuck has received two honorary Doctorate Degrees.
Chuck is a founder and minister at the Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, FL. Under his leadership the Church was recognized by President Ronald Reagan (SMOM, Freemason, Bohemian Grove). Many conservative political and values leaders have spoken in his church including Patrick J. Buchannan (SMOM, CIA), Pueblo Intelligence Officer Lt. Commander Steve Harris, Congressman Joe Scarborough and Ambassador Alan Keys (Keyes is a Catholic and is a third-degree Knight of Columbus[11][12] Keyes currently serves on the Board of Advisors for the Catholic League, a non-profit, Roman Catholic, advocacy group headed by William A. Donohue. He is also on the advisory board of Eagle Forum Keyes’ strong advocacy of Israel on his MSNBC show, in July 2002 the state of Israel awarded him a special honor “in appreciation of his journalistic endeavors and his integrity in reporting”[100] and flew him to meet Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, as well as spend four days touring Israeli military installations. Keyes was invited to continue his studies at Harvard University, where he resided at Winthrop House, and completed his B.A. degree in government affairs in 1972. During his first year of graduate school, Keyes’s roommate was Bill Kristol. In 1988, Kristol ran Keyes’ unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign in Maryland.[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winthrop_House) to name just a few.
He has had the HONOR of meeting with former Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, Sr. and Governors Bob Martinez (SMOM?), Fob James, Jr. and Jeb Bush (KOC, Skull and Bones, PNAC, . He has also been officially recognized by the Escambia County Florida Sheriff’s Department as an Honorary Deputy Sheriff. He received the “National Medal of Patriotism” award from the American Police Hall of Fame and is a volunteer chaplain at the State Prison in Century, Florida.
There is a lot more, but I invite you to do your own investigations.
Bottom line is I believe we have all been had by controlled opposition. I am not a Christian, nor have I ever pretended to be one, but one thing I am is honest. Anyone who thinks differently can go to stuff themselves.
HOW CAN I BECOME A FREEMASON
“2B1ASK1”, that’s what they say on their bumper stickers.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ei=6XaXSYzQJIm4sAOg29GAAQ&resnum=1&q=2b1ask1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Then you go into the Blue Lodge and make an oath not to reveal the secrets lest you will have your throat slit from ear to ear.
Nobody has ever been “killed” by Masons for revealing the secrets and before you bring up the Morgan affair, there is no proof that he was murdered. Why is it that some people cannot understand that Freemasonry is the aldest frateral organization in exsistance. So it goes without saying that some of their customs, ritual, whatever may have very old and archaic language in it’s writtings. If it seems to you that a disproportionate amout of powerful people have been or are members then the the slogan they use may be just that, we take good men and make them better. I know this is a futile exercise to convince you that there is nothing sinsiter going on withing Freemasonry but others may listen. If you want the real story on Masonry then go to http://www.masonicinfo.com and let the readers decide for themselves. Oh and a 33rd degree mason is no higher then a 3rd degree mason so you can drop that piece of disinformation as well.
Bull… http://www.masonicinfo.com is pure disinformation, misdirection and propaganda. Freemasonry has been in control of the US government from its inception. Freemasonry is led by the British royal family. Period.
And what about Calvi hanging from BlackFriars bridge. I suppose he just slipped and fell into a noose. Stop lying Bill and start fighting the New World Order. Or do you say that doesn’t exist either?
Don’t put it past the Illuminati to have all-along planned for a disaster where the ultimate saviour will seem deeply as if he is part of the resistance….
….look at Lincoln……
….I have one of those feelings you get when you are a truther where I believe that the GREAT DECEPTION is still yet to come…
….If Ron Paul ever makes it to president without being assassinated after Obama is ousted by the new American revolution which is inevitable then please ALL keep in mind that this is impossible without him being a shill. I’m sorry to say that but the Illuminati can knock off anyone they please whenever they want and if he goes untouched then you would be looking at the GREAT DECEPTION himself. This would be tantamount to Anti-Christ because people would back him no matter what…
Remember that in DANIEL and THE REVELATION in the holy scripture that it says the beast is ‘mortally wounded’ but yet it is ‘healed’, and then the Anti-Christ comes…
…It says he comes in peace and deceives a very many people…If Paul is a high degree mason then he is a Luciferian no matter what ANYONE says. High degree masons are masters at lying and if Paul is lying then he is much much better than Obama…
It says that the Anti-Christ is ‘more stout than his fellows’. Paul was the only Republican that took his stance….
I am a younger Mason, everyone in my family has been involved in Masonry since Masonry was in the country officially. Like the guy above my French and Scottish ancestors history reads like the DaVinci Code or some such thing….Big deal (They also had tons of money at different points, and I certainly do not.) My family members fought in the Revolution, and I and my current family tend to like Ron Paul’s ideas. However, all Masons are different. Some like the auto union, some don’t. Some really don’t like supporting Israel, some don’t like the Pope, some think the word God in the bible is synonymous with the word Reason (but that the bible only conveys that in an imperfect sort of way). Then others are Catholic, Fundamentalist, Jewish, Buddhist, and think the bible is the perfect word of God. Most of the young Masons I have met are more like the Ron Paul people, and believe in freedom and the constitution. We do not get into politics or religion during a lodge meeting, but it is OK for polite discussion while we eat. I hardly ever hear any conversation about sports.
We seem to take over the world once in a while, because of the nature of the work that goes on in Lodge. It builds character and leadership qualities. I have been to many leadership classes and the only one that was on par was coincidentally taught by a skull & bones member (just throwing that in for all you conspiracy theorists.) Both organizations have a focus on reminding you of the short time you spend here.
Anyway, yes there are many Masons that like Ron Paul, that like freedom, and that founded this country. If you like Ron Paul, freedom (including of speech and religion), the Founding Fathers of the US, history, science, math, believe in one God (even if that God is Reason), and so on… you would probably like Masonry. If you like big communist leaning governments that want to control what you do and spend you money as they see fit, then you may not like Masonry or Ron Paul. It is really simple.
You are an idiot if you believe in big grand conspiracy theories. I personally have no time for popes or kings. If you really think that they will work over the long term, then you should believe in big communist governments as well. If we were all so blessed as to be able to get a huge organization all on the same page under an umbrella organization, or single group of individuals (especially a secret organization), then couldn’t we could surely get the government right and have a successful world government.
Intelligent Ron Paul supporters, Libertarians, and Masons would not think it is possible to have such an organization or government. As for Masons, we have independent Grand Lodges in each state and country, and the local lodges don’t even think that the state lodges are efficient enough, let alone thinking of sending local funds to a national or international lodge of some sort. Even within the lodge, the Master listens to the will of the Lodge members, not the other way around. Everything about a Masonic Lodge is pure American – if there is such a thing.
“…If any one person would control the world, we would be in even worse shape than we are now. That is the problem. People are trained to look for savior figures instead of looking to themselves for answers….” – here it sounds like this person would like to receive a Masonic petition. He is instead critical of the very organization that brought him his beliefs. Also, Ron Paul didn’t do any of those money bombs, or anything much other than speak truth…it was a true ground up campaign – the way a Mason would prefer.
PJWalker911 kind of says one thing and believes another it seems. He also doesn’t know much about Masonry.
As for the New World Order and Masonry (I am in “higher” levels of various Masonic organizations, and should have the right to speak a bit on this as a Mason.) If you mean that I think man should be free to make his own choices with schools, medicine, charity, and so on. If you mean an order that brings control closer to home and the local community. If you mean a New World Order where various forms of government, money, schools, and tax systems are allowed to compete between countries and states. If you mean new order that makes a country spend what it has without borrowing and an order that says the US needs to quit policing the world. Then yes, as a Mason I believe in this New World Order. If you mean that I think the New World Order ought to be all the same and centralized like the Catholic Church, then no. No Masonic Lodge is run from the top down. The Grand Lodges at the State level are independent and the Masters of the Lodge can’t decide on anything that the Lodge will be doing. Part of the rituals even poke fun at top down leadership in a sort of tongue and cheek fashion, and it is used to show the problems with such ideas.
Jesus, Venus, and many others could go by the name Lucifer btw. It means something close to “bringer of light”. Maybe you could say PJWalker911 has attempted to become a high and mighty Lucifer by his public attacks on Masonry as an attempt to bring light on the subject. Or, PJWalker publicly announces that he is the one and only Lucifer on the Internet, and so on….
Eliot,
I agree with a lot of what you say about freedom, but I agreed with a lot of what Ron Paul says (which is the reason I once supported him) until I started actually listening to what he was saying, watching what he was doing and digging into his background, his connections, his friends and his heros like Reagan, Ayn Rand and Pope John Paul.
The basics of freedom: decentralized power in the hands of the People, free markets, unalienable rights etc are givens. Everyone in the world (in their right minds) wants freedom. Nobody really wants to be a slave (except for a some very sick or weak-minded people), but they can easily be induced into becoming slaves, and indeed most of us on this planet already are slaves because we are born into debt servitude under restricted rights and “privileges”, already owing tens of thousands if not more the moment we take our first breath. But Ron Paul’s strategy isn’t going to save us. It is a false hope because the elites, and he has to know this, will never allow him to meddle in their system as long as it is connected to the Federal government. He will never be able to break that bond. Ron Paul is holding forth an illusion for us to grasp onto that will never materialize, just keep us chasing after a carrot on a stick, forever.
People cannot make even a small dent in the New World Order that way, especially since the election process is rigged. The NWO will keep on driving over them like a freight-train leaving broken bodies in its wake. By the way, from where doth this phrase “New World Order”, that the elites (and apparently Freemasons), love so much originate? It originates from the Latin Novus Ordo Seclorum. There is no other origin. And that phrase is Masonic, being the end goal of the “Great Work”. That is why it is on the Masonic pyramid on the back of the dollar bill. Another famous phrase is “a made man”. We all know that’s a mafia man, who was “made” or initiated into the mafia by his godfather (grandmaster). Of course, that phrase is also one to mean an initiated Mason. But you already know that. Another famous Masonic phrase is “Order out of Chaos” which comes from the Latin Ordo Ab Chao. This is the problem-reaction-solution technique that has proven so useful toward getting their New World Order into place. So I don’t care how much Freemasons claim to be freedom lovers, the proof of their brazen out-an-out treason (against humanity, freedom and truth) and labrynthine treachery is in the phrases and symbols of Freemasonry for anyone to delve into. This federal government is a Masonic creation. Even the Masons will not dispute that, but we the people are never told this fundamental fact. Instead, we have to dig and dig to find the truth because it is so well hidden behind masses of smokescreens. And this Masonic government, government by Freemasons and other occultic brotherhoods like the Skull and Bones, is a secret shadow government which is a tyranny, that rapidly grew from an infant, barely able to control the people (which was good at the time), to an arrogant empire, a hideous blood-sucking monster that knows no bounds and destroys everyone in its path.
Therefore the only way out is to declare independence from it, through secession, or at least something just short of secession, not only from the Union, but from the NWO itself, from global government which is already in place. That is the only way the states can break the back of the federal monopoly on power. But Ron Paul is not suggesting this. No, he wants to keep the Union at all costs like Jackson and Lincoln and in fact Obama does. From that perspective, he is, being a 30 year career politician in the Federal Government promoted on all the major media networks (those who say he is “banned from the media” are nuts because he is on the tube every other day at least), keeping within a “safe” framework that the elites will allow him to get away with. That’s why he lies about 9/11, because it is safe to present the “blowback” scenario. He lied just the other day at the CPAC conference that bin Ladin brought down our economy, when he knows damn well it was the bankers themselves imploding it to get their global banking governance system in place. His exact words were: “He [bin Ladin] will bankrupt this country”. Bullshit! That’s like Limbaugh saying Barnie Frank brought down the economy. It is ludicrous. The power elites brought it down. That’s the truth but it won’t gain any press in the mainstream. He also pretends that we have a free press. Of course he would have to say that because he is a regular guest on Neil Cavuto, Bill Maher, Glenn Beck and a host of other news shows asking his opinions on the economy etc. But the truth is, it is controlled from the top down, just like Freemasonry is. The mainstream media is nothing but a bunch of whores for the elite spewing propaganda night and day. And that is exactly what every Freemason who ever came along to attack me has done, lied and propagandized for the elite, for the status quo, for the Masonic Matrix that we are all born into unfortunately.
Call me what you want. None of it is true. I am just an free-thinking individual speaking his mind to cyberspace with honesty and integrity. If you don’t like it, go visit the Daily Paul or his sister site The Burning Taper.
And Eliot, I have a few questions for you.
Why do all the big corporations and government agencies have Masonic mystery religion symbols in their logos that the average person has no clue about?
What do all these men have in common: Ben Franklin, Hell Fire member and World Federalist. Andrew Jackson, who said the Union is the “Supreme Law” (I thought freedom was supreme) and immediately attacked anyone who even thought about secession. Albert Pike, who saluted Lucifer as you do. Giuseppe Mazzini who set up the Mafia. Winston Churchill, Druid Knight of the Garter, who conspired with Wilson to bring the Lusitania into harms way, thus sparking the pretext for America’s entry into WWI. FDR, who introduced socialism, put the Novus Ordo Seclorum on the dollar bill and conspired with Churchill to bring America into WWII by provoking Japan. Harry Truman, who dropped the Bomb, oversaw the creation of the UN, got us into an unwinnable UN-sponsored police action, and created the CIA (which is a white-collar criminal/terrorist organization of the bankers). Marx. Engels. Lenin. Trotsky. Stalin. That’s enough. Now your answer…
One more thing: What would you do if you met the Duke of Kent? Would you give him your masonic grip brother to brother?
I’m waiting for your answers Eliot…..*foot tapping…tap-tap-tap…*
hi i have been learning about conspiracies for about 6 years strong.
it jsut confirms my faith in christ to learn that these conspirators are satan worshipers and follow integrisly the old babylon religion
what does this have to do with ron paul and the new world order, well literally everything
those of you who say you are christians and say we need to show love and support ron paul are decieved.
didnt jesus say if my kingdom was of this world my servants would fight. no, his kingodm is not of this world, a true christian is a pilgrim and a stranger in this world trying to give people faith in jesus, so they can inter into his kingdom.
i am a patriot to this country only because of its religious freedoms, so i can worship as i choose and follow the dictates of my own conscience.
this is freedom and true liberty. i have the right to criticize and be criticize. how else will i learn the truth. how else can i discern they who love the truth and they who do not. thats why i love this country because men and women can learn as they please , worship as they please , or not worship at all. this goes to back to the bible in romans where paul say that if a man eats not, let not the man who eats condemn him, and if a man eats, let not him that eats not condemn him either. for he that eats, eats unto the lord and him that eats not, eats not unto the lord. let everyone be persuaded in his own mind.
wow, thats freedom! thats the doctrine of freedom. i feel for pj and do not condemn him for having no beilief. how can a man believe or promote a diety or doctrine he does not understand yet or does not agree with. after all faith is a belief based on what you know from history, to determine the future. is it not?
im glad many of you are bringing the pope, knights of malta/ templars, and freemasons into this.
it is ovious through there symbols their traditions go back to babylon and, anyone who does a good study in the history and doctrines of these institutions, know that they are the babylon religions of our day. they just have new names, new rulers, and many branches. because of the monopoly they have over our monetary system, they control everything, and do charities as well. this way they will have no opposition. it amazes me that people will still have the love and heart to still speak truth to his neighbor. this is amazing, and shows me there are still people with love and good intentions in this country. thats awsome.
after all isnt this the way jesus showed loved. he spoke to us the truth, even though it got him killed. he gave us hope for the future, faith in his redemptive works that we may have eternal life after we die (we dont really die those that have faith in him).
yea to tell the truth is love, even if it means stepping on many toes. jesus said we will be hated by all men for his names sake, adn all those who live godly will suffer persicution.
perhaps this is so, so we will know that there is no one more greater to rule and more righteous than our lord jesus christ.
conspiracies are true and have alwaysed been around. nothing happens that isnt well planed to be well executed.
the only resons nations became free and prosperous were because men told their evil religious rulers, we will not follow you nor trust you, we will follow our own god, according to his word and the dictates of our own consciences.
yea since then germany through the protestant reformation developed a middle class and prospered both in knowleged and technology, then europe, then western america. all this happened because men courageously got smart and brave and told their popes, you are evil and you uphold the truth in unrighteousness. we do not need you…
all was wonderfull in faith, to do that does take sacrifice of your life, and that is scary. for some reason those reformers where not totally scared perhaps it was their genuine faith in god and their eternal saviour jesus. they did not know they would have such an impact on the world. they just knew it was right, to stand up for truth, resist lies and not follow ungodly liers (masons, catholic priest, jesuit order, light bearers for lucifer {illuminati, wiccans}, and their smaller branches, oh cant forget the charismatic movement {christian witchcraft movement})
these guys care not for freedom as much they do not care for our souls.
if they did, they would in no wise be men pleasers, they would be god pleasers. even if it meant no support, no love from the world, and no love from government (nwo).
if these men truly loved jesus they would say to live is christ, and to die is gain. and they would do it. they would die for jesus and his gospel so that a few may be saved. this is the truth, this is what it means to be a christian.
if you guys were truly christians you would preach that, you who say you read the bible… yeah if you really read the bible you would say put not your trust in men in whom there is no salvation, neither the son of men in whom there is no help. we will preach truth, and only speak of salvation in christ and not men. (like ron paul). i think its important to study conspiracies, how wlse will you look at both sides of the story. isnt it obvious this country is full of lies and hipocrites. everyone lies or are made to lie to earn a buck. this is sad, but its the god honest truth, im not going to support a man who i do not know, and doesnt address the real enemy of americans (the vatican and allies).
yea i gave to ron pauls campaign because i was seriously concerned for my nation and future. i figured if people supported this guy, there might be enough good people left to have a nation that believe in freedom of conscience and honest business. im not saying ron paul is bad or a decoy, but he might be. isnt ron paul running for president so i can test that motive as well as every motive.
yea i have the right to test every motive, as well as be tested. so no ron paul supporter should say we should not examine this man. after all isnt that the reason your supporting him, so we can have that freedom to test our leaders, and have them prove themselves…?
i hope this helps to find freedom and keep it with all we have. so yeah ron paul prove your self. are you or are you not a mason and if so what degree are you. If he does research freemasonry since hes a big reasearch guy, and appose it, well i dont know what else to say about him, other than hes a freemason, and the freemasons will do as the freemasons will do. they will bring about another babylon empire and the horrors that go with it. thank god for salvation!
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Was a disappointment. I am truely disgusted. RP sure puts on a good act. He’ll be burning in the Lake of fire along with the rest of the Satan worshipers. On a different nore, research “Project Blue Beam”. It might save your soul if you’re a Christian.
Don’t be too quick to judge one way or the other. Get the facts first, and it would also be a good idea to ask Dr Paul to explain this himself. Every person has a right to defend himself in a court of law; shouldn’t it be the same now, before we become his judge, jury, and executioner? Stay objective until all the evidence and facts are in. Find out the truth before you jump to emotionally based decisions. Emotional decisions will always lead you wrong.
I like what this man had to say:
Synkronos // April 23, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I am from Texas and can personally tell you that masonry is everywhere but the fact of the matter is Ron Paul is our only political hope and even worse is that ALL of our parents were responsible for the mess we are in by either being a complacent mason, ignorant mason, complacent citizen or ignorant citizen. the only way to tell if a tree is good is to sample its fruit and Ron Paul’s fruit is pure and nutritious
Testing the fruit is a good rule of thumb, but since this issue has come up, Dr. Paul needs to clarify his stance. If he did get into Freemasonry at some point in his life, then it’s time he should denounce it, or explain otherwise.
Don’t take every allegation to heart too quickly and don’t believe every rumor until you test it out. For all we know, the photo could have been photo-shopped. And if not, we don’t know the circumstance surrounding when it was taken. Could it be that someone is trying to discredit him and destroy the only person we have working for us in Congress? Consider all the angles.
That’s the difference between wise or foolish.
1ST of all, if I decided i wanted to be a successful politician i’d probably attempt to “join” at LEAST Freemasonry. Its a smart move.
2ND of all, I have Freemasonry on both sides of my family, as well as some friends that are Freemasons. I still try to wake them up to the truth about the Masonic order but its generally inaffective. Why? Because to anyone under about 30 degrees (and higher) NO evidence of what we know to be the dirty truth is seen! They have upwards of 70 degrees, MOST Freemasons are unaware of even THAT! Most of them are just regular sheeple that think they’re involved in some sort of special elite charity organisation, and they really belive that they are doing good things in the world and their communities. Plus not just anyone gets to reach the higher steps on the ladder. Those that do are ussually either of a preestablished Illuminist “family” or show some kind of special promise in areas of “sorcery” and the like. Ron Paul is not one of those people. If he is/was in the Freemasons, he’s an “outside ring” guy, one of the many unwitting poster children for the Masons. One of the ones like my friends, that only get to see a certain portion of the Order’s practices, and will NEVER be shown the core.
Also, WTF ppl, he didn’t build the University’s auditorium walls!
First of all, how can ANYONE continue to ignore the fact that the Novus Ordo Seclorum, that we freedom fighters are against, is rooted in Freemasonry’s attempt to set up a global order and totally reconfigure mankind into a “posthuman” future of global government, drastically reduced freedoms, transhumanist social engineering, in short, the total transformation of society into a scientific dictatorship? Second of all, why would anyone in their right mind associate themselves with this!? Let alone someone who claims to be pro-freedom…No one, who is really straight, who is really honest, who gives a damn, who really has a moral compass would come within a hundred yards of Freemasonry, but here is Ron Paul’s wife a member of Eastern Star, himself attending “many meetings” in the lodges, his daughters members of Rainbow girls, etc etc. That is why I have always questioned his sincerity but there are plenty of other reasons which I have already covered ad nauseum. Now, here he is coming out in favor of secession. This is after I have long offered secession as the only legit way to foil the federal government since the concept of “restore the republic” is nothing but a waste of time and energy. It will NEVER happen the way the Campaingn for Liberty people say it can, and it is nothing but a big distraction. So now I have to question why Ron Paul is coming out for secession. This after several Paulites claimed I am evil because I believed it was the only way out of the Masonic Novus Ordo Seclorum. When I say secession is legit, I’m bad, but when Ron Paul says it’s legit, he’s good? Is that how it works? Oh that’s just dandy.
I have a rather loaded comment, but if someone knows bits and pieces of the knowledge I seek, that would be great.
Can someone tell me what they think of Alex Jones, Webster Tarpley, and the Bildeberge group hunters, and if they are legit? Also there is this Zeitguiest movement which I think is backed by Jacques Fresco, the futurist designer.
All of it had a significant affect on me recently, and I haven’t been sure how to deal with it. What they say seems to be very true fundamentally; but, they don’t seem to have any agenda other than stirring up fear and excitement or promoting Ron Paul. These alternative media sites are strewn with advertisements about “protecting your self from violence” and “purchasing gold”, which seems devised to strike a panic.
Recently I’ve read of the Illuminati and the “blood lines”, which Alex Jones never speaks of, but instead calls them “bildabergers”, a.k.a. the Fed bank, Bank of England, and their cartel banks.
Lastly, I don’t know which media source to trust among alternative media. Doesn’t the Fed bank own everything? Who’s to say Jones isn’t serving the Cult alliance you speak of…
I’m even skeptical of our “founding fathers” and what it is they truly had in store for the people of this nation and the world.
One last thing: Ron Paul, in his book, tells his readers to read Von Mises’s Human action, and Murray Rothbard’s books as well. These were the books that Ayn Rand would tell her readers to study as well, though Paul and Rand differ in philosophy on some fundamental levels dealing with regulating the private federal reserve bank, though they both agree on a gold standard in their writings.
How is it possible that Ayn Rand promoted Laissez-faire capitalism but never knew of the scheming oligarchs behind the capital, and failed to tell people of the true machinations of power? I know not who to trust, but I have always felt Rand to have the greatest philosophy for freedom in the modern era.
Thanks so much everyone.
Steve
SJ86,
I think you are capable of answering your own questions. Just trust you instincts. My own opinion is that the Jones/Tarpley/Paul nexus is controlled opposition. I can go into all the reasons for this, but it would take up about fifteen pages and I don’t have time fot that right now. Zeitgeist is obviously a sustainability cult. It’s agendas are in line with the UN, socialism, the Green agenda and the elite fabian masters behind the scenes. The illuminati is the illuminati, ie the aristocratic family bloodlines. People who use only terms like “globalist” are misdirecting.
Don’t trust anyone but your closest friends and loved ones and of course your own gut instincts. Everything else treat with vigilance. Read all news and opinion with vigilance and think it through for yourself.
I believe most of the founding fathers were in on the “agenda”, one that goes way back to antiquity. Let’s face it. America was conceived by the elite Rosicrucians like Francis Bacon who was King James’ man for handing out land grants in the New World (“New World Order”). These Rosicrucian masters of reality formed the Royal Society (Society of Royals) and already knew all the technological advancements that would come, knew all the ins and outs of geopolitics how the New World Order would go because this is a very long range plan. Then the heirs of Rosicrucianism, the Freemasons, like Washington and Franklin, would also be privy to the Plan. Washington DC well laid out in a Kabbalistic “Tree of Life” and numerous other occult symbols, the meaning of which not to be passed onto the the “profane” commoners, ie the dumbed down masses of Americans who have only been here as cannon fodder and useful idiots.
Then Ron Paul writes a “manifesto”. Check into who else uses that term.
Ayn Rand was in the Rothschild circle. Check into it.
I feel like a blind squirrel trying to find a nut. I just recently began to research the new world order, and this whole Vatican/Jesuit thing has COMPLETELY thrown me for a loop. I thought that I had it mostly figured out, until I noticed that Alex Jones (probably the most prominent Ron Paul supporter) never seems to talk much about Freemasonry.
I am going to play devil’s advocate here.
1. If the Vatican is behind the NWO, then it would be safe to assume that it is also behind the eugenics programs, vaccinations, forced sterilization, and the destruction of the family unit. Then why is the Vatican’s “official” policy one of anti-birth control, anti-divorce, and anti-abortion?
2. Do the elite illuminati families control the Vatican or is it vice versa? It would make more sense to me that the ultimate source of the NWO are elite families who wish to continually pass down power through generations. Without the FAMILY factor, why would said eugenecist care what the world were to look like after he were dead?
3. Is it possible that there are two factions of the NWO vying for control? Is it maybe that the Fabian Society is locked in a struggle with the Masonic/Jesuit orders, and that Alex Jones (Jesuit) and the like are stirring the pot in order to provoke a revolution to wrestle control from the Fabians?
When trying to figure this out, I feel like a dog running around in circles chasing its tail. It’s almost enough to make me give up and go back to football, beer, and potato chips.
Dude,
Though we are trained to believe Republicans and Democrats have separate agendas, the truth is that the party leaders work together like Good Cop/Bad Cop for the very same agenda to subvert our freedoms. Once you understand this, it is no great leap to see that the Vatican and the Masons also work together for the same agenda of global government. One giveaway is the glaring fact that both the Catholic (such as SMOM) and the Masonic (such as Rotary etc) charities are strictly allied to and part of the overall United Nations agenda. (The UN’s symbols are very masonic as well.) You can look through their sites and see for yourself. You will note that JBS is packed with Masons and Knights of the Papal Orders. You will also note that the Pope blessed the UN flag and calls for the implementation of UN agendas. You will also note the tie-in with Zionism, the ancient “mysteries” and so on. You will note that Ron Paul is a fan of the Vatican and that Alex Jones is very clever at avoiding condemnation of the Catholic church and especially the Jesuits and SMOM. He stays far aways from it. The Nazis were mostly Catholic. Their leaders were Papal Knights and formed the notorious Concordat with the Vatican through Franz von Papen. The Illuminati is comprised of royalty, Freemasons, Papal Knights, Zionists, Jewish banking families, Communists, Fabians, Fascists, all playing their specific specialized roles like cogs in a machine (see the Rotary symbol) a vast all-encompassing machine some call The Matrix into which we are all born into by no fault or choice of our own.
Cut through all the BS and see that they all work together for the same agenda at the top as Carol Quigley admitted.
I’ve been reading your articles and comments for a couple months now and I must say it’s a pleasure to always see you cut through all the BS like butter. You use bold, unrestrained thinking, ‘reinen vernunft’, and that is very rare nowadays, in the ‘real world’ anyway. For years I’ve been trying to apply the same ‘way’ (the only way) in regards to my so-called progressive friends, to little or no avail. Acknowledging something as obvious and damning as the 100 mile intervals in between every major ‘incident’
along the flightpaths of the 911 flights, is just too
much for these sissies (they know I call them that). Same goes for virtually any other little known factual detail of any other major issue. All have had higher education, some even got PHD’s, and these guys are still stuck as ever in the Flemish mud.
What bothers me is that after all this time they haven’t even gained the slightest interest to find out more for themselves. Why do they remain so scared or, as they would love to have me believe from their respective salt pillars, ‘skeptical’?
Greetings from Belgium, failed western state, pedophile paradise, archetype example of scandal politics, home of the über-educated(?) über-gullible, a sick fucking joke.
Keep going.
Tony,
..bold, unrestrained thinking, ‘reinen vernunft’…I’ll have to remember that. It does take some boldness if you want to stand up to a millenia-old power structure and all the lies that surround and support it. Unrestrained, yes, to have a no-holds-barred attitude, to not pull any punches and to go balls to the wall for the truth come hell or high water, praise or blame, etc. Thinking…then thinking itself seems to be a dying art, the ability to analyze the situation objectively, carefully and honestly. Objective thought…It is a moral imperative…if not, then don’t say you are moral. I just wish the liars, the immoral jerks would just admit what they are. Then I will respect them more.
Honesty mixed with a bit of outrage is all it takes, well, that and some knowledge too because it does no good to speak if a person doesn’t know what they are talking about. Better to remain quiet until sufficient facts are in on a subject.
People who just can’t seem to “get it” (re: the New World Order conspiracy) fall into three main categories: the ignorant, the corrupt and the cowards. The ignorant fall into two categories: the merely ignorant or dumbed down and the lost-causes or what I like to call “pod-people” who are so thoroughly brainwashed as to be functionally zombies. The latter cannot be reached, so don’t waste your breath on them. The corrupt fall into two categories: the low-brow and the high-brow, or the blue-collar (or street-level) and the white collar (or boardroom level) and you can look at corruption on a sliding scale from merely dirty to downright diabolical, the worst of these being the high technocrats, aristocratic bloodlines, banking families and assorted psychopathic power-mongers, ie the real rulers behind the facade of “democracy”. The cowards also fall into two categories: the ‘not-ready-for-this-quite-yet’ group and the true cowards who run from any sort of trouble and always will.
Unfortunately, most people fall into one of these categories, but it still leaves room for some hope. Educate the merely ignorant, expose the corrupt and either shame them into doing atoning for their sin or serve them justice, and then, give those who are not quite ready for reality a chance to adjust to it. Pride and arrogance figure into all this somewhere too. People can be so proud that they can’t (at least temporarily) hear the truth because it would hurt their egos to recognize the fact they have been suckers all along. And arrogance, true arrogance figures in being a part of corruption, the expression of it, hence the corrupt and evil tend to be haughty.
I guess you could add another category of insanity to the mix with a sliding scale from merely nuts to pathological, but basically as I see it, you have to be crazy to want to live in ignorance, in illusion, or to be corrupt and evil and to hide from truth putting one’s head in the sand. It is all sick, sick, sick and disgusting to any half-way healthy mind.
the bible clearly says it. the entire world is in the hands of the unfaithfull. ron paul is just like the other part of the nwo. he is a mason for sure. the so called great things and his fight for justice and truth are just to get the truthseekers behind him. they want to controll everything and they place people in every section. ron paul just tells us what we want to hear. it doenst harm the nwo because it is mainly aimed at the truthseekers and people already consider us to be nuts… so they dont give much attention to ron paul. the people that do are the ones they want to control because we are dangerous to the nwo. ron paul and alex jones etc are just there to become our leaders so that we still follow the wicked ways of the masons. they feed us what they want to feed us so that we keep running far behind what is realy going on. guys dont ignore the facts! !! they best way to infiltrate a group is to start on yourself or make sure you will be in the highest cirle of it…. how do you make sure you are at the top? just say what people want to hear! this is what ron paul does. he wants to be the face of the patriots just like alex jones wants to be the face of the truthseekers. they are all disinfo agents/ puppets and they will deceive lots of us. the moment paul gets more power he will drop what he was fighting for guys. look at obama! if you can see how obama says one thing and does the other then why cant you see that other people can do the exact same thing? i dont get it. if i want to infiltrate lets say the kkk…. wouldnt it be samrt to make sure that people know you as being racist? what would be the best way to do that? make sure that you have a history of being a racist…. and not just for a few months… make sure you have a history that goes back years and years. this is the same with ron paul. he builds up a reputation in the patriot world just to make sure that when the time is right people will blindly follow him. thats how the nwo does things people! they take their time and plan things for years. they want shills in every section… just so they can control what is going on. dont follow anybody! they only want to lead because they want power. follow your own mind and heart and only accept leadership from god. do what is right and fight against whats wrong. and right now its the leadership in this world and it will not change if we just simply vote for the lesser of evils. we need to stand up and change things throw out all those corrupt people and choose people that we trust(and those people mostly would be people who will not say it themselves… they probably wont step forward without being pushed… because they dont want power) those are great leaders. fuck this system! we need to start from scratch and talking wont do it. the world is a fucked up place and i am trying to avoid it as much as i can. i live my life according to the word of god and i will fight the nwo when the times comes. till then i just drop off the grid. let the nwo do what they want to do. we cannot stop it without a war and i for one dont want to start it. i will defend myself and fight against them if it comes to a war but i will not start it. and well talking and protesting wont do us any good because they control it all… soooooooooo……. we are fucked anyways. people wont stand up so we will never have enough people to fight the nwo plans for ourselves. its like the bibles tells us…. the fight can only be won if we get help from jesus and god otherwise we will never be able to even dent their plans simply because they have control over everything. if we manage to get some sort of movement in the government and get things on paper it will simply be overruled and thrown out guys. if we wanted to change things we should have done it several hundred years ago. they have too much power now …. and also we are living in the endtimes… just read what will come. it is predicted and will not be stopped. there will be a fight and good will prevale but first the mess will get a lot bigger. just prepare and be ready to fight the real fight. and dont vote because eighter way they will win. use your time for important things
sorry for the typos and the babbling. im not from the u.s or u.k so english isnt my first language. also its 0.43 am .
but again ron paul is just like the others! a tool for the nwo. he’s a mason for sure and he supports the nwo agenda.
who can tell me what the masons truly believe in? What do their ancient esoteric principles lead them to try to achieve? Are they a force for good or evil? Are they a cohesive group with one aim or do we find power struggles even within the top circles, each vying for their own version of ‘utopia’? I don’t think anyone of us can answer these questions. We vilify the masons without truly understanding their aims or organization. Globalization is accelerating and we are heading towards a unified world. An overarching world government is inevitable sooner or later. The question to me is how will it be structured. How much local power and freedom will we have? This is much more than a struggle for power. This is about the future of humanity where global consciousness and communal spirituality will be taking center stage. We are nearing the end of the egocentric age of self and closing in on the birth of the worldcentric age of enlightenment. Where the freemasons stand in all this is anybody’s guess. But do they know about it? I would place all my bets on it!
The founding fathers were Masons. The Mason thing gets blown out of proportion. Do you see the Jewish Federal Reserve crowd or the CFR at Masons gatherings, NO!
T Bob…..Another either victim of confusion agents, or a confusion agent himself…
True, America was founded and built up by Freemasons as the Rosicrucian New Atlantis and is inherently bound up in the Masonic Matrix with masonic symbolism permeating every institution, and yet the general public remains totally ignorant of this fact and that is on purpose of course. This has never been explained to the dumbed-down public by either the media, the religions or the educational system for the simple reason that the Brotherhood controls them all and they don’t want to wake the children from their deep slumber. Best not to let them know such things because after all, they might start getting suspicious. (now as you read on, understand that by “brotherhood”, I am not just talking about Freemasonry proper, but an overarching “Masonic” brotherhood that includes but goes beyond Freemasonry).
It is much easier to blame the New World Order on the Jews and the Federal Reserve. That way, those children who are suspicious, can simplistically focus their hatred on a single racial group, the one that has been blamed for everything since at least Roman times. (Not to protect them from criticism, but just to put things in perspective.) Very convenient and useful to the Freemasons who laugh at such people, since their occult religion arises in part from the Kabbalah and it’s mythology is based around Solomon’s Temple. Truth be told (imagine that!), there are Jews, Anglos, Arabs, Asians and every other race involved, and of course, every religion is represented because they all arise from the same occult source in ancient times for the purpose of social control. And yes, here is the deal: Zionists, Masons, Papal Knights, Royal Knights, Nazis, Commies, CFR members, Bilderbergers, etc, etc all work together for the New World Order at the top of the pyramid. These are the forces behind it, not one single group as some try to tell us.
So what I am getting at here is that it isn’t just Freemasons proper, but at the root of it, this occultic, elitist, aristocratic mindset that is in control may be loosely termed the “Masonic Matrix” in terms of looking at it as the matrix of esoteric “mysteries” that controlled the ancient world and still do today. This is inclusive of Freemasonry, but not exclusively Freemasonic per se, since the Masonic Temples that a minority of the public is vaguely familiar with only represents the outer portico of “porch masons”, ie the Blue Lodge. It includes Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Fabian Socialism, B’nai Bri’th, Papal Orders, Jesuits (look into “IHS” for example as the anagram for Dionysus, the Sun God, for example), Royal Orders and of course all the hundreds of globalist institutions, foundations, NGOs, think-tanks etc etc. You can of course see the occultic symbolism in all of their logos again harkening back to the “mysteries”.
Remember that “Masonry” refers to the “Builders”, exoterically, the builders of the grand cathedrals and other imperial institutional buildings going back through the Roman Empire, through the Levant into Egypt and Babylon. (You also see the connections to the Knights Tmeplar and other Papal Orders, so there is a deep connection with the Vatican despite confusionist propaganda to the contrary). Then esoterically it refers to those who control society, steer it, build it, engineer it and order it and this is all done behind the scenes, in secret so that the general public don’t know what is being put upon them. They are just urged to follow along. It is bigger than Freemasonry proper and can be seen in the symbols of Fabianism for example. I could go on, but hopefully the intelligent who read this can get the gist of it. Hope that is clear enough to people.
Thank you and good night…
What do you have to say about Thomas Paine ?
Sons of Liberty ?
Bill Cooper ?
Jeff Rense ?
If your time is short, just run with Paine, as he is of particular interest to me.
Cheers.
Though it is claimed he was not a Mason, Paine certainly wrote and expounded on Freemasonry as a scholar of it, far more knowledgable than most masons of the time, and was involved with other Freemasons both in the American Revolution and in the French Revolution. Alan Watt calls him a “professional revolutionary”, hinting that he was trained and set up by the elite for that function.
Bill Cooper, a believing Christian, an honest man who paid for telling the truth as it was. He was committed to overthrowing the NWO by any means necessary, and he knew if you tell the truth, you will piss off just about everybody. He was not afraid of offending people whether they be called Christians, Patriots, or whatever as he spoke the truth as purely and objectively as he could see it. He was one of the first to point out the Vatican aspect and accused Alex Jones of scaremongering psyops.
Jeff Rense… I don’t trust him.
It’s pretty simple, if Ron Paul is into Freemasonry
he cannot be trusted and has to go. It breaks my heart, but its true he is a Freemason and we have to come to grips with that fact. It is not a matter of how much belief we have invested in him, but instead it’s a matter of life and death. Cause there is a evil CABAL out to enslave the ones of us they don’t or can’t KILL.
And YES that makes him the controlled opposition.
Know your history, that’s one of the tools used over and over, especially when the heat is on.
Anyone in any secret group is not to be trusted, period. In 2010, every congressman and the senate seat that are up, must be replaced. If that crew dosen’t speak up and convict the criminals then 2012 we do the same thing, throw all out with no exception. The same model must be used in state and local offices as well. Figure it out, the down fall of America has been going on for about 100 years, assisted by career politicians and civil servants. Cut their time at the controls till they are purged, this is a long term strategy. The calvary is not going to show up at the 29th minute, this is real life and we have to set up a strategy that ensures the safety of our children which they can follow when in doubt. I think that is our problem, it has gotten so far down the road, we now are going around the bend staring in amazement at the end game before us. On the other side, the evil cabal finally has its generational master goal in view and is pulling out all the stops for the final kick and sprint down this final lap. Its a true death match.
So hey we get fooled, recognize it and correct it, it is not the time to become entrenched in any movement nor personailty. A true patriot even if by no fault of his own hindered us, he or she should disengage themself.
Northpal,
I am sorry to disillusion you further, but as of now, there is absolutely nobody in the Federal Government that can be trusted. The whole thing is one gigantic, corrupt, rigged game, a Masonic game in fact from the start. See the layout of DC. See the Washington Masonic Memorial, and the Washington Monument. See the statue of Washington sitting in the form of the Goat of Mendes. See the prominent statue of Albert Pike, the “Pope of Freemasonry” who set in motion a plan to set up three world wars culminating in the New World Order. See the fascis on either side of the podium in the House. See the Lincoln Memorial where he sits in the throne of Jupiter, holding two fascis. The dumbed down idiot Americans who look at these things have not the slightest clue as to what they signify, just “Oooh look honey, take my picture. Is my hair okay?”
If trust is what you desire, then you are far more likely to find it in your local and state governments, but we are born into a Masonic Matrix system that we were NEVER, EVER told about in school, and that is for damn good reason because to know the truth you either have to be initiated into it or you have to dig for it yourself with diligence because NOBODY in education, media or especially the Government is ever going to tell you about it. That is because we do not live in a free society, but one controlled from the top down by a secret cabal of orders, fraternities and other societies whose agenda is totalitarian, and is running on schedule for their New World Order.
Do not let anybody fool you into thinking you can just vote the bad guys out because it will never happen, never did in the past and never will in future….unless…people withdraw from the whole system, boycott it. We do not live in a “nation” called America. We live in a collectivist federation of nation states, an American Union not unlike the European Union. I know that is hard to swallow, but it is the truth hidden under all the propaganda and spin we are fed since childhood.
So nobody is ever going to punish any of them, not in the federal system. They all have a get out of jail free card because they agree to cover each other’s asses as is the name of the game in Freemasonry. Yes, you have a much better chance of real enforcement of laws at the local and state levels, which is another reason to withdraw from the federal system. It is the only doable course of action because reforming the federal government is way beyond the capacity of the people. It isn’t meant to be reformed anyway because everything is going exactly as planned for them.
Secession is the only thing close to being a solution, one that can give one’s children chance of a future, because if the federal government has its way, most of us will be killed off through vaccinations, GM crops and other methods.
pjwalker911
You have no argument here.
You can go a step further and untangle ourselves even further. Reclaim our freeman of the land status and actually seperate. It is being done in British Columbia, Canada website http://www.thinkfree.ca.
It is a seemingly confusing topic, but that only reflects how entangled and interwoven is this matrix web.
You start to understand why the Feds had to take over the education system, and now most of us are truly illiterate in this arena.
Anyway, everybody keep up the dialog, we all have something to learn from each other.
Cause you sure as hell won’t get it from THEM.
Right you are Northpal. Secession begins at home. I am also for independence of the Canadian provinces where there are some lively secession movements. The only way to defeat the NWO is to break it up into smaller more manageable pieces that ordinary people can take back control over. That requires that we get rid of federalism and simply agree to live in harmony side by side, as independent nations. The more you dissolve borders, the more you require centralized authority, the farther away the power centers get from the ordinary person, but the elite know that dirty little secret and have always set up federations and empires with city-state capitals (Rome, London, DC, Brussels, etc or Ottawa for that matter, sure there is some masonic architecture there too) to do away with the “problem” of local control.
Remember, nothing secedes like secession.
The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it.
J.F.K
Land of th FREE HA HA :)
It never was “free”. Everything we were taught in school was propaganda, playing on the human spirit’s natural desire for freedom. America, and its people, resources, etc, was used as a staging area from the beginning by the British Empire, for greater things to come, to be the spearhead of the NWO and then be dissolved back into it, exactly what we see unfolding now.
Google: Rosicrucian Enlightenment, New Atlantis, Elizabeth with John Dee and Francis Bacon, Venetian Guelph, United States is Still a British Colony, George Washington Masonic Memorial and just dig into it because the NWO was being set up long before America was colonized.
Wow! I have been thinking about this very thing for a long time since I read that Mr. Paul was a Mason, his wife Eastern Star and his daughters Rainbow Girls.
I have always loved Ron Paul even when I read about that. He just seems like an exceedingly kind and humble man with an astounding amount of charisma and wisdom. Not to mention doing all that he is doing at his age — WOW!
I just ran into this blog by “accident” while researching another topic! This is my very first time to comment on a blog. I am just so appreciative of all of your thoughts and views that I thought I would also take the time to comment. What a surprise and pleasure to have so many other people discussing the very thing that I had been wanting to find out for so long! What a treat to find so many different responses to read! Thank you all for your input!
I read that information about Mr. Paul almost a year ago and then — no more information! I was left suspended in mid-air. Nothing was never mentioned again. Of course, that left me with a huge bit of uneasiness that couldn’t be put to rest until I knew the answer. I would try to forget about it, saying that he is doing such a wonderful work, maybe he is just an average member who is not well informed. He is doing a fine job and is giving good leadership that we haven’t seen in a long time. But, as the months went on, that information kept surfacing to the top of my thinking. I kept thinking “Am I the only one on the planet who saw that information or is interested in it? Surely not.” But, I saw no one mentioning it — anywhere — no talk shows — no articles — zip — nada — nothing! Hmmm. Later, I began to realize just why I was not comfortable with this situation.
With all that is going on in our nation and, as a lot more people are becomming aware of the masonic agenda, I did find it a little bit strange that it was not being picked up by others to follow up on, even just out of curiosity. By the way, I found out a year ago that my brother was a member but not advanced, and knew very little — we did have a talk. Also, my uncle who lived with my family for years was a high level mason and he was always kind to us, but I did not really understand anything about the Order until I grew up, moved to NYC and started becoming aware as important issues came up. If you want to wake up — that’s a good place to do it! In New York you had to be ready with a point of view when you stepped out of your door in the morning — something was ALWAYS going on that you had to have an opinion about — or someone would just GIVE you one. I found it quite intriguing — it was “electric” and made me feel a part of life. In New York, my awareness and concern was growing and soon I was on the rabbit trail of investigation into just about everything. I finally ran into the NWO and really took off on research — but then I had to buy books — I didn’t have a computer. Forty years later I am still doing research — this time, on a computer — almost 24/7 — or at least 8 or more hours a day.
After listening to all your comments, here are my reasons for concern, about whether Mr. Paul is or isn’t a mason, even though I greatly admire and am very fond of Mr. Paul as he appears to be. To see him and his ability to calm people’s fears, inspire them, give people hope and direction — to even keep them from rash actions that could bring terrible reactions upon the whole nation is something that is immeasurably important and I greatly respect and admire him for that.
We left NY several years ago to raise our children in the quiet country, and get them off the dangerous streets in Manhattan. We didn’t want them to grow jaded and beyond their years which we knew they would there. Actually, it was because of the growing issues as a parent that drew me into a greater awareness of things that were going on. When I became aware of some of the critical issues in the schools and other things going on in the community around me, my eyes opened up like saucers and I ran around trying to talk to people with my “hair in flames!” Of course, fanatic and conspiracy theorist, were the COMPLIMENTARY names I got — oh, I forgot alarmist (duh! Well, if there ever was a time for an alarmist NOW would be the time!)
I just couldn’t see why no one else was interested and looked glassy eyed! Well, some are interested for a few minutes, and I know there are others concerned somewhere — it just appears that most are not. After ALL — I woke up didn’t I!
It took me forever and a day to realize that most people are just struggling through the day trying to hold it together — and I felt guilty for wanting to put MORE burdens on their already overcrowded breaking back — OR — just RUIN a lovely day! I kept waiting for that “right” time until I found that……there really WASN’T one — bad news is bad news no matter when it is received — it ain’t gonna be good ANY time — so just get with it and say it as gently as you can without freaking them out. It was difficult but I tried — still do. I felt like I was caught on a track between two trains — each coming at me at the same time — one from each direction — each only three feet away! I felt sorry that I had terrible news to tell them, but I also felt afraid for them if I DIDN’T tell them! Then others would tell me — “Well, if people don’t want to listen — it’s the WAY you say it — that’s the problem — try to tell them little bits at a time and peak their interest.” LITTLE BITS at a TIME!! Peak their INTEREST!! Am I supposed to dance and sing as I tell them we’re all about to DIE if we don’t DO something! And just how long do ya think THAT’S gonna take to PEAK their interest!! We’re surrounded on every front, our economy is collapsing by design, thousands of foreign troops on our soil, including our own, new laws being enacted faster than you can deal a deck of cards, ad infinitum — for God’s SAKE — they’re on our DOORSTEP!! I had to tell them that if they didn’t do SOMETHING no matter how small it appears to be — they wouldn’t be able to do ANYTHING soon!
I began to realize just how accustomed we were to feeling safe in our country and believing what we were being told on television and radio with that same monotone brainwashing information or mind numbing nonsense that shrinks your brain. I soon realized that us feeling safe and secure had been part of the “plan” all along. I thought about what Nikita Kruschev from Russia had said many years ago that “We will destroy you without firing a shot!”
They put us to sleep with Bread and Circuses and gave us all the time for fun, fun, fun, shop till you drop, buy, buy, buy, go in debt, etc. They dumbed our society down in every area, schools, churches, economics, health, and so on and so on. We suddenly allowed the “specialists” to do our thinking for us — we gave over our responsibility for thinking for ourselves and did what we were programed to do. Trust the “experts.” We forgot that the “Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance.” We forgot how to think for ourselves as much and even how to think outside the box. And, so the trap was being set and we didn’t even know what it was or how to recognize it. Incrementally, the changes were implemented and we didn’t even budge — after all, it was just a little bit more or not a really big deal.
Back to the issue of Ron Paul. I found that for some reason I was not at rest with the fact that Mr. Paul may be a Mason, and for these reasons:
FIRST: War is fought in many ways. For example — with the Hegalian Dialectic: Thesis, Anti-thesis, Synthesis — and — Problem, Reaction, Solution — Bad Cop/Good Cop — etc., etc. A created enemy — if you will — infiltration, etc., etc. Check out the You Tube video on Edward Bernays his role in Culture Creation — Crowd Control — The Generation of Self. That should be an eye opener.
In the Biblical sense, Satan appeared as an Angel of Light NOT the DESTROYER! He didn’t come to Eve and say “Hey, Toots, I want to make you and your family’s life for untold generations — as miserable as I can — a pure living HELL — so take a bite!” He didn’t look scarry or talk mean — he was “more subtle/cunning than all the beasts of the field.” If any of us would see evil as it truly is –MOST of us would not willingly go! DUH! The tool of this war was DECEPTION. Now let me think……hmmmm….how many of us have been deceived? And for how LONG! I think most of us fit into that category.
Another thing to remember is that we are dealing with those who want ABSOLUTE POWER and ABSOLUTE CONTROL at all costs. They care nothing for the common man. They opperate by stealth, deceit, cunning and great evil and killing massive amounts of people is absolutely nothing to them — they have no conscience — they have done it for centuries. They are the Masters of War and they won’t stop until they have it ALL
SECOND: It is true that most masons — “porch masons” or lower level ones — are genuinely good people, not having the slightest clue to what this organization is about. In great part because they are intentionally mislead. as the “unworthy and profane.” Only those who prove themselves worthy, obedient and dilligent enough in seeking to climb higher in degrees even while being given more riddles and misinformation until they finally attain to the 32 — 33 degrees are ever even allow to know that their god is Lucifer.
THIRD: I do not believe that Mr. Paul is a frivolous or purposeless man. By that I mean that I believe that he is an extemely busy man and won’t intentionally waste time without a purpose in matters of membership in an organization. He truly appears to be a dedicated, motivated man with high ideals. He also is extremely HIGH PROFILE. Considering that, I find it difficult to believe that as intelligent as Mr. Paul is that he would be uniformed in this area. His skill and intelligence is such that he would be aware of every public involvement he would have, knowing that to be the nature of politics, and that he would be scrutinized at any given moment. And, with as much publicity and awareness on the Masonic issue that is out there now, it is even harder for me to believe that he would be even a little ignorant in this regard. So much information has come to the foreground and quite a bit of publicity on this subject is available that I would think that would be difficult. Even enough for most people to have a basic and rudamentary awareness that this is a real concern.
FOURTH: It is a BROTHERHOOD with sworn oaths taken upon penalty of DEATH.
That is serious to me!
There is a GREAT reason to be concerned what societies our leaders are with — it’s just too bad we didn’t feel the need to bring the issue up with the past regimes. A little late now. Well, these are my concerns.
Thank you for listening.
First of all, you show your ignorance with the caption for the picture. Those aren’t freemason symbols – it is a compass mixed with other tools of geometry. You see freemason everywhere because you are obsessed with TLC and NWO, sometimes a compass and square and plumb are just tools representing a craft and not THE craft. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Secondly, you show your ignorance again by listing a lodge which is a blue lodge and one which could only confer the 3rd degree of masonry to him, not the 33rd degree. He could only attain the 33rd degree by being a Scottish Rite mason and the honorary degree being bestowed upon him. If you want to prove he is a 33rd degree mason you are quoting the wrong place.
Third, you do not need to have a Mason for a father or relative to be a Rainbow Girl any more than you do to be a Girl Scout. You -must- have a Masonic relative to be a Job’s Daughter, but his girls aren’t.
Fourth, if you aren’t aware and it appears that you arent: You can go straight from 3rd Degree Mason to 32nd Degree Scottish Right mason. Any mason can skip all of the other degrees and just jump to the 32nd. It isn’t a progressive scale, it isn’t a meritocracy… it is something you schedule to attend, pay a nominal fee for the food and you just become one. There is no “work” involved and there is certainly no buildup to the secret. Any old Blue Lodge member (from the plumber to the architect) can just pop in, pay some cash and be a 32nd degree Scottish Rite mason. Afterward you would realize that you joined up with a bunch of guys who would like to think they are ‘connected’ but are really just old guys with a few favors under their belt – it is pretty sad actually to see them all deflated.
You can also follow a similar path in the York Rite, or the Tall Cedars of Lebanon or the Shriners. You treat it like it is some hard to attain feat where the elite plot domination, but you would be very nonplussed to realize what really happens there, disappointed even.
Additionally, you all fail to realize that back in the 20’s – 60’s virtually everyone was a mason – it was the thing to do. When everyone is a member of a group (all of the cops in a city, or all of the firefighters in a town) you get a bit of the “fraternity” thing going and crap happens. Look at any other fraternity and you will see the same junk happening. It is what happens when guys get together with guys and drink beer.
Additionally, you also always skip over the IOOF (Oddfellows) even though they have been around as long as the Masons. No one talks about them, why? I would venture to say that it was a popularity battle about a hundred years ago a Masons one because they had a cooler logo.
Lastly, who the hell cares if RP is a mason? If you are so jaded about the political spectrum, run for office yourself and make some change… after all that is what RP wants you to do. How would RP or the Libertarian Party attain a NWO if they encouraged anyone with a classical liberal point of view to take office and displace the incumbents?
Or do you think his Libertarian philosophy is all a ruse? You do know that Libertarian philosophy and the NWO are entirely non-compatible right? I don’t think you do, and that is a shame.
The 2 books by Ron Paul that I have read are incompatible with the NWO; they are ‘End The Fed’ & ‘The Revolution A Manifesto’. Read them in that order and you will come to realize that even if Ron Paul or anyone else is affiliated with other groups, you should STILL judge them by their fruit. In Ron Paul’s case, his fruit can be characterized by the fact that he is consistantly teaching independence, self-ownership, self preservation, living within your means, Constitution, rights OVER privileges, moral obligations, self-governing/sovereignty, central planning, Republic vs Democracy vs Anarchy vs Oligarchy, self-determination and on and on…
JUDGE A TREE BY IT’S FRUIT!
The only fruits I see is the poison apples of the New World Order left to us in the wake of 9/11 which Ron Paul STILL denies is an inside job…anyone who turns a blind-eye to his masonic and SMOM connections is a fool. Ron Paul, like his propagandist, Alex Jones, is controlled opposition, pussyfooting with the Fed, stringing his suiters along like a tease, until they’re all busted flat and heart-broken.
“2. Do the elite illuminati families control the Vatican or is it vice versa? It would make more sense to me that the ultimate source of the NWO are elite families who wish to continually pass down power through generations.”
Well the Jesuits control the Vatican and who controls them are the real masters. But they are not the “illuminati” families like Rothschild or Rockefeller that you hear about all over the alternative media. That’s obviously a bait for us truthseekers. We don’t here too much about the Farnese family, the real founders of the Jesuit order, do we? This thread about the Farneses is worth checking out, especially the thing about the Pentagon and Villa Farnese:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=6929
@pjwalker911
“The only fruits I see is the poison apples of the New World Order left to us in the wake of 9/11 which Ron Paul STILL denies is an inside job…”
If Ron Paul cannot stand up to the 9/11 crimes and its aftermath perpetrated on the world, he cannot and deserves our support.
No more pussy footing around with these animals.
“anyone who turns a blind-eye to his masonic and SMOM connections is a fool. ”
Nice guy or not, anyone that supports secret organizations cannot be trusted period.
“Ron Paul, like his propagandist, Alex Jones, is controlled opposition, pussyfooting with the Fed, stringing his suiters along like a tease, until they’re all busted flat and heart-broken.”
Enough of this kind of bullshit, its all or nothing.
The hell with the personalities and loyalties to any one man. Everyone must be judged by their actions. Start running for every local office and state office. Kick out these usurpers at every level, no one man is gonna do nothing, There has to be a foundation to support the whole movement of getting America out of the Satanists hands. Do not be politically correct about it, be brutally honest. Its down to brute force, theirs or yours, wishy washy nice guy shit don’t cut it. Just use their examples, the communist flag over the south lawn, if that ain’t in your face than you are brain dead.
I say the hell with Ron Paul , Alex Jones, and anyone else that does not tell it like it is.
Enoughs enough!
“Well the Jesuits control the Vatican and who controls them are the real masters”
This is the key, but these bloodline families also control all the other groups, sects, religions, cults, orders, fraternities etc because it all comes out of the same mystery religion root, and that includes Christianity itself which is just a repackaging of the various pre-existing dying-god religions from Persian Mithraism and Horus worship to Orphism and and the Dionysus cults. This is the reason that most of the important families have supported Christianity in all its forms, not because they were true believers, but because it has served them so well in controlling the minds of believers with the “inevitability” of the apocalyptic drama where Christians in every period looked to the heavens in expectation of Jesus’ return, that any minute, he would come down to save them from these evils. These families are the wolves herding the sheep and always have going back to at least the Pharoahs who viewed themselves as shepherds holding the shepherd’s staff.
This is why I have a problem with the false choice that we are given in terms of research. Either you are a “real Christian” in the mold of Eric Jon Phelps, or you are supposed to be a Zeitgeist Newager in the camp of people like Icke and Tsarion. I personally don’t fall into either of those categories. I just look at the objective facts and get attacked for it from ALL sides.
All these institutions are just branches from the same tree. The root is these aristocratic families, the real masters, who have had this agenda to continuously expand their power for thousands of years. Before they were Christians, they were involved in all these other mysteries, and then used Christianity as a social control. In other words, there is nothing new about the New World Order and there is nothing unique about Christianity except in terms of its success as an instrument of power.
And just a couple comments on this link:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=6929
What we are really talking about here is the Mysteries run by the aristocratic families for milenia.
Whether people like it or not Luther’s seal was Rosicrucian and he used Rosicrucian sigils. He knew that language and therefore had to be a member.
MARTIN Luther, priest who set in motion the Protestant Reformation, is shown in this picture from Christian News, a periodic Lutheran publication, giving a masonic sign. The same Lutheran newspaper carries on its masthead (pg. 1) of every edition Luther’s seal, of Rosicrucian design. In fact, Luther was a Rosicrucian. Masonic signs and grips closely parallel those of Rosicrucians (Christian News, February 18, 2003, p. 1). In an article on the internet entitled “Calvinism,” John Paul Jones quoted Masonic scholar Manly P. Hall, 33o, as affirming that Protestant reformer Martin Luther was a Rosicrucian initiate. In the article, Luther’s official seal, middle, was depicted, along with the seal (far right) on Martin Luther’s ring. At far left is Luther’s seal with author Jones showing how if the petals of the flower are connected, an occult pentacle results.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica16.htm
The same is true for Jefferson who knew the Rosicrucian language and was instrumental in setting up the Masonic Mystery religion capital complex.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2216/Ephrata_Presentation/58b_Ephrata.htm
You see, Americans, and especially Christian Americans have been had, and are still being had because they like the safety and security of being had. Otherwise, they have to stand naked to the world and be autonomous individuals, and lord knows we don’t want that!
And it is stated on this link that the Jesuits had the plans for Washington DC over a century before it was created. That comes as no surprise to me at all because again this was also the Rosicrucian plan for a New Atlantis. As I said, all these groups: masons, rose cross, jesuits, templars, etc etc all spring out of the same root.
The fact of the matter is that the Rosicrucians were in charge of what they called the “Reformation of the World” and very strongly pushed the Protestant Reformation which was the outer manifestation of the inner Roscrucian reformation which was both scientific and religious/occultic. Indeed the Jesuits were involved in this Reformation of the World, actually approving certain Rosicrucian texts for publication in Germany.
People think that just because the Jesuits seemingly fought against the Reformation, that means they were truly against it. I would only suggest people take a look at the history of al qaeda or of communism (no, I’m not equating Protestants with terrorists and commies, just to show that the powerful create divisions like Right and Left to serve their purposes) to see how antithetical groups are created by the elite as hegelian dialectics toward a planned synthesis. The elite created communism as an antithesis and today we are seeing capitalist/communist the synthesis coming together. They set up Hitler and out of that nightmare came the United Nations synthesis. They created Saddam, set him up, and out of that comes the Middle Eastern Union right out of Iraq. And so on and on, creating enemies with various motives for the outcome, fighting against these created enemies to provide the “solution”. History is just a series of these hegelian dialectics pushing the human race along a preconceived plan thousands of years in the making. Everything we see happening today is just part of that same system of total control.
Northpal,
I share your frustration and passion to quit screwing around and make freedom our guiding light, not a single savior figure like Ron Paul who is really just leading people on and taking their money. It is very seductive but leads nowhere. Same with all these Tea Parties, just useless and makes well-intentioned people look like right-wing fanatics in the eyes of everybody else. In fact, I think the Tea Party movement is controlled opposition again, led by groups like CNP, SMOM, CIA, JBS and of course agent provocateur Glenn Beck who gives you only half-truths to keep Americans Divided and Conquered. The Illuminati are not stupid. They make plans for every contingency on every political front. Of course they anticipated a reaction to 9/11, that people would see through it. Of course they knew that people would start to wake up out of the Matrix system, so they had to lead this movement including it’s various factions, head it off and neutralize it. There is a left wing and a right wing, and if people follow either wing, they are being mislead down the garden path. If Americans can for once begin to think outside the box, outside the matrix, then only is there any chance for us as a whole.
There’s our Ron Paul, showing off his horns and masonic handshakes.
US and THEM, don’t fool yourself into thinking leave it to the experts, they are no more intelligent than you. Read the same books and you know just as much. Give me a blue collar carpenter,plumber,electrician,bricklayer, and a few laborers, men with dirt under their finger nails, women who know the pain that bore birth.
I will build you a kingdom you can rejoice in. It will be only a matter of time, not like these builders of jails padlocked forever by the keys of our lost souls. They will never stop building till every soul on earth is lost, lost to their master, SATAN. You atheists, I don’t mean those that left religions, no I mean pure atheists.
Look in those mens eyes, then tell me there are not forces of Good vs Evil.
Northpal,
There are forces for good and forces for evil, but just because someone doesn’t believe in your religion doesn’t make them evil. In fact, many Christians (RP and AJ both Christian as their stated religion) do evil things as do many atheists, but that doesn’t mean all atheists and Christians are evil. I think people are good or evil despite their religion, or lack thereof. Another group considers themselves to be spiritual, but not religious. Again, not all these are good, but not all are bad either. I consider myself to be in the latter category. I can’t be in any other category because I don’t accept the materialist view of atheism, yet I can’t swallow any religion whole. I did try though and got a bad case of indigestion from it. So no more religion for me thanks. In truth, I don’t like categories and pigeonholes. It’s just better to be an individual who thinks for himself, not in a self-centered way, but in a way that sticks to facts, uses logic, that is motivated to always seek out knowledge and truth.
If you want to question someone, you should look at their actions, not just there words.
While looking back at some of the John Warner Defense Act information (in light of Alex Jones’ latest fearmongering maximum alert) I discovered something odd.
There was an Act passed last year that basically rescinded the entire thing, thereby re-instituting Posse Comitatus. This passed with an overwhelming majority. Looking at the vote record, Ron Paul did NOT vote on this Act.
Wouldn’t you think that if he were all about the Constitution, he would have gladly signed on to get rid of those ridiculous powers enacted on the Warner Act? I don’t pretend to have the whole story on it, maybe there was some pork on the backend of it that RP wanted to not endorse but isn’t this a good question to be asked of him? If I were a political opponent, I would spin this as ‘Ron Paul was for the Warner Defense Act and the destruction of the Posse Comitatus law.’
pjwalker911
Thats what I am saying, evil is evil whether you believe in a religion or are a atheist.
Look in those mens eyes, then tell me there are not forces of Good vs Evil.
Northpal,
That’s right. But the face can lie too. I would like to look Ron Paul in the eye sometime. There is a video that shows his eyes up close and they don’t look good to me. There are other indicators like the feel of a handshake, the gut feeling you get (ie the ‘vibe’ where you feel something odd, sleazy, spooky or something dangerous but can’t put your finger on it exactly), body language, tone of voice, contradictions, arrogance, ill-temper, weasling around facts in discussion, the feeling that you are somehow being cleverly manipulated, seduced, conned or even hypnotized, etc. You might also pick up on a general aura about the person almost like a dark cloud surrounding them. Or they might be dazzlingly bright and yet that dazzle is blinding you to what is underneath. They might also try to make you feel small and insignificant so that you give your power away to them. A good person will leave you feeling empowered whereas an evil person will drain you of power and leave you feeling confused or unhappy. Alternatively, an evil person like Hitler might leave you almost swooning with ecstasy, a false sense of happiness while you are being led down the road to destruction. An evil person can come across as an innocent lamb, a heroic figure or angel of light (in fact that is the role of Freemasonry, to “make good men better”, that is to make them APPEAR good to the outsiders), but there are many signs that can give them away. Freemasonry, at it’s deeper levels is about magic, ie deception, misdirection, illusion, manipulation, trickery and confusion. Ordo Ab Chao.
Anyone who is pro-freemasonry is pro-Ordo Ab Chao, period. It makes no difference what level we are talking about.
“This is the key, but these bloodline families also control all the other groups, sects, religions, cults, orders, fraternities etc because it all comes out of the same mystery religion root”
Exactly. And boy are there many of these brotherhoods and orders… I just wanted to point out to the readers that the Rothschilds or Rockefellers are NOT anywhere near the most powerful families. I think it’s important to identify and name the ultimate forces that run the show. You may well be right about Luther too, it wouldn’t surprise me at all. As a Finn I’m nominally Lutheran like nearly everybody here (about to separate from the church though) but really I’m an agnostic and probably somewhere in the middle of the “Phelps side” and “Zeitgeisters” like you. Zeitgeist movement is a joke and I really have to wonder how stupid can so many truthseekers be to not see their being had with that. Venus (Lucifer) project and all that, hilarious.
Anyway, about Christianity, even though I don’t believe in the Bible, there’s a huge difference between true Christianity (wherever it’s originated) and Roman Catholicism. I’m sure you know that but most of the Zeitgeist fans don’t. Catholicism in its core is just pure evil but in Bible believing Christianity there’s a lot of good things. The truthseekers really need to realize that the Vatican is the center point in all this. That’s now, before it was Egypt, Babylon etc. And once they get their plans far enough it will shift again. Jerusalem, Iraq, anyone?
cocoadjutor,
Yes, the Venus Project was the big thing that stuck out as Zeitgeist being controlled opposition. The first movie was compelling, but the second one gave them away! Nobody should be fooled by them, yet I understand it is something of a global cult now. In fact, the Venus Project is behind Zeitgeist and they admit Jacque Fresco is a “social engineer”. They want a scientifically planned society (already in it in fact), dissolving nation-states (already going to global government), cashless society (already going there), efficient energy to save us from the global warming hoax and so on. All this just happens to be the New World Order plan of the elite. I sure would like to know who are the financial backers behind old Jacque Fresco and what memberships he is in. Anybody know?
You seem to have the gift of insight that is rare, to steer clear of the extremes to find the truth somewhere in the middle. But then you don’t fit in, at least I never have, because I could never adopt anyone’s party line. People are very eager to fit in, to belong to something bigger than themselves and also to gain peer approval. Even if they get damned from outside the peer group, they feel secure huddling together with that group against the other groups, as long as they don’t cross the line and start thinking for themselves. Then they become heretics and outcasts, which to me, is not a bad thing necessarily. It only makes life a bit less secure and a bit harder, but I think if someone is committed to truth, he should be willing to deal with some hardships.
I actually don’t know exactly who is the most powerful or the most wealthy, etc. I just know that the elites all tend to work together with some exceptions, with territorial disputes, and disputes over their position and titles in the hierarchy, etc. I am also sure that there are some families which we never heard of, that stay out of the limelight and have lower functionaries take their place at such meetings as Bilderberg which is just an outer front organization. So this is an area that we need to keep an open mind about.
I try to wait for as long as possible to make conclusions in order to gather up as much evidence as possible. I did make this post about Ron Paul based on partial evidence that he was a mason, but never said with 100% certainty that he was, only that all indicators point in that direction. I still don’t know, but I still think it is highly likely that he is a secret member of one fraternity or order or another. We do know that he is a member of Lambda Alpha Chi which doesn’t amount to a lot, but it does indicate some elite connections. There are many other connections one can make to some SMOM-run outfits too. I admit the proof for Luther being a Rosicrucian is scant, but it is still enough proof to again see indicators all pointing in that direction. Same goes for Jefferson. You put this together with the Rosicrucian Reformation leading to the New Atlantis and it all makes sense. I know Phelps, Oxley and the others in that group don’t like what I am saying, but I think such people have blinders on preventing them from looking at the darker sides of their heroes. Same can be said for heroes like Jefferson and Washington. These are taboo subjects in the conspiracy research community. Again, the need is to cling to something safe and secure.
However, I completely agree on your distinction between true believing Christians and the Vatican system. I certainly do not mean to denigrate Christians, but at the same time, I have to be honest and forthright about what I sincerely believe and know. On one hand , I don’t want to attack someone’s religion, but on the other hand I don’t want fear of retaliation to keep me from telling it the way I see it. Freedom of speech and freedom of conscience are two values I uphold with my life and always will.
“You seem to have the gift of insight that is rare, to steer clear of the extremes to find the truth somewhere in the middle.”
Cheers mate, I could say the same about you. I’ve been involved with the Finnish 911 Truth group and now I’m sort of in the “Vatican exposer” sect since that’s what I mainly focus on in my blog. Still as a thinker I’m too much of a lonely rider to really affiliate myself with any particular sect.
Yeah, the Zeitgeist movement is in Finland too, I met some of them when there was the Z-day. You have to admire their eagerness but come on guys, get a grip.
My blog is in Finnish but go ahead and check it out anyway. I too leave many things open and let the reader draw his own conclusions. One reason I do that is that I really don’t know 100 per cent what I’m writing, I very much doubt everything and that keeps me going in quest. With Google translator you will get a grasp of what I’m saying, or at least you get a good laugh, hahaha.
http://maallikkoapuri.blogspot.com/
cocoadjutor,
I am glad to hear you are involved in 9/11 truth as well, but as you know, there are various sects of this movement or is Finish 9/11 truth homogeneously all on the same page? I am still trying to sort it all out as the more I look into it, the more complex it becomes. I find that, though it is obviously an inside job, the actual mechanics of 9/11 are still being debated.
There is no doubt that the EU is an outgrowth of the Vatican Holy Roman Empire. Blair must convert to Catholicism to become reigning monarch over the empire. However, we must never forget that the Vatican is the home of the Mysteries, which means it is the secret administration of the Mystery Schools which are the secret societies (and societies with secrets), and yet none of this can exist without the elite illuminati families who are the real power behind the Vatican, and who carefully trace their lines back to the pharaohs, kings of the Orient and so on. Popes, for the most part are mere puppets, especially the current one. Black Popes are Generals over the illuminati army. Generals must do what their commander in chief tells them to do. Both popes are appointed to office and usually are not of high noble birth. They serve the nobility, not the other way around, though the powerful noble families do rule over the lesser noble families through their enforcers. Hence you have certain conflicts between families. Still, they all recognize that they are part of the same system.
Very very very very interesting!!!
“I am glad to hear you are involved in 9/11 truth as well, but as you know, there are various sects of this movement or is Finish 9/11 truth homogeneously all on the same page?”
Yeah, I know. Sure there are different views among Finnish truthers but 9/11 truth activity in Finland is very small-time and I don’t know if you can really call it truth movement. But why I’m not too much involved in it anymore is because I realized quite soon that it is a half truth movement. The elite themselves largely created the whole 911 Truth movement right from the start to create rage against the corrupt American government (which of course it is but it’s dominated by foreign powers). Then they will offer global government as a solution, like one of the leading “truthers” David Ray Griffin for instance. It’s so crystal clear, a real farce. Still I highly respect the grass root truthers, kudos to them. I myself started the search from 9/11 so it’s a good place to start, but one should not get stuck in it but try to see the bigger context.
I agree on the mysteries thing, that’s what really counts when it comes to the real elite agenda. And in the end the Vatican is just a facade for the Babylonian sun cult and Jesuits are very much the embodiment of the Saturnalian cult, which I will expose in my blog too. Troy has posted a lengthy article on EU and these subjects.
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/the-mysteries-freemasonry-jesuits-the-eu-a-history/
The comment there is not by me, BTW, even though it’s from a Finn. =)
The current Pope is a commoner and so is the Black Pope Adolfo Nicolas so he’s surely not the most powerful man in the world like many people think. I doubt he’s even the most powerful Jesuit since his predecessor Kolvenbach is still alive. In the past centuries the Popes and Black Popes belonged to the elite families but nowadays they want to stay as far from the limelight as possible.
cocoadjutor,
“Then they will offer global government as a solution, like one of the leading “truthers” David Ray Griffin for instance.”
BINGO! You do get it my friend. A kinder gentler velvet glove global government and one-world religion, neither of which you will be able to opt out of… Griffin has ties to the CFR of course and I think maybe to Jesuits as well.
We are much on the same page at least with 9/11 I believe. I too have gone in cycles of delving into 9/11 and then backing away from it. I think that is healthy to do, but I am still interested in knowing the mechanics of it all. At the same time, it is interesting that there is a lot of infighting over these details with every splinter group pointing at the others as disinfo agents. Divide and Conquer obviously. However, I still maintain that it is important that these details be finally defined which helps to trace the culprits. I could go on into this but it is a very how shall we say, labyrinthine subject, a mine field for sure. Also, I have to admit that the mechanics of JFK are still being debated and we might see endless debate for a century or more on 9/11. Yes, from one perspective, it is a kind of a trap just as the whole NWO is a trap to enslave us. How to live a normal happy life despite the NWO and at the same time working to defeat it, is the central issue I think for any sincere person.
I also am very cautious about theories that point to one man (black pope) or woman (like the Queen) as being the top of the pyramid. Or naming one group too is limiting to me. So far, I just see a power-sharing among Zionists, Freemasons, Jesuits, SMOM, etc but always we have to keep in mind about these families behind it all. I am not a David Icke promoter, but he did say one thing that makes sense to me and that is that these elites are actually members of one large extended family. So in a sense we are talking about one large extended family interbred for power. Who is the head of the family, I personally need to study further.
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It’s sad. People with the author’s disposition trust no one and would find themselves foraging in the wilderness if it weren’t for civic governance (i.e. the Man, Big Brother, Illuminati). Free Masons are not a viable threat to world peace. Every single institution in existence is part and parcel of the social fabric that creates the policies we endure. Free masons are no more dangerous than the Shriners.
Ralph Michael Brekan famous, world renowned artist and warped cult-ure creator,
Yours begins as an almost innocent-seeming and ignorant comment, but for me a very telling and disgusting little comment there Ralphie boy.
I was going to ask what you knew about the Illuminati and very quickly it becomes apparent when you show your involvement with Kabbalah, one of the bases of Freemasonry. Ha!
You claim first that my survival depends entirely on Masonic Illuminati Big Brother Government. That’s funny, because peoples all around the world survived fine, in greater freedom than we “enjoy” today, with simple tribal communities out in the “wilderness” which they oddly enough called home (and some still do). Life was simpler then. You wanted clothing or shelter, you made it. You wanted food, you raised it, grew it yourself, you hunted and gathered it up, “foraging in the wilderness” as you put it, something an awful lot of people want to get back to doing so they are no longer dependent on this poisonous Big Corporate Government system of total corruption.
No massive bureaucracy acted as middle-man in this natural process of living. No pinhead told you not to dig or build in this or that corner of the forest, no government agent came and told you what herbs you couldn’t ingest, no revenuer came and collected taxes. This was before colonialism, religion and massive Masonic government bureaucracies arrived to destroy their tribal ways of life and incorporate them into the Masonic Matrix system where most of them ended up psychologically destroyed, substance addicted or dead, dead the way truly free peoples are meant to be in this system you propagandize for. Same could be said for many white settlers who carved out their own existence seeking freedom FROM government tyranny, just wanting to be left alone. But leaving people alone is not what Big Brother Illuminati government is about is it?
In modern times, this system has propagandized relentlessly about “freedom” while systematically stripping people of their freedoms and everything else, programming them in the meantime to “learn to love their servitude” as Illuminati minion Aldous Huxley put it, to give people the ILLUSION of freedom while in reality they are servants of the State, ie slaves. As every enlightened person today recognizes, America is the land of the Sheep, Home of the Slave, bankster debt slave, corporate slave, tax slave, boob-tube slave, government police state slave, junkfood junkie, drug junkie and cannon fodder for suspect wars, barely surviving in most cases, BECAUSE of your Big Brother Illuminati Government, or surviving well enough despite it.
America was built on slavery, in case you forgot, and many of your Masonic heros were slave owners. Slave owners! Owners of human beings, as one would own livestock or pets today. Is there much in life worse than enslavement? Not much if anything, but Freemasons today shrug their shoulders claiming this was one of those things, just an aberation of the times, men of those times supposedly knowing nothing about morality. Ha! Freemasons are such liars and deceivers, twisters of language, reality spinners weaving webs of deceit.
The Whitehouse, which was modeled on the birthplace of Irish Freemasonry, Leinster House, was built on slave labor. It was designed by Irish Freemason (and Catholic of Knights Templar lineage!) James Hoban, Worshipful Master of Federal Lodge No.1, who also built the first Catholic church, St. Patricks, on Capitoline Hill! (Idiots and liars who claim there is no relation between the Catholic Church and Freemasonry take note!)
“Edward Hoban, father of the White House architect, was a member of the High Knights Templar of Ireland, Kilwinning Lodge No. 75, whose grandmaster was James Fitzgerald, the Duke of Leinster.”
http://www.rense.com/general61/strrn.htm
All this was going on about the time that the U.S. Capitol cornerstone ceremony was being presided over by George Washington, Worshipful Master of the Alexandria Lodge, another forked-tongued Freemason! He bought and sold and even rented slaves all his life and went to his grave with no less than 316 captive forced laborers! Washington never did anything to stop slavery of course because he, the symbol of “freedom”, found them useful. And these people couldn’t wait to be free. Just as soon as Martha died, bang! they were off like a shot! And nobody in their right mind could blame them because slavery is evil, in any form and in ANY TIME.
Nothing reliable ever came from the mouth of a Freemason because behind the placid face of the Freemason are the secret oaths and secret agendas of Freemasonry.
One thing you say is true: “Every single institution in existence is part and parcel of the social fabric that creates the policies we ENDURE”. What you refer to is the massive corrupt Masonic Corporate Government hierarchy of neo-feudal control that dominates the lives of people all around the world from China to the US and is only getting worse by the day. Among others, its symbol is the Pentagram, the “stars” seen on many a national flag. Yes, it is this over-arching domination and tyranny of the occult theocracy that we endure, whose time must come to an end or we go right down into the abyss of the New World Order they have planned for us.
So yes, I will be the first to say that America was and still is a project of the Freemasons who federalized it and standardized it, and consequently, the entire world has been remodeled and standardized in the mold of Masonic standards on the path to world federalization which we today know as the Novus Ordo Seclurum, the New World Order, born out of chaos that was deliberately fomented by them to serve as pretext for all the policies of micromanaging control. Your Masonic brethren FDR and Truman, along with Bonesmen Masters of War-Making in high places, were part of this conspiracy to bring about a manufactured world war to serve as the pretext for your Masonic United Nations. But then they were carrying out the Masonic plan for a New World Order weren’t they?
Lastly you say: “Free masons are no more dangerous than the Shriners.” Which may be one of the most ridiculous and hilarious statements ever made on this site! First off, you can’t be a Shriner unless you are a Mason and usually a high mason 32nd degree and above. Of course, you know that, but in keeping with the tradition of twisting words and everything else around until it is unrecognizable, you put this out there. And again, corrupt, lying Shriners like Truman, Ford and Hoover have taken to power like maggots to a corpse. There is nothing harmless about them.
Kabbalah-ist Ralph Michael Brekan, you are really a corrupt simpleton, but what is worse, you are obviously a diseased mind, a sick mind and I know that you will continue to infect others with it through your art, at which you are obviously quite successful with. But I have looked it over and it is just a big stinking pile of crap. Nobody in their right mind would buy a poster of valium tablets, or of a nutcase making love to a Barbie Doll (“My Love Affiar with Barbie”), or of Illuminati hand symbols (“Hand Signs”) but then most people aren’t in their right mind, which would explain your success.
Kabbalah – What’s All The Fuss About?
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Great article on Kabbalah
Posted by: Ralph Michael Brekan, Tempe, AZ on Jun 12, 2006
Those who enjoy Rabbi Wolfe’s narartive will love his book “Practical Kabbalah; A Guide to Jewish Wisdom for Everyday Life.” I’ve immensely enjoyed this book. It introduces the ten sefirot in a way that anyone can understand, appreciate and infuse these “lenses” into their lives.
The only footnote to this article I’d add, for the benefit of fellow Jews, is that the 49 sefirot of the traditional “ladder of light” directly correspond to the counting of the Omer. So in my humble and novice opinion, if you already count the Omer from Pesach to Shavuot, you’re basically engaged in the study of pratical Kabbalah (as well as fulfilling a very important postive mitzvah).
But that’s the basics, Rabbi Wolfe puts it best in his introduction when he writes, “To truly understand the Kabbalah one must spend a lifetime commited to study and prayer.” That’s great advice, and that’s on page one. The entire book is relevant to everyday life and will improve your outlook on your life.
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/545,51310/Kabbalah-Whats-All-The-Fuss-About.html
Kabbalah Blessing (forked hand) and “I Love You”…whatever you say…is it “I Love You” when a Satanist does it, or the Bush family or Berlusconi?
“Hand Signs” – New Media Collage on canvas. 2003
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Thank you PJ
You are quite welcome Lynn. All the best.
There are so many false statements made here, from both sides of the spectrum, that I hardly know where to begin. First, and I get in trouble for this whenever I state it (but why stop now), I know for a fact that Freemasonry has many more levels than 33. How do I know this? My grandfather is a 50+ year Mason and has attained a 42nd degree. He was thrown a grand gala in New York and presented with certificates just as when any other level is attained. He is also lifelong military, a highly decorated general and throughout my life has professed some of the most shocking things about our government about a “Big Brother” scenario that was implemented long before he was even born. Lucifer was a Babylonian king and not The Devil, not even the bible confuses the two so I am unsure where the connection came from. When Pike speaks of reverence for Lucifer it – in no way – means a reverence for the Devil. There is a lot of love here for The John Birch Society but they ARE in the agenda up to their eyebrows! People that love that group don’t seem to know a whole lot about them. Welch started the group as a support network for Joseph McCarthy and his witch hunts and they have since been pushing the Red Scare paranoia at any opportune moment. Most conspiratorial nonsense comes out of them – 99% of which is total baloney and stems from a deep seeded hate for progressive liberalism. It also seems born of anger over the fall of religious domination. How often do you hear all of these right-wing lunatics crying out about the evils of “the secular left” while conveniently forgetting the historical evils of the “sectarian right” which includes murder, genocide, incest and all manners of iniquities that are nonexistent in the “secular left?” I am convinced that global enslavement is a Conservative Agenda. And in order to attain such a lofty goal, as any historian will tell you, you have to control both sides of any argument. If you truly pay attention you will see that the conspiracy movement is intrinsically related to mainstream right-wing ideology and is entrenched in the trappings of all things GOP… Christian Reconstructionism, bigotry, sexism etc. etc. The greatest tactic the masters of the agenda have ever embraced is that of divide and conquer and entwined in that scheme is the proliferation of prejudice. Nothing divides (distracts) the people more than hatred. Whenever prejudice of any sort is espoused I know the advocate thereof is Agenda… and what ideology is intrinsically related to the philosophy of bigotry? Conservatism! They have usurped the mainstream and alternative information sources and manipulate both sides of the paradigm. Ron Paul is a far-right loyalist and therefore he IS part of the Agenda! Pay attention, that’s all you have to do. But sadly, most people are sheep and a sheep is a sheep even if it is wearing a Tin Hat.
Joshua Skye,
What you say about the Right is mostly true. Particularly Fascism is evil, yet is guided by secretive orders like SMOM, P2, Jesuits etc. and the CIA is filled with SMOM and Bonesmen. But then you side with the Left apparently, and in so doing, you turn a blind eye to the evils of that side of the Dialectic, ie Communism which has killed more people than any other ideology on the face of the Earth, and which is guided by secret societies like the Illuminati and Freemasonry.
Then there is Fabian socialism with its wolf-in-sheeps clothing logo, run by the aristocracy of Britain, whose adherents like HG Wells, Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russell all talked about social engineering, manipulating human beings with all sorts of mind-control tools, drugs, poison food (additives, GMO etc), vaccinations, television and so forth to bring about again, in their own words, a “New World Order”.
Most Communist leaders have been masons, but in truth, all these secret societies meld together at the top of the initiatory hierarchy which is why there is this integrated and monolithic New World Order agenda (and don’t get off saying this is a “tinfoil hat” thing because every week a major global leader comes out talking about how wonderful the New World Order is and will be, etc.) Because there is cooperation and coordination among the elites and world leaders, there is this very observable progress, an incremental march toward fulfillment of the dream of the power-mad: global government and an international system of Big Brother technological control of all human beings, standardized in every country. There is a lot more to it than this, but that is the basic outline.
If one is trapped in one or the other side of the Dialectic, he is controlled, controlled because he is not thinking independently and if you don’t think for yourself, somebody else is doing it for you.
Ron Paul is controlled opposition for the Right and Far Right. He has nothing but good things to say about the Vatican (known to support fascism), yet the popes talk of a “New World Order”, “a Global Authority” and support UN programs. The current pope has even made a point of blessing the UN flag. So this gives an example of people claiming to support the Right which is against global government, yet in reality firmly behind a powerful organization like the Vatican which pushes for this very same NWO global government. Truth is, both Left and Right are controlled by the same powerful forces and there will be no peace or sanity until this false divide and conquer dialectic is recognized and overcome by the general public.
Thanks for responding in a mature, productive manner. I like intelligent debate; most people are simply not up for that… especially the Alex Jones and Henry Makow sets. I highly respect your opinions which clearly stem from extensive and thoughtful research. Allow me to explain why I believe that the global agenda is a conservative one. The usurpation of history is quite clearly dictated by conservatives as evidenced by many examples. The genocide of the Native American tribes was at the hands of Christian conservatives, a basic truth never mentioned in mainstream historical texts. The “States Rights Democrats” of the south, the slave owners, were a conservative political party and not a liberal or progressive one. The truth of that is never mentioned even in passing in our textbooks nor is it discussed in alternative historical sources like “Lies My Teacher Told Me” which claim to tell the truths conveniently left out of our educations. The “States Rights Democrats” were right-wing to the core and stormed out of the very first Democratic National Convention they attended after the Democratic Party, as we know it today, was formed. Abraham Lincoln was not a republican! In fact, when he was in office the Republican Party did not exist. He was a member of the liberal Whig Party and nominated for the presidency because of his moderate views by the moderate group The Republican-Democrats (one party). After Lincoln’s success and unfortunate assassination (at the hands of a conservative) the Republican-Democrats split down the middle forming the two diametrically opposed parties we know today. The “States’ Rights Democrats” survived up to the end of segregation (again, a right-wing ideology) at which time the leaders joined the Republicans. History is far more convoluted then we are led to believe and such complex details are important to fully understanding what did go on and what is going on. Women as property was a right-wing philosophy that has found a foothold now in the “truthseeker” movement through the Henry Makow types that also espouse a slew of bigotries such as racism and homophobia. Every time a civil rights movement happens it is always the conservatives that fight against it, and we are seeing that historic fact repeating itself today with the gay rights movement. I believe wholeheartedly that the freedom and liberty of minority groups is intrinsically related to the freedoms and liberties of all and must be fought for as earnestly and as passionately as if fighting for the whole. The subjugation of anyone is detrimental to the sovereignty of everyone! Sadly, most “truthseekers” fail to see the correlation as they fall into the Agenda trapping of prejudice and hatred (a divide and conquer strategy). But I can keep going regarding the usurpation of truth. We are seeing now the public displays of right-wing sheep ignorance in all its disturbing glory at the Townhall Meeting protesting healthcare reform. These people actually believe that the Nazis and Socialists in general were left-wingers! It’s shameful. Socialism, like democracy and communism, are complicated political beliefs that have rightists, leftists and moderates. When Hitler rose to power there were three political parties in the German Parliament: The Social Republicans, The Social Democrats and the Catholic Center Party. Of those three only one opposed Hitler and that was the Social Democrats… the leftists! The Social Republicans and the Catholic Center were in full support of the Nazis. In fact, Hitler was not a socialist at all; he hated socialism and liberalism referring to them as “evil Jewish creations” in many of his well-documented speeches and his personal writings. His right-hand man Goebbels wrote extensively about Hitler’s ability to talk his comrades out of their socialist beliefs. Hitler and the Nazis were Conservative Nationalists! Likewise in any political spectrum you will find that the tyrants are not leftists but rightists… Stalin, Mao etc. etc. Just like Hitler, Stalin and Moa only had one opposing voice and it was a leftist voice. That is why they slaughtered liberal or progressive minded groups mercilessly… and anyone else that they saw as threats to their autocracy. Like I said, it’s far more convoluted then what they, the right-wing factions, want us to believe. If the truth was told conservatism would be a long dying ideology. As it is it is only now on its deathbed and boy are they scrambling to stay awake! And what other group is scrambling to stay in control? They are mirror reflections of one another, I’m telling you! Progressive liberalism is on the increase, of that there is no doubt and in the light of that truth there has been born this nonsense about no political dichotomy. I don’t believe that for a second. There absolutely is a difference and such differences are represented by political parties that may or may not be controlled by the same elitists. They may be manipulated by a centralized source by those dichotomies, but you can’t claim that these differences don’t exist because of that. Now there may be traitors to liberalism (like Roy Cohn), and false associations to liberalism (the lie that the Nazis were leftists, for example) but I don’t believe that the entire Democratic Party is controlled by the Shadows, of course there is no doubt that some of the members are! There is a difference there. I do, however, fully believe that the conservative party is, as a whole, the puppet of the Shadows. I am convinced that hate and prejudice are the foundations upon which to divide and conquer the people and always has been. Conservative ideology is the bastion of bigotry as evidences not only by historical fact but by what is happening right now all around us. Therefore the Agenda is a conservative one. But allow me to keep going. War mongering is right-wing and always has been contrary to popular fallacy propagated by tools like Ron Paul. America was manipulated into the Second World War by Republican legislators and the right-wing dominated media types like William Randolph Hearst that conducted a very calculated campaign to terrify Americans into pressuring the president to take us into the conflict. Our involvement in the Vietnam War was initiated by far-right military man Eisenhower and his shady vice Nixon yet JFK is blamed for it. On and on it goes, there are no exceptions where we have gone into war there has always been a right-winger at the helm of it. Keep looking into all the evils of the Agenda and you will continue to see that the evils are conducted by conservatives! The pedophiles rings… all right-wing! Secret Societies… right-wing! Now, I have no interest in money laundering or any other comparatively lame crime conducted by leftists… there simply is no association. The crimes of the right are far more grotesque and Agenda oriented. The child abuse alone should be enough to give anyone pause to think about what I am saying… hundreds upon hundreds of Republicans have been caught red-handed molesting kids and there have been over 1,300 priests in the last few decades alone that have committed this heinous crime and yet there is no outrage over that, people are focused on Polanski’s singular incident from 30 years ago in a vain attempt at linking it to liberalism (even though its only become a political issue because the right-wing has made it a political issue). Child labor… right-wing capitalist born. The illegal immigration distraction is completely born of racist conservative ideology. Healthcare reform has never been a socialist agenda but right-wingers are just going with the status quo on that one… as usual. The right-wing military spends hundreds of billions of dollars over its annual $1 Trillion budget to research new and exciting way of killing people… where is the outrage over that “socialist” program? Why, it’s nowhere to be seen of course. I can go even further… of all the politically motivated assassinations there has only been one case of a leftist killing a rightist, all the others are conservatives that have murdered liberals. Every single spree killer and serial killer has been conservative… even the lone “democrat” of the bunch John Wayne Gacy was a lifelong conservative catholic! It is astounding to me that these absolute truths are completely ignored especially in the “truthseeker” movement where people pride themselves on making connections that everyone else disregards. I could go on and on about the JBS, Skull & Bones and others but I think you get my point. Now, perhaps you understand where I am coming from.
Joshua, no doubt you are well-versed in politics and history, but you are still viewing events in 3d glasses with only one color lens at a time. You stick them both on and you will see the continuation and progression of people and policies from republican government to newly elected democratic ones or vice-versa. There is no doubt the conservatives have more of a us vs. them ideology, tend to start more wars, and are filled with more hate speech, but that is only meant to be leveraged by the democrats to further world integration. They work hand in hand. Problem, reaction, solution at its most advanced.
There are a myriad examples of influential people working both sides, continuation of policies regardless of the initiating party. Bush Sr., CIA director under democrat Carter, then under Reagan, became a conservative HAWK. Kissinger, adviser to every government, democratic or republic since Eisenhower. Or just look at our man Greenspan… the list can go on and on.
You can see a seamless continuation of people controlling policy, media, defense industry and our financial system.
Did we see our southern borders closing under conservative bush? Do we see our civil liberties being given back to us with the repealment of the Patriot Act under Obama? How about the closing of Guantanamo? Do we see both sides dishing out cash to the financial institutions? Parties of ideals? Thats a joke!
‘Media frenzy’ issues such as abortion, capital punishment, illegal immigration, molesting priests, etc. are just hot ticket items meant to create the illusion of debate and divide…
Your right that more ‘bad’ happened under one party… but don’t get deceived as to why…
“There is no doubt the conservatives have more of a us vs. them ideology, tend to start more wars…”
Spanish American War: Teddy Roosevelt, Progressive (Mason)
WWI: Woodrow Wilson, Liberal Democrat
WWII: Franklin Roosevelt, Liberal Democrat (Mason)
WWII Harry Truman, Liberal Democrat (Mason)
Korean War: Harry Truman, Liberal Democrat (Mason)
Cold War: Harry Truman, Liberal Democrat (Mason)
Vietnam War: Lyndon Johnson, Liberal Democrat (Mason)
Kosovo War: Bill Clinton, Liberal Democrat, (Mason)
Afghan War: Tony Blair, Labour Socialist (Mason)
Iraq War: Tony Blair, Labour Socialist (Mason)
Not to ignore the role of “conservatives” like the Bush family in the Gulf War and in the current wars, but the glaring truth is that political liberals have started more wars than conservatives.
Most wars have not been started by Conservatives, but it is actually besides the point, because what everyone is missing is the fact that political labels are just labels and do not reflect the reality behind politics that it is all run by the secret societies of the establishment, and as always people like the Clintons and Bushes work together for the same NWO agenda. So any talk of liberal vs conservative is mostly a distraction.
i stand corrected about the war point, and definitely agree that party politics are just different sides of the same coin.
I might add that this is one more reason for people to be suspicious of Masons. We are told by many Ron Paul supporters that it doesn’t matter whether he is a Mason or not. I think this little bit of info shows that Masons are among the leading proponents of war. And we can go back through all the wars and revolutions – including communist – and find them involved in all of them from the 18th century onward. Another couple of fun facts about Ron Paul is that he is the leading candidate amongst both the military, according to his own figures, and among Masons according to Burning Taper. And though as I just demonstrated, that most wars have been instigated by Liberal Masons, Ron Paul is considered to be the a “conservative’s conservative”. But again, these labels and platforms are meaningless when the reality beneath is understood.
I already informed you that America’s involvement in Vietnam was initiated by right-wing Military man Eisenhower. I also informed you of just how America was taken into conflict for WWII, by a calculated right-wing campaign of yellow journalism and propaganda. It seems that from even a cursory look at the Spanish-American War that our involvement there was also the result of yellow journalism from the Hearst types. I must correct you on your assertion that Woodrow Wilson was a “liberal,” he absolutely was not. He was a conservative democrat that was not well liked by his party. From his racial views I might be inclined to call him a “States’ Rights Democrat,” and I’ve already discussed them. But that’s neither here nor there because WWI was brewing under Taft long before Wilson took office. I’ll say it again… the details matter. Another detail that matters is Roosevelt who only became a progressive later in life; his political career was influenced by his republican ideology. Remember he was a switch hitter! He started out a far-right Republican. Trumen’s presidency did see the start of the Korean War (an initiative of the then only recently founded U.N.) but you are forgetting that he ended WWII. The Cold War was nothing but the residual conflicts after the ending of WWII, and it wasn’t really a “war.” It was more like Russia and America growling at each other. Clinton’s reaction to the incidents in Kosovo (what many considered a second Holocaust) was a fulfillment of an American pledge initiated under Carter (signed by Reagan) to intervene in genocides; a treaty not upheld by republicans (Darfur anyone?)… they wanted to start their own wars instead of providing aide. Where I cannot find an argument against the intervention of genocide I can find a target for criticism… if right-wingers like Reagan and the Bush boys hadn’t illegally provided weapons to known far-right militaristic/religious factions then many genocidal conflicts would not happen in the first place! You are also forgetting the details regarding Blair’s “New Labour Party” in which he abandoned traditional policies and views and took it in a very slanted conservative direction. That isn’t even my assessment, that’s a well known fact. Come on now, the details matter!!!
I would call them all conservatives. Even if the high echelons of parliament are all working for the same global elite then perhaps their party affiliations doesn’t matter… but ours still do!!! I cannot, not ever, equate myself with conservative ideology… it is too divisive, too bigoted and too grotesque for me to even find anything respectable about it. And it is, without any doubt whatsoever, complimentary to the Shadow Agenda! Now, of course the Shadows are using the political dichotomies among us ordinary citizens to further divide and control us. Again, there is no doubt to that. What we need to do then is to call their bluff and unite against them. This is not going to happen with the ideology of conservatives being so entrenched in deep seeded bigotry. I will absolutely not give up the fight for universal equality! I believe, with every fiber of my being, that bigotry (racism, sexism, homophobia) is beneficial to the Shadow Agenda (a globalized police state). This is why I am on the side of liberalism, we are fighting against the subjugation of others and that has been our historical invariable. It is fundamentally related to the freedom of the whole! We will lose the big picture scenario unless conservatives release their hatreds and prejudices and unite with us for true freedom and liberty. As it is conservatives believe that only a select few are endowed with inalienable rights even though the Declaration they so love to cite does not have an exception clause!
Joshua,
First of all, you aren’t informing me of anything. Second of all, you are the one who is dividing and conquering, not me. You are just like the right-wingers who try to “inform” me that “it’s the Commies” or “it’s the Liberals” or “it’s the Jews” or “it’s the Muslims” or “it’s the Humanists”. Same thing, just the other side of the coin. Controlled oppositions based on lies and distortions. I’m telling people the truth about the meta-reality behind politics. You want us all to continue believing in the phony Right/Left Hegelian paradigm which never has and never will help anyone. Oddly enough, that is exactly what the elite, who control both sides, want.
This “debate”, which is really an attack, is just about over. I simply don’t have time for fanatics and disinfo artists. I really do have much better things to do and I don’t allow spammers or disruptors to litter up comments sections on this blog. I will let you run your mouth here for awhile longer until it just gets monotonous, which it is really getting to be already.
So go ahead and make your final predictable disinfo attack.
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Chuck Baldwin Linked To Illuminati Controlled JBS Society
Louis,
Haha, good posting on Chuck Baldwin. And do we need to remind people of the Baldwin bloodline from the Knights Templar, Order of Sion etc up through Alec Baldwin and his Hulu Illuminati-are-brain-sucking-aliens commercial? His brother Stephen is an evengelical Christian of some sort, so from there you get a possible tie-in with Chuck. There is a very good chance he is of this bloodline. In fact, if anyone has anything on this I would like to see it.
Mormonism is just another Masonic/Christian cult. Many sources for Freemasonry are in the Bible, very useful to the Iluminati down through the ages. In fact, the Bible is one of the “Three Lights” along with the Compass and Square. Rosicrucian Master and polymath genius of extraordinary intellectual capacity Francis Bacon was such an adept of the Bible, probably knowing “The Good Book” and its occult meanings better than any true believer of any time.
Freemasonry was never “infiltrated”, just upgraded. Here is where Welch is exposed. I think this myth that Freemasonry was infiltrated (and before that, a good organization) is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated, right up there with Global Warming and the Cold War. It is one of the many incredible myths and lies that Freemasons tell about their nefarious elitist occult religion.
An upgrade of Freemasonry in 1776, the same year of the Founding of the American Union, preceding the European Union by 200 years (they had a plan for the EU even back then by the way). Jefferson, a Rosicrucian, professed his admiration for Weishaupt, while Washington a Master Mason, officially denounced the Illuminati, yet the two of these Masonic slave-masters worked hand in glove to design and build the Masonic Magical Matrix that is Disctrict of Columbia with forced slave labor, not according to their own vision, but according to a much older plan for New Atlantis probably concocted sometime between the 12th century when the Illuminati Orders were already exploring and exploiting the North American continenent, and the time of the Rosicrucians. It could be that this plan is even older, but who knows for sure? It was picked up by Bacon who as a young man had studied throughout Europe and probably the Orient, collecting occult knowledge based on his elite bloodline connections. Some speculate that he is the true Christian Rosenkreuz, mythological founder of the Order. Anyway, it is probable that there was contact between the “New World” (new only to the uninitiated public) and the ancients of Babylon, Tyre and Egypt going back thousands of years. The knowledge of which was always kept a secret including the fact that the world was round.
The Rosicrucians designed their mysterious manifestos to first create confusion and maintain secrecy, but also to enthrall, seduce and mystify towards a global reformation to get the NWO moving forward. Out of the Rosicrucians, specificaly Bacon, came the refurbished more popular “gentlemenly” version of Freemasonry, always run by the royal bloodlines (as it is today), never, ever a grass-roots organization. Bacon, by the way, was an illegitimate bastard son of the Pirate Queen Elizabeth who wrote the Shakepearian plays, edited the KJV Bible, rewrote the English language to make it the universal global language through an occult propaganda campaign, founded modern science, wrote the seminal work on how the New World Atlantis would be run by a secret order and as King James’ chancellor, he even granted land rights in America! The Bavarian Illuminati was inspired by all the above, but especially the Jesuits who were also privy to the long range plan to create a New World Atlantis, itself having the same roots in the Mysteries. The Jesuits were, far from persecutors of Rosicrucians, actually worked in the editing of Rosicrucian manifestos. They were no more persecutors of Rosicrucians than they were of Freemasons because all these groups are branches of the same tree.
As for JBS, you only need know that it got funding by the Rockefellers and that many of its members have also been CFR members to know it’s true purpose as controlled opposition. And then from there you find out all sorts of horrible things, but the clincher for me is that, while they officially rail against the UN, in reality they support it through their support of the Catcholic Church which acts as a UN NGO and whose pope has nothing but praise and full recognition for. So the whole “conservative” movement is a big fat lie. This is yet another reason for people to abandon these controlled concepts of Left and Right and to just become thoughtful human beings for a change. Stop listening to Alex Jones too. In fact, I don’t hear anyone who is really telling the truth. All we get are bits and pieces. But that’s okay. Pick up the pieces of the puzzle and start putting them together. At least you can get an outline started and a sense of the big picture.
I know it is hard for people to realize they have been duped and suckered, but it ain’t bad once you get over it and move on, being wiser and freer for it.
I couldn’t pass this one up! Ho ho ho!
Adam Baldwin
Adam Baldwin (born February 27, 1962) is an American actor, distantly related to the Baldwin brothers. He is known for his roles as Animal Mother in Stanley Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket, Ricky Linderman in My Bodyguard, Knowle Rohrer in The X-Files, and Marcus Hamilton in Joss Whedon’s Angel. He also established a cult following as Jayne Cobb in the series Firefly and the movie Serenity.
He currently stars as NSA agent John Casey on the NBC comedy-spy series Chuck. !!!!!! hahaha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Baldwin
Just one of those coincidences?? Or some kind of hint??
His cult following is from this film that has a lot of scifi predictive programming and mind-control stuff in it.
Serenity (film)
Before she has a chance to attack Mal, her brother arrives and shouts a “safe word” that causes her to fall asleep. Despite his anger, Mal allows Simon and River to resume traveling on Serenity. The crew contacts a reclusive techno-geek known as Mr. Universe. Mr. Universe discovers that River’s outburst was triggered by a subliminal message in an advertisement that had been broadcast across the Alliance during the previous weeks. He notes that River had whispered the name “Miranda” before attacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_(film)
I was a mason. I mentioned the name Jesus and I got flack, so I quit. I can tell you what it is. They claim they are seeking the light but it’s not Jesus.
No more evidence needed for me; I’m out of here.
You are either with the Truth or against the Truth. Jesus is the Truth.
Pjwalker911 Thanks for the compliment. I’m glad I was able to contribute to this post. Thanks for the info also. Bloodlines are very important to check. The same old crud keeps rising to the top year after year. Its good to see that most folks in here are united instead of divided. Learning the facets of global conspiracy can be time consuming and if people would take the time to thoroughly study their ideas and be open to other avenues they just might find out that they are saying the same thing as the other fellow that disagrees with them. Thanks again for visiting nocentsatall.blogspot.com and I’ll be sure to return here again in the future.
Pjwalker911, I guess we can agree to disagree on some issues and you seem to be quite intelligent which impresses me. You should not equate Mormonism with Christianity. They are quite polar opposites like other religions. The difference between Christianity and Religion is between “Do” and “Done;” between a Religion and a Relationship. And the attack on the King James Bible sound familiar and is easily refuted by clicking on a link on my Blog called, “Defense of King James.” Here is a quote from watch.pair. It’s quite a long read but if you have the time its well worth it:
“The following audio programs are presentations by Barbara Aho which were made shortly after the release of “The Secret Mysteries of America’s Beginnings” Video by Cutting Edge Ministries. The audios present much evidence refuting the false claims made by David Bay of Cutting Edge that King James I of England conspired with Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians to transform the 1611 King James Version into “a Rosicrucian Bible which would reverberate with Satanic power every second of every day, a sacred book which would gradually move the peoples of the world into practicing that ‘Mystic Christianity’, Rosicrucianism.” Following the audio programs is evidence that David Bay and Cutting Edge have planned all along to discredit, not only the KJV, but all English Bibles as Rosicrucian works.”
You can also google many of these issues of the net and get half decent responses sometimes. The important thing is to ask yourself is, “What is the total outcome out of all this? Will it help me or hurt me?”
Thanks again for your Article and input though. Regardless if you change your position or not on some main issues, we can still agree that we hate the New World Order. People just need to understand that The Bible is not our enemy – it’s our Government! Take care!
Louis Turner,
Before we go on, I want to set some things straight:
First, I consider myself a truthseeker and nothing else. I don’t have an agenda other than that except to see that, out of truth, the world (ar at least my corner of the world) may be set free.
Secondly, I am not here to defend secret societies. My mission is only to expose them and the secrets they have been hiding for centuries if not longer. So for example, if I say Bacon was editor of KJV, I don’t say it for the same reasons that Rosicrucians do, taking credit and promoting Bacon as one of their own. That’s what they do, but I sincerely believe KJV was part of a Rosicrucian propaganda campaign that included the Shakespeare works, the revision of the English language to make it lingua franca for the world and the promotion of the Protestant Reformation which I believe was the outer expression of the Rosicrucian Reformation, like a black op behind the official program.
Third, while I am not here to attack Christian believers, I personally do not believe in Christian religion or the Bible. I have tried for years to see why anyone would embrace it and wanted to believe, but after a long period of study and reflection, I came to the conclusion that not only Christianity, but all religion is mind-control. I am not a gnostic nor do I consider myself an atheist. I do not believe in or belong to any group, political party, cult, religion or secret order. I guess I am something in between, for which there is no label other than “spiritual” but because that word is so utterly abused, I prefer not to use that either. Truth seeker best describes me.
So, even though I allow Christians to freely express their beliefs here, I also ask that others accept my free expression of what I sincerely believe to be the facts. If someone can’t handle that and feels they have to start attacking me, then it would be best if they go eslewhere because I don’t have a lot of time, energy or patience for that sort of thing.
I really don’t mind if people disagree with me as long as it seems to be sincere, respectful and not an attack. As soon as it looks like I am coming under attack, I suspect an agenda, and such agendas are carried out by both irrational fanatics and by deliberate disinfo ops which are constantly being mounted against this site especially by Masons and various members of the Knighthoods. I know this because some of them are not afraid to reveal themselves directly, and many reveal themselves by what they say, such as someone who claims Albert Pike or Aleister Crowley were admirable in some way. Immediately you know that first, they know something about the secret societies, and secondly that they are propagandizing for them which simple deduction shows what they are in reality.
In other words, I value a gentlemanly debate with sincere people because it forces me to back up my claims, but I despise those who just come just to attack in an attempt to spin, discredit and debunk. There is a big difference between the two.
The final thing that I ask is that if someone disagrees, that they simply state, “I disagree and here is why.” Or, if they say, “You say such and such. What is your source for that?” Then I am only too happy to try to answer that. I don’t feel that in comments that I have to give sources for everything I say, unless specifically asked to do so on a specific topic. Footnotes are for books and articles, not necessarily for informal discussion.
Now, if you give me a a little time, I will attempt to respond to some of your disagreements over the next few days. The reason for this is that I don’t have a lot of spare time to work on this blog. I do try to respond to as many comments as possible though.
This is really the key to religion as I have been trying to explain to Christians to no avail. This is how culture and religion are operated on the unsuspecting populace who are not privy to the secrets of the Matrix masters, ie the Illuminati. An example is given in Herbert’s Dune:
Missionaria Protectiva
The Bene Gesserit practice “religious engineering” through a faction called the Missionaria Protectiva, which spreads contrived myths, prophecies and superstition (collectively known as Panoplia Prophetica) among the populations of the Empire. A Bene Gesserit may then later take advantage of the prophecies, casting herself as a guide, protector, or some other figure in fulfillment of the prophecy, in order to manipulate the religious subjects for protection or other purposes. These myths also exploit religion as a powerful force in human society; by controlling the particulars of religion, the Bene Gesserit have a manipulative lever on society in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_gesserit#Missionaria_Protectiva
Myths are created first to set up authority, ie “God and His Son”. Can’t get any higher authority than that can we? But the fact of the matter is that these myths are as old as the hills, and yet when you investigate them, whether it is Tammuz, or Horus or Dionysus, or Mithras (Myths-R-Us!), Apollo, Orpheus, Baccus, Attis or any one of the hundreds of “Sons of God” from the beginning of recorded history, you find there is no historical basis for any of them. But along comes another “Son of God” at the end of a long line of mythological “Sons of God”, and now we are supposed to believe that out of all these mythological messiahs, this one, Jesus, now he is the real McCoy, the others being mere cheap imitations.
“It is time to move beyond mere observation of scientistic cults and use the knowledge we have gained of recruitment strategies, cultural innovation, and social needs to create better religions than the world currently possesses. At the very least, unobtrusive observation must be supplemented by active experimentation. Religions are human creations. Our society quite consciously tries to improve every other kind of social institution, why not religion? Members of The Process, founded mainly by students from an architecture school, referred to the creation of their cult as religious engineering, the conscious, systematic, skilled creation of a new religion. I propose that we become religious engineers.”
– William Sims Bainbridge, “New Religions, Science, and Secularization”, in Religion and the Social Order, 1993
If you don’t believe that “religious engineeing” goes on and has gone on for thousands of years, that it uses myths and prophecies to manipulate the mind, then what is this?
I recommend serious students of the NWO to research this character Bainbridge for an understanding of the unbroken line of religious engineers from the time of the Sumerians, who continue to con the public even now thousands of years later.
“Techniques such as genetic engineering, psychoactive drugs and electronic control of the brain make possible a transformation of the species into docile, fully-obedient, “safe” organisms. ”
– William Sims Bainbridge, in Religions for a Galactic Civilization, Paper given at the Nineteenth Goddard Memorial Symposium of the American Astronautical Society, Pentagon City, Virginia, March 26-27, 1981.
The purpose of social and religious engineering is to control people. Sheep being led by shepherds. The sheep are not allowed to know how this works and are only left to believe what they are fed by preachers and priests, same as they believe the media, the government and the educational system. Granted, many Christians these days are pretty hip to the NWO. But they only take their understanding just so far and then stop.
Of course, what I get from Christians is “well, yes okay, there is religious engineering for all religions except mine. My religion is the true religion while all the others are engineered by the Illuminati.”
Coming to such conclusion requires that the person’s mind is locked down, ie controlled. Therefore, I say to any Christian who claims to be against the NWO, you are fooling yourself. Anything less than the totality, the big picture, will make a person fall back into serving the agenda, directly or indirectly. Ultimately, you are expecting, as many generations before you did, that the anti-Christ is coming, that tribulation is coming, and at the end of it all, Jesus will finally come back and take care of business. Thus the whole NWO plan is seen as INEVITABLE. Cui Bono?
“the Missionaria Protectiva, which spreads contrived myths, prophecies and superstition (collectively known as Panoplia Prophetica) among the populations of the Empire. A Bene Gesserit may then later take advantage of the prophecies”.
This is how it is done.
Therefore, I look at religions generally as mind-control cults which are carefully designed to scare the shit out of people, generally crushed between a rock and a hard-place between fear of Hell and Fear of God. This Fear then is exploited to herd the sheep-like humans down a predetermined “inevitable” path of history. This is an unchangeable TELEOLOGY wrapped tightly in endless circular arguments wherein, if you question its basis, you are automatically in league with the Devil and to be disregarded, much in the same way that people who question the government are labeled as “conspiracy theorists” to dismiss them.
So yes I do equate Christianity with Mormonism. They are not exactly the same, but they are both dying god cults. If you think about it, Christianity is a cannibalistic pagan Solar death cult that worships a dying god/human sacrifice on a cross (one of many that preceded him), and as is prescribed by Jesus, the supplicants are to eat of his body and drink of his blood. They are also reminded to “Give unto Caesar” and to view good rulers as sent by God as a reward and evil rulers as sent by God as punishment and chastisement. So you see, according to the Bible, we are all being punished by God through the Illuminati, the evil rulers. Who benefits?
And of course, we are told that from day one in the Garden that man is a sinner, fallen from God’s good graces, and must forever toil and suffer for it on Earth. Lucifer was a good boy until he too fell out of favor and was cast down to, of all places, the bowels of the Earth, from whence he becomes pretty much the defacto ruler of the World. So we are not only punished by this God for being sinners, but also punished by his fallen angels (The Illuminati) who rule over us. And then we are supposed to believe that, though God would have the power to set things right on Earth, he is just biding his time until he feels like sending His Son back down to clean up the town. I mean, this is only the tip of the iceberg of ridiculousness that human beings have been conditioned to believe for centuries. I personally cannot see why they do, except that they are in such abject terror that they cannot dare to even begin to question what they believe. Precisely what the religion was designed to do to them.
I’ll get to the KJV and Lord Bacon soon.
It’s funny how you use the Dune quote to try and disprove religion. You must not have read the rest of the book.
I find it highly disturbing that Ron Paul is quite likely a freemason, and the 180 day amendment to HR1207 makes it that much more unsettling. We may not have 180 days at this rate.
Self,
It’s just a fictional example of how cults, which become religions, can be created for social control. I really don’t give a damn what the rest of the book says. I gave you a real world example in William Sims Bainbridge who is a top social engineer with the National Science Foundation. Not good enough for you? I will add more examples when I find the time, much to the chagrin of those who love being controlled and lied to by the myth-makers.
There is no Masonic conspiracy. The Grand Lodges of the States and recognized Masonic Lodges in other nations only to introduce some traveling member who wishes to attend Lodge in the country. In the U.S. that’s not necessary, and often not necessary outside the U.S. if a member of that Lodge will simply attend with you. Otherwise, there is no internal conversation, no mechanisms for implementing any agenda.
The foundational tenets of Freemasonry preclude an conflict of interest between Masonic loyalty and the loyalty one owes to family, community, state and nation. There’s no loyalty to the “WORLD.” Freemasonry simply seeks to make good men better through the highly philosophical morality allegorical catechism. Ritual is where any resemblance between Freemasonry and Jesuits ends. A Jesuit can’t openly be a freemason, and their lives are so cloistered it would be impossible to conduct any Masonic fellowship in private. This whole conspiracy theory is utterly bankrupt and underwritten radical Christian fundamentalism that views everything outside of its dogma as evil; if there’s a conspiracy it is the agenda of hate and ignorance spewed by that lot.
The symbols at Georgetown University are not Masonic. They regard the study of Law, Justice, and Social Science, etc. There’s no Compass there, and the Square has been adopted by American jurisprudence, as has the gavel, from Freemason symbols because Masonry is itself egalitarian. In the Lodge Ron Paul, if he were a Mason, is just a Mason, nothing more. Politics, Religion, and Sex cannot be discussed in the Lodge, and are therefore taboo among all but Mason who just happen to otherwise be friends.
I wish Ron Paul were a Mason. I respect the man, but his notion that the United States can remain secure and not intervene is childish. I wish it were that simple. Sometime in the next two years we will intervene and dismantle Iran’s nuclear program, or Israel will do it- and WHEN that happens it will ignite the most enduring and lethal conflict the world has ever known, all because there hasn’t been and administration since WWII willing to do what is necessary to decisively disabuse threatening regimes, strangle them in the crib, scorch the ground they live upon. Like Sherman going to Atlanta. If we don’t intervene Israel will not be all that is lost. The intersecting collective human prescience regarding the year 2012 is not happenstance. It is synchronicity. It is a collective intuitive apprehension that the potential for cataclysm exists.
When George H. W. Bush used the expression, “new world order” he was simply referring to the end of the bi-polar Cold War contest, and the advent of a broader-based global socio-economic system. That is a new world order to be sure. The entire thesis that America now intends to implement a NWO in its own image, as the world’s only superpower, is rubbish. Americans want to be left alone. But we have something that must be dismantled in order for 12th century regressive radicalized and genocidal tyrants and regimes to exist into the next century.
Look, I actually have an advanced education and 40 years of experience in world affairs. I know what I’m talking about. I’ve been a Mason since 1987, and a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason since 1989. I’ve been to The House of The Temple at 1733, 16th Street many times. Many Presidents have been Masons and even 33rd Degree Masons, such as Ford, and H. Truman. George Washington was a Mason, but I’m sure that’s somehow incorporated into your conspiracy theory.
If you want to understand what is really happening in America read “Bowling Alone,” if you did that and actually comprehended the material you would get down on your knees and pray for a resurgence of Masonry and more importantly; a Judeo-Christian spirituality based body politick in America, and everywhere else in the world. Because the original intent ideology implemented by the Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights, and the Constitution have been inculcated in Masons from an unknowable antiquity, which itself is based on egalitarian Monotheism.
It’s not a world craft, not statecraft, spy craft – it is the crafting of men who are by nature inclined to engage their community, and affairs greater than themselves to the betterment of all humankind – or they wouldn’t have been attracted to Freemasonry enough to call themselves Masons for life. If Jon Paul were a Mason it would be no secret. There is no John Galt in Freemasonry; there are just individual, independent, state sovereign intuitions of Freemasonry.
Please, grow up and get involved. Stop wasting your minds on this nonsense and engage the body politic- or you will lose your Country – and not to Masons, but to the tyranny you, as a nation, have brought upon yourselves in your willful ignorance.
Meant to say Lodges only “communicate” in the first sentence. Probably not the only mistake, not trying to write a dissertation. However, no peer reviewed substantive dissertation exists that controverts my argument. Why is that? Why is it that in the known body of Masonic Philosophy (that wasn’t lost in Alexandria or anywhere else) there is not a single book, written by Masons that has anything to do with conspiracy or new world order. The Founder of the Scottish Rite may be instructive to you in this regard.
“It is quite true that Government tends always to become a conspiracy against liberty; or, where votes give place, to fall habitually into such hands that little which is noble or chivalric is found among those who rule and lead the people. It is true that men, in this present age, become distinguished for other things, and may have name and fame, and flatterers and lacqueys, and the oblation of flattery, who would, in a knightly age, have been despised for the want in them of all true gentility and courage; and that such men are as likely as any to be voted for by the multitude, who rarely love or discern or receive truth; who run after fortune, who love accusation and hate apologies; and who are always glad to hear and ready to believe evil of those who care not for their favor and seek not their applause.”
Albert Pike – Morals and Dogma – 1871
Read Masonic Philosophy at this level, and you will abandon this folly.
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Quel dommage ! what a pity if it is true. I Hate fremassoney, and right here in France freemasons and mostly JEWS run the country…
I’m talking “relationship” here, NOT religion. YHVH, Creator and Sustainer of the Universe wants His creation to be in relationship with Him, through the blood covenant sacrifice of His Messiah Yeshua. You can know everything about everything, and especially about what is wrong, but still not know the truth that would set you free, here and hereafter. If you are in covenant with the Creator through Messiah Yeshua, if you have received the free gift of eternal life, you will know that we are only passing through this world, and that we are compelled to give the gift to others. That is our sole purpose on this earth, wherever our Father has planted us. Receive the gift! Give the gift! There is NO political answer. Only when Messiah Yeshua returns, will there be a solution to the problems we face. The answer to everything is to serve the Messiah, to be a bond-slave to Him, He is the Living Master and Savior. Hear the call, heed the call, obey the call! He is the “way, the truth and the life”. Sorry, pjwalker, you may know what is wrong, but you don’t know what is true! The truth, Messiah, will set you free, free from the world, the flesh, the devil and false religion, and free to worship and serve the Living Elohim through Messiah Yeshua! “No one cares how much you know, until they know how much you care”. You can only care for you fellow man if you are in covenant with YHVH through the blood of Messiah Yeshua!
jennifer schmidt,
I’m sorry, but I disagree. This waiting for a savior to fix things is precisely why the human race remains enslaved, because they will not take action, nor responsibility for the situation. They have been fooled into believing that it is beyond their power to change things and so look to the god that has been given to them (by the elite) to rescue them. And it is preached non-stop by Masonic preachers everywhere. ‘Just wait long enough, he’s coming soon to fix it.’ We have heard this for centuries. Same thing in other religions: Hinduism has Kalki, Buddhism has Maitreya, Islam has the Madhi, Judaism has the Messiah (hasn’t showed up yet), and so on. And of course the believers in all these traditions believe that their particular savior is the real one, the right one, while the others are mere imitations at best. All these billions of people waiting for some superhero to descend from the clouds to free them from the evil, darkness and oppression of tyrants, and this very concept of the Son God descending to save humanity, originated with the Mystery Schools of Asia, the Middle East and Egypt from whence Freemasonry derives many of its intricate teachings on the occult and social engineering.
The Marquis de Luchet, a friend of illuminist de Mirabeau, in January, 1789, wrote in his Essay on the Sect of the Illuminati/illuminists: “Deluded people. You must understand that there exists a conspiracy in favor of despotism, and against liberty, of incapacity against talent, of vice against virtue, or ignorance against light! … Every species of error which afflicts the earth, every half-baked idea, every invention serves to fit the doctrines of the illuminati … The aim is universal domination.”
http://euro-med.dk/?p=13810
That’s about it, “Every species of error which afflicts the earth, every half-baked idea, every invention serves to fit the doctrines of the illuminati.”
There is always this dichotomy between those in the know, and those who are treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed a lot of shit). This is the difference between the elite and the common people, between the esoteric and the exoteric. The wolves herd the sheep through this process of religious indoctrination to remain in bondage to religion, or to “relationship” if you want it that way. It’s a big phony, a sucker’s game and it has gone on for thousands of years all over the world. And it will keep going on for thousands more. Unless of course people wake up, which is highly unlikely due to the absolute massiveness of the propaganda and disinformation that they are literally bathing in day to day.
I do agree however that the answer is primarily spiritual, that is for people to look within and know their own mind, purify all their ignorance and nobody can do that for you. The secret is to become neither sheep, nor a wolf, but an aware, conscious, intelligent, sane, compassionate human being. If you think this is not possible, then you should think again.
I agree with pjwalker 100%. My partner and & I have finally found somebody who thinks the same way we do! I couldn’t have typed it better myself.
Tim Buck,
Good to know there are others with the same sense of discernment out there because it is a labyrinth of disinfo that we have to navigate through, literally walking a razor’s edge to come to something close to the truth. And this is only because the Matrix is set up by incredibly cunning deceivers who have controlled this world like a computer program for centuries, manipulating history itself toward the NWO, programming our thoughts from birth, preventing humanity from finding true freedom and knowing the truth for themselves. It has gone on as far back as you want to look and it is still going on, more than ever, which is why there is so much wrong with the world. Pike knew about the plan for three world wars back in the 19th century and discussed it with Mazzini, but no one has ever asked how he came up with it. I say it was passed down to him by older masons who had it passed down to them, going back how far is anybody’s guess, but worth investigating.
Almost no one has an original thought in their heads merely because they have been programmed and cannot think for themselves. This blog is for those who want to deprogram and think independently free from all the snares and traps of the Matrix system.
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@PJWalker & Kairologic: Thank you, thank you , thank you. I can’t say that enough.
PJ: I admire your patience when responding to the mindcontrolled.
Kairologic: your level of understanding is rare and refreshing!
I followed the video link posted on YOUTUBE and arrived here. Clearly, the person who submitted the video is an UNeducated idiot, or a DISinformation plant? Either way, get your FACTS and STATS correct!
Freme[mason?]
There is no disinformation emmanating from this blog. All the facts and stats are correct. All crimes are traced to the source. All the globalist plans are revealed. All the religions and occult secret orders are exposed to the light of day. All controlled opposition and false hope is shown for what it is, pure manipulation.
On the other hand, we have Ron Paul’s propaganda minister Alex Jones, who likes to keep secret society memberships of his friends a secret. Joe Rogan is a Satanist, friends with Stanton Lavey. Ron Paul is Lambda Chi Alpha, another elite secret society based on Freemasonry that, like Skull and Bones, sticks for life. Pat Buchanan is a Knight of Malta and so on. Then Bob Dacy is big JBS’er, being cohost of the show where he heavily promotes the JBS, or did anyway, and I have exposed JBS as a Masonic/Maltese Knight controlled opposition operation of the Rockefellers, and it is very CLEAR that Ron Paul is deeply in with JBS. Don’t know what BS Jones is spewing of late because I don’t listen to him anymore since I wised up to his being an all around fake and pathological liar.
Clearly then, the only disinformation on this particular post comes from a) mind-controlled Ron Paul fanatics or b) religious nutcases or c) the secret society wolves in sheep’s clothing themselves.
Further reading:
Eustace Mullins On the John Birch Society…
JBS was setup by Nelson Rockefeller. I knew two people at the original meeting. They needed a right-wing, anti-communist organization. NR decided that Robert Welch was the man to run JBS, so he arranged for the sale of Welch’s Candy Co. (where Robert Welch had been working for his brother John) to Nabisco (which was a Rockefeller controlled company) at a highly inflated price and Welch was given an income to run the John Birch Society. Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because he had a revolving fund at Chase Manhattan Bank, and whenever Welch needed a quarter million dollars to meet the payroll, he’d go to CMB and withdraw the money.
http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY
http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html
Belmont Brotherhood
http://www.watch.pair.com/belmont.html
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY– Its true history and goals
http://www.balaams-ass.com/JOURNAL/hous … hnbrch.htm
911:Military Order of Malta
http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Military_Order_of_Malta
Birch Society, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Phyllis Schlafly, et al
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wolv … schlaf.htm
Knights of Malta, CFR and Bilderberg Group Member William F Buckley Jr. Dies at 82
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3054
John Birch Society Politicians
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/john-birch-soc.html
JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY REFERENCE RESOURCE
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06 … -resource/
“THE BELMONT BROTHERHOOD”: THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY, HIGH-LEVEL MASONRY & THE C.F.R.
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06 … y-the-cfr/
But then I could just go on and on with reams and reams of facts about the secret societies that control politics including the so-called opposition, and because this is war, there will be nothing more but the same deluge of bullshit from Freemasons, Knights and their followers, swooping hordes of cackling goblins, stomping on truth at every opportunity.
So screw them all. Bunch of dirty NWO sewer rat bastards. You know who and what you are.
A lot of crazy conpriracy minded people post things on the internet. Most people whom post things here and else where are untrained in critical thinking or intelligence analysis techniques. Most of what passes for the truth on the internet in the conspiracy blogosphere is just plain nuts! What, people fail to realize is sometimes the world gets so complex the government in it’s flawed wisdom plans for contingencies and fails to explain them to the general population, or cannot for fear of upsetting the people as to the reality of the world and the possible threats to our open society. The more complex a conspiracy theory is the less likely it is true due to randommess and catastrophe in kaos theory. The possiblity of any one group of people controling the outcome of an event or even a series of events in history is improbable impossible. Having said that, The political history of the modern world is made up of strange bedfellows! There are people in the world today who hate freedom and the notion of the American Nation State. The are clearly working against your and my interest as CITIZENS OF THE FREE REPUBLIC. Who they are, what they are, and why they are are open to legitimate debate! Some of them are Communists, Fabian Socialists, Liberal Collectivists, Liberal Democats in general, Neo-Conservative Republicans, Enviromentalists Watermelons, Marxists, Neo-Nazi’s, Communitarians/Eco-Communitarians and Third Way Pols, Globalist/Internationalists/Egalitarians and Big Banks and International Corperations. As to the wacky anti-Masonic stuff; the only people I give charity to these days are the Shriner’s Children’s Hospitals and the local collection for my church… I am not a Free Mason, but I am a poor Roman Catholic with Free Baptist Roots… God Bless you all!
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Having been involved with planning issues in the Washington, D.C. area, I can conclude that the term “MASON” means “Major Asshole Social Organizational Network”.
http://wwwtripwithinthebeltway.blogspot.com/2009/05/telling-deletion.html
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2010/04/dcs-monumential-indicator.html
http://wwwtripwithinthebeltway.blogspot.com/search/label/Alexandria%20Orb
http://wwwtripwithinthebeltway.blogspot.com/2007/05/1964-north-central-freeway-routing_08.html
Just study the history – after all they do hold up the compass and square as if they were protectors of good design in the public interest.
Pjwalker911 you have done a fantastic job exposing Ron Paul and the JBS here. I just posted an article myself exposing this Society over at Shock And Awe Graphics. I have 29 links slamming the JBS so far and your site and some of your quotes are included. I fashioned this article around the “Thirteen Ghosts” movie with my personal testimony and added some killer illustrations along with other information that you might be able to use. Feel free to browse the article and add to your posts if you like. Once again – Cheers, you have done a great job.
Love the info. I have been trying to tell many about this for a while.. Try talking about Alex Jones and watch what happens.
We all should know.. Everyone has a leader. The hippie movement had theirs just as the Truth movement has theirs too. Alex Jones. He is part of the mocking bird project..
Anyways.. Ron Paul is HIGHLY supportive of the Pope, which is NEVER a good sign.. Alex Jones avoids to answer questions about the Vatican..
Time will tell all…..
They are all knights and masons who have in common the double-headed eagle symbol representing the universal spiritual and temporal domination of the planet. Jones has said something to the effect of “yeah my whole family is masons going back for generations”. Bottom line is that membership in the infernal fraternal and papal orders precludes trust. Anyone who avoids talking about this subject, who frames it as “oh there are some bad, but they are mostly good” (Jones et al) is definitely a shill just playing at opposition. We are born into a Masonic/Papal Matrix system that only recently has become recognized by a few who care to know the truth. Most can’t handle it which is the reason this blog has been attacked repeatedly by the elite and their masonic/papal minions.
I see Ron Paul flash the mason sign and I wonder what makes him different.
I think . Nothing . He’s a mason. Unworthy of trust. We have no choice for president.
Right Randall, because the whole thing is rigged in a political paradigm that allows no escape through their system. It allows only the APPEARANCE of escape depending on where one’s sympathies lay, how one is divided and conquered (Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green, Socialist, Neo-nazi etc). The source for this matrix-like system is spelled out for all to read in the once secretive Masonic layout of Washington DC, the center of a vast, sprawling federal empire, teetering on the edge economic of collapse, by globalist design. Now that the secrets are being revealed, it is up to the people to wake themselves out of their stupor, shake off their illusions, conceits and corruptibility and seek other ways to obtain genuine, rather than imagined, freedom. The alternative is a global Big Brother Brave New World dictatorship which is well beyond laying its foundations and is already functioning around the world.
Masonry, which people associate with city planning, did NOTHING to stand up for the USNCPC Extending the Legacy South Capitol Mall.
http://wwwsouthcapitolstreet.blogspot.com/
The silence speaks volums about their lack of legitimacy.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080420061149/http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46310
The broken link as archived by way back machine
Nelson Rockefeller funded the JBS? I find that pretty hard to believe, do you have any proof? (I mean, they expose David more than anybody and we all know that the globalists hate exposure!) And who fights against the Federal Reserve harder than Ron Paul? It seems pretty stupid and counter-productive for Rockefeller to fund the UN, the FED, and the JBS? Yes, I’m aware that the Rothschild’s and Rockefeller’s have funded both sides of every major war in the past 200 years, so are you alleging that it’s some sort of Left-Right paradigm within the Left-Right Paradigm? And then the question becomes, if we can’t trust Ron Paul, who can we trust? After all, every famous person has some BS written about them on the internet. The hardcore conspiracy theorists say that both Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell are crypto-Zionists, and that David Icke is a nut. Plus, according to these guys, all religions are bad or are masonic, etc. I was told to get out of my Lutheran church because they are a member of the National Council of Churches, but the closest thing to it is Catholicism and they’re supposedly Satanic. How do I worship God correctly, at home? I’m confused, please help!
John D,
Of course it is a controlled paradigm from the extreme left to the extreme right and everything in between. There just are no independent thinkers, not in politics and relatively very, very few in the world at large. This is because independent thought would destroy the NWO and to keep it going, so you must have this divide and conquer mechanism in place to scoop up dissent (from ALL directions), channelize it into group-think and thereby neutralize it, just as you would herd sheep into various pens for slaughter (note Stalins purges killed or imprisoned almost anyone regardless of the way he leaned). That is why JBS is there. That is why Ron Paul is there. Ron Paul is just one “hero” among many (for the right or the left matters not) designed to pick up the disgruntled right and keep them wishing and hoping and never delivering because he can’t do it and won’t do it. He won’t challenge the Masonic system we are under (see the Masonic layout of Washington DC for example and ALL the corporate logos for starters) and so we will get another decade or so of federal domination over the states during the transition to the North American Union and the integration of the World Bank into the Amero system. Fighting the Fed is therefore a popular exercise in futility, a day late and a dollar short.
We already live under the American Union (USA, similar to the USSR in extent), which is an empire with global reach. Empires and freedom are opposites because empires require centralized authority, ie, a FEDERAL GOVT, which is by definition a dictatorship under a king-like figure, treated like royalty, we call President. If you haven’t guessed by now, I am an Anti-Federalist. As I have dared to state all over this blog, the only solution is secession and people claiming independence from this monstrous masonic master/slave system. Politics, as usual, is a charade for fools to believe in. All the wars, from the War of “Independence” (see Cornwallis on that) and the Civil War onward have been rigged by the global elite for social engineering purposes (since war is the most powerful way to change the face of the world), especially the last several including WWII, Cold War and the “Global War on Terror” so-called which is a war on everybody on the planet waged by this Illuminati elite. “Our” soldiers do not fight for their country. They fight for the Novus Ordo Seclorum, the NWO and take orders from the NWO. Period, end of story. Anyone who says different is either a fool or a liar.
Now I recommend people start reading and getting caught up on J-BS, and by extension, Alex Jones and Ron Paul, that whole controlled opposition crew (don’t forget Alan Watt who features on Infowars regularly).
An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins
JBS was setup by Nelson Rockefeller. I knew two people at the original meeting. They needed a right-wing, anti-communist organization. NR decided that Robert Welch was the man to run JBS, so he arranged for the sale of Welch’s Candy Co. (where Robert Welch had been working for his brother John) to Nabisco (which was a Rockefeller controlled company) at a highly inflated price and Welch was given an income to run the John Birch Society.
http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm
http://www.whale.to/b/birch_q.html
Murder by Injection by Eustace Mullins, chapter 10:
The Rockefellers were also active on the “right-wing” front through their sponsorship of the John Birch Society. To enable Robert Welch, a 32nd degree Mason, to devote all of his time to the John Birch Society, Nelson Rockefeller purchased his family firm, the Welch Candy Company, from him at a handsome price. Welch chose the principal officers of the John Birch Society from his acquaintances at the Council On Foreign Relations. For years afterwards, American patriots were puzzled by the consistent inability of the John Birch Society to move forward on any of its well-advertised “anti-Communist” goals. The fact that the society had been set up at the behest of the backers of the world Communist revolution may have played some role in this development. Other patriots wondered why most American conservative writers, including the present writer, were steadily blacklisted by the John Birch Society for some thirty years. Despite thousands of requests from would be book buyers, the John Birch Society refused to review or list any of my books. After several decades of futility, the Society was totally discredited by its own record. In a desperate effort to restore its image, William Buckley, the CIA propagandist, launched a “fierce” attack against the John Birch Society in the pages of his magazine, the National Review. This free publicity campaign also did little to revive the moribund organization.
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/rockroth.html
The Wycliffe Bible Translators, John Mott & Rockefeller Connections
In 1974 Rockefeller was sworn in as vice-president under President Gerald Ford and served until the term ended in 1977. 18 Participated in the founding of the United Nations.While unknown to many, Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society, was helped by the sale of his brother’s Candy Company to Rockefeller owned National Biscuit Company, which for many would appear to be in direct opposition to the JBS goals.
http://www.seekgod.ca/rockefeller.htm
More:
THE BELMONT BROTHERHOOD
http://watch.pair.com/belmont.html
“THE BELMONT BROTHERHOOD”: THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY, HIGH-LEVEL MASONRY & THE C.F.R.
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/the-belmont-brotherhood-the-john-birch-society-high-level-masonry-the-cfr/
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY–Its true history and goals
http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/housechu/johnbrch.htm
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY
http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html
I also recommend people read my post on Blackwater: Knights of Malta in Iraq and next time Alex Jones, Alan Watt and Ron Paul tell you they are “fighting for freedom”, ask them why they won’t dare besmirch the name of the Knights of Malta or the Jesuits, or the bloody masons for that matter:
Answer to last question: gain spiritual solace through study, prayer and meditation and if you come together with others of like-mind, all the better. But don’t sell yourself out just out of desperation.
http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch#p/u/144/nOFmrMUrcmg
Soldier,
RE: http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch#p/u/144/nOFmrMUrcmg
Very interesting video. This young mason is well informed, yet unfortunately, he does not follow through logically with his own facts. He states that the elites at the top of the secret society network are what he calls “rogue elite dark black evil masonry”. Well that means (and it is apparent to anyone who bothers to study the issue) that the leaders of Freemasonry, Skull and Bones and the other secretive orders, the elite, the billionaire bankers, the royal families, the dynastic career politicians, the bigwig CEOs etc, are “dark and evil” and very capable – with their limitless resources – of mass-murder and terror psyops like 9/11 and 7/7.
But his reasoning is that somehow, perhaps by some miraculous oddity, even though the leaders of these societies are elite, dark, evil lords, he claims that “it’s not the whole institution”. Well he can be partly right in that many of the lower masons and other members of related orders are not in it to do evil particularly, but are convinced that they are doing good. This is the generally understood set up to begin with, but as Albert Pike states, the lower mason is lead to believe he understands the meaning of masonry, of the organization and its esoterica, yet is deliberately deceived until he is brought up through the degrees to the 33rd where he comes to learn that he must serve Lucifer.
Interestingly, this 32nd mason seems not to have gotten the full treatment yet, except in that he believes in the rather NewAgey version of gnosticism. He therefore remains in a brainwashed condition of defending Freemasonry. Certainly this is like the weapons manufacturer employee who defends his company’s business despite the evil uses of its products, by reasoning that the employees don’t make the weapons to be used for evil purposes and so even though the leaders of the company and the corrupt leaders who purchase the weapons order them and use them for evil purposes, it’s not his problem. But it IS his problem because he serves those who write his paycheck. He is therefore guilty by association. Oh, but you see, he doesn’t want to bite the hand that feeds him.
It is the same with all those who are employed making the gadgets and widgets of the Big Brother surveillance network. They rationalize their roles in order not to compromise their bank accounts. This is the exact same situation with Freemasons of any rank who generally benefit in more ways than one from the many perks and privileges of membership. Same goes for the Mafia which is itself a masonic organization (look it up unless you want me to prove it to you) with plenty of linkages to “The Craft”. There is no “good mafioso”. Any mafia-like gang network is a dirty, corrupt, violent criminal enterprise and anyone who works for it has sold his soul to it, no matter how low ranking he is. Same goes for Freemasonry which has far, far more influence and control over society than they ever let on to. In fact, this is a Masonic Matrix system we live in as evidenced by the vast number of corporate occult logos, the masonic layout of capitol cities (Washington, London, Vatican etc), masonic involvement in public education (indoctrination), etc and so on.
Also learning that he is a member of We Are Change New York, makes one wonder how infiltrated by, or how much the masons have had to do with setting up this organization. It seems to me that most of the organizations that are supposedly fighting the elite are in actuality controlled opposition and are therefore ineffective. Thus, the NWO can continue expanding at an alarming rate virtually unchecked.
When I come upon “pages” that are very revealing I attempt to make a PDF of the page…even here on FB, because I know evidence of complicity goes into the memory hole quick. And then I save it to email,flashdrive,computer and then send it out to many others.
People can repent and begin to go down the right track. There is a reason they took him out as well as MLK, who many judge. I’m not judging Ron Paul as a person, but his intentions seem to be of a hidden agenda. He too can repent though and I pray he does.
By the way everyone, I am no Church going individual who believes in Messiah and knows the Scriptures were manipulated and not written as Fiction.
Anyone who fears to speak the truth in order to save their own skin is not a freedom fighter. RP still claims that “19 highjackers attacked us because we’re over there” [and I paraphrase]. He has played the Hegelian Masonic political shell game for over three decade, is an insider, is a media darling, is a career politician which means he’s just another liar, albeit a controlled opposition puppet, just like Alex Jones and his Larouchyite Marxist buddy Webster Tarpley. Disgusting disinfo agents one and all. Not one of these liars will repent, admit anything or spill any of their beans. They will go to the grave satisfied that they have done all they could to mislead the people and feed their own fantasies of stardom.
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Very evil twisting of reality from both directions, yours and theirs because in reality all of you are working for the same masters. Ron Paul is a media darling insider, but but his followers are given a picture of him as a beleaguered victim of media suppression. This video manipulation is meant for them, it being for their benefit alone, to boost their fanaticism (Nobody else really gives a shit), to convince them that Ron Paul is being censored, tossed aside, by the media, especially Fox News, which is just looney since RP appears regularly there with little or no negative commentary. That gives him the air of being an underdog, coming up from the bottom to smite the enemy. All staged controlled opposition. Note the author makes a snide little crack about his own masonic devil salute to his lord Ron Paul. Very appropriate.
http://dailysok.com/wordpress/index.php/2011/02/foxnews-cpac-results-manipulation/
PJwalker,
This is a nice thread.
Many years ago I knew there was something wrong but not until I began study of the occult societies, ancient history and current events I began to truly learn. Once I lifted the veil on the Mystery Religion and understood the symbolism and their doctrine, world history started to make sense and I connected the dots through history. First, I had to start over and re-think every bit of dogma I had learned from a child to adult and question everything I was taught and find the truth. The truth is much like the movie “The Matrix” we live in a world 180 degrees opposite of what we thought we lived in. I too have been a Ron Paul supporter for years but I also seek the truth and I will man up if RP is truly not who I thought he was . I say to all masons and non-masons alike, pick up and read as much masonic literature as you can for their greatest writers convict themselves through their own writing. No need to even read anti-masonic literature. I still have at least dozen masonic books to read my self that I picked up last year alone. Believe no one and do not put anyone on a pedestal, but you must research on your own and find the truth. There is no conspiracy, the elite are doing this in the open and have told us so many times in their own words what their utopia (Hell for the rest of us) will be. We all have been guilty of living in our own narrow dogma given to us by our own culture, reading and preaching too our own choir all our lives, ignoring anyone who might think different than us.
Trimbeaux,
I’m up to speed on the Masonic Matrix system, more than most, but we all have more to learn about it. Most “patriots” are not able to go back to the “founders” and know how to deal with the fact that this is a Masonic Order founding the American Union Empire (long before the European Union Empire which was already under consideration then) and enshrining their preeminence in the very street layout and architecture of the District of Corruption (secretly I might add to the extent that Americans have only begun recently to learn about it).
They also cannot deal with the fact that the New World Order is nothing new, but an ancient system of control, manipulation and domination by psychopathic occult bloodlines. I therefore, through a study of this system, have realized that the anti-federalists were right to resist the founding of a consolidated federal government over a vast expanse of land that only continued to expand in both size and scope incrementally through to this day. This is one place, among others, that I part company with the vast majority of those in the patriot/truth/freedom movement.
Therefore, my position is that you cannot use the Masonic Federal system to defeat the Masonic Federal system, ie through Congress. Ron Paul represents this Masonic Congressional technique of corralling the opposition in order to neutralize discontent and keep everything bouncing back and forth within the safe confines of their system. In my opinion, the only way out of the Matrix is to abandon it and abolish it entirely. You have to start from scratch and build from there minus these occult influences, as nearly impossible as it seems. In fact, I pretty much stand alone in my views, but I’m sticking to my story.
PJ,
I agree, this is the conclusion I have slowly begun to realize that RP is a distraction and part of the system. There is no political solution possible, only way forward is to abolish the current system and rebuild with freedom and truth.
Godspeed.
Trimbeaux,
You have seen the light! (on your own, through sincere study, contemplation and reasoning). One of the extremely few. But this is the natural conclusion one must come to after years of study of the real situation. Those “experts” on the NWO who do not come to this conclusion after so many years are naturally controlled opposition mis-leaders.
This is very interesting by Paul Joseph Watson.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fox-news-creates-fraudulent-video-discredit-ron-paul
Full of controlled commentary at the end. This video distortion only benefits Ron Paul’s mythology as being media suppressed. Of course Jone’s yes-man Watson (“elementary my dear Watson”) surges forth full steam ahead with the Ron Paul propaganda. I would go so far as to say that Fox News gave Ron Paul a little boost with this video manipulation. In other words, it was done for his benefit, to incite his followers, because hardly anyone besides the Paulites will ever even notice it, or care at all about it. Therefore, it is very plainly directed at them, for them to latch onto. It also shows that the media is not above doing it for any other subject.
Search for “aftermath” in the comments.
if you sit down with a chess player, it is important to gague how many moves your opponent can think ahead.. does the establishment fear ron paul? no.. no they dont.. this is all hegelian drama playing out.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fox-news-creates-fraudulent-video-discredit-ron-paul
Of course this person is immediately washed over by the flood of sniping controlled opposition commentary from meme-absorbing useful idiots and a variety of masonic and governmental agents. Hegelian chess masters? You bet they are, while the general public are little more than average checkers players, if that.
A Master Mason is a man who has attained the third degree of Masonry and is a member of a “Blue” Lodge,ie, Masonic Lodge,usually in the state of the United States where he joined. The masonic lodges in a given state are under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge Of——-. Each respective state Grand Lodge is indepedent of any,and all other, state Masonic Grand Lodges,York Rite,Scottish Rite, et al!During my sixty years as a Mason,my Blue Lodge in NY has never,by any means of communication, cited ,or advocated,anything whatsoever,racial,political,religious,or otherwise, against any other human being. Some Master Masons move on to memberships in other Masonic entities with other intents,som with “higher degrees”,some join as “knife and forkers” to gain social and/or business benefits,and others for whatever other reasons. To fault all Masons is to fault all citizens.
Clyde,
1. Who were those “treasonous officers” by name please, or is that classified?
2. Who were those Knights of Malta, by name please, or is that also classified?
3. You admit that Knighthood of Malta (of the Anglo Protestant side) is bestowed only by Queen Elizabeth II. Question is, since when has the receiving of Knighthood or other titles of nobility, from any King, Queen or foreign state been constitutional for officers of the US government?
I believe Ron Paul is genuine, therefore he will never get anywhere within government,
I just saw a card that Ron Paul sent to a lady named Charlotte who wanted to know about the rumors that he was Mason. The note on the card read: “Dear Charlotte, I am not and never have been a Freemason. Carol is doing well. Thank you for your support, Ron Paul.” So now go pound sand you freaks who want to spread false rumors about Dr. Paul and find something a little more productive to do with your pathetic lives.
Todd, nobody ever accused Dr. Paul of being a Freemason. What was purported is that his father was, and that his wife and daughter are in organizations that stem from Freemasonry. Maybe you should try reading before you comment. It comes as no surprise that Dr. Paul did not address that, and that it was not even asked. The sole purpose of this supposed card is to reinforce the big lie. Stop being a henchman.
And that Big Lie is bigger than even many truthers dare to admit…
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whats scared me is I was a rainbow girl once I had noooo idea back when I was a teenager scary OMG…..
you can cut to the chase and just say these simple things….
the william volker fund and the rockefeller foundation funded the austrian school of economics. these are the same foundations who funded the united nations, world bank, and imf. bilderberger peter thiel donates heavily to ron paul. ron paul partnered with a pnac board member, lewis lehrman, to promote a return to the gold standard, the same monetary system which caused the great depression. the austrian school of economics is a fraud. they are very wrong about monetary policy and the land question, which all the classical liberals and many great men throughout history and around the world understood, including the holy bible.
it is obvious ron paul works for the international banking cartel and the big corporations to promote the deregulation of banking, the privatization of anything and everything, and his promotion of the old world order fraud known as the gold standard rather than the much better greenback solution of money issued debt-free by the government to pay off the national debt while reducing reserve ratios of commercial banks. he doesn’t stray from this. that is why he is on television.
lesser known is that george soros and peter thiel donates and steers activities of the libertarian party. the church of scientology is also heavily involved in the promotion of ron paul with the funding of grass roots activists. it is suspected that george soros funnels a lot of money through the church of scientology for that purpose. a lot of these activists are located in austin, including texans for accountable government, psychetruth, the ladies of liberty alliance, and a few other large mouth pieces for promoting the william volker fund and rockefeller foundation anarcho-capitalism.
a side note is the land question which ron paul ignores and which people like debra medina partners with top neocon economist arthur laffer to promote the untaxing of land and the conspiracy runs deep there. all the classical liberals and even people like einstein and milton friedman agree land taxes are the best tax. henry george was american’s best-selling economist and he taught this principle. he has since been erased from history. college professors write books on the topic how people like mises, marx, and keynes have completely ignored the universal truths about land.
Freemasonry is satanism-it is about technology-satanists have technology-they have zero magical ability. The so called magical rituals they do is only for destroying the souls of those in the rituals-killing babies and much much worse. What they get for getting people to destroy their souls-and the entire monetary system of inequity and war are also satanic rituals-(a person has to destroy their own soul) is technology. They have advanced technology beyond what you can even imagine-the end game-the agenda is to have all the people left alive on earth-soulless-turned into robot slaves via technology-part computer-machine and with pig DNA. This will happen with the chip-the mark of the beast. Satanism is all about regression backwards into beasts. The jews are fallen angels-they have no soul-no ability to love-so they can’t evolve forward-they can only degenerate backwards into more demonic entities. They do everything they can to prevent people with souls from evolving forward into more angelic creatures-the more evolved one is=the greater it’s ability to love-loving beings angels and God can do magic-they use the power of love-to do it-they don’t need technology-love is the power to evolve-to make everything better. Technology only destroys life-soon all machines will stop working-all technology will be a thing of the past and all freemasons/satanists/atheists will be removed from earth forever. All people in power-police-soldiers they are all freemason/satanists.
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he is definitely controlled opposition. hes just another actor for the masses to become attached to and support.
he is on your T.V. acting like hes going to save you and your country.
T.V. = MIND CONTROL
I commented on this article maybe about a year or two ago, and it’s amazing how far I’ve advanced in my understanding of how the world works since I made that last post. The key to this entire “New World Order” (which means nothing more than a new order for a new AGE, the age of Aquarius) is in understanding the RELIGION of those who wish to bring about this Order.
If one wishes to understand the New World Order, one must read about gnosticism, Aleister Crowley and black magic, astrology, the New Age Movement, the Kaballah, etc. The proof is right in front of our faces that leaders of business, politics, and popular culture all follow some variant of the ancient pagan religions.
The so called truth movement gurus will rarely touch on the above mentioned subjects. They focus almost primarily on the temporal, political, and economic aspects of the New World Order but ignore the religious and spiritual aspects of it. Why? Because the so-called truth gurus are in fact initiates of this ancient mystery religion, Ron Paul notwithstanding.
Initiates of the so-called ancient mysteries (which includes Freemasonry and many other occult societies) are sworn not to ever reveal any of the esoteric secrets that are entrusted to them. Being that your favorite truth guru is in all likelihood an initiate, he will focus only on the EXOTERIC aspect of this New World Order, because that’s all that he is permitted to discuss.
I probably still have much to learn about what is going on, but I would like to thank the original poster of this thread. You’ve helped me along in my journey.
Mike,
You only arrived at your understanding by having a sincere and open attitude toward truth. That is what I would call informed independent thought. Congrats.
In the end, truly free thought among individuals will always arrive at similar objective conclusions. This is really the thing that the Illuminati (and their brainwashed pod-people) hate the most.
As you say, the “so called truth movement gurus will rarely touch on the above mentioned subjects” which is what I touch upon constantly trying to hammer home who really controls govt, religion, music, the military, banks, etc. It is the occult theocracy in which Freemasonry plays a central role.
PJ
If hes a 33• degree free mason… That is thr highest… There is no degree higher than 33• !
ol i can say now readin this is, DAMN !
If RP is controlled oposition, its beyond me what the game plan is. he’s raising attention to a myriad of issues and tactics used by the current corrupt power holders and literally creating a revolution with pissed off politically active and aware citizens against a controlled society. He is creating an anti-control ideology based following. He doesn’t talk about tools and means and ends, but core values completely antithetical to purported aims of one world government, and once adopted by an individual, very very difficult to change.. Using it as a ruse cannot and will not be effective.Why haven’t we entertained the very real possibility that the freemasons are not one cohesive group with one set goal?
Nothing much to add to that.. except that as doctor at a hospital he could well be KoM (hospitaller) since that is who founded and still run hospitals. That would be the Knights of Malta of the York Rite FM (or Templar e.g. Red Cross).
Amish,
RP certainly has no aversion to Rome or SMOM.
We also have Len Horowitz as a Knight of Malta…again this signifying controlled opposition. Let no one forget that the means to control opposition is to be at the helm of it…even to preemptively start oppositions so that they are automatically in the Illuminati’s (I use the term in its broadest sense as “those who are illumined, initiated, in the know) hands from the start…but I would enjoin people to keep going deeper and farther back into history: study Francis Bacon and understand what America, The New World, really was raised up to be…study the occult society connections of all the leaders and “revolutionaries” in all the Americas…and so on….it is simply the truth…
syndrum,
Hopefully you are just confused. See the back of the One Dollar Federal Reserve Note to know who is in charge and their COHESIVE and ancient plan for a New Order…if you are involved in Freemasonry and honestly believe it is simply a charitable association devoted to “making good men better” then you have been assimilated in to the Borg… best get the hell out of it, if you can…your leaders are wicked men. The established order is evil and COHESIVE. It’s roots go back to ancient times based on bloodlines, mystery religions, “noble” orders and secret brotherhoods among the elite of all ages. Playing around with Ron Paul and auditing the Fed is a huge diversion and will never solve the issue of the Occult Theocracy’s NWO. That is the real problem but nobody wants to face it, much less stop selling their souls to it bit by bit. They prefer the Big Lie sprinkled with sweet little lies….
pjwalker,
I’m no mason, but I’ve been researching masonry and its esoteric & occult teachings for nearly a decade now. I am very familiar with their teachings, methods for control, and the varying theories on their ancient plans for world domination. But I’ll admit when it comes to Ron Paul, yes I am confused.
I’m hoping you can enlighten me, because I see too many contradictions in the values he espouses vs. the aims of the ‘evil and cohesive’ NWO masons.
As I tried to point out above, I can’t reconcile Ron Paul’s core values with the NWO agenda. He is not just pointing the finger at the Fed (the tools and means), but enlightening a generation to critical political thought, promoting values of economic freedom, benefits of limited government, non-interventionism, and an isolationist foreign policy based backing away from the UN (a return to core values). He is getting people to question the current paradigm of party lines, and bringing to light mainstream media’s bias and propaganda. I don’t see how the political awakening he is causing – the awakening of values vs. the promotion of tools of control – if we want to jump to conclusions, can be turned into blind trust in his supporters to accept a compromise on his principals once he gets into power. But maybe I’m just missing something…
In your view, how would the change he is bringing about in the publics thought paradigm, service the end goal of world domination?
I think Ron Paul is our best chance and getting the truth.
David,
How is Ron Paul on 9/11 truth? In your highly educated opinion…
I am not “highly educated” and I was thinking more about the deliberate destruction of our economy than 9/11. But concerning 9/11 I think Dr. Paul pretty much knows that coming straight out and saying “9/11 was an inside job” is a campaign killer and will never get him elected, whether he believes it or not.
I also said “best chance” as no other candidate is going to be anything other than another big governemnt, establishment candidate. Rick Perry, Barrack Obama, Mitt Romney… there isn’t much difference between the three.
If getting the United States government to tell you the truth about 9/11 is your number one issue than I doubt you’ll find any legitimate candidate worthy of your vote for at least another decade or two. Too many Americans just aren’t ready to deal with that issue.
If you want a presidential candidate to have a shot of winning on a 9/11 truth platform then you’ll have to wait until enough American’s are willing to support that platform and we aren’t even close. How many decades has it taken just to get two candidates who poll over 10% talking about the Fed?
Over 90% of Americans probably haven’t even watched a 9/11 truth video yet and most would probably still care more about who is going to win Dancing with the Stars even if they did. That’s the reality of today’s electorate.
And how much will it even matter if any of the USD’s worst case scenarios play out?
So you can vote for a guy (or girl) who maybe won’t investigate 9/11, but will do his best to fight for personal liberty, for sound money, for ending American imperialism, won’t circumvent congress with world government imposed regulations and (hopefully) will expose/investigate/prosecute the people who destroyed our economy (Ron Paul) or you can vote for someone who definitely won’t investigate 9/11, will extend the Patriot Act and will continue America’s never ending militarism (anyone else)
Maybe Ron Paul will investigate 9/11 and just can’t run on the issue. He’s the only candidate you will go on Alex Jones’ show – so obviously he is aware. Again.. this is why I say “best chance.” Even if the chance is as low as 1%, it’s still infinitely greater than anyone else.
That is my highly uneducated opinion.
I somehow stumbled upon this site……I’m a Ron Paul supporter myself. This is really interesting and i’m going to try and do some research myself on this masonry connection. I just want to know the truth like most others and want this country to move in the right direction. Ron Paul seems like our only hope.
I am a Ron Paul supporter, and I dont see any direct evidence that Ron Paul is a freemason. Also, there is no evidence in his voting record, or elsewhere. This seems to be rather a random collection of conclusions drawn to support a weak argument.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080420061149/http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46310#comment-435551
On April 19th, 2008 arizona steve says:
You obviously are yet another victim of disinformation. Remember this, Rockefeller, Rothchild and Schiff families have always made it a point to control both sides of society, particularly the far left and the far right. This way they always control the outcome. They only bet on a sure thing. You have basically eaten four pounds of disinformation. Your comments on this page are laughable. I strongly recommend that you begin all over and this time do the thinking for yourself.
You absolutely have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Freemason and it is obvious that you have fallen to CFR disinformation and it sounds like you are in need of professional help.
It is my friend, just the opposite of what you say. The CFR, the Buildebergers, Rothechilds, Schiffs and their number one Representative David Rockefeller see’s the Freemasons as the biggest threat that they have in the World and would love to close down all of the Masonic Lodges immediately.
Let me save you from the embarrassment:
The roots of the Freemasons go back not to 1717 London, England as some would want you to believe but to the beginning of recorded history. The were skilled craftsmen and had a particular ability to construct large complicated structures. During the times of slave labor all of the various Empires wanted to make special agreements with this “Free-mason” trade union group that was known by many names. These agreements allowed them to be consider “Free-men”, to be free to believe in which ever God that they wish, to be free of taxation, free to set their own hours, free to bring their families with them, free to cross borders, free from attack and they were greatly compensated for their work if they agreed to construct the various buildings, churches, roads, castles, forts, war machines, coliseums and other. All of the great armies hired a portion of them to follow along as protected craftsmen to construct bridges, dams, buildings and war machines. This one and only trade union encompassed a number of those craftsmen that had special skills working particularly with stone, metal and wood. The main reason that it was secretive was because of their many trade secrets that they wanted to protect, such as what was refer to then and now as “sacred geometry” and the invention of cement. You must realize that over 90% of the Worlds population was totally uneducated. Even today, builders have know idea how they were able to build a number of these special structures. These secrets were held by this trade union knowing that if they were given to the general population they might very well loss much of their hard fought freedom. So they guarded these secrets with their lives. It is said by a number of historians that evidence now is beginning to show that the carpenter Jesus and his carpenter Father Joseph were very possibly both members of this same trade union. Obvious, it makes since because they were always in demand and made excellent wages. Which by the way, was the very first known trade union in the World. Many of these same historians point to the fact that the story about Jesus dying at the age of 33 years is really about him dying to the person he was to be reborn or crossing over to become a new, more enlightened person or member of this group is straight out of the ancient 33 degree Masonic rituals that came directly from the ancient mystery schools of Egypt. Historians now seem to think that most all of the great wonders of the Ancient World now appear to have been built by this same Freemason trade union but under a different name. Through all of this history one needs to realize that in every country of the World the Church and the State were always one in the same. So therefore, no one was really free except for the Freemasons who maintained this special authority and freedom to allow every member to believe in whatever God they wished and to not be bothered by the state. Then one day they brought this radical concept to a new land far away in hopes that some day it’s government would continue the same separation of church and state principle that they had enjoyed for so long and that this land would be known as America, land of the free. And, then their French Masonic Bretheran constructed and gave to America a symbol of this long fought freedom, the Statue of Liberty.
The ranks of Masonry have been filled with many famous individuals, in addition to a large portion of the founding Fathers and many Presidents, such as: John Wayne, Bob Hope, John Paul Jones, General Douglas Mc Arthur, John Hancock, Davy Crockett, William “Wild Bill” Cody, Sam Houston, Paul Harvey, Barry Goldwater, Sr., W.C. Fields, Oliver Hardy, Red Skelton, Bart Starr, Arnold Palmer, Walt Disney, Clark Gable, General Doolittle, George M Cohan, Francis Scott Key, Charles Lindberg, Henry Ford, Eddie Arnold, Louis Armstrong, Gene Autry, Admiral Byrd, Mozart, Audie Murphy, President Andy Jackson, George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, James Bowie, Colonel William Travis, Roy Rogers, Ben Franklin, Gen Hap Arnold, Stephen Austin, Irving Berlin, Glenn Miller, Gen. Omar Bradley, just to name a few.
The question you need to ask yourself is what have I done to make this country a better place to live in? We know what these Freemasons and other ones did for our country.
I’ve just spent a good portion of my afternoon reading through the above comments. While I might entertain some skepticism re: RP’s potential masonry connections, I have some thoughts/questions:
1) Just because RP spoke kindly about the Pope (years ago now), doesn’t mean he’s sold his soul. I took RP’s speeches as sounding boards to celebrate/honor the views/advocacy of another peace-loving non-interventionist. RP didn’t celebrate the Pope’s affection of the UN, etc…;
2) Speaking to / attending mason events doesn’t indict him. Absent any hard proof to the contrary, I would give RP the benefit of the doubt that he is trying to reach the broadest audience possible. Perhaps, because of the fact that his own relatives were once masons (and free of any horrific/sinister accusations), he has a comfort level –and is secure enough in his principles– in associating with them without becoming one of them.
1) I think the gold standard accusations are intellectually dishonest. We don’t hear him say “Return to the ‘Gold Standard'” per say, we hear him advocate for “Sound Money.” Money that is back by something of value (i.e. gold, silver, metals, raw materials, …something real).
So, absent any real evidence that he’s in some occult-like secret society, I will give him the benefit of the doubt (while keeping an eye open at all times that maybe he’s a good faker). Everything about RP appears to based upon solid principles… his “fruit” is not rotten. He has fought the good fight consistently for years, with little help or support from any significant crowds. Now that he has the stage, I don’t mind taking a closer look into his past/motives…. but I’m just not seeing any actions by HIM (I could care less about others he’s associated with… Jesus hung out with Judas) that raise my eyebrows very high.
The one thing that does begin to raise my eyebrow is the attention he gets at FOX Business. The Judge (who I admire) is allowed to fawn over Paul non stop –on a major Fox affiliate. THAT seems odd to me. But for the most part, RP is far and away the best candidate/choice that we have in a realistic position to become POTUS.
Also, while I consider myself a truther, I don’t fault RP in any way for not taking up the 9-11 inside job cross. He’s already taken crap for merely discussing that our foreign policy has invited such attacks. The media would crucify him the moment he took up the 9-11 cause. Even if elected, I’m not convinced that a sold-out congress wouldn’t try to impeach him if he tried to address that issue. His wisdom in picking his many other battles is well served.
“Your hatefilled retoric regarding a benevolent, Biblically based organization”
Freemasons are worshiping Lucifer.
Well I am stunned that people still think and believe in the left and right. The Democrats and Republicans. There is not one person that is running for president that is your average run of the mill citizen out to protect the American People. They are all controlled by the Zionist agenda. They are either affiliated or connected or a part of some type of secret occult society. They control the opposition. IF Ron Paul was really a maverick he would not have been put in the position in the first place. They want you to think you have options and that there is a real voting government and the word government comes from Latin meaning Controlling of the mind. This is all Psy Ops. The presidents are not elected they are selected. Your vote means nothing. If it did then you would not have the Electoral college aka selection committee that is controlled by the elite aka Illuminati aka Freemasons. Some will not take this seriously and that is ok. When one thinks they are free in this society they are the true slaves. I Have known that Ron Paul was a Mason from day 1. There is no event or happening or war or anything else that is not controlled and planned through their occult numerology and moon and sun rituals and their symbols that have double meanings. They will tell you one thing and do the complete opposite. The duality. The black and white checkerboard of GNosis and Ignorant. They do not believe the Ignorant or the non initiated have the right to live. If your are not Illuminated through their sick and twisted game then you have no rights and need to be removed from the mass chess game that is being played with the planet. Be in the World not of the World. Question and research everything. We have a nasty habit to vote for people that we do not know and have no idea what their true background and moral ethics originate. Please remember you wouldn’t let someone in your home under this pretense why would you allow someone to run YOUR COUNTRY under this Pretense. The United States of America not THE UNITED STATES. There is a huge difference between the two. THE US vs THE USA. We are a republic where the people run the country not a democracy aka Socialist regime where bueracRATS run the country. Get to know the Constitution again! No where is the word Democracy in the Constitution.
“he praises the Vatican which most of the Founding Fathers abhored ”
Most if not all of the founding fathers were Masons, so I don’t see your point here.
Holy crap Bob! Freemsaonry may have been a benevolent trade organization spawned from the building of great churches and cathedrals but it has morphed into an international political cult.
Illuminated Freemasonry was founded by the Jesuit Adam Weishaupt in Bavaria at Ingolstadt University as the order was having problems at the time, being expelled from distant lands and suppressed by a Papal Bull for political intrigue among other things.
Just look at the picture at the top of the thread again Bob. That is your man orating some crap for his masters at a very powerful JESUIT university. Jesuits have ONE goal on this earth and Ron Paul is a tool.
Masonicly inspired does not mean Draconian New Word order MOLECH WORSHIPING Cabal member! Remember, people have tortured, raped and murdered in the name of Jesus, Mohammad and other religions. Just because some nut job, rich Illuminati gang members are ‘inspired’ by free masonry does not mean that some of the ideals of free masonry are ‘bad’. I object to secret societies, secret proceedings and especially when it comes to government; but I do understand that the Free Mason system was set up in a time where knowledge was more or less punishable by death or torture by the church. Times have changed. Mason’s are a fun boys club now at its healthiest levels! Die hard nutcases at the top of their secret society pyramid club are taking it too seriously. At the highest peak you are tested to see if entrance into their megalomaniac gang is allowed. It is the fanatics, Masonic or otherwise that we need to be mindful of. Mr Paul is not a fanatic.
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Very revealing and brave article.
Our own article questions the image of Ron Paul in a time when most of the self-proclaimed ‘counter-globalist’ websites are hyping his campaign with messianic zeal not unlike that which surrounded Obama in 2008
Is Ron Paul actually serving the elite ?
http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.com/2011/12/is-ron-paul-actually-serving-elite.html
HE IS THE CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. ANYONE THAT KNOWS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS A CORPORATION AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERPETUAL UNION SHOULD WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT HE AND OTHERS ARE A PART OF A BIGGER CONTROLLED GROUP OF PEOPLE. THE ELECTIONS ARE NOT AN ELECTION THEY ARE A SELECTION. 90 PERCENT OF ALL PRESIDENTS ARE MASONS. The beginning of masonry was much different then it was infiltrated by the ancestor of the ROTHSCHILD and as well as ALBERT PIKE. They are a militia of enlightenment aka forced enlightenment agenda to get the SHEEPLE as they call us or the profane to see their GOD. WHO are their GODS? Look no further then the Statue of Liberty. http://tinyurl.com/6svcech
That is there Goddess. Her name is not Lady Liberty. You can look up their names of the god and goddess they come in many forms. No one become president just by chance and especially if you are trying to make positive changes for the so called AMERICAN PEOPLE. We the people was designed for and by the Masons. Not the Perpetual Union of the UNited States. As that document was being written those same Forefathers aka Masons were killing and pushing Native Americans off their Land and has Slaves. HMMMMMMMM does that sound like all men created equal.
Democrats and Republicans are on the same team. They just have a different way of reaching their goal. I hope this clears up many things and you can research what I wrote it will and can be verified. Delaware is the capital of incorporation’s due to their tax and other laws that help Corporate America.
America was settled WAY before the fake discovery of Christopher Columbus ever hit this land. You can research that along with the Virigina Company and we still have ties to Briton we never did get freedom from that country. Also Look up the THREE CITY STATES. Washington DC, THE VATICAN, LONDON CITY. They are countries within a country with uncontrolled and unchecked powers.
http://tinyurl.com/7tsxrn6
OOHHH SCARY!! Who cares if he is a Freemason? All you critics are uninformed sheeple tagging along on the coat tails of conspiracy theory fanatacists. Freemasonry is not a cult or secret society. Our saying is ASK12BE1 or Ask one to be one. We strive to teach morals and make “Good Men Better”. George Washington and Ben Franklin were Masons! Do your own personal research. Don’t rely on Google, Forums, Conspiracy Sites, and You Tube. Go find out for yourself.
Respectfully yours,
MJ
Well the joy of being an American is that we all have a perception of the truth. Which makes it our truth and not actually factual to others. Enjoy the ignorance of bliss.
GOD bless
Am I suppost to be surprised?
Again alleged freedom allows you to be whatever you like. My Grandfather was far beyond the blue lodge of initiates. Before he died in 1983 he revealed many things to me. I lived with my grandparents. Grandmother Eastern Star and Grand Father Mason. You can believe and be surprised by whatever you want. I only speak from personal experience. I only know what I have heard first hand from my Grandfather. Take it or leave it. I makes not a bit of difference to me. I really owe you nothing.
Thank you for your time and reading my response. I am not on here to convince or sway. You have to come to your own conclusion. I respect whatever you have come up with but, that is all I can do with your opinion. Since there are so many out there it would take to much time and energy to try to keep up with yours.
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I appreciate your Article Chosen. This is not new to me but, I have forwarded this information to my many contacts. Also, I do not vote for selection on the Federal Level either. What is the Point?
Presidential elections are, and probably always have been, a rigged political bread and circus for the masses to believe that their vote somehow counts. Anyone who thinks otherwise (as to the Federal level at least) is delusional. Oh but the followers of Ron Paul insist the opposite is true.
Though Limbaugh is a loathsome slimeball, he may have let the cat out of the bag with this:
Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul is a ‘conservative killer’
“Everybody is urging everybody else to get out of this except for Ron Paul. They want Ron Paul to keep pounding away at Santorum and Newt. They want Ron Paul to continue to get big numbers and take away any high second- or third-place finishes from Santorum or Gingrich or Perry or anybody else. The powers that be realize the monkey wrench that Ron Paul represents. Ron Paul is a conservative killer. Ron Paul kills the conservative vote, and the Romney camp wants him in there.”
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/rush-romney-admits-hes-just-like-obama/
Absolutely Agree! He will help Obama Get re-selected as the powers that be do not want to have to start all over and make changes when they are so close to coming to their goal. NO ONE and I mean no one gets to be where they are in the political environment if they are not being controlled.
There are no Underdogs in this political fallacy that we call ELECTION.
As I have said before most if not all the recent presidents and many of our past dictators were masons. They are puppets and do not make real decisions. Like the media they are hand-fed scripted information and play their part like the Corrupt Celebrities that are reeling in young people into their garbage which some say is music.
The planet is one big stage and everyone that is in the limelight is playing their role while the puppet-masters pull their strings and make them talk like a chatty Cathy doll.
If Ron Paul doesn’t do what is expected then Blow HARD TRUMP! Complete controlled monkey will step in as an independent and split the vote for OBAMA to give the illusion of winning.
Yes, it is basically a Masonic Matrix system that we are all born into (like fish into water that we never question), yet the vast extent of Masonic power and manipulation through every field of human endeavor is never even slightly mentioned in either the media or the history textbooks, a glaring black void of information, that is occasionally spun by cutesy articles about how they aren’t a secret society, but a “society with secrets” (sound better?), “making good men better” and so on. Then anyone who points these facts out is pounced upon with insults and his true statements are buried in an avalanche of BS, disinformation, misdirection and outright lies.
So in that understanding, why would anyone who is truly informed think that a guy who is very tight with the masons (his wife is Eastern Star, enjoys majority support of masons, but only as a good neutralizer/side-show etc) think for a moment that he is going to ride into town and get rid of the bad guys?
I am sorry to inform the ignorant that we simply need an entirely different way of doing things, and the only way is for the truth to come out and the spell be broken. Then break away from the centralized dictatorship entirely. That is the only way out of the Matrix which feeds it’s power with centralization, standardization and defends it’s position with military might and scientific engineering.
I say this as one of the fish that sprouted legs and took a walk in the fresh air.
IT is refreshing to have someone that really understands what is going on and gets the implications if people do not wake up now. Some of course are awake but, want to berate and keep you down.
Like you said slander and put you down for not following the Draconian plan of one mind, one world, one way of thinking into eternal nonsense and communism.
I am not down with any of that and I have known for many years and just now people are starting to realize that I am not nor was I crazy or a liar or Government hating anarchist.
There is no Government to speak of in this situation. The UNITED STATES in Incorporated and is a FOREIGN CORPORATION which only by Federal Grants and some other contracts has anything to do with the PERPETUAL UNION.
Never will you or do you see anything about America on the Presidential Seal or any other Government Documentation. The United States of America is always referred to as THE UNITED STATES all Caps.
You have contracted into them without even being told which is fraud similar to the IRS>
A lot lot of this system we now see is thanks to Freemason Cecil Rhodes:
British administrator, financier and philanthropist. In his will he left £6,000,000 to public service and endowed 170 Oxford scholarships. A charter member of Bulawayo Lodge No. 2566, Rhodesia in 1895, he gave the site on which the lodge built a temple.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/rhodes_c/rhodes_c.html
While attending Oriel College, Rhodes became a Freemason in the Apollo University Lodge. Although initially he did not approve of the organisation, he continued to be a Freemason until his death in 1902. The failures of the Freemasons, in his mind, later caused him to envisage his own secret society with the goal of bringing the entire world under British rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Rhodes
At the present day I become a member of the Masonic order I see the wealth and power they possess…
The Fabians, the Round Table, and the Rhodes Scholars
The Rhodes-Milner group continues the Illuminati program
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FinalWarning&C=5.1
THE RHODES ~ MILNER ROUND TABLE
It is characteristic of those who take power by conquest rather than honest means, to seek first to contain and control their opposition. Wordworth called it, “The simple plan, That they should take who have the power, And they should keep who can.” Lest Americans begin to suspect the infiltration and gradual takeover of their government by the subculture of international Freemasonry, another enemy was created. The Union Jack identifies their technique of diverting suspicion from British Communism, courtesy of the Freemasons, by leading a crusade against Soviet Communism — which, having served its purpose, is now defunct
http://watch.pair.com/roundtable.html
Cecil Rhodes And His Knights Of The Round Table
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_roundtable.htm
The upper levels of secret societies like the Freemasons, Knights of Malta, etc., connect into this Round Table
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_roundtable_5.htm
That includes their close associates like Ron Paul!
IT served it well indeed. They the Freemasons among many other associated groups that one would call the Illuminati have become masters of Deception. Including allowing Hitler to escape to South American and the Russian Royals never were assassinated their were hidden so the their money could be invested into centralized banks and other nefarious ventures by high powered families. Although these families are not the true power. You would look to Italy for those families. The UNHOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and the BLACK NOBILITY. Then the ones that control those powers are not really of this realm. The MATRIX as you say has been very well planned and put together for many centuries.
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u guys are are not really getting it.
u really think ron is bad becaue he spoke in front of some masonic symbols and stuff like that? u are really paranoid
and even if ron paul were a mason i would support him. because he is not evil, he will never sell out!
very sad to see this
OK, all I can say is that unless your a mason you do not speak at a mason hall. Its rare that you would be sponsored to speak at mason hall of that caliber unless again your are a Mason. I can see if he was speaking at a Blue Lodge but, that is not a Blue Lodge. In any case I don’t care I don’t vote. No matter who is in office it will be the same shit. So VOTE for him and lets see what he will do if he wins. GOOD LUCK.
Controlled Opposition
Many people question whether Alex Jones is a fake and whether Ron Paul is a Freemason. While there is no concrete proof, there has been allegations and correlations about who they associate with and where they are from.
Alex Jones has a Jewish wife and works for a Jewish Broadcasting system and got Jeff Rense fired because of some Jewish comment about Alex’s life. Also, William Cooper, author of “Behold a Pale Horse” stated that Alex Jones was a fraud before he was killed. In addition, his lawyer, Elizabeth Schurig, is the same super lawyer who works for Holly Lev, daughter of Edgar Bronfman Sr., the former chairman and owner of the Seagram’s Company and she practically owns Treetops Acquisition Group LP which is basically the Fed Reserve System – Israel Discount Bank Ltd., Tel Aviv, Israel. Now a guy who starts his own broadcasting business in the U.S. is damn near impossible unless you know the right people and Elizabeth Schurig and Ted Anderson are the “right” people to do it with. And he keeps this information blacked out from the public in most, if not all cases. For such a patriotic guy, why is he hiding that? Also, if he is against the Fed Reserve, why is he working with a lawyer and people who promote the Fed Reserve?Furthermore, for a startup business guy, he sure knows alot of contacts around the country and the world to come onto his show, while other radio show hosts can’t unless they know someone. Especially, for someone who dropped out of Austin Community College. However, even though Alex Jones may seem suspicious in all of this, there is still no real proof as of yet.
Ron Paul has a father who was a FreeMason and married his mother who is from one of the groups that the FreeMason group wants them to marry. Then they have children and have Ron Paul. Ron Paul swears he is not nor has ever been a FreeMason, although he is with and supports the John Birch Society which is affiliated with the Freemasons. However, he states that he has nothing against the Freemason society. While he may or may not be a Freemason, we must also realize that some Freemasons were not that bad. As in George Washington who was also a Freemason and fought for our rights and Constitution and was the first president of the U.S. So there is this strange, alternate side, whether good or bad, to the Freemasons. Ron Paul’s adviser was also said to have attended a Bilderberg meeting which NO ONE enters unless invited AND for a reason in the global elite’s game. Ron Paul also refuses to state or believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Yet, he believes a global government, military industrial complex and mainstream media is running our country and the world into the ground. He believes in the Constitution and Freedom and to abolish the TSA, DHS, against the wars and all things Unconstitutional which is a good sign for humanity. He has had a near perfect political record with the exception of some racists letters that he supposively did not authorize even though they were in his name. He is not well-liked by the globalists and the corporate media or Israel which is also a very good sign. He is constantly being ignored in the press as well. He also wants to get rid of the Fed Reserve but if he is a Freemason, then why is he against it? In addition to that, he is for a gold back currency or an alternate currency. While that sounds good, it also can sound like, dare I say it, a “New World” currency in such a way. NOW, that being all said, I want to state my feelings on this whole NEW WORLD ORDER agenda and what I think they will do to bring in the NWO currency. We must ask ourselves, if these two people are revealing so much and disrupting the NWO and globalists plans and not getting a bullet in their heads as JFK and William Cooper and many others had done, it is extremely suspicious and bizarre. The only plausible reason that can be for them both to still be alive even to this day is two words, “CONTROLLED OPPOSITION”.
Whether Alex Jones or Ron Paul are in on this Globalist/NWO scheme and the timing sure has been well-framed over the past decade just as they are starting to do all of this. And it helps the people to feel that they have some form of comfort knowing that there are people out there, real or fraud, that are on their patriotic side. BUT WHY NOW? Well, let’s think about it. If the NWO wanted to change a currency and make a one world currency, knowing that the majority of the people would have a hard time going for it, they need to “USE” a platform by which they can find, monitor or gather all of the patriots in one area and use the mask of the media to create an “infowars”. Like two political media parties but both are controlled by the same global elite, whether directly or indirectly. Alex Jones provides that platform and contacts and connections to those people. Now whether Alex Jones is in on it or not, or whether the Globalists are covertly “using” him as a way of keeping their enemies close, we don’t know. But there are two outcomes that I see that could possibly happen with this theory. One is a slightly positive brainwashing propaganda effect while the other is a more negative propaganda effect. Either way, both effects could be used to bring about the NWO currency whether we agree to it or not. In addition, the globalists know that Ron Paul is the underdog and seen as another “saviour” for America and that by taking him out, it would only further provide proof that conspiracy theorists were right. If he is covertly with the Freemasons, if he happens to become president, he can still be useful to them as he probably won’t have that much power once he gets into office and will be seen as a weak president like Obama. If he loses, they have Romney, Gingrich or Obama who are clearly working for the globalists anyways. So they win. But they need to have this “controlled opposition”.
So, let’s start with the negative effect outcome, that I stated earlier, first.
Alex Jones’ platform has a way of getting all the patriots together and monitor their moves in order to decide when to intiate a plan or not. Like Chess. When the globalists want to establish the full threat of martial law and devalue the US currency out of existence, the people won’t like it. Also, they know that the people won’t go well with it. So they use political candidates, like Santorum and Gingrich, to sort of follow Ron Paul’s ideas, but still hate Ron Paul or pretend to hate him. So if the currency is gone, there will be civil unrest and people will be looking for a “Revolution” or order out of chaos and will make Ron Paul as a saviour. They know this and they know people will fight for this if it comes down to it. In the end, if we win, Ron Paul becomes president and issues a NWO currency or Gold back currency for everyone to follow, thus making their plan effective, whether he is working with them or against them. It still establish a New World Currency, maybe the one the globalist had planned all along or something similar. Either way, they win. And Alex, whether he is with them or not, will be seen as a patriot in the history books.
HOWEVER, we can look at it from a positive brainwashing propaganda side. We all know that the globalists want to install a New World Currency, but we will never allow them to do it knowingly. But if they can do it unknowingly, like they do with everything else, we would be blind to see it happening until it was too late. If Ron Paul happened to win and is president, it will probably be too late to stop the country from defaulting. In which case, they can use his ideas of switching to an alternate currency (or the currency they had in place to begin with) and the people who praise Ron Paul will do whatever he says because they will still believe in him like Obama at one time. So Ron Paul establishes this “alternate” New World currency and the people, being blind, will go along with it because they know that he is the most honest politician they have ever known and is FOR the people at that time. Then, of course, the Fed Reserve will be abolished and in its place is a NWO currency. All gift wrapped and put in place. Slowly over time, the corrupt people in power will begin to subside and the media and everyone will slowly grow to except Ron Paul and this will start over again in their brainwashing fashion as though 2012 wasn’t the “End of the World” but an “Enlightening Period” as other Mayans put it.
Remember, as Sun Tzu puts it in the “Art of War”, “ALL warfare is based on deception.” The globalists are declaring a war on the economy and will wait until election time comes before they attack Iran. The Iran scenerio is just a distraction for their agenda. The election is also being used to play out one of the two scenerios that I have discussed and the Fed Reserve (1913-2013, 100 years) will be no more after 2012. Either way, knowingly or unknowingly, they will usher in a New World Currency. It just may not be the currency we are thinking of. It might even be a chip implanted in your hand to hold credit and health, mark of the beast kinda thing and therefore no need for credit cards or money. Just scan your hand for identity and money. India is already doing this with their immense population. The U.S. may be next.
My conclusion is that, whether Alex Jones and Ron Paul are frauds or not, is not the issue. The issue is that they are being used, knowingly or not, to control the opposition so that the NWO can usher in their New World Currency and control. We must be cautious and like Confucius, decide which cards are real and which cards are false flag cards to be tossed away. Deception and tyranny is everywhere. We must not give up nor give in and we must fight and we must spread the word to everyone everywhere to keep an open mind and to use their best moral judgment. Only then can we regain peace, prosperity and freedom to our country and a government that is once again FOR the people and BY the people.
Every soldier of the U.S. military and military from other countries abroad has a duty and responsibility to read and act upon the following quotes:
“16. The consummate leader cultivates the moral law, and strictly adheres to method and discipline; thus it is in his power to control success.”
(Tactical Disposition, The Art of War by Sun Tzu)
“There is a very strong temptation….for government forces to act outside the law, the excuses being that the processes of law are too cumbersome, that the normal safeguards in the law for the individual are not designed for an insurgency and that a terrorist deserves to be treated as an outlaw anyway. Not only is this morally wrong, but, over a period, it will create more practical difficulties for a government than it solves. A GOVERNMENT WHICH DOES NOT ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW FORFEITS THE RIGHT TO BE CALLED A GOVERNMENT AND CANNOT EXPECT ITS PEOPLE TO OBEY THE LAW. Functioning in accordance with the law is a very small price to pay in return for the advantage of being the government.”
(Sir Robert Grainger Ker Thompson, Defeating Communist Insurgency: Experiences from Malaya and Vietnam, 1966).
Our U.S. government and governments in Europe need to be RESTORED! There is no government or MORAL RULE OF LAW now, thanks to Obama and the Globalists banks, global elites and global corporations. We must fight everyday to restore and keep peace in not just America, but the entire world as well, without being the kind of world police that we are now, but by letting everyone establish their own proper moral guidelines and respecting those morals, in a broad sense and consensus, while still maintaining their sovereignty as nations. It is an extremely difficult thing to do and an almost impossible feat, but only then can peace and freedom truly be established.
Well so vote for him. If he wins then the masses will know one way or the other if he the right candidate. Everyone thought Obama was going to change the WORLD and he did its up to you to decide whether it was for the good.
I have no more to say on this subject.
1) Free masons are (and have always been) just a vehicle for the Rothschilds (or Khazars, whatever you like to call them) plans.
2) The Rothchild bunch have a history orchestrating events themselves, but also using non-orchestrated events to their advantage. In other words, even if Ron Paul would serve their goals, this still does not proof his concencial collaboration. With regards to the ‘Ron Paul revolution’ the French revolution shows some striking parallels.
3) The proof that anyone (politician or not) is sincere and awake to the facts, will be when he or she prosecutes the purpetrators for instigating wars, suffering and rigging the financial system.
By Henry Makow, who is himself a Jew…
Ron Paul’s Masonic Jewish Economics
http://www.henrymakow.com/austrian_economics_is_masonicjewish_e.html
“There’s nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency.”
– Ron Paul, Congressional Record, March 13, 2001
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ALAN WATT HAS BEEN FOUND TO E A LIAR AND FEEMASON SO ANYTHING HE SAYS CANT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, HE SAYS JESUS DID NOT EXIST DESPITE HISTORICAL RECORDS FROM PEOPLE IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND JEWISH HISTORIANS ETC. THROWS PEOPLE OFF HIS RADIO SHOW WHEN THEY ASK HIM TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF ANY OF HIS THEORIES. USING HIM AT THE END DISCREDITS THIS BLOG IN ITSELF. IF RON PAUL IS ELECTED, IT WILL BE ONLY BECAUSE THE POWERS AT B KNOW HE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT WHATS HAPPENING AKA WW3 WHICH WILL BE HORRIFIC AND TH E FINANCIAL CRASH WHICH WILL END THE US EMPIRE ABROAD ANYWAY.
Satan has been allowed by Christ to rule the world for a while 100 YEARS, i dont know if this is true but WE MUST BE SUSPICIOUS OF ALL POLITICIANS ETC.
When I first heard of Ron Paul I have to admit that I was not convinced (and usually my first impressions turn out to be the most accurate). I do not believe in Politics, nor in politicians. None becomes one without being backed, supported and promoted by the power itself (not convinced? … well then, you try to run for a seat and you’ll see what happens). And if we all agree (and I hope everyone does at this point..) that power corrupts men and it is always corrupted, then he couldn’t have been any different. I then followed him on the web, listened to his speeches and discourses, and well, I can openly say that he sounded and still sounds like a very decent being. Too good to be true? Maybe. But then again there is no absolute truth. It’s all a matter of perspectives. When I read this article I confess I was pretty upset. Not with the writer though but with myself. I trust people too much (as we all do, do we?). If the allegation of him being a member of the Freemasonry is true then, I have no doubt he is not the person I thought he’d be. A person that openly condemns the fact that there is too much secrecy within government’s bodies and their activities, and not enough privacy for the majority of the citizens, who then turns out to be a member of a secret society (although freemasons blatantly say to be open to anyone and promote themselves as working for the good of everyone on the planet..what?.. I have had personal experiences that prove the contrary), is not worth a penny to me.
So, are we here witnessing the umpteenth attempt to playing with our minds, lives and believes? Time will tell. For now let’s stop and think.
Yes. All I ask an honest person to do is look at the facts I lay here and in the 2012 Election archives. Just the fact that Ron Paul’s Billionaire is a Bilderberg Transhumanist funding genetics and surveillance should make a rational person take pause and go, WTF?
Just don’t be a fanatic follower of anyone, especially one who looks too good to be true, because he probably doesn’t match your image of him.
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It is a sad read, yes he probably fooled so many of us. It could make anyone angry to know after such work. But no matter what R Paul is, he did me a service, every bit worth it. I woke up and not just a little, I had a complete and lasting transformation. The years of trying and working, the getting into to the deep nasty of Politics and then eye witnessing the evils inside. The lies tricks and the rule changes the bully tactics and sweet deals made behind the scenes by GOP. The Mafioso manner, proved to me that it was a lie, a lie, a illusion. After 2008, I had some time to think and to realize how crazy it was, then 2012 was another witnessing and it was worse than 08.
Now during all this I have learned much. But more than anything I learned it is all pretend creating illusions of choice to keep the sheep believing and entertained, distracted. All of politics is puppetry and circus, and played for gain as each player steps on the stage, as well the entire system is a charade.
All for one thing, power greed and NWO. So thank you R Paul, rather your Freemason secrets be such evil or not, does not matter. The experience was all a good lessons for me. R Paul I do not need your political BS again and I need no more beatings from GOP bully politics, I no longer have to vote, help by giving money to support a candidate got to local GOP meeting or state, no more finding clever words to promote with, because I am no longer your fool or stooge. In fact I am no ones anymore.
Because I know now how it is played. I am free as I choose to be, because the only choice I ever had was God. So I have all I need and I am at peace with the past, no more illusions. I have eyes and ears to see. I no longer trust or look to man to fix things or save us all and I do not fear. God has revealed his truths to me. This is a blessing.
Wow… My opinion is that some of you should really just spend time outside. Fresh air is good for the mind.
I’m going to give a disclaimer so that you can immedietly ignore everything I say. I’m a 32nd degree scottish rite mason.
I’m only going to post basic facts that you yourself put in your post.
Ron Pauls father was a mason (I don’t know this, but let’s work off that point). If that were the case, wouldn’t it make sense to respect an organisation that your father belonged to? If his wife is/ was a member of the eastern star, it is immedietly explained because if you go to their main website, and look under membership requirements, having a mason father in law is enough. As far as his daughters being rainbow girls, there is no masonic-relative requirement to join, and it’s natural they would get involved if RP’s wife was eastern star…. I swear, next you guys will tell me that the Boy Scouts are a mason-created NWO hitler youth…. I’m a libertarian, I’ll go further and say I’m an anarcho-capitalist. I’m a born- again Christian, although I’m not really for organized religion. And every Monday at my lodge, the prayer is in Jesus’s name. As a matter of fact, if you go to MANY grand lodge websites, or find their constitutions/edicts, you’ll see that nowhere (that I know of) prohibits it.